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Oxford Expands Library With 153 Miles of Shelves
Oxford University's Bodleian Library has purchased a huge £26m warehouse to give a proper home to over 6 million books and 1.2 million maps. The Library has been housing the collection in a salt mine, and plans on transferring the manuscripts over the next year. "The BSF will prove a long-awaited solution to the space problem that has long challenged the Bodleian," said its head librarian Dr Sarah Thomas. "We have been running out of space since the 1970s and the situation has become increasingly desperate in the last few years." The 153 miles of new shelf space will only be enough for the next 20 years however because of the library's historic entitlement to a copy of every volume published in the UK.
How many typewritten pages or Libraries of Congresses is that?
How many libraries of Congress does that equal?
"We have been running out of space since the 1970s and the situation has become increasingly desperate in the last few years."
I wish my problems allowed for 40 years of procrastination!
I can't see that thing filling up in 20 years. More and more books are being only released in digital format. In 10 years time, I'd hope that easily half of all books were digital only, and tens years past that I'd hope that nearly all books were digital. They're probably going to need to start investing in some snazzy super redundant storage servers instead.
I don't see why they don't scan them into digital format using pdfs, or text files. Keeping a physical copy of all the books they want to is going to become a very overwhelming task. Not to mention if it was digital, the content could be indexed and searched much faster by more people.
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Sounds like a fairly generous timeframe.
How much of that space is filled with Harry Potter? Do they get a copy of every revision of every version, including the foreign language versions? That has to be several Rain Forests worth, or at least one Library of Congress.
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they sent their poets to the salt mines, ... in the UK we sent their poetry there instead!
I have read some of the modern poets, a salt mine seems like the best destination for much of what they produced ....
They were helped when the LHC testing at CERN caused a subspace distortion rift into the Unseen University's library on Discworld, so there's more space in that wing than is actually there. It's... quantum. It's actually 153 *thousand* miles of shelf space, so lots of room, but it smells like bananas all the time for some reason.
One of the things the British Library is interested in is keeping books, not data. Books are valuable not only for the content but also may be of interest to future generations because of their typography, layout, binding, other aspects of their physical construction. Also it takes a lot more time and money to scan a book rather than putting it on a bookshelf.
Because technology is fleeting, but paper remains (at least for a few hundred years).
:-(
Consider that the best backup tapes from ten years ago are generally unreadable in most organizations. Nevermind things like Bernoulis, ZIP discs, CDs, 8mm tapes -- it all goes in the junkpile. There is simply no permanent technological solution available at any price. We have a hard time today reading the old NASA tapes from Apollo (and we saved some of that equipment!) Imagine what happens in 2110 when someone wants to find something?
Heck, even the "Digital Doomsday book" lasted only 15 years instead of 1000! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/mar/03/research.elearning
And constantly re-scanning everything in existance every 10 years is not an option.
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Dude, get your units right. You can't express miles of shelf space in libraries of congress. The international unit of length is the football field. Not to be confused with the football field as an unit of area.
(Of course, the UK may still stick to their own imperial era units, like the length of a double-decker bus. Or the now largely obsolete cricket pitch.) ;)
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Temp implies "temporary" but they still get paid. Interns are unpaid. Where did you learn English, Cambridge?
And constantly re-scanning everything in existance every 10 years is not an option. :-(
Probablly the best option at the moment is to keep the data live on servers. As servers become unreliable or uneconomical they get replaced with new ones that store more for a given cost and size. Hard drives are now big enough that this form shouldn't be cost prohibitive. If we assume a megabyte per page (which is way more than needed for most documents) and 1000 pages per book then that is still a couple of thousand books on a modern hard drive!
Formats becoming obsolete is a possible concern but pdf, png, jpeg etc have all been with us for over a decade and have multiple implementations in both closed and open source software so I don't see the ability to read them going away any time soon and if support does start to decline it should be a gradual process with plenty of warning to get the data converted.
Heck, even the "Digital Doomsday book" lasted only 15 years instead of 1000! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/mar/03/research.elearning [guardian.co.uk]
That is partly because it was a construction before it's time and as such relied on some pretty specialised equipment. It was also an interactive system which is always more complex to handle than noninteractive stuff in standard formats.
Had it just relied on a BBC micro i'm sure the roms sites would have kept copies and got it running in emulators no problem. The real problem was the special laserdisk player that the system relied on.
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on the now abandoned salt mine.
The archivists finally did manage to decode the Digital Domesday, nine months after your article was written. Still, not every "digital" book is historically significant enough to merit this sort of rescue effort.
because of the library's historic entitlement to a copy of every volume published in the UK.
Is that everything published, even foreign works published in the UK or just things that originated in the U.K.
If so, why does that sound so small?
Because technology is fleeting, but paper remains (at least for a few hundred years) ... We have a hard time today reading the old NASA tapes ... And constantly re-scanning everything in existance every 10 years is not an option.
Paper is vulnerable to fire, water, mold, etc. Newer paper contains acids resulting in far shorter lifespans than "ancient" paper.
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NASA made the mistake of not copying the analog tapes to any digital media. IIRC they even intentionally destroyed some tapes by reusing them.
Scanning is a one time event. Once you have a digital copy it is trivial to copy, backup or move to another media or newer device.
While any particular digital media/device may be temporary in nature the Oxford data would most likely be stored in more than one location. Each location independently backing up the data, independently upgrading storage media periodically,
Salt mines don't burn.
A good scanner would solve all your problems. Digitize everything and recycle the paper. All that paper is useless if no one has access to it. How often do people actually go down into the salt mine to retrieve a book?
Why would you rescan?
Scan and store in multiple open formats archived across multiple redundant servers (each contains multiple redundant discs).
Yeah there are technological dead-ends by staying to general purpose hardware, converting data to current formats periodically (like once every other decade) there is no reason a digital archive can't be readable forever.
There is significant cost to physical storage. Temperature & Humidity control isn't cheap and neither are fire prevention & security systems. In 100 years people will look back at how stupid it was to store things in fragile paper which degrades even under optimal conditions.
I rather hope (and suspect) they've got better fire suppression systems than the Library of Alexandria.
Nevermind the overhead costs of transporting that many items, coordinating the transports, and ensuring that the materials stay in controlled environments the whole time. Also conveniently ignore the facts that librarians have learned a thing or two about preservation in the past two thousand years, and that engineers have produced better fire-control systems, and that there's more to storage than just lots of shelf space.
Ignore the past thousand years of progress, and this is indeed a serious risk. Otherwise, it's no more a risk than any other storage system.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
Oxford Expands Library with 153 miles of shelves, adds 100 janitorial staff and 200 air filtration systems just to dust them off.
Alternatively, 246.229632 kilometers of shelves were added (for those who will only officially recognize the metric system.)
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Because technology is fleeting, but paper remains (at least for a few hundred years).
Indeed, the British Library had it's original copy of the Magna Carta on display last year, that was written in 1215 and was still readable*; admittedly it was velum and not paper but the principle is the same.
*it wasn't understandable, modern english but the individual characters were readable even if I didn't understand it.
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Inevitably an uncontrollable fire will break out and wipe out the entire collection, it's just a matter of time.
They should start donating their collection to other libraries around the world, maybe on a loan basis so that each year or two the books can move around the world and more people can get to read them.
You don't want to end up like the Library of Alexandria, what a loss.
Both the British Library and Cambridge University library have similar collections*, if a fire was to break out the only things that would be truly lost would be rare ancient items unique to the Bodlean which will have already been extensively studied, copied and transcribed - just the one-off item would be lost, and there's not much that can be done about that until we invent replicators.
*Like the Bodlean they also receive copies of every book published.
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Geez folks, Google is your friend. Check out "Digital Preservation, Planets" to find out that all the major libraries ARE digitizing everything they possibly can. They are also qualifying and choosing digital formats that CAN stand the test of time. If the formats change, the Planets committees will adapt and redo the work. This is not just "they should" but "they are." There is nothing special about paper, it's just was was available at the time. Digital is the next logical progressive step in passing knowledge, reporting the news and reading entertainment. The only thing it has against it right now is that it really only about 20 year old technology. Give it another 100 years, and digital storage will be just as accepted as paper ever was. Paper's time has come and gone. "it's the message, not the media, that is important".
The really trouble isn't technology it is level of comfort. Computers can go tits up for reasons that you don't readily understand or comprehend. When a physical book is destroyed there are indicators or a clear reason for it to occur. This makes people feel they have more control and perceived safety in storing the books in hard copy.
That salt mine might be a safer place than a surface building to house such a wonderful trove of books. I would be happier if they made digital copies and brought the copies to the surface for students and the public to use. The fire that wiped out the ancient great library at Alexandria should be instructive to us in this modern era. So much was lost. It must not happen again.
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In the USA an internship is an educational experience. Much as we do not pay students to go to school, we do not pay interns. The intern is allowed a chance to experience the real world application of their area of study. If the intern is expected to contribute meaningfully to the business, then they should be paid, otherwise the company is really doing them a service.
Of course, over the years, business has corrupted the internship into an excuse to get free labor out of someone.
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In Britain we have minimum wage laws as well, which means that interns have to either be paid the mimimum wage or be paid nothing at all. Incidentally, we do have interns in this country. They are sometimes called Work Experience Boys / Girls.
for my wife's and my book collection, which currently takes up space in every room of our house.
It costs a lot of money and a lot of time to digitise a lot of books. That's why.
They are getting 3 miles of books every year. Yup, they can use the mile as their unit of measurement because the numbers are that great. I think it's something like 250,000 books a year. We're in the middle of a recession and huge economic cuts in the UK, the public sector is being asked to make cuts right now rather than expand operations.
There are also copies at the British Library, the National Libraries of Scotland and Wales and the university libraries of Cambridge and Dublin, so if one set is lost, we still have the others.
They must have taken over Warehouse 12.
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Exactly it would be Oxford's choice and I bet I can guess how much they would choose to pay them.
Wanted, lots of mylar bags to make sure it is all preserved in mint condition!!! :-)
Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
If they don't digitize everything, that's sad.
A professor there got me a library card to the Bodleian. It was fascinating to go into the old books room and see books published in the 1600s.
If I remember correctly, it was about 1660 or 1670 when English was close enough to today's English that a modern reader could begin decoding it. Before that, it was a very different language, Old English.
Print runs are a lot bigger than back in Alexandria's day. The authors themselves probably have plenty of spare copies of even good books. If the Bodlean burned, they could just sent out a general request that all authors or their publishers send another copy.
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In Britain we have minimum wage laws as well, which means that interns have to either be paid the mimimum wage or be paid nothing at all. Incidentally, we do have interns in this country. They are sometimes called Work Experience Boys / Girls.
We also have apprentices which can get paid under minimum wage. I know of one on £2.50 an hour.
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There is a lower minimum wage rate for them