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CD Sales Continue To Plummet, Vinyl Records Soar

Lucas123 writes "Over the past four years, vinyl record sales have been soaring, jumping almost 300% from 858,000 in 2006 to 2.5 million in 2009, and sales this year are on track to reach new peaks, according to Nielsen Entertainment. Meanwhile, as digital music sales are also continuing a steady rise, CD sales have been on a fast downward slope over the same period of time. In the first half of this year alone, CD album sales were down about 18% over the same period last year. David Bakula, senior vice president of analytics at Nielsen Entertainment, said it's not just audiophiles expanding their collections that is driving vinyl record sales but a whole new generation of young music aficionados who are digging the album art, liner notes and other features that records bring to the table. 'The trend sure does seem sustainable. And the record industry is really doing a lot of cool things to not only make the format come alive but to make it more exciting for consumers,' Bakula said."

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  1. I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by echucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nice lossy format to prevent clean ripping, too.

    1. Re:I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Informative

      I get 15 results...

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    2. Re:I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ever hear a needle scratching a blank track on a record? All that racket you're hearing is noise, i.e., signal you don't want. That noise level is present on every track on the record as well. The music covers it up.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_recording_vs._digital_recording
      Note that the theoretical quality max based on quantization noise achievable by a standard CD is almost 30db better than a vinyl record. Full quality is not, of course, necessarily achieved in practice, but anyone telling you a record stores a perfect signal--or even a better signal than a CD--is way off.

    3. Re:I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Well, until the stylus starts wearing down and the grooves start smoothing out...

      Uh, there ARE laser turn tables ...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable

    4. Re:I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, until the stylus starts wearing down and the grooves start smoothing out...

      An extreme example of that was the all-mechanical antique Victrola that my parents had when I was a kid (along with a big stack of 78-rpm shellac records). All the sound energy was created by the action of the grooves on the needle.

      The tone arm was a hollow horn with a big diaphragm on it, and it probably put more than 100 grams of force on the record. The steel needles it used only lasted for about a dozen plays before they became visibly worn and had to be tossed. The mechanical force from playing a record often caused a bunch of white residue to slough off the surface of the disk, which couldn't have been very good for the longevity of the recording. Needless to say, we didn't operate that thing very often.

    5. Re:I bet "The Industry" loves it.... by sunspot42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      At around $250 you can get a stylus that will go up to 50kHz.

      Which is completely useless, as there isn't the slightest bit of evidence humans can hear ultrasonics. Even if they could, most speakers can't reproduce them (and certainly not with any accuracy), assuming they weren't deliberately filtered out somewhere during the recording and mastering process, as they almost certainly would have been. Any ultrasonic signal loud enough to even potentially be audible could cause all sorts of problems with a host of electronic circuits, tape decks and other devices in the recording / mixing / mastering loop.

      Not to mention the fact most of the ultrasonics picked up by any stylus are probably harmonics and noise - all of it pure distortion - much of it caused by the needle ringing like a little bell as it's struck by the walls of the groove. Or they're harmonics and distortion and noise coming from the microphones, preamps, mixing decks, tape decks, equalizers, compressors or the mastering equipment itself. In other words, a bunch of power-robbing crap that only serves to distort the signal below 20kHz that actually is audible to humans.

      There are no cases where vinyl "sounds better" due to any properties of the format. The vinyl master may have been better equalized or better compressed, but the format itself is pure unadulterated junk, and has been for 50 years. Vinyl was obsolete by the 1960's, and should have and probably would have been replaced by something better if the American electronics firms of the time weren't being run by halfwits and incompetents. I've always been surprised RCA didn't attempt to roll out their capacitance disk as an audio format first before trying to deploy it as a video format, but it was stuck in development hell for well over a decade and I suppose it's a miracle it ever made it to market at all with that bunch of clowns running the place.

      The Dutch and Japanese finally got around to doing something about it by the late 1970's. Well, somebody had to. Vinyl sucks.

  2. I can see why this is popular by mlawrence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Smell is the sense that is tied to memory the strongest. I remember the smells of those records as much as I remember the sounds and the artwork. :)

    1. Re:I can see why this is popular by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nice observation. This is the kind of stuff that the dry analytics and reductionism of geeks/businessmen/economists sometimes miss. There are psychological aspects of value that can be very hard to quantify and run contrary to practical utility.

      In fact, I think one of the things that have lead to the decline in value of music overall is its ready availability and the immense practicality of the players. You don't have to take time out of your day to listen. You don't have to spend time thinking about music, choosing what to listen to. You aren't bound to stay in one place while you listen. You can stick your headphones in and hit "shuffle", and you're done.

      People don't value things that come easily.

  3. Disco record sales by dbolger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976? If these trends continues... Aaay!

  4. Missing from the summary... by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Informative

    CD sales are still roughly 100 times vinyl album sales; 110 million units for the first half of 2010.

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    1. Re:Missing from the summary... by carlzum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't be such a downer. My 401k dropped from $100,000 to $1, but now it's up to $5. I have to assume it will continue to grow at a 500% rate, so I'm going to retire a millionaire and vinyl will be the dominant music format again.

  5. Re:All well and good, until... by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why the ":(" ? It's a damn good thing.

    Of course, a properly mastered CD will be helluva better than any vinyl, but thanks to douches involved in the loudness war, all currently sold CDs are of dog shit quality that makes it even worse than pops of vinyl.

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  6. Just further proves it's piracy by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

    This just further proves it's piracy as the cause. Every audiophile knows that vinyl records are far higher quality than CDs. Pirates can only make inferior digital recordings of vinyl, so they don't bother. Thus, they are forced to buy the vinyl records. Since we see many-fold increase in vinyl sales, we have a glimpse of what CD sales would be like without piracy. So, vinyl is literally a natural DRM that both protects the artists and ensures superior sound quality. Now, would you like to buy some Monster USB cables? Guaranteed to improve your typing and mouse speed.

  7. Re:All well and good, until... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

    We called it "Dubbing" instead of "making rips|ripping". We wore an onion on our belts while we did this, which was the style at the time.

  8. weird part is my Records seem to last longer by grapeape · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have CD's that i picked up less than 15 years ago that are unplayable, I had heard of laserdisc rot but didnt know it would happen to prerecorded cd's. On the other hand, I have vinyl that belonged to my father that still sounds great. I baby my collection but in a noticeable portion of my collection it seems that simply handling with care didnt matter.

  9. Best of both worlds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I buy the vast majority of my albums on vinyl, even at a 5 or 10 dollar premium mainly because I love having a permanent physical copy, but the switch to almost a vinyl-only collection was when the record companies got wise to offering a digital download with the record. With the alternative usually being to just pirate it online and get the CD later and transcode, selling a vinyl with a digital download solves all my problems and the band usually gets a great deal more with record sales than CD sales. So it's a no brainer really, along with the other swag that goes along with it.

    1. Re:Best of both worlds by Zinner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I buy the vast majority of my albums on vinyl, even at a 5 or 10 dollar premium mainly because I love having a permanent physical copy,

      I punch out my code on cards with an old IBM 026 keypunch because I love having a permanent physical copy...

  10. Re:All well and good, until... by Peach+Rings · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point of buying it on vinyl for great quality and ripping it to digital? You'll certainly get better quality by directly downloading FLACs from the internet. It's astonishing how clueless record companies are. Release lossless audio on data DVDs, or for digital download if you want quality.

    I think the impetus behind vinyl sales is that they're a collector's item. They come in a big envelope with big art instead of a tacky plastic jewel case, and they usually come with inserts or collectibles. Everyone has albums on CD but it commands a lot more cred to say "I have that on vinyl." Some people collect records of great music they already own, and store them (playing vinyl reduces its quality and value).

  11. Re:All well and good, until... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35530

    Second, and this is by all means a serious question, are current vinyl releases any better than current CD releases? Or are they also compressed to avoid complaints about sounding quieter than the CD version?

    Generally the vinyl is not over-compressed. But there are notable exceptions like the recent Metallica album - in that case the vinyl was exactly the same as CD because they were both mixed under the auspices of the same producer - I forget his name, but he's become ever more popular in the business and he brings the loudness war with him to every new project he takes on and this was his first metallica album. What's really interesting about the metallica case is that the guitar hero version was (apparently) mixed by the guitar hero sound engineers and they were not under the control of any of the loudness warriors. The result was that the people who really wanted the best sound quality from that album bootlegged the ripped guitar hero version.

    Here's a video comparing CD mix to guitar hero mix - you don't even need headphones to tell the difference.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I

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  12. Don't compare sound quality of... by astro · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...vinyl records to CDs - compare vinyl vs. digital downloads thru i.e. iTunes. I recently mail-ordered Wilderness Heart by Black mountain (as an aside, GREAT record), which came with an immediate digital download of the record. I couldn't wait for the vinyl to arrive because I expected it to sound superior to the high-bitrate mp3s. It does. It's noticeable even to my far-from-audiophile wife.

    I'm admittedly a fetishist for packaging - double LPs with great gatefold art, colored / clear / marbled vinyl, large-format insert books, all the way to crazy triple and quadruple LPs with all of the above (i.e. Altar, by Boris and Sunn O))) ).

    If I can help it I buy nothing but vinyl now. And yes, I do have a USB turntable so (admittedly quite a bit more labor than with a CD) I can make properly tagged copies for listening to on my iPhone.

  13. the law and grandad by poptones · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The law" couldnt even get involved then! Apparently you weren't around back in the late 70's and early 80's when radio stations across the country were thumbing their noses at the RIAA by hosting "album parties." Always late in the evening, they would proudly boast they were playing so-and-so album "in its entirety" and would even tell listeners to "get your tape decks ready." We'd get side one without interruption, a brief interlude for the dj to switch sides (and for us to do the same) then we'd get side two.

    One-to-many. This is exactly what the radio stations were doing. And guess what? The law could not stop them.

  14. Re:multi-track please by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. Mixing a song is a professional art, and wanting to take out of part of it is like taking out one parts of speech from a novel, or removing one color from a painting.

    Yeah, I'm sure Moby got straight A's at Juilliard.

    You there, creating art without a license, halt, I say!

  15. Re:The reason is? by skine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a response from Virgil Dickerson of Suburban Home Records and the Vinyl Collective to a Wired article written a few years ago about the "recent rise in vinyl sales." I think it covers fairly well why records are making a resurgence, while downplaying the hype surrounding it (it seems "vinyl comeback!" is a great rainy day article).

    Have fun reading.

    Wired recently published a piece called, “Vinyl May Be Final Nail in CD’s Coffin”. It is an interesting look at Vinyl’s recent rise in popularity which has become a hot topic amongst various publications. Since this piece ran on Monday, I have had at least a dozen links to the story forwarded to me. I would like to offer my own thoughts on the post.

    I run a vinyl-only online store and vinyl imprint called Vinyl Collective. I started this in August of 2006 when I had a strong feeling that a focused vinyl site and community might receive a favorable response. I had been releasing vinyl through my label, Suburban Home, since the very beginning and as a music fan, I have long loved the format. I have released vinyl for bands like Every Time I Die, Minus the Bear, Fear Before the March of Flames, Portugal the Man, Drag the River, Tim Barry, and I have upcoming records coming out from Sparta, the Playing Favorites, Minus the Bear, Every Time I Die, Norma Jean, Poison the Well, Portugal the Man, and more.
    As I type this on the final day of October, I can attest to the fact that Vinyl’s momentum is on the rise. Our sales for the month doubled what we did in September and September was previously our best month. We have been so busy that we have decided to hire a part-timer to help out with orders, a decision we were very careful in making as we recently downsized our operations in May of this year due to our declining revenue from CD sales.

    As much as I can back up Wired’s claim in a rise in vinyl sales, it is in no way the final nail in CD’s coffin. I offer the following data with a release we licensed for vinyl, Minus the Bear’s “Planet of Ice”. As of last week, the album has soundscanned 31,000 copies (digital and CD sales combined); we have sold nearly 3,000 copies of the double LP version of the album. I expect this album to soundscan around 100,000 copies by this time next year and IF we continue to repress the album on vinyl, it might be possible that we could do 10,000 copies on wax. I might also add that when speaking of Soundscan (they were quoted in the Wired piece as saying, “Our numbers, at least, don’t really point to a resurgence,”), they have no idea what they are talking about. I mentioned selling nearly 3,000 copies of “Planet of Ice” and you know how many were registered through Soundscan? Zero! I made the decision not to put a barcode on the record and have made no attempts to sell it to chain stores. Chain stores don’t know what to do with vinyl and I would rather indie stores make money off of my products. Nearly all of the records have been sold through the Vinyl Collective website or through mom and pop retailers, many of which don’t even report to Soundscan. Soundscan is an antiquated gauge of sales and only scratches the surface with regards to vinyl sales. Labels like No Idea, Fat Wreck, Death Wish, Bridge 9, Asbestos, and so many more sell a bulk of their vinyl pressings directly to customers and not one of them report those sales to soundscan.

    I would like to offer my opinion on why I think vinyl sales are on the rise. In this absolutely fucked up, fast paced world we live in, there is something therapeutic about physically picking up a needle, placing it on Side A of a record, and sitting back enjoying the music that comes out of your speakers. CDs and digital has made music disposable and of little to no value and in most cases, it has become background noise for our crazy lives. With vinyl, you have something real, something tangible, something with beautiful artwork, something that soun

  16. Argh by SnowDog74 · · Score: 5, Funny

    God damned hipsters.

  17. Probably not by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Infrasonics a digital format can handle much better. Digital can go straight down to DC if you want it to. Most of the time you high pass the signal for various reasons (so you don't record things like A/C vibrations and such) but digital can handle it. Movies sometimes have infrasonics, bass down to the 10Hz region. I can generate sinewaves that are 0.01Hz for a CD if you like. Records can't handle that. Lows are a big weak point because of how they work. You aren't going to get a solid 20Hz signal like you do out of CD or DVD.

    Ultrasonics, well, not so much. First off, instruments really don't produce much up there. I've looked at spectra plots of high frequency recordings, there is just not much up there other than noise. You can see a chart that gives you a good idea of the range of instruments (http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm).

    Then you have to prove that we can perceive it. I've never seen any valid study that shows it.

  18. Re:All well and good, until... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Generally the vinyl is not over-compressed.

    It certainly was back in the record era, at least for pop or rock records from the 60's-70's on, with rare exceptions. It almost had to be to sound recognizable on AM radio or in cars (since the radio stations all played the records). Only in the mid-late 70s were there many pop or rock records that were mixed for FM or home listening on quality equipment. Early 70's pop records were horrifically compressed, easily as bad as your average Britney Spears crap. Even back as far as the "Wall of Sound" where the dynamics were intentionally compressed "up front" is an example.

            I would also note that most full-dynamic-range records *can't be played* on anything less that pretty expensive cartridges on perfectly-adjusted equipment. I have one Sheffield direct-to-disk "Harry James" records that I could only reliably track after extensive adjustments to the tracking force and cartridge moment of inertia and tonearm mass. Almost anything I tried, and any conventional inexpensive cart ($50) is sends the tonearm off the record 1/8". If for nothing else, it would play much better in the majority of cases if there *was* some compression applied. It HAS to be.

          I have been a high-fidelity guy (not an audiophool "cable consumer") for the past 40 years. CDs and digital music has been such a tremendous advance. Compression is hardly a new idea and absurdly compressed range was common for as long as records have existed. Vinyl is no solution, it's the engineering, no matter what the delivery medium.

              Brett

  19. Re:All well and good, until... by Mr.+DOS · · Score: 4, Informative

    The majority of USB turntables come with a lousy needle that produces a signal that negates all the benefits of vinyl and can even damage your record. Also, cheaply built turntables as most USB turntables are can produce vibrations in the turntable surface that disturbs playback, preventing a clean rip even with a good needle and again, possibly damaging the record. If you really want to rip vinyl properly, you probably want a belt-driven turntable made of as little plastic as possible, about as expensive a needle/cartridge as you can find, a decent phono preamp, and a good analog capture device (a M-Audio Audiophile 192 is excellent; an ASUS Xonar DX2 would be fine; a Creative X-Fi would be minimum).

  20. Re:All well and good, until... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually there is a DAMNED GOOD reason to rip your vinyl to MP3, as I can attest to because I helped an old friend with a great 60s-70s collection do it. You see, those vinyl records? Not affected by the loudness war because they can't take that "compressed all to shit, pushed to the edge of overdrive" sound because the medium simply won't accept it. You listen to an MP3 at 320k of Axis:Bold As Love, or Pieces of Eight from the original vinyl? TOTALLY different sound than what you get from today's CDs, and IMHO 1000% better. People look at me funny when I play my vinyl ripped MP3s, that is until I play them the same song from a CD, then they can see the suck the loudness war has wrought.

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  21. Re:All well and good, until... by NJRoadfan · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with USB turntables are the crap preamps. My own transfer setup is an old Technics SL-1300 direct drive with a high end "linear contact" Audio Technica AT331LP stylus (sadly since discontinued). Recording was done with a Soundblaster AWE64 Gold and later a Soundblaster Live! The quality was pretty good for a soundcard (noise was basically undetectable). The best digitizing solution is likely something USB as its away from the RF interference typical in computer cases.

    Post processing (de-noise and de-click) is done with software called Diamond Cut ( http://www.diamondcut.com/ ). Its propose built audio restoration software, not a bunch of plug-ins for some random sound editing program. Highly recommended and comes with an excellent user's manual (covers all kinds of audio restoration techniques).

  22. Re:All well and good, until... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the impetus behind vinyl sales is that they're a collector's item.

    There's your key bit of information right there. They are collectors items often produced by enthusiasts. Record companies these days don't view vinyl as a killer medium to out-do the competition, so they don't push stupid unrealistic expectations on the people who master the stuff, which may I add also usually needs to be mastered separately. You often end up with a case where the digital releases are dynamically compressed to all buggery. I mean what's the point of having 96dB of dynamic range if you only ever use the top 5 and then horrendously clip the peaks in an attempt to make the records sound loud?

    Take for instance this quote from wikipedia's entry of Stadium Arcadium by the Red Hot Chili Peppers: "A problem often pointed out by audiophiles is Vlado Meller's mastering for the CD release. It can be regarded as a product of the loudness war, with heavy use of dynamic range compression, and suffering of frequent clipping.[14] In contrast, Steve Hoffman's mastering for the vinyl release was praised for its quality."

    The quality inherent in vinyl is about attitude of the producers.

  23. Re:All well and good, until... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if the turntable were fitted with a decent cartridge, needle and tone arm, there's no way that USB can be made into a good connection

    Uh, what? USB means that the ADC is outside the computer, which means that you get less possibility of EM noise from the electronics in the case interfering with the analogue signal. Once it's digital, USB 1 gives 11Mb/s for transferring it to the computer, which is just under ten times the data rate of an audio CD. A USB connection has more enough bandwidth to transfer audio from vinyl.

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  24. Re:All well and good, until... by Zobeid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The loudness war didn't start cranking up until about 1990, so most CDs pressed before then don't suffer from it. (This is why so many "digital remaster" CD releases sound crummy compared with the earlier CD release!) Those early CDs often sound better than the LP version.

    The CD format is really fantastic when it's used properly and not abused. It was billed as a technological wonder when it was introduced, and it mostly lived up to the billing. The only things I would change are the fragile little jewel boxes and setting some kind of mastering standard to reverse sonic havoc wreaked by the Loudness War.

  25. Re:All well and good, until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, records were not mastered as hard in the 60's and 70's and 80's.
    They did not have the kind of signal processing we have now. There were no fast look ahead multiband peak limiters like TC finaliser, Waves L3 etc. These are the things that give the hyper loud square waved sound that is so offensive on some CDs. Use of multiband compression was also rare, starting only really in the 80's. They would have mostly used full band compressors/limiters, and the kind of peak limiting you get by driving the master tape a little, but that is a world away from a modern CD master.
    It is also physically impossible to cut records with the squared off peaks you get from abusing the digital process. What you hear when you play those CDs back is the sound of the reconstruction filter trying to turn 'impossible' waveforms into a voltage. If you try this with vinyl then the coils in the cutting head melt as they try to slam from one side to another in zero amount of time. If I have to cut a record from a slammed digital master than I have to *reduce* the level to allow for overshoot, and filter the high end to remove the out of band stuff caused by the clipping causing aliasing in the D/As, and you end up with a *quieter* record than a gentler mastering process would have resulted in. This results in a shitty sounding record.
    But really, it's only from 1998ish onwards that anyone has tried to cut records with the same kind of mastering you would do on a 'loud' CD. Even now, it's generally only done when people were mixing with the look ahead peak limiter on their master bus, so it's the only final version, and it is not possible, or there is no budget to get a proper master done.