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'Back To the Mac' Media Event On October 20th

Kildjean writes "Engadget reports that Apple has issued invitations for a special media event to be held next Wednesday, October 20th at 10:00 AM Pacific Time. The invitation for the event, which is to be held at the company's campus in Cupertino, California, carries the tagline 'Back to the Mac.' The invitation also contains an image of what appears to be a lion peeking out from behind the Apple logo, hinting at discussion of Mac OS X 10.7. 'Lion' has been one of the most commonly-suggested 'big cat' names for the next-generation operating system. Much of Apple's notebook line with the exception of the entry-level MacBook is due for a refresh, and Apple has refreshed at least a portion of its notebook line each October or November for the last several years. Apple's desktop offerings have all been updated relatively recently, suggesting that the company's media event may focus on notebooks if new hardware is included on the agenda."

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  1. Re:And??? by zn0k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the release of the next major version of the second most popular Desktop OS family is news.

    Just like the release of Ubuntu 10.10 and Windows 7 were news.

  2. This is news? by kellyb9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll admit, I'm not a huge fan of Apple. But this is the biggest non-news story ever posted to Slashdot. Basically, Apple is holding an event where they *may* introduce a new release of their operating system and their laptop and desktop lineup is due for a refresh which may or may not happen on Oct 20th. There's absolutely no information in there thats news.

    1. Re:This is news? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's absolutely no information in there thats news.

      [Steve Jobs arches fingers and raises eyebrow] "Excellent"

    2. Re:This is news? by God'sDuck · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think we're supposed to start guessing the next OS X name or something, as if we are children.

      OS X Kitty! ( http://xkcd.com/231/ )

    3. Re:This is news? by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not quite. Apple is: Pre-knowledge rumors, rumors, post-rumor rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, announcement, pre-beta rumors, beta, post-beta rumors, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors, final [, faked Steve Jobs e-mail rumors].

    4. Re:This is news? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      None of which Apple does. It's all speculation by third parties because Apple only has few official announcements.

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    5. Re:This is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's how we keep the doctor away.

    6. Re:This is news? by pyite · · Score: 3, Informative

      one question I asked was, "is it true that at Apple you work really hard?"

      Why in the world would you possibly ask this? All it does is make you sound scared of hard work. Of course they work hard! Anyone at the top of their field always does. It's how you get there.

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    7. Re:This is news? by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're in an environment you actually like working in and the time flies as you become engrossed in your job.

      Yes? ...maybe you should get engrossed in the Apple TV v2, then. Because it sucks. No DVi support, can't hook to more than one iTunes library, it produces wavy, distorted images on many HDTVs, the remote is a nightmare to select passwords on (and bless them, they've made the device so you constantly have to feed it IDs and passwords), the TOSlink audio locks it up, it has no rational buffering strategy (and this, for a streaming device), the provided support is inconsistent with the device (for instance, the Apple v2 support page says "press up plus menu to switch video modes"... there is no "up" key, just four identical dots, but I guess really that's no problem because pressing the dot the manual describes as "up" along with the menu key does NOTHING anyway.) The video sharing does nothing, the entry marked "computers" can only find one at a time (and it never *did* find my Mac Pro, and yes, I have the right version of iTunes on it), it's clueless about more than one AppleID/account in the same household...

      I dunno, man. I think someone over there isn't all that "engrossed."

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  3. Re:And??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot is friendly to LGBT community and needs to cater to their interests as well. Hence, the Mac news.

  4. Re:And??? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're saying OS X is not? I would be interested if Apple announces the successor to Snow Leopard and what features it might have. Then there is the hardware refresh.

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  5. I welcome our OS IX overlords by klubar · · Score: 5, Informative
    If Apple sticks with the "big cats" theme, then 10.7 will the last of the dot releases of OS X. There are only 7 big cats, unless you count the various leopards separately (but somehow the distinction between the Neofelis nebulosa and the Neofelis diardi may be too fine).
    The big cats are:
    • Tiger, Panthera tigris (Asia)
    • Lion, Panthera leo (Africa, Gir Forest in India; extinct in former range of southeast Europe, Middle East, much of Asia, and North America)
    • Jaguar, Panthera onca (the Americas; from the Southern United States and Mexico to northern Argentina)
    • Cheetah, Acinonyx jubatus (Africa and Iran; extinct in former range of India)
    • Cougar, Puma concolor (North and South America)
    • Leopards
      • Snow Leopard, Uncia uncia (mountains of central and south Asia)
      • Leopard, Panthera pardus (Asia and Africa)
      • Bornean Clouded Leopard, Neofelis diardi (Borneo and Sumatra)
      • Clouded Leopard, Neofelis nebulosa (southeast and south Asia)
    1. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by God'sDuck · · Score: 4, Funny
      • Piano Cat
    2. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe they will have a Liger release :D

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    3. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by samkass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could include some now-extinct cats like sabre-toothed ones. But you're probably right... MacOS X is now about 10 years old and is probably due for a major rejiggering soon.

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    4. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by mr_mischief · · Score: 4, Funny

      10.10 Thunder, thunder, Thundercats! Hoooooo!

    5. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      They could use that as a springboard into the "mythical creature" series for OS XI.

      OS 11.0 - Unicorn
      OS 11.1 - Bandersnatch
      OS 11.2 - Jabberwock
      OS 11.3 - Seraphim
      OS 11.4 - Canadian
      OS 11.5 - Basilisk

      "Today Macworld provides coverage as Apple.... RELEASES OS 11.6 - THE KRACKEN!"

      Geez, with mythical creatures they could go for decades.

    6. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by semiotec · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ninja Cat

    7. Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords by oliverk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Missed one...

      OS 11.7 - Duke Nukem Forever

      Let's collectively pray that Kracken is stable over a long, long time :)

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  6. Allow me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's what is going happen:

    * Jobs will give the name of the new OS that won't be coming out for at least a year and encourage developers to get involved with it by offering some promotion/kool-aide.

    * There will be updates to the macbook pro and macbook air line. Maybe some small addition to the macbook. (The new macbook air is supposed to be epic. I'm gonna hope for -typical- with an i3 chipset. Just saying...)

    * He will not want to talk about iOS saying this is about Macs with the exception of the new iLife Package which will have some App Made Easy program in it.

    * See above...new version of iLife.

    * There will be some one more things nonsense, everyone will go nuts. Drink more kool-aide, spend all your money...hoozah.

    Yes, I own I mac and an iphone...but I hate the hype. Anyone that really cares read macrumors and daringfireball, right? (Yes, gruber is an asshole.)

    1. Re:Allow me... by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I own a few Macs, but non with Intel CPUs in them. Mine all have 68xxx, G3, or G4 chips. I also own one iPod, but that was a gift from an employer. What I care about is the abilities of the system and the quality of the hardware and software. My older Macs serve the same purpose as my really old PCs: nostalgia.

      All that said, it'd be stupid once you've built a hype-following fan base as a core part of your customer base not to keep them coming back for more hype. The company (while under good leadership) knows this, and won't lose its hype-loving fan base to Mac clones, BeOS, Haiku, Ubuntu, and other hype-happy developments if it can help it. Without Steve Jobs, they nearly lost their shirts without the hype. They'll give their market what it wants since he's back, and probably after he leaves again now that they've had a chance to learn the lesson the hard way.

    2. Re:Allow me... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jobs will give the name of the new OS that won't be coming out for at least a year and encourage developers to get involved with it by offering some promotion/kool-aide.

      I would think that you'd want to give developers some time between announcement and release so that developers could use/test the release.

      He will not want to talk about iOS saying this is about Macs with the exception of the new iLife Package which will have some App Made Easy program in it.

      Considering that when Jobs just talked about iOS and their new line of iPods just last month, one of the main complaints is that he didn't discuss OS X or the Mac at all, Jobs focusing on OS X this month isn't unreasonable.

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    3. Re:Allow me... by indiechild · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just another pretender. "Yeah, look at me, I'm not like those other Apple sheeple, I'm so much cooler than them. I'll even chuck in a few Apple put-downs so that the haters think I'm an alright guy."

  7. Re:And??? by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't the release of the next major version. This is a press release for an event for which there is speculation for the next major release being announced.

    The announcement of the release or upcoming release would actually be FP worthy.

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  8. Re:And??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would bet money there are more OSX users on Slashdot than linux users.

  9. Interested to see any changes in OSX by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I recently (within the past few months) upgraded from Tiger to Snow Leopard and it went very well... I knew the next release would be out sometime before mid-2011 but I just couldn't wait any longer. The biggest issue for upgrading was not having updates for software running on Tiger anymore.

    Things I hope they change:
    • Make it easier to install binaries used on other *nix systems. Because the pain of using Fink or DarwinPorts is too much. Both install absolutely ridiculous sized frameworks and trying to compile something when you don't have a binary is a mixture of voodoo and tears, roughly where Linux was 15 years ago. Recently I wanted to install a2ps to use some documentation scripts I created which run on Fedora / RHEL. I gave up, it was too much bother.
    • Make it easier to setup passthru printers (required to print large documents successfully from Parallels). Yes I know CUPS, I maintain all printers company-wide for our RHEL servers. So it was only a little bit of an inconvenience to setup... but the thought of trying to explain how to do that to someone else isn't a happy thought. The raw printers don't even show up in the GUI, the only way you see them is in Terminal or the CUPS web interface.
    • Let me set my Terminal preferences for new windows, then actually use those preferences. Every day at work, I start up at least 2 rdesktop sessions using a separate script for each. Every day it adds another terminal preference to the list. Periodically I go back and delete these extra prefs. Just use my existing prefs like Tiger did, already!
    • This new "downloaded from the internet" warning causes some people problems, so provide a way to turn it off. Previous versions of AFP do not like files with more than 2 or 3 extended attributes (or whatever they're called) and trying to copy or move these files to a network AFP share fails. I setup my downloads folder as a watched folder, and created a folder action script to remove 2 or 3 of the most common extended attributes. Another thing I don't want to try to explain to someone.
    • Change the swapping settings to be less aggressive by default. I upgraded to 4GB to get around most of the swapping but I've found the easiest way to keep the system stable and happy is to just shut it down regularly.
    • Please don't add a lot of extra eye candy or things to slow us down. I'm using a 2007 MacBook Pro and while it's plenty fast for what I need, I don't want to have to upgrade either.
    • Above all, the system works very well so don't screw it up. This is really important.
    1. Re:Interested to see any changes in OSX by AstrumPreliator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Make it easier to install binaries used on other *nix systems. Because the pain of using Fink or DarwinPorts is too much. Both install absolutely ridiculous sized frameworks and trying to compile something when you don't have a binary is a mixture of voodoo and tears, roughly where Linux was 15 years ago. Recently I wanted to install a2ps to use some documentation scripts I created which run on Fedora / RHEL. I gave up, it was too much bother.

      I always wanted a very nice package management system for OSX. Kind of like Synaptic on top of apt. I agree that Fink and DarwinPorts are woefully lacking and I'd like to see an all-encompasing package management system for OSX. I'm just afraid if Apple has anything to do with it then it will turn out like their iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch app store.

    2. Re:Interested to see any changes in OSX by bkmoore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      NeXTSTEP's Installer.app had a working package uninstaller. To uninstall a package, you just clicked on its receipt and selected uninstall. For some reason this was dropped in Mac OS X 1.0 and was never reinstated. I have used all versions of NeXT/OS X from NeXTSTEP 2.3 to OS X 10.6 over the past 20 years, and it seems Apple commonly removes random features from time to time only to possibly reinstate them at some future release. It's like the quote from Bud Tribble, "Well, just because he (Steve) tells you something is awful or great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow." Maybe Steve has a bad day and decides to throw out some feature he feels is bloated. Who knows... I think lately Steve has decided Color and Title Bars are a distraction, as evidenced by iTunes 10. It reminds me of NeXTSTEP 2.3's interface guidelines... but I digress. (ok I'm a fan boy and I admit it.) I agree both DarwinPorts and Fink suck, I refuse to use either one. For me, the app either has a .app bundle for it, or I run it under Linux.

    3. Re:Interested to see any changes in OSX by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your other points ring true, but the first one fails. Fink is astoundingly easy to use - it has basically the same interface as most any other Unix package management system. You pick the thing you want to install, it asks you if it can install the dependencies, and it's off and away.

      This is hardly hard work. Even if you don't have a binary in a repo, it simply takes a bit longer because of the compilation step.

      Fink and the Ports system both work great, and they coexist without problems (now). Look at the situation with Linux, where you have several competing package management systems, which are completely incompatible with each other. A slight misconfiguration upstream somewhere doesn't just cause the package installation process to fail - it can totally cheese your whole system! I used to use Ubuntu with MythTV, but that was a hairy fucking mess when it came to installing upgrades. I need 2 separate versions of MySQL? What in the fuck is MythTV doing even storing program scheduling data in a database, when a flat text file would work just as well and even allow a person to edit it manually, say over an SSH session? This is just one example of the problems you are faced with even in an easy-to-use distro like Ubuntu.

    4. Re:Interested to see any changes in OSX by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Informative

      It gives their products additional value, the same reason Microsoft doesn't battle cygwin.

      Actually, Microsoft purchased OpenNT (later known as Interix) and then crippled it and threw the carcass out for free as 'Services for Unix.' OpenNT was a very robust and fairly complete POSIX subsystem that ran directly on top of the NT Kernel. Cygwin is a DLL hack that rides up on top of Win32. Microsoft likes cygwin being there because it keeps people outta their kernel. It gives people 'just enough' to take the big incentive off for people to write a real POSIX subsystem like the one in OpenNT that they killed.

  10. Re:And??? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Haha. AC has a point. MacOS is the UNIX on the desktop and laptop that linux was never able to achieve.

  11. Re:MBP by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope so too. I have a 2006 model MBP. I was planning on upgrading it after three years, but the available replacements at the time were only slightly faster. The current ones are a bit better. The i5 / i7 are a step up from the Core 2, and the increase in battery life looks okay. I'd also like an SSD, but getting the 256GB SSD and the decent screen pushes the price up to well over double what I paid for this machine, so I'll probably hang on to it for a bit longer, until flash prices drop.

    Hopefully a refresh will push the machine I want from being near the top of the line to being a bit closer to the entry-level model. That said, the cheapest 15" MBP is currently more than I paid for this one when it was new...

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  12. Re:This is news by kwerle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recommend you change your /. settings so you don't see apple news.

    Easy enough.

  13. People may say OSX 10.7 has a codename Cheetah... by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but everyone knows they're Lion.

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  14. Re:MBP by DCstewieG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Step 1: Ditch Firefox. It's become a cow. Unless you absolutely need some extensions you can't get elsewhere, try Chrome or Safari.

  15. Thanks for Plagiarizing MacRumors without credit.. by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why, with the exception of removing direct internal MacRumors links, this "story" looks to be identical wording to the MacRumors story on this.

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  16. Re:Thanks for Plagiarizing MacRumors without credi by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Correction: The original submission from Kildjean has the link to MacRumors at the bottom. The approved /. story does not. Kildjean did right, samzenpus removed it.

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  17. Dear Apple.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I' love to "get back to the mac" but I cant. You wont make a mac pro that is affordable in any way so I had to abandon the Mac platform and go back to the PC platform like many MANY businesses have.

    I would love to stick with Final Cut and the mac platform... but I am able to buy 2X the machine for 1/2 the money AND have enough left over to buy new video camera gear. for the price of ONE Mac Pro quad core that can do AVCHD editing smoothly.

    I loved editing on the mac platform, but they made the mac pro platform way too expensive.

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  18. New desktop? by LoudMusic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The discussion seems to be very OS oriented, but I'd like to see some hardware changes. There have been plenty of "refreshes" but nothing that is a truly NEW Apple computer. How about a desktop computer between the mini and the pro? Something better than the absolute base model and the absolute top end, that I can use on my KVM switch. The current pricing is $700 and $2500. Bit of a price gap for headless desktops there.

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    1. Re:New desktop? by mikael_j · · Score: 3, Informative

      How about a desktop computer between the mini and the pro?

      That would be the iMac. Yes, I know it's got a monitor attached to it but that's what they're offering, and you can use it as just a monitor if you end up buying a faster machine and want to reuse the iMac's monitor.

      Apple as a company seems to have little interest in a "pure" "hobbyist" machine, they sell systems...

      • Mac Mini - HTPC/SFF Desktop/Small server offering, plenty of punch of for its form factor, not much in terms of upgradeability.
      • iMac - Midrange to fairly powerful desktop, really only the RAM that can be easily upgraded (except for the usual external addons), hard drive can be replaced with a little effort (not that hard if you take a few minutes to read up on it beforehand).
      • Mac Pro - High end/upgradable system, this one is for those who need workstation performance/reliability and/or the ability to add and remove hardware.
      • XServe - The Mac server, that's about it. A pretty good offering if you're looking to buy servers for an almost all-Mac/*nix environment though.
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  19. Re:And??? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also there's probably lots like me that use more than one (Windows, Linux, and OS X).

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  20. Re:And??? by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The poll would need to specify if it's about your preferred choice or the OS you spend most of your time with because company policies.

    Slashdot should to these two polls next:

    Which is your preferred OS? (given a choice, which do you use)
    - Windows 95/95 OSR2/98/98SE/ME/NT
    - Windows XP
    - Windows Vista
    - Windows 7
    - Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
    - Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
    - Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
    - Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc)
    - I use Open/FreeBSD you insensitive clod!

    Which OS do you use the most? (even if you don't like it but are forced to use it for various reasons)
    - Windows 95/95 OSR2/98/98SE/ME/NT
    - Windows XP
    - Windows Vista
    - Windows 7
    - Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
    - Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
    - Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
    - Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc)
    - I use Open/FreeBSD you insensitive clod!

  21. Re:And??? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is worthy of a front page news item why?

    Because this is an ad-supported site and every news story with the word 'Apple' in it generates heaps of comments. Think about that next time to you contribute to the thread.

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  22. Re:Waiting on a Macbook Air refresh by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm on my third Mac mini (first one was a G4/1.42GHz, second one was a Core 2 Duo/1.83GHz with intel GMA950, third one is the new mid-2010 model, still Core 2 Duo but running at 2.4GHz and with the much better nVidia 320M).

    I'm still using ViewSonic VP171s that I bought when I was still using a PC, my wired, non-optical Logitech mouse that I bought nearly a decade ago and the same Apple aluminium flat keyboard that I bought at the same time as my second Mac mini.

    Why would Apple need to package a keyboard and a mouse with their Mac mini? That would defeat the whole goal of the machine, which is "BYODKM" (bring your own display, keyboard and mouse).

  23. Re:Jailbreak by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure they will. After all, right now you can buy a Mini with OSX server, and even sans optical drive if you wish. If they wanted to force more expensive hardware for their upper-end features, they would prevent OSX Server from running on a Mini. Originally the EULA prevented you from using OSX Server on anything other than an XServe or MacPro, but now they not only allow it, they endorse it.

    They want Macs to be the machines people are using to create content and apps for the mobile gadgets. I don't see why they would undermine that. However, I would not be surprised if they built-in an AppStore for OSX.

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  24. Re:And??? by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    More likely it made news because it doesn't have to be some certified or confirmed event to be newsworthy. Don't' forget we use a mod system for a story to even get this far to begin with. Obviously it is of interest to a large number of folks. As news sites go, I prefer this method as we essentially choose our own headlines. If only 'certified' events, known facts, and 'proven' theories (is there such a thing?) made news, we wouldn't have much left to talk about and we would hear about them after the fact more likely as not. I come here for such news, be it from Linux, OS X, Windows, potential future gadgets, random tech talk, or whatever. The day that Apple news is no longer news for nerds is the day /. has lost it's way. It is as much a part of nerd history as Linux, Unix, Windows and everything else PC.

    I find it interesting that the Apple haters are whining (aren't they always?) about an Apple story being posted, yet they are silent when a story about 'potential' Android developers 2-3 years from now isn't even blinked at. A bit of a double standard there don't you think? I personally consider such conjecture news as well, even about an android story even though I don't own any of those devices. Surprise, not everyone is a fanatic to the point where we can't stomach hearing about news from either 'camp'. If someone's dislike of a company is getting so extreme that they can't stomach even hearing said company's name, perhaps it's time to take a break away from the PC and a few internet blogs.

    This site encompasses more than just a singular personal pronoun.

    Last but not least, if they didn't want to hear such stories, why oh why do they always flock in droves to read and then comment on them?

  25. Re:I welcome our OS XI overlords as well by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mac OS 9 probably should have been called Mac OS 8.7, but for the fact that Jobs needed a quick way out of the contracts Apple had with the cloners, which were killing Apple.

    The loophole that was found was that the cloners' licenses to distribute Mac OS were only valid for version 8.x. Thus they renamed Mac OS 8.7 to Mac OS 9 and refused to license the new major version to the cloners, putting them out of business.

    ~Philly

  26. Re:And??? by masmullin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah some of us are just generalist-hate trolls! We spread our evil evenly.

  27. Re:MBP by RocketRabbit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Aside from the *fact* that Firefox is a cow, it has some of the most awful, ugly font rendering in the world.

    Why would you buy a Macintosh, which includes perhaps the best font rendering engine on the planet, and $1000 worth of professional fonts, in order to render them so terribly?

    Safari has one of the fastest Javascript engines on the planet, its HTML5 capabilities blow FF out of the water, and it's just all around nicer.

  28. Re:MBP by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    SDDs seem cool but they push the price up an insane amount.

    They're pricey, but they make the machine fly. I have a 2007 17" (Version 3,1). Always seem to hang on program switching and heavy disk I/O. Changing out to a 7200 RPM drive made a bit of difference, but really didn't change my 'attitude' to the machine (basically I wanted a new one). Sticking in an SSD however, was a night and day experience. I think OS X really hits the hard drive for lots of little things that really could stay in RAM (the machine has 4 GB) and would noticeably pause starting and switching programs and often for no apparent reason.

    Pretty much all gone now. I've basically given up my thoughts of upgrading the machine for a few more years. Perhaps once Nikon gets it 24 megapixel cameras out of the stratospheric price range they inhabit and I afford to buy one and upgrade the machine to handle it.

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  29. Re:most will be happy with a MATE Imac or a system by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mac pro over kill hardware price Do you realy need a 1k PSU for a 1 cpu system with a ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5.

    A Mac Pro is an expandable workstation. If Apple didn't put a powerful enough PSU for the the 3 PCI slots and the 3 HD expansion bays, there would be complaints that Apple put in an underpowered PSU. Some people actually use them.

    Mac pro at $2500 comes with a W3530 cpu about $300 (same price area as the i7-930) but apple only puts 3gb ram in and only a ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB of GDDR5 (add $200 for a ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB)

    Perhaps maybe because a Xeon is not the same thing as a Core i7. Intel considers them different families, maybe you should too.

    But when you can get good I7 systems with 6gb ram and a better or the same video card for $1000-$1500. Where is the that extra $1000+ going a full boxed copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is only $300 oem full is like $200 and big oem like dell pay less.

    Again an i7 isn't a Xeon. If you want an i7 from Dell, buy one.

    There are people who may not want to play games but for $2500 you should get a Nvidia Quadro or ATI fire pro ATI FireGL card.

    I don't think it is listed anywhere on the MacPro website nor does Apple hint that the MacPro is a "gaming machine". The problem is that you keep saying it's not a gaming machine but that's just your misunderstanding of what a MacPro is. It has always been a professional workstation so that professionals can edit sound/music/graphics/video for a living. It is not made for you to play Crysis, although you can do it. If you want a gaming machine, companies like Alienware make equipment specifically for you.

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  30. Re:And??? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's something truly sadistic about control-C as the keystroke for copying... when you've just typed the last line in a twenty-line command in a terminal window SSHed to a UNIX box. :-)

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  31. Re:MBP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Safari crashes and hangs on me a *lot* more than Firefox does. Usually it's from Flash, but not always. Past that, Firefox saves the tabs and sites I have open; that makes the crashes in Safari much worse than the few I've had in Firefox. I actually use both daily, though for a somewhat silly reason I won't go into.

  32. Ummm few things by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) (in my best morbo voice) WRITEOFFS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! You don't get stuff for free. It isn't like you just buy new hardware and then pay that much less in taxes. Yes, there are various kinds of tax writeoffs related to physical goods. No they don't come anywhere near what the goods cost (and you have to take them over time).

    2) Managing expenses is extremely important to small business. You generally have a limited amount you can grow your market, particularly in the shit economy we currently have. Thus the difference between profit and loss is in expenses. My parents are fighting with that right now. Their business is nearly profitable, would have been had growth continued. However they cannot grow sales, they've tried, just doesn't work. The only thing they can do is keep expenses under control. That includes things like not spending shitloads on computers when you don't have to.

    3) Who says you need to be a business to want pro software? Where do you think people learn this, magic? Someone who is in to videography, either just for fun or perhaps because they are trying to make a business out of it might well want a professional editing suite. In the case of Apple's software, Final Cut is it. Also there's the problem that they don't offer good lower end versions. Final Cut Express hasn't been updated in years. It isn't like Sony Vegas where a home user can buy software that is just like the pro stuff, only less capable.

    Regardless, the cost of hardware matters and trying to pass it off as just a "business expense" is not at all realistic. He's right about systems too. I have a Core i7 860 here and with Vegas 10 I can edit 1080p 4:2:0 video no problem, generally realtime playback for simple edits and so on. A more powerful, dual processor, system isn't needed.

  33. Re:Jailbreak by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And how much would it cost you to purchase a PC with Windows 2008 and unlimited CALs?

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  34. Re:And??? by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole hipster blogosphere will cream itsself over the slightest hint of what Apple will do or not do.

    Considering Apple's present market capitalization, I'm afraid you've mischaracterized where the interest is coming from. It's only the most valuable technology company in the world, you know. So what it does demands attention; both from the technology sector in general, and of course from its customers.

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