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Segway UK Boss Dies After Driving Off Cliff

necro81 writes "Jimi Heselden, the British multi-millionaire defense contractor and philanthropist, who bought the Segway company last December from inventor Dean Kamen, died yesterday after an accident while riding one of the machines. While using a ruggedized X2 version of the two-wheeled balancing scooter at his estate in North Yorkshire, he apparently drove over the edge of a precipice and into the River Wharfe. He was found later by a passerby and declared dead on the scene."

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  1. The Poor Guy! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    He was last seen at the plant arguing with one of the engineers who had assured him the latest Segway was "uncrashable." He rode off muttering something about having the last laugh. Clearly he was a business and marketing genius but a bit of a lemming in day-to-day life.

    But in all seriousness, I'm very sorry for him and his family. If I didn't constantly encounter the damned things on sidewalks and in pedestrian spaces on the National Mall in DC I wouldn't be so quick to lampoon their maker's untimely demise.

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    1. Re:The Poor Guy! by Pojut · · Score: 5, Informative

      Note that the inventor of the Segway is Dean Kamen. This article is about Jim Heselden, the guy that bought the Segway company.

    2. Re:The Poor Guy! by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      I initially didn't care much -- they call him a "defence contractor". But it seems he made his money from selling crates of earth to use in actual defences, rather than the rest of the "defence contractors" who make guns and bombs, and should really be called "offence contractors".

    3. Re:The Poor Guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It seems slashdotters have also stopped reading the summaries. Perhaps we need some kind of chapta system to check if posters have at least read that!

    4. Re:The Poor Guy! by mspohr · · Score: 5, Informative
      There is some more information on the Telegraph web site: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/8027896/Millionaire-Segway-owner-dies-in-freak-accident.html

      It appears that he was a miner who received a redundancy payment and used it to start a business making wire cages that were filled with earth to stabilize canal banks. The military found these useful for building blast walls in Iraq and bought a bunch of them. I'm sure he did well as a military contractor but that was not his business.

      Sad for the family.

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    5. Re:The Poor Guy! by sharkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...a bit of a lemming in day-to-day life.

      So foul play is suspected and Disney filmmakers are implicated?

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    6. Re:The Poor Guy! by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bystanders were alerted to his demise by the sound of "Yakety Sax" playing loudly as he approached the abyss.

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    7. Re:The Poor Guy! by edittard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is paraphrasing the first sentence of the article (while attempting to contradict something that GP didn't actually say) modded informative?

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    8. Re:The Poor Guy! by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 4, Funny

      It seems slashdotters have also stopped reading the summaries. Perhaps we need some kind of chapta system to check if posters have at least read that!

      Please, anybody who won't even read a three sentence summary certainly won't read a whole chapta.

    9. Re:The Poor Guy! by drfishy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't help but think about my Roomba's "cliff sensors" to keep it from falling down the stairs - tough to incorporate into a transportation device I guess, especially an off-road one but still...

    10. Re:The Poor Guy! by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have some experience with these barriers- Every American base in Iraq uses thousands of them for building fortification.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion

      You'd usually find a ring of them around a building, two deep, with an additional course laid on top of that. They are, as the wiki article mentions, "one of the less heralded life- and labor-saving devices of war" (among other uses).

      I felt pretty safe having them around.

      -b

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    11. Re:The Poor Guy! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why is paraphrasing the first sentence of the article (while attempting to contradict something that GP didn't actually say) modded informative?

      Here's how it works: most articles have 3-4 actual interesting facts in them. They get extracted and modded up so we don't have to read the article. That saves about 50,000 nerd-hours per day.

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    12. Re:The Poor Guy! by daveime · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you'd taken the time to even read eldavojohn's post, you will not see the word INVENTOR anywhere.

      He said "maker", which as the owner of the company that NOW manufactures them, is TRUE.

      You assumed he'd said "inventor", called him out on it, then made yourself look stupid by posting anonymously to justify your mistake when you yourself were called on it.

      Congrats on that, good job.

  2. Man. by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...what a way to go out. Fitting, but jeebus...

    1. Re:Man. by fatphil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Double coincidence - "Jimi was chairman of Hesco Bastion Ltd, the world leading manufacturer of protective barriers"

      Hmmm, he didn't sell enough, clearly.

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  3. Before anyone says it: by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

    (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

    Thanks in advance.

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    1. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please look up the definition of irony before posting anything with that particular word in it.

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Ironically, you probably meant Alanis Morissette.

    2. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The word they shall all be looking for, is apropos.

    3. Re:Before anyone says it: by tom17 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not in itself. But if he was seriously trying to be ironic by doing so, then the fact that it was not ironic and in a post requesting correct usage of irony, was itself ironic.

    4. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it's important to uphold the principals, and not set a bad president.

    5. Re:Before anyone says it: by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hi. This is ironic and certainly contrary to what was expected. I don't see how you can claim otherwise.

      I buy the rights to a product. I intend to manufacture it and have it make me wealthy. Instead it kills me. This is irony.

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    6. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irony is subjective. Almost anything can be considered ironic or not based on a point of view.

      English is not a programming language.

    7. Re:Before anyone says it: by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you imagine watching him post in slow-motion in a stage production, then the part where he started typing "Shery..." was a scene with dramatic irony, because the audience knew he was about to complete a tragic error, whereas the character himself was unaware.

    8. Re:Before anyone says it: by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny
      Must ... not ... correct. Know it ... was ... intentional, must NOT ...

      Where's the duc[tk] tape? My head's gonna blow.

    9. Re:Before anyone says it: by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many different definitions of irony, and many people have a pet definition that they think is the 'right' one. Hell, even the oft made fun of Alanis Morissette song has at least a few scenarios that fall under one of the definitions or another. An outcome of events contrary to what was, expected; there is an irony to winning the lottery (and being set for life) and then dying a day later. There's also the definition: as if in mockery of the fitness or rightness of things. A death row pardon two minutes after the execution? Yes, I'd say that's a mockery of the way things should be. Now, a lot of the other scenarios in the song are most definitely not ironic, but there are a few that are.

    10. Re:Before anyone says it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's marginal at best. If he'd bought the Segway company to save his life, or to safely be able to navigate near to cliffs, then I'd say it's definitely irony, but just because his actions inadvertently lead to his death doesn't make it ironic.

    11. Re:Before anyone says it: by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Funny

      Irony is subjective. Almost anything can be considered ironic or not based on a point of view.

      English is not a programming language.

      Yes it is. ENGLISH

      Is that ironic?

    12. Re:Before anyone says it: by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alanis Morissette was, ironically, an English major who does know what "ironic" means and has stated that the only actually ironic thing about that song was its title. Ironically, that is.
      With spin like that she would have made a good communications major.

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    13. Re:Before anyone says it: by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slashdot: the one place you can, at any time, discuss the meaning of irony and not be modded off-topic.

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    14. Re:Before anyone says it: by mea37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      God, everyone's so busy wanting to limit the definition of irony.

      NO. Irony does not require that the result be contrary (much less directly opposite) to the stated intentions of the person whose actions led to the result. It does not require that it be contrary to any specific individual's intentions or expectations.

      The definition is that it is contrary to what you might expect, and like it or not that's subjective. Most of us wouldn't expect the owner of a company that makes a given product to be sufficiently ill equipped to use that product safely that it ends up killing him or her.

    15. Re:Before anyone says it: by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (This especially includes all Sheryl Crow fans)

      Ironically, you probably meant Alanis Morissette.

      No, penguinisto just really thinks poorly of Sheryl Crow fans. All they wanna do is have some fun, they don't concern themselves with things like the definition of irony.

      To his credit, there are no Alanis Morissette fans really.

    16. Re:Before anyone says it: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To his credit, there are no Alanis Morissette fans really.

      I was dragged to one of her shows a year or two ago by my wife, and she and her band put on a shockingly good and rock-like show, not at all what I would have expected. It was almost like watching a metal band fronted by Alanis Morissette cover the works of Alanis Morissette.

      I'm a little ashamed to say it reminded me a lot of a Metallica concert, back before Metallica started sucking. AM was even headbanging to the guitar solos.

      If that all sounds too surreal to be real, I can only say I would have thought the same thing.

    17. Re:Before anyone says it: by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not ironically, Morissette's explanation jibes completely with how I interpreted the song from the first time I heard it. It seems so obvious to me that I remain amazed at the number of people who missed the joke so completely that they think she made a mistake even after it's explained to them.

  4. must've fallen for the hype by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Funny

    He must have fallen for the pre-launch hype, where the inventor and a variety of major tech figures were claiming that cities would be designed around the things. Maybe he thought it levitated?

    1. Re:must've fallen for the hype by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He must have fallen for the pre-launch hype

      really?

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    2. Re:must've fallen for the hype by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe he thought it levitated?

      It was, until he looked down. Maybe that threw off its gyroscopes or something.

  5. I guess the top secret by ravenscar · · Score: 5, Funny

    amphibious assault Seguay couldn't keep its head above water

  6. inb4 people making jokes of this by Lazareth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My condolences to his friends and relatives.

    1. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by nerdup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe people other people just don't spend a lot of time getting bent out of shape over the death of someone they didn't know and to whom they had no connection. Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" or because you want to show all the other random anonymous slashdotters what a sensitive and caring person you are.

    2. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Love how people can get a laugh out of everything.

      So do I. I hope when I die, people don't decide to have a moratorium on enjoying life. If I die in an amusing way and people don't laugh, I'll come back and haunt them.

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    3. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hell yes. In my book, insincere condolences are far worse than literally dancing on someone's grave. At least you know how they feel.

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    4. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone, somewhere dies every second. Are you going to express your sorrow for everyone or just for those who make the news?

    5. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by __aanonl8035 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (quote) Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" (/quote)

      Perhaps a lot of people are merely working off pre-programmed social norms, like saying "how are you doing?", but speaking only for myself here; as I have grown older and experienced some tragic moments, I genuinely have empathy for others, who have to go through some of the obstacles and misfortunes of life. I also suspect that there are a lot of other human beings who think this way as well.

    6. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Are you going to express your sorrow for everyone or just for those who make the news?"

      Option Two for me. If mass media don't think them important I'm certainly too shallow to care.

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    7. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe people other people just don't spend a lot of time getting bent out of shape over the death of someone they didn't know and to whom they had no connection. Personally I find it just as distasteful to make insincere public expressions of sorrow over something that actually doesn't affect you at all because "it's what you're supposed to do" or because you want to show all the other random anonymous slashdotters what a sensitive and caring person you are.

      Thank you.

    8. Re:inb4 people making jokes of this by jadin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you drive a Segway off a cliff and die.

      (with apologies to Mel Brooks)

  7. That sucks by bigredradio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure there will be a lot of smart-ass comments making fun of this guy. The fact remains that a person lost his life in a tragic accident. Thoughts go out to his family.

    1. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thoughts go out to his family.

      Really? A few dozen people you didn't know died just while you were typing that post. And if you take the time to give thought to those, then even more will have died and you could never keep up.

  8. Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will just be another clump of dirt on the corpse of Segway. It actually sucks in a way. It was invented to try to radically mix up society and how we travel, change the way we travel in cities. Use less gas, get people moving, less space for parking, all that cool stuff. Instead it became a toy for Segway Polo, jokes for Mall Cops, and t tours. Never getting the impact it was intended for..

    1. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by xaxa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bicycles do at least as much as a Segway does for most people, and they're a lot cheaper. The Segway tried to fill a niche that didn't really exist -- it isn't the lack of a small, exposed personal transport machine that keeps people in their cars.

    2. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Segway didn't try to fill a niche, they tried to create one. Just like microwaves, or velcro. They just didn't have a game changing device, or more to the point, it didn't change the game.

    3. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bingo. Remember, the claim was that it would "change the way we design cities". Which was another way of saying: "shit-all use for the cities that we have now".

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    4. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you've ever seen someone "roll up" on a Segway, then you know it's in no way cooler than any other scooter. It's the "instantly make anyone look like a total tool" device.

    5. Re:Alas poor segway, I knew him not so well by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Velcro was designed for its exact purpose. Go ask NASA.

      Or...one could refer to the actual inventor, instead of NASA which was founded almost 20 years AFTER velcro was invented. Nice try though. ;-)

  9. Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Funny

    This has to be the worst way to get free press for your product. But I'll give it to the man... He's dedicated.

    1. Re:Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      This has to be the worst way to get free press for your product. But I'll give it to the man... He's dedicated.

      Correction: deadicated.

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    2. Re:Shameless Marketing Stunt... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Word is they found his body standing up perfectly vertical on the segway as it balanced his corpse on the fly...

  10. unfortunate by slshwtw · · Score: 3, Funny

    He was a real stand-up kind of guy

  11. ATVs are dangerous too by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    simple fact:

    if you combine

    1. off road conditions
    2. high speeds

    you are basically deciding to do a passionate tango with death

    a ruggedized segway? obviously in the same category as an ATV when it comes to "one dead me, please"

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  12. not the usual segway death by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Usually segway riders only die from humiliation.

    And yes, I know I'm going to hell.

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  13. This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by PatPending · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what's the point? Blame (ban?) the Segway?

    And, oh, by the way:

    In the UK, it is illegal to drive a Segway on the road or even on pavements or cycle paths. They can only be used on private property, despite campaigns to let them be used on cycle paths.

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    1. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know, there's nothing worse than having to pay attention when you're driving a vehicle.

  14. Re:Killed by... by Lazareth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the article. It was not the inventor that died, but the owner of the product.

  15. First death? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this the first confirmed death while operating a Segway?

  16. Question by 2names · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is the British equivalent to "Hey, Ya'll, watch this!"

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    1. Re:Question by snspdaarf · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is the British equivalent to "Hey, Ya'll, watch this!"

      "Tally-ho!"

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  17. More info by necro81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    More info about the guy and the accident is available at the Daily Mail

  18. Don't call it a Segway... by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Funny


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  19. The UK should do something about this by slshwtw · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ban gravity.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  21. Re:Not the inventor by Lazareth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you check your facts before you opened up the floodgates of your arse? The guy may have been a defence contractor, but his company made FORTIFICATIONS. Not in the sense of point-defence systems, but in the sense of freaking walls.

  22. Inventor: yes/no. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Personal Transporter's *actual* inventor is this engineer I've bumped into -- I work with his brother. DK was "merely" the person who put money and PR behind it. Dean gets a lot of credit -- but really, *his* biggest invention was the insulin pump.

    1. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Personal Transporter's *actual* inventor is this engineer I've bumped into

      Surely he bumped in to you?

    2. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm I not reading this quite right? Because it sounds like your saying the Segway was a more important invention than the insulin pump. I'll grant more complex, but more important?

      Wait, I get the logic now! Using the Segway increases the demand for the insulin pump! It gets sold to the customer first, so it must be more important!

    3. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

      He said Kamen's biggest invention was the insulin pump.

      I don't see a value judgment there. Just a clarification.

      I also think Segways are bigger than insulin pumps.

      Parse that as you will.

    4. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can we please get a citation for this, because this is the first I've ever heard of it, and as far as I know, is totally inaccurate. The Segway is based on the technology that Dean Kamen developed for the iBOT, which is a really cool wheelchair that can climb stairs, drive over rocks, sand, etc. The Segway was merely a refinement and repackaging of that wheelchair's technology. I suspect this guy you work with is BSing you (or his own brother BSed him and he fell for it).

    5. Re:Inventor: yes/no. by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (*whoosh*)

  23. Re:Not the inventor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    More specifically, he was the chairman of HESCO bastion, a company that makes large cube-shaped wire & cloth baskets you fill with sand. They are used for flood control as well as by the military for defensive walls.

  24. Psst. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just an FYI, the XT and X2 lines have been out for years; *IF* that's what he was riding -- and there truly is no other "off-road" Segway -- then it is what it is... but it ain't new.

  25. Re:Not the inventor by nibbles2004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why don't you fall off a cliff, this guy left school at 15, become a miner , apparently gave millions to charity, provided defensive fortification's for the armed forces, i suspect he did a lot more in his life, to help and protect people than you ever will in your un-important existence. Your lack of respect and humanity says more about you , your values, your upbringing than anything else.

  26. Re:Not the inventor by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So do farmers and prostitutes.

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  27. Re:Not the inventor by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, in that case nobody should be giving haircuts, becoming medical doctors, or growing food either. Surely the bastards won't fight when they're starving with nobody to patch up their friends they accidentally shoot because they've got their hair in their eyes.

  28. Sounds like a Segfault by grahamsaa · · Score: 2, Funny

    worst. crash. ever.

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  29. Re:Certainly Not But Why Phrase It That Way? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you lost your balance (due to vertigo upon seeing the dropoff) near the cliff and leaned forward instead of back, then the segway would have killed you.

    Personally, I think this is going to turn out to be what happened.

    As to who's to blame... the Seqway isn't intuitive. You have to learn the muscle memory and you have to practice coupling it to situational awareness in order to get the machine to go where you want. If you are suddenly in a new situation -- something the randomness of rugged terrain does to you constantly -- it would be easy for your neuromuscular system to make an unexpected adjustment. You might as well be throwing control-system darts. Add vertigo, which is a condition where the neuromuscular system is misinterpreting and misapplying the information available to it, and you could continue to apply the wrong force. I.e., drunken control-system darts.

    He'd have had to have trained under safe conditions (ropes, nets, etc.) in that configuration of ridge, cliff height, and lighting to learn how to use it near the edge of a cliff, and therefore take the Segway out of the blame equation. The rule for the thing should be never to ride it in a more dangerous situation than you've been trained to ride it in.

  30. Actually, it isn't used on air ducts... by postermmxvicom · · Score: 3, Informative
    I know this personally from professionals in the field, but here is a quote:

    To provide lab data about which sealants and tapes last, and which are likely to fail, research was conducted at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Environmental Energy Technologies Division. Their major conclusion was that one should not use duct tape to seal ducts (specialty tapes are available for this purpose). (They defined duct tape as any fabric-based tape with rubber adhesive.) The testing done shows that under challenging but realistic conditions, duct tapes become brittle and may fail.[6] Commonly duct tape carries no safety certifications such as UL or Proposition 65, which means the tape may burn violently, producing toxic smoke; it may cause ingestion and contact toxicity; it can have irregular mechanical strength; and its adhesive may have low life expectancy. Its use in ducts has been prohibited by the state of California[7] and by building codes in most other places in the U.S. However, metalized and aluminum tapes used by professionals are still often called "duck/duct tapes".

    from Wikipedia

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  31. Re:Not the inventor by yyxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whether it's a gun that kills more people or a barrier that allows troops to advance safely to where they can kill more people really amounts to the same thing.