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Microsoft Announces Web-Based Office365

suraj.sun writes "Aiming to bolster its hosted software for businesses, Microsoft announced today that it is adding Web-based versions of Office to its collection of hosted software for business, Office365. It will also offer traditional Office as a subscription-based service. Microsoft is pricing the service as low as $6 per user per month, though that version includes only the Web-based versions of Office."

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  1. "Best with IE" or not? by grub · · Score: 3, Interesting


    It isn't mentioned in the article, but does anyone know if Office365 "works best" with IE or is it browser-agnostic? For example, Microsoft's Outlook Web Access is quite decent when accessed with IE but with Firefox or Safari it's not nearly as nice.

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    1. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nothing more complicated than a "hello world" page is browswer-agnostic.

      But it's also a pretty safe bet that it's not a true browser app (I'm not sure what that means), but will be Silverlight based. So on that front, so long as you're running a browser that supports Silverlight, you should get the exact same experiance. There may be more info in TFA, but it's down for me at the moment, so I'm just going to speculate wildly.

    2. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Their web site claims "Works with the devices you use most - including PC, Mac, Windows Phone, iPhone, Android, and BlackBerry" but it doesn't say "Works well".

      I'd think it would have to be relatively browser-agnostic to make that claim, but who knows?

    3. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by ickleberry · · Score: 2, Informative

      if it needs a specific browser to run which only works on a specific operating system they should just have made it a desktop office suite (separate from MS Office even, start from scratch).

      This is more of the last few year's trend of making everything web-based just so the company making it can appear to be with the times of having everything web/cloud/subscription based with no real advantage

    4. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      does anyone know if Office365 "works best" with IE or is it browser-agnostic?

      If you run it on anything other than IE, it will take 365 days to load. Hence, the name.
         

    5. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by ejdmoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hello there! I work on the Outlook Web App team. The version of OWA shipped in Exchange 2010 SP1 is supported in (and works equally well in)...

      - IE 7+ (note that IE6 is not supported)
      - Firefox 3+
      - Safari 3.1+
      - Chrome 3+

      This is the version of OWA included in Office 365.

      Source:
      http://help.outlook.com/en-us/140/bb899685.aspx

    6. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Funny

      This brings up something I've been wondering for awhile: What moron killed Works, and why? Yeah I hated the Works file format as much as the next guy, but it was a great way for them to push product to the Walmart crowd and OEMs. If anybody there had a brain they'd take Word, Powerpoint, and Maybe OneNote, and package that as "MSFT Office Home" and push that in the low end market and to OEMs instead of more "Web 2.0" crap. Lets be honest folks, this is probably gonna bomb, and bomb hard. Those that need MS Office are probably just gonna pick up a retail edition, and those in the low end without Works being supplied by OEMs is probably gonna end up with Open Office. from a company standpoint this is just further proof in my opinion that Ballmer is to MSFT what the Pepsi guy was to Apple and needs a good firing.

      And slightly OT, but can we change the "Bill Gates Borg" icon please? yes Bill was good at the "evil Nerd Genius" thing, but has been gone for ages. I would like to propose a BETTER icon, which I bet most here would agree is a better description of MSFT currently: Steve Ballmer with his tongue sticking out with a propeller beanie and a "I heart Apple!" T-shirt. This would better describe the current direction (which is pretty much "We can be as cool and hip as Apple! Yes we can! Yes we really can! STOP LAUGHING AT ME"!) and the "me too!" attitude at MSFT, not to mention the piss poor image the CEO brings to the table, better than the MSFT Gates Borg. Hell at least let the guys at /. vote in a poll on it! Who's with me? Down with Gates Borg, up with Ballmer Beanie!

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    7. Re:"Best with IE" or not? by oatworm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What moron killed Works, and why?

      A bloody genius, that's who. Between OpenOffice and Microsoft Office Home & Student Edition (only slightly more expensive than Works' retail pricing, not that anyone ever paid for it), Works doesn't make sense anymore, if it ever really did in the first place. Creating a watered down version of Office wasn't a bad idea, mind you, but making it incompatible with Office and pushing it as an OEM solution just caused a ton of frustration among people who rightly expected "Microsoft" products to talk to each other. Seriously, Wordpad has better .doc support than Works. Wordpad! That's inexcusable. When you factor in that the sole reason they used a different file format was probably to kill WordPerfect (same file extension - I doubt that was a coincidence), it just ups the malicious pointlessness factor up several notches.

  2. Its website by neo00 · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Its website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    2. Re:Its website by nschubach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just the link alone makes me wonder... Does MS have a secure site for office365?

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  3. Re:That is low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    $6 / mo = $72 / year. Considering Office Professional costs close to $400, this is basically a subscription model. Yes, the $6/mo is cheaper than $400 / 5 years.

    If $6 / mo is *expensive*, then I'm not sure how people manage payroll.

  4. Re:Office 365 fits between Office 97 & Office by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it just means that it doesn't work on leap years.

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  5. Strange Name by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Funny

    I assume the next version will be Office 366. How long have I been asleep?

  6. 'Only' the Web-based versions of Office ? by lbalbalba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Guess that covers Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Access. So what's the rest, then ? Visio ? Exchange ?

    1. Re:'Only' the Web-based versions of Office ? by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Guess that covers Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Access. So what's the rest, then ? Visio ? Exchange ?

      Good point. Google Docs has a word processor thats better because its free. Its a competitive market. But what about Visio?

      Who out there has a web based Visio that I can use? Like for network and wiring diagrams?

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    2. Re:'Only' the Web-based versions of Office ? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. Google Docs has a word processor thats better because its free.

      Man, I'll give you some human excrement for free ... that doesn't make it better.

      Free crap is still free crap. Not saying that the Google app is, in fact, crap. Merely that "free" and "better" are on separate axes.

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  7. Office 364 ... if it crashes in a day. by dslmodem · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, it is really a bad name per my understanding.

    To keep up with the trend, they should try "iOffice", "FaceOffice",

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  8. Surprised it's taken this long: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised it's taken this long to get this kind of offering and price point out -- it's seemed clear for a while that Microsoft would like to grow a presence in the "software as a service" space.

    1. Re:Surprised it's taken this long: by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      LOL. A little tidbit of history that may not be widely known or at least not widely remembered - Microsoft has actually developed web-based versions of its Office product on at least 2 previous occasions, perhaps more. These products never saw the light of day, and for various reasons, strategic and political chief among them, the projects were axed, developers reassigned, and code tossed away then restarted some time later when somebody decided that NOW the time was ripe for a web-based office.

      Amusingly enough, I believe one of these efforts was part of what was originally termed the ".NET initiative" and was called "Office.NET" at least as a working title - back when .NET meant anything and everything, before they decided that .NET actually was the class library and VM for their C# language. See, for example, this article from back in 2002.

      Remember what a confused mess the .NET initiative was? It's truly amazing how much Microsoft has had its head up its ass over the last decade. Windows 7 is the first decent product they've put out in *years*.

      A friend of mine from college, a very bright guy, was one of the project managers on the Office.NET project before it got axed. Anyway, he was so frustrated by his experience with this project that I believe it was in part his reason for leaving Microsoft.

      So... it seems like they finally followed through on this, but it's not like the idea just occurred to them recently. No, it's more likely they only decided to bring it to market now because of the cloud computing hype and the fact that the traction of OpenOffice.Org and other Office alternatives has them scared shitless (of course, OpenOffice has just fragmented itself and will probably manage to squander the traction they've finally obtained after all these years of effort).

    2. Re:Surprised it's taken this long: by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe "Office success in the cloud" will be co-temporal with "Year of the Linux desktop" :)

      Thanks for your informative post (you're already at the exalted height of +5 so we can't mod more).

  9. Tell you what by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll install OpenOffice 500 times and you can pay me the $36k. Deal?

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    1. Re:Tell you what by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows apologists kept repeating the linux is too different mantra for years now they gotta defend the ribbon. Yay! karma exists.

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  10. Re:That is low by anUnhandledException · · Score: 4, Informative

    When one consider that Office is $400 - $500 per license it is "half off".

    Also I think it is more aimed at small business.

    Fortune 500 can drop $500 a license per user no big deal.

    A startup could preserve capital by paying $72 per year.

  11. Office386 ! by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I misread the title as "Office386", and was thinking, "Boy, Microsoft really is falling behind the curve".

  12. Bill Gates quote by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gates: "365 days a year otta be enough for anybody."

  13. Re:For $6 a month by SudoGhost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While that may or may not be true, I don't need to post as an Anonymous Coward to tell you that Office alone is overpriced for what it does, especially when there is a viable alternative for free, let alone this 'subscription' crap.

  14. Re:Office 365 fits between Office 97 & Office by jasonmicron · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it just means that it doesn't work on leap years.

    Sort of like the PS3?

  15. IE? nah, just Silverlight by vlueboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hotmail is controlled by MS. IIRC, about a year ago they started displaying PPS (and maybe DOC) attachments in-browser. They did so while promoting the "works best with Silverlight... install" here.

    So they have gathered enough statistics on Silverlight and any failures in display that always come from end-user feedback. Now, they are ready to entice corporations. The corps will have to approve Silverlight for their outdated browsers, or be faced with the same "degraded" fallback interfaces that result in reduced productivity that you already noted with Outlook's non-native execution.

  16. Server Error in '/' Application. by vlueboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ouch. That link is slashdotted or something, so all we got is that error.
    Which was great, decent reminder that MS hosting all your office documents on the cloud reduces your company's effective ownership of the files. One day IT blocks the domain inadvertently, or it gets DDoS'd by anonymous, or the local spyware kills it in your hostfile, or all the phones and internet go down at the company because of a cut cable... so then what do the managers do to access their files?

    Cloud indeed.

  17. Re:That is low by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You forgot to factor in the 25GB Exchange online mailboxes and Sharepoint Online for each user that doesn't come with Office Professional.

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  18. Re:For $6 a month by armanox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oddly enough I don't know anyone who uses VBA.

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  19. Imagine the board decision meeting by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine the board decision meeting.

    Seattle moderator: Right, we wanna shov... sell our Office sofware [sic.] to the wider public and we need a name. You John?
    John: Well, how's about we name it Office %VERSION%++
    SM: Very good indeed, John... You Mark?
    Mark: It's for the people ... which are alive ... eh lets name it "Live ........
    (Several hours pass)
    SM: (Yelling) Oh for god's sake, we can't name everything 360, can we!
    Some nobody: (Very meek voice) 365 maybe? For the year, you know? OK, I'll get my coat.
    (Several more hours pass)
    SM: (Desperate) OK, 365 it is.
    Another nobody: (Very softly) And what about leap years?.

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  20. The Numbers by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Informative

    From TFA :"$27 per user per month"

    I work for an New Zealand small - medium company. The stacks up thus:

    Option 1. 20 seat Office 2010 enterprise license - $13,000 per annum
    Option 2. Office 365. 20 x $27/month x $NZ Exchange = $8484 per annum.
    Option 3. 20 OEMS with hardware purchase(assume 4 year cycle): $2500 per annum

    PS: US readers will think I have these numbers grossly wrong. I havent. The cost of doing business in NZ is expensive. Option 1 could drop in price. I have already had an email stating this could change as they are keen to always "find a best fit for an organisation".

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  21. Leap Year Fail by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're going to be so screwed when the service goes down for an entire day every four years. Ah, but then they'll introduce Office365+.

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  22. 1.2 GB active x control by codepunk · · Score: 3, Funny

    All you need to do is install this 1.2 GB active x control. Or you can opt for the 1.6 GB active x professional version that includes "web bob" and "clippy".

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  23. Re:For $6 a month by jimicus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's never going to be better.

    Seriously.

    If Oracle were to put together a team of absolute superstars - I mean real development gurus - and head them up with the best project manager they can find - and give them just one task - "Make OpenOffice import and export seamlessly to Microsoft Office formats, including all scripting and macros", it still wouldn't be better.

    For one, Microsoft would suddenly start to find patents they could sue Oracle for infringing.

    For another, the next version of Office would change things, drastically. There'd be an Office XML format "version 2", and it'd make version 1 look like a paragon of well-thought out design.

    For a third, by the time such a feature made it into the stable version of OpenOffice, the two things I've just listed would have already happened. Twice.

    Like it or not, we live in a world where people want to share information digitally, and that sharing has to work. Microsoft's rules say you do this by running an office suite on your PC that saves files to a known format and you collaborate by sharing those files in some form - be it through Sharepoint or, if you're more old-fashioned, by email attachment and storing on a fileserver. Thing is, if you play to those rules you're more or less guaranteed to lose. This is why Google Docs doesn't and it's why Microsoft are frightened of Google. Google are playing to their rules and Microsoft haven't had to compete on someone else's terms in a very long time.

  24. Re:What if I lose internet access? by geekmux · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are a few types of programs I would expect to lose functionality when I lose internet access. MMO games, an internet browser, email.

    There are some I would expect to always be functional regardless of internet connection. Media players, single-player games, and office suites are some examples.

    You must be part of my generation of older computer users who still remember what it's like to not have always-on, high-speed broadband access streaming everywhere.

    I guess my point here is there's no point in worrying about the "what-ifs" when you lose internet access, because for todays generation of internet addicts who are tethered online with no less than three devices within 17.5 meters of their body at all times, the answer to your question is very simple; nothing will get done. At all. It'll be mass hysteria in the office when users realize they're disconnected from Facebook and Twitter for more than 34 seconds.

  25. Re:That is low by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Informative

    A startup could preserve captial by using openoffice, and starting a precident of not getting locked in right off the bat.
    "The cloud" is not the horse to back.

  26. Re:For $6 a month by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For people starting with nothing any office product will work. If you already have files from application , it is often better to stay with that application then switch. If you can justify the cost of the switch, then do it. If you cannot, then do not.

    I use open office at home, and install it for most people that ask for office. Does it work for them yes. Then again these are not people with hundreds or thousands of files from a different office application. Have I been burned by this? Yes. When docx, xlsx, and pptx arrived it caused some problems. Asking the person to have the sender resend in the 97-2003 file format was a bit harder. Tell them they need to do a save-as not just save. I set the default to 97-2003 for the office 2007 installs I did at work. That worked for most people. Why word has to use the new format for the math equations (with the Green symbols) is beyond me though. Main point is, use what works for you.