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Ray Ozzie's Departing Memo a Warning To Microsoft

itwbennett writes "In a parting memo to Microsoft, Ray Ozzie urges Microsoft to 'really, truly, seriously start thinking beyond the PC,' writes blogger Chris Nurney. Nurney suspects that 'Ozzie has been making these points internally for some time,' and that the memo 'could be his way of putting it in the public record.' Some of the memo's juicy bits: 'It's important that all of us do precisely what our competitors and customers will ultimately do: close our eyes and form a realistic picture of what a post-PC world might actually look like, if it were to ever truly occur. ... Today's PCs, phones & pads are just the very beginning; we'll see decades to come of incredible innovation from which will emerge all sorts of "connected companions" that we'll wear, we'll carry, we'll use on our desks & walls and the environment all around us.'"

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  1. MS is doing that by weachiod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly. Hell, Microsoft Courier looked like the only tablet I wanted. Screw iPad, Courier was cool.

    But the truth also is that Microsoft has a huge dominance on computer market and that isn't going anywhere. They are truly dominating it. I don't think it's a warning as such to Microsoft, just a suggestion for if they want to grow. And interestingly, that is what Microsoft is and has been doing for many years already. Xbox360 is a truly fantastic product too.

    Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it! Combine that with environment like Windows where everyone can freely develop their software and include things like XNA and Xbox Live and you have a wonderful product on your hands!

    1. Re:MS is doing that by Xtravar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do you remember.. Windows Mobile 6? Pocket PC? Yeah, I developed for those platforms, and I can tell you that Microsoft seriously didn't give a shit. I doubt they have changed much since then. When your core product is for PCs, it's hard changing your company's thinking.

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    2. Re:MS is doing that by Squidnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Smartphones and tablets are a step in the right direction, but they're nowhere near the ideal of ubiquitous computing that Ozzie is suggesting. Much like Microsoft, you're not looking far enough ahead.

    3. Re:MS is doing that by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Was was thinking the same thing.

      Windows Mobile has seriously SUCKED the life out of me, like my life sucks because of it. (I could have won concert tickets but my phone couldn't even preform a simple speed dial in under 10 seconds).

      I don't know anyone who actually owns a zune, but lets just say my only run-in with it has been the zune apps on the Xbox - which is actually worse at managing my media than the original Xbox way of just navigating a filestructure. Thanks!

      I could name a handful of other Non-PC products that Microsoft has, but really, whats the point? None of them can actually compare to their competitors on the market, at least from a users perspective. I think I would much prefer it if they focused SOLELY on the PC and made Windows 8 actually something worth buying - get rid of those issues with backwards compatibility.

    4. Re:MS is doing that by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The phrase "survival of the fittest" actually came from a mistake that was made when Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was translated into German. The correct phrase, and concept, is "Survival of the most adaptable".

      It's just as true in the business world as it is in nature.

    5. Re:MS is doing that by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Frankly I am starting to wonder if Microsoft is going to be the next Curtis Wright.
      In 1954 just about every airliner on the planet used their engines. The president of the company said that they could keep making that one engine until the end of time and people would still be buying them.
      By 1960 they where no longer a major producer of aircraft engines.
      Today they make valves for hydraulic systems.

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    6. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When Ray says "Beyond the PC" what he's really saying is "beyond Windows OS".

      This has been Microsoft's greatest nemesis, is their own myopia. They view everything with the tinged glasses of Windows. You can see this with Windows Mobile 7, even if it isn't "Windows" is trying to leverage "Windows 7" branding.

      Specifically addressing what you're saying, the problem with Courier was that it was Kindle wannabe. They kept the book format when quite frankly it shouldn't have. Try turning the page with one hand. The KindleApp for iPad is even better than Kindle. And it is more useful than any standalone ebook reader.

      Which brings me to tablets: If Microsoft makes a tablet that isn't some bastardized copy of Windows, I'll take a look. Until then, no thank you. Buying an overpriced one use computing device to me seem silly, and trying to shoehorn Windows into a tablet type device is just as pointless.

      Apple gets all of this. Apple is no longer just a "computer company" and is branching out and fixing all the other related edges of technology that has been hamstrung by companies like Microsoft and their limited thinking. Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

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    7. Re:MS is doing that by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Xbox 360 is a fantastic product? So you've never owned one have you?

      RROD pops to mind and the overall 16.1% failure rate over 6 to 10 months use.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
      http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/36070-report-xbox-360-failure-rate-above-15

      Plus the fact that it didn't support an HD format for games, no Blu-ray support now, no Bluetooth support, it's not that fantastic of a device.

    8. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly.

      Windows Phone is already out in Europe. We'll see how well it fares. Personally, I'm not impressed by the many restrictions (more than in iPhone!), but then I'm a geek. If I were buying a phone as a present for my mom, I'd look into it alongside iPhone.

      HP Slate 500 (running Windows 7) is also out. It's rather telling that they've put it into business laptops and PCs section of their website, though. The reviews so far have not been all that positive, from what I've seen - it certainly does some things great (like e.g. running Outlook or other Windows software, or pen digitizer mode for handwritten notes), but as a "consumption gadget" a la iPad, it falls short - the main issue seems to be that it's not as "silky smooth" (i.e. responsive) as Apple devices. No surprise there considering the OS. Overall I'd buy one as opposed to iPad, if I weren't waiting for Notion Ink Adam already...

      Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it! Combine that with environment like Windows where everyone can freely develop their software and include things like XNA and Xbox Live and you have a wonderful product on your hands!

      Somehow I suspect that, were tablets with specialized OS to come out, they'd be more aligned with Windows Phone - with respect to software restrictions as well. And did you see the list of "can't" on WP?

    9. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To say that Curtiss Wright "[makes] valves for hydraulic systems" is a gross over simplification of their current product line. While I agree that they could be much more than they are, I also knew you were going to downplay them unfairly when I had seen you couldn't even be bothered to spell their name correctly.

    10. Re:MS is doing that by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

      The phrase "survival of the fittest" actually came from a mistake that was made when Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was translated into German. The correct phrase, and concept, is "Survival of the most adaptable".

      Since the phrase was first used by Herbert Spencer in 1864, writing in English, I don't think so. Darwin himself used the phrase "natural selection" and not "survival of the fittest," but in 1869 he did quote the "survival of the fittest" phrase (correctly attributing the quote to Spencer); and did it in English (not translating it into German).

      http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/340400.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

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    11. Re:MS is doing that by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what Darwin was saying is... the transformers will outlive humans?

    12. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You aren't really listening. iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux. The reason why Blackberry touch smartphones have sucked is that the retro-fitted their old apps, and aren't all optimized for touch. Windows mobile seems to suffer from similar problems. You need to think of it from the user paradigm rather than making it "A pc on a phone, or a PC on a tablet." Apple and Google have done a much better job at that.

    13. Re:MS is doing that by SpryGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I own a Zune (I bought the Zune80 when it came out).

      The Zune software was fantastic (on the PC). The Zune UI ran rings around the iPod (on the Device). The sound quality was better.

      Zune deserved better. It was superior to the iPod Classic line in every way. I've seen (but do not own) the Zune HD, and it's good as well, though it pales in comparison to the iPod Touch because of the ecosystem and apps available.

      I'm actively looking forward to being able to ditch my iPhone for a Windows Phone in a year or two. I hope Microsoft doesn't manage to screw it all up.

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    14. Re:MS is doing that by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other problem with the Courier is that it never existed... It was nothing more than a photoshop mockup or rendered 3D model. Their next tablet will be "no thicker than a sheet of glass"

    15. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple gets all of this. Apple is no longer just a "computer company" and is branching out and fixing all the other related edges of technology that has been hamstrung by companies like Microsoft and their limited thinking. Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

      Close, but no. In all seriousness, Apple does not 'get all of this' in the manner that you suggest. They're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their App stores. So to claim that Apple doesn't possess limited thinking is, in my view, patently false. They are just as single minded, but towards a different end. They don't care about the technology in the least (iphone that doesn't work well as a phone, anyone?), but they ARE indeed all about the platform and the vehicle to future sales that it represents.

    16. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Linux is a kernel, not a complete OS. The bits on top of the Kernel are Android OS. Lots of devices run the kernel, but have limited OS capabilities because it is easy to do and highly modularized. Android is more like Gnome or KDE (not exact though)

      Windows is much much more monolithic.

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    17. Re:MS is doing that by icegreentea · · Score: 2

      The failure rate is much much better now. No one will deny there were problems on release and for some time afterwords.

      The HD format thing kind of sucks. But you know what? If you want to game, the 360 is great. In fact, I would say that it's fantastic. If you enjoy the game selection, then you'll enjoy a 360. Cause it works. It's a goddamn console. It plays games before anything else.

    18. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > like my life sucks because of it. (I could have won concert tickets but my phone couldn't even preform a simple speed dial in under 10 seconds).

      Seriously. Your life sucks because a toy telephone prevented you from winning concert tickets?

      > Was was thinking the same thing.

      How on god's green earth is this comment marked "insightful"? I see slashdot is still the festering circlejerk it always was. Makes me long for the days of goatse and beowulf clusters and first post. At least that was entertaining.

    19. Re:MS is doing that by s4m7 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple is not just Macs any more, and that is a big reason they are the new Microsoft, and #2 in Market Cap, possibly getting to #1 next year sometime.

      Apple surpassed Microsoft's market cap in May, and remains second highest mcap in the S&P 500 to exxonmobil. MS is third. There is a pretty big gap between exxonmobil and apple, still. Unlikely to close in the next year. But I'm guessing you weren't taking petro companies into consideration in your rankings.

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    20. Re:MS is doing that by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is not Mac, the same way Microsoft is Windows.

      What you said may be true, or may simply be a way of monetizing the marketplace in a way you don't like, but that is not my point. Apple is not a "computer company" the way Microsoft is a "Windows" company.

      There is nothing at Microsoft that isn't either "Windows" or "Me too" device (XBOX, ZUNE).

      And even if you think iPod, iPad, and iPhone are in the "me too" category, they revolutionized industries that weren't "computer" related. And frankly, the iPod, iPhone and iPad make anything before them look ... "PC". Those devices transcend computing.

      I don't have iPad or Mac or iPhone. I have an iPod full of music, and haven't bought a single thing from ITMS. I prefer buying tunes on CD and ripping them, because they can go on ANY device I want. I'm not locked into anything Apple.

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    21. Re:MS is doing that by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not the same, though. The point that Ray Ozzie is trying to make is that, at some point, Microsoft needs to stop following the industry and become the one the industry follows again.

      Windows Phone 7 is great, but Apple was the one who popularized smart phones as we currently know them. Tablets are coming to the market with Microsoft software on them, but Apple was the one who popularized tablets. For years, before the iPod changed Apple, Apple made ends meet because they had a fervent fan base and catered to them. It didn't hurt Apple that they were always playing catch up because they had total control over their environment. They made money on software and hardware. Microsoft is in the unique position of being a primarily software based company. If sales of Windows plummet, they don't have that kind of closed system like Apple has to keep them chugging along. Additionally, Microsoft is such a huge company at this point, they have to be an industry innovator again or face crumbling apart.

      I agree that Microsoft is making waves to change their image. They're the "cool" company (in the US) when it comes to videogame consoles and no one EVER saw that coming. Zune has its diehards (and rightfully so, the Zune HD is terrific hardware). Windows Phone 7 might get its following, that's yet to be seen. And Windows 7 is just a pleasure to use, IMO. But the PC market is shrinking at a rapid pace and the only other market that MS is #1 in right now is videogame consoles...and that's not the cash cow that Windows and Office are.

      Microsoft is literally sleeping on the chance to expand the xbox brand and make it the only box you need in your house for entertainment. Xbox SHOULD be the industry leader in iptv right now, but they're not. And that's a crying shame...because our other two players are Google (who's going to eventually throw something free on the table and leave it to a hundred vendors to shape it into a usable product) or Sony (who's going to try to tie everything into purchases and season passes, not true iptv) and I think that Microsoft, as a company that's not tied to advertisement (Google) or owns huge assets of media (Sony) could shape this market in a way that's good for consumers and runs off of hardware that's already existing. It would also secure Microsoft's spot as console leader for generations to come.

      Microsoft is sleeping on all sorts of opportunities now. Ray Ozzie, stating this as an insider, is really a doom and gloom statement from an investors standpoint.

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    22. Re:MS is doing that by clang_jangle · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they're doing so with a log of interesting innovation.

      At least we can agree it's a "log".

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    23. Re:MS is doing that by TedTschopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with the Zune was that Microsoft was fighting yesterday's battle with it. This is the same problem with the Windows Phone. The Smart Phone market is almost run its course and Microsoft has taken too long to respond. Microsoft needs to be fighting today's battles, not fighting yesterdays wars.

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    24. Re:MS is doing that by BobMcD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, you missed it. One more try, then.

      Apple is not a "computer company" the way Microsoft is a "Windows" company.

      In that light, Apple is an "iTunes company". Period, the end.

    25. Re:MS is doing that by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPhone is not called a "Mac Phone". And for good reason.

    26. Re:MS is doing that by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay the make control systems. But that company was a merger of The Curtiss company as in Glen Curtiss and the Wright Engine company an in the Wright Brothers.
      The company that made the P-40 fighter plane and the Engines that powered a good percentage of US aircraft in WWII including but not limited too the B-17 Flying Fortress, the B-25, and the B-29!. After the war they produced the engine for long range aircraft.
      Until the Jet came along.
      They failed to make the leap and are now a relatively small company compared to their main rival.
      They did survive but I would say that they went from being a major player to being a supplier.

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    27. Re:MS is doing that by mikestew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Granted, one's quality of life shouldn't depend on winning concert tickets. But the point stands: Windows Mobile phones (and I've got a pile of them on my shelf) sucked as phones. Even on the speedy-for-its-time HTC Advantage, the phone keyboard lagged. Punch a key, wait, key is highlighted and tone is heard. Repeat. IIRC, every WinMo phone I had did this to some extent.

      I don't care if MSFT promises a pony with every Windows Phone 7, crap like that made me swear off WinMo for good.

    28. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You, along with many others, liked Courier because it was a fantasy. It was never a real product, just a fake rendering of a very interesting idea. Its main purpose was to distract interest away from Apple's tablet, and it appears to have done its job for some (although not nearly well enough to keep the iPad from becoming a huge success).

      But the truth also is that Microsoft has a huge dominance on computer market and that isn't going anywhere.

      That's true, but not the point. The point is post-PC. MS is extremely weak on that front, and just like Sony losing their lead from the Walkman to the iPod, MS's huge lead in the PC world won't amount to much in the non-PC world.

      Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it!

      It's not going to happen. I'd suggest you give up on it, at least for the time being. Otherwise you'll be in perpetual frustration. It's like wishing expectantly for wizard powers. By focussing too much on the non-real, you pass up on the real. MS teased you with the Courier, but what they gave you, later than promised, was a shitty Windows 7 slate from HP.

      Say what you will about Apple, but at least they promote real products that they actually deliver. You say screw iPad, you want Courier. Well, sure, but iPad has the supremely important feature of actually existing.

    29. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Over 14 million iPhones and 4 million iPads sold last quarter. It will take a *lot* of hipster-anecdotes for Samsung Galaxy or WP7 to reach numbers like those.

      So the point is, right now, I don't think anyone is too late to the party, as it's just getting started.

      You're right, but iOS has a huge head start, and Android is catching up to iOS. That doesn't leave a lot of room for WP7.

    30. Re:MS is doing that by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple was the one who popularized smart phones as we currently know them. Tablets are coming to the market with Microsoft software on them, but Apple was the one who popularized tablets.

      The problem that Microsoft runs up against again and again is that they're a software vendor, not a hardware vendor. Sure they sell xboxes, mice and the odd webcam and zune, but for real hardware they depend on the hardware manufacturers, and it's very very hard to get the likes of HP or Dell to innovate on Microsoft's behalf. Things are further complicated by the fact that Microsoft, as a software vendor, has to be reasonably hardware-supplier-neutral. They last thing they want to do is get in bed with Sony and then piss off Toshiba.

      Apple does well because they sell hardware, not software. Sure they have some great software on their hardware platforms but they start with the hardware. The fact that installing OS X on a piece of non-Apple hardware is a breach of the license shows how firmly they're in the hardware camp.

      When you own the hardware and the software, you can truly innovate when it comes to gadgets - When you only own the software, you can't.

    31. Re:MS is doing that by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft was fighting yesterday's battle

      You've nailed it! Everything Microsoft is doing is reacting to the changing market, change introduced by others. Microsoft isn't able or willing to disrupt their own business. Maybe they shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with being boring and mature (Oracle and IBM make billions being boring).

      What has Microsoft being doing the last couple of years? They showed some vision by investing in Facebook, but then spent months trying to buy Yahoo!? It's just bizarre.

    32. Re:MS is doing that by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You aren't really listening. iOS is designed fro the ground up to be a touch-based OS. It sits on top of a specialized OSX platform. Android is similar, but is made by Google and sits on top of Linux.

      Windows Phone 7 is also designed from ground up to be a touch-based OS (unlike WinMo, which was more pen-oriented). So? What does branding have to do with it all?

    33. Re:MS is doing that by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WP7 about 2-3 years behind the competition. It's only saving grace is it's different and the OS upgrades are supplied by Microsoft.

      Courier was concept art, just an idea. The fact it was seen to be cool and got killed just shows how badly run Microsoft are. They're almost as bad as car companies who draw up amazing looking concept cars only to have them made ugly by consulting the great unwashed on what they want.

      Forget the imminent Microsoft tablets, they're just PCs in a small form factor running an OS with a small veneer of touch usability. Instant on? nope, fast bootup? nope, long standby time? nope. They've been around since 2001 and there's been as many sold as Apple has sold iPads (which were only released this year).

      iPad works because all of the applications it runs have been designed for a touch screen OS. There is no windows or icons to drag, no start menu, no filemanager, no double tapping the screen, no reset button and best of all, no silly plastic stylus to lose.

      If you want a touch screen computer, at least buy one that an OS designed for touch screen. Even the former head of the tablet project at Microsoft couldn't get people on side for the project, it's why there's no touch screen version of Office.

      HP and Microsoft shares fell following their tablet announcement, which shows how (un)impressive it was:

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/186172/why_the_microsofthp_tablet_is_a_big_disappointment.html

      There's only so many times you can rehash the same old rubbish.

    34. Re:MS is doing that by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Xbox 360 is a fantastic product? So you've never owned one have you?

      I owned one, which lasted about 3 years before it RRoDed, BTW. I replaced it with another one. I'd say it's a fantastic product.

      RROD pops to mind and the overall 16.1% failure rate over 6 to 10 months use.

      Yes, yes.

      Plus the fact that it didn't support an HD format for games,

      Maybe I don't know what you mean by "HD format" but... yes it does? Duh? Xbox 360 games are HD by default. Hell, the original Xbox spit out 480p by default, and 1080i if games wanted.

      no Blu-ray support now,

      I don't care about that.

      no Bluetooth support,

      I can't even imagine a universe where I'd care about that. It has wireless controls, wireless IM keyboards, it just lacks the Bluetooth protocol specifically-- who gives a shit about the protocol if it has all the same peripherals?

    35. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fitness in the context of evolution doesn't refer to physical fitness.

    36. Re:MS is doing that by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it was in the sperm wars documentary.

      You know if I saw a video online titled, "Sperm Wars", the last thing I would conclude was that is a documentary.

      My first thought would be something out of Japan, and it does not involve whales.

    37. Re:MS is doing that by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      In my high school, for example, the jocks were generally seen as losers and the band kids (who were also quite nerdy) got the pussy. The were "fitter" Darwinistically.

      Are you sure you are not posting from an alternate universe?

      I noticed Slashdot made some changes with the javascript but....

    38. Re:MS is doing that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm actively looking forward to being able to ditch my iPhone for a Windows Phone in a year or two. I hope Microsoft doesn't manage to screw it all up.

      I absolutely agree. Sometime in the next two or three years, Microsoft will almost certainly release a phone that is technically just as capable as the iPhone is today.

      Of course, it will probably run yet another incompatible Microsoft Mobile OS, probably called "Microsoft Windows Awesome Phone Great Job", and there won't be hardly any software for it, except "Microsoft Netflix Hulu SilverFlash Zune VideoStreaming App", Halo, and Tetris.

      And six months after that phone is released, Microsoft will drop support for it when they release the "Microsoft Windows Cloud Appliance 2013." To the end user, the only real difference will be that it will be incompatible with all the old applications, and Halo will be constantly connected to the network. This will drive up huge roaming fees for rural customers.

      But I kid. I can still listen to all my "Plays for Sure" songs on my Kin, right?

    39. Re:MS is doing that by alc6379 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you really been paying attention to the latest Windows OS's? Server 2008 isn't "monolithic"-- if you look at Server Core, there's not even an "explorer" to run. There's just a command shell, sitting on top of the Windows kernel.

      I'm not a fanboi, but I do give credit where credit is due-- It's been a long time since Windows was as monolithic as you are suggesting. It is just as modular as any other OS now-- they just don't provide the users the opportunity to change the shell or other components. In this sense, it's perfectly reasonable to say that there's a modified Windows kernel, and WP7 just has a different interface to that kernel, same as iOS, or Android.

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    40. Re:MS is doing that by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In case you forgot, Apple is a hardware company. You can't compare Apple and Microsoft on the software level because Apple is also making the hardware. iTunes is just the centralized app they use to sync media across those devices and is not a valid comparison to an OS. You don't even have to use iTunes to purchase apps anymore.

      The point is that Microsoft wants to put Windows on everything. Apple wants to sell hardware devices. That gives Apple an advantage in product flexibility, from workstations to pocket music players to TV addons. Microsoft doesn't have control over what hardware is popular in the market, so they have to bend Windows to it and try to force the idea that it's all Windows, and Windows is great. Apple isn't trying to sell OS X. It's a technical advantage that iOS is based on OS X's foundations, but that's not the point of the iPhone.

      To summarize, the point of a smartphone to Apple is to have an amazing smartphone. The point of a smartphone to Microsoft is to run Windows.

      P.S. People who end their posts with "period" are obnoxious.

    41. Re:MS is doing that by haruharaharu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Jocks get the pussy, so yes they are the fittest, and so long as they continue getting laid, why change? The nerds and geeks around here (seattle) do pretty well for them selves, but the secret is this: own yourself and don't take any shit and be attractive - you will get some too. You don't have to be a jock or a meathead, but it helps to be in decent shape and have some physical skill (unless you like disappointing your sackmates).

      All that pretend crap you're talking about is just getting in the way - bail on it, find what makes you happy and just TALK TO THEM LIKE THEY'RE NORMAL.

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    42. Re:MS is doing that by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it doesn't. Because Apple's stores make perfect sense exactly as they are. Incrementalism implies some other end goals, but the way things work now already explain the current status.

      What's worse, is your imagined end goal of Apple locking people into the Mac App Store completely contradicts Apple's current methodology. Locking people into the Mac App Store won't make Macs more appealing, it will make them far less appealing. So much so in fact that I'm quite certain that if they ever made it mandatory, people would leave Apple in droves.

      In order to keep selling Macs, Apple has to make Macs more attractive than PCs. A locked-in store won't do this. It will do the exact opposite.

      So your theory requires that Apple would give up on their core business (hardware) in order to force people into something that hardly makes any money. Something that can only exist as long as people buy their hardware in the first place!

      It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    43. Re:MS is doing that by IainCartwright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The innovation that interests me is that i can buy one of a range of handsets but my OS gets updated by microsoft.
      If microsoft lives up to their promises i will have copy and paste, and limited multi-tasking, and presumably other cool stuff 12 months down the track.
      I would love android to succeed but i fear it will be harmed when customers are pissed off paying $800 for a phone that their carrier refuses to update to the latest version only 12 months down the track. How may 1.5 owners will get 2.2?
      apple got it exactly right with the iPhone - they deliver iOS updates. The downside being you don't have the choice with the hardware (not that the harware is bad - i love my iPod Touch).
      The evil guys here are Telstra, Optus and Vodaphone (insert local equivalents). Maybe Google should step up to the plate for once and take some responsibility by distributing with the same model as Apple/Microsoft?

  2. The last line is the best part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Sent from my iPad"

  3. A tip. by eepok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The future of the PC is not immediately viewable from the window. One must step out and look around.

  4. Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the love of all that is good, I sincerely hope Ray Ozzie's choice of the term "Connected Companions" was solely so that this message could be interpreted by the buzzword-based PHBs at Microsoft, and not a hint that he wants to turn the next company he goes to into the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

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  5. Where would we be without Microsoft? by kawabago · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot further ahead! Better computer security, fewer viral plagues, faster software, more open standards, better interoperability, cheaper software and support. Microsoft is just a drain on the economy that we can't afford in this economic climate, just ask the London Stock Exchange.

  6. Prosumer by tepples · · Score: 2

    Among video game consoles sold in North America, Xbox 360 is the only one that officially allows game development by prosumers. It's not perfect, but it's better than what Sony and Nintendo offer.

    1. Re:Prosumer by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you 12?

      pSony, Nontendo, crApple, Diablow?

      No, scratch that, my kid at 8 is more mature than that.

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    2. Re:Prosumer by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, I'm wasting my employer's time. What's your excuse?

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  7. That's a memo? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That "memo" runs more than 3500 words. If that counts as a typical memo over at Microsoft, I think they've got another problem beyond the one Ozzie's term paper discusses.

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  8. Ballmer in 10 years.. by skywatcher2501 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steve the plumber!

  9. The great fallacy by js3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The great fallacy nowadays is that everything should be designed for the Apple consumer.

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  10. He can send email backward in time? Amazing... by Heretic2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    To: Executive Staff and direct reports
    Date: October 28, 2010
    From: Ray Ozzie

  11. State by copponex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As wireless internet access becomes even more robust, the first company that can deliver a solution to keep a user's "state" consistent across all of their devices is going to be the winner. It's a problem that the industry has been working on since the dark days of syncing your contacts up through a USB1 connection to a palm pilot. I imagine it's why Apple is building their enormous data center - they are about to make manual data management a thing of the past. A slick interface could yield some badass results for stepping your data to a network volume if it's unusually large, and then streaming backups during off-peak hours to iBackup or whatever you want to call it. Otherwise, every time you start to edit a doc, the filesystem is intelligently streaming the backup directly to their data center. If your laptop gets nicked, then you log in to your me.com account, destroy the encrypted volume if they connect it to the internet, and grab another laptop and a few hours later you are back up and running.

    Computers are going to disappear - your information will be always available from any device with an internet connection. You'll just have a variety of interfaces to it, from your phone, to your media viewer (iPad) to your netbook (I mean MacBook Air, Steve!) and your desktop. They will all sync intelligently, and store larger, non-streamable information locally on SSD drives. Only video creators will be forced to continue managing physical volumes until 4g goes nationwide and uncapped.

    It's a good idea, and a fucking bummer that Apple is the only company doing it.

    1. Re:State by icebraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's the whole point of ChromeOS (but not limited, it can be used in any OS), combined with Google Docs, Gmail, Google Calendar, Picasa Web (photos and videos) and Google Reader.

      Personally, it's not my cup of tea (I've moved to my email and photo hosting to my home server recently), but saying Apple is the only one pushing for a web based OS is ridiculous.

  12. Management, culture or people? by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or all of the above?

    I sometimes wonder if MS senior management isn't full of guys making good money, looking at how much time they have until retirement is a real option and thinking "If we can just string this Windows/PC model along for a couple more years, I'll be set. Retire in my late 50s. Second home (or boat or ....) paid for. Enough savings to live off until 401k money kicks in."

    I can see where it could almost become a cultural mindset, coupled with a financial analysis that says the "real money" comes from Windows, Office, Exchange & SQL. Everything else (phone, tables, hardware, software, etc) is a half-assed feint to keep Wall St. quiet, keep key industry experts locked into long employment contracts and out of the hands of competitors, and occasionally hit the lottery when something sticks to the wall.

    Or is it the actual management model? Keep the Windows/Office core profit engine running, fuck around on the margin and assume you can manipulate the market enough to keep your dominance forever?

  13. Majority != geeks by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've already purchased my last Apple, Nintendo and Sony products for my lifetime.

    You'll find a lot of geeks who agree with you, but the majority does not. The majority "can live with the restrictions without really owning anything". And the majority spends more money on products than the geek subculture: less per person but far more people. That's why video games targeted at the majority come out on consoles, not PCs. How should we as geeks try to convince the public that consoles' restrictions aren't worth the loss of an end user's right to do what he wants with what he owns?

  14. You Gotta Fight! For Your Right! To Parr-tay! by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows Phone 7 : Too Late to the party ...

    Or perhaps it saw that the party was being held on a Sunday night, knew it had work to go to the next day and decided not to go.

    Meanwhile, Apple (which had a great time and was the life of the party) turned up at work late, badly hungover and looking like death. After failing the drugs test, it was finally let go by the Company, around the (same time that Microsoft was given that promotion) and went into a sad decline, never able to move on from its college partying days and accept that its popularity with the cool college kids didn't mean long term success.

    Err... to be honest, that sounds like there should be a metaphor in there, but on reflection I doubt it. It was just my extrapolation of one colloquial expression to the point of drivel. Sorry folks :-/

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  15. Not quite by acomj · · Score: 2, Informative

    > they're not looking for 'superior' so much as they are looking to lock users into their
    > App stores.
    Actually not quite right.

    This would make sense if....
    the app store was launched with the iphone. But it was in fact an afterthought.

    Originally Apple wanted everyone to get "Apps" which were web based (javascript/ html) things online. Developers wanted to write more persistant application that would run without an internet connection, thus one year later the App Store and the SDK.

    Sometimes you make a device and the market shows up.

  16. How does... by sracer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the reality of the Kin fit in with your fantasy view of Microsoft?

  17. To take a Fark favorite by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "LOL WUT?" The smartphone market has run its course? You are kidding, right? Smart phones are going to continue to sell strong as ever. While they may not grow a ton, people have to stop pretending like growth is all that matters. It smacks of wet behind the ears stock investors who have no sense of scale or history.

    Smart phones are going to be a huge market until, well, someone figures out something to replace the phone. I haven't even heard of any ideas along those lines much less products. So I think it is safe to say the market has decades, or more, of life.

    Also you might notice that in terms of OS the battle has not been won, nor may it ever be won. Symbian didn't win (it was by far the largest), BlackBerry OS didn't win, iOS hasn't won, Android hasn't won. The fight is on going, and it may well go on forever. Given the locked down nature of phones and carriers, there may not be the push for a single platform like there was with PCs. There people wanted software portability, but you don't get that on phones anyhow.

    Also you might note that MS is and was in the mobile market. Windows CE smart phones have been around for a long time and while not huge weren't trivial either. This is a (needed) revamp/update, not a new entrance in to a market.

  18. Can anyone at MS write in English? by eikonos · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I haven't finished reading Ray Ozzie's memo yet, but it's written in the same sort of tortured English I've seen from a lot of people at Microsoft. I don't know why they can't write clearly, or why they need to include the word "innovation" so many times, but I suspect it reflects the corporate culture. One particular sentence jumped out at me. This sentence includes the word "innovation" and is full of big words, and yet nearly empty of meaning.

    "We’ve seen agile innovation playing out before a backdrop in which many dramatic changes have occurred across all aspects of our industry’s core infrastructure."

    It's a boring sentence trapped in a boring, verbose memo, so I found it a new home in a Philip K Dick story:

    "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. I watched agile innovation playing out before a backdrop in which many dramatic changes have occurred. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. [pause] Time to die."

  19. It's Google you should worry about by dachshund · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computers are going to disappear - your information will be always available from any device with an internet connection ... It's a good idea, and a fucking bummer that Apple is the only company doing it.

    I absolutely agree with most of what you say here -- the company that does transparent "cloud" sync/storage best will win the game. Unlike you, my take is that Apple is actually way behind in this area, while Google has a convincing, if not insurmountable lead. This isn't about Android, though you can see it a little bit in the way that Android devices instantly populate themselves via the 'net using only a Google ID. By contrast an Apple iDevice won't even turn on until you plug them into a desktop via USB. You can also see it in the piece of crap that is Apple's current .Mac offering ($99/year for, basically, stuff you can get for free elsewhere, with minimal device integration --- yes, I pay for it and I'm ashamed).

    But mostly you don't see Google's advantage, because it manifests primarily in the unglamorous, invisible stuff like cloud infrastructure. Google has an order of magnitude more server capacity than most competitors, and absolutely crushes Apple in terms of the user data it holds, not to mention its (still nascent, but growing) customer base for services like Mail, Docs, Maps and Apps.

    Apple may show up to the party one of these days --- maybe they'll get 'net-based activation by iPhone 5. But what people fail to understand is that moving from a device business to a cloud business is a not a natural transition, and so far Apple has demonstrated no real instinct for it. To give a silly analogy: at the moment Apple is building the grandest, prettiest castles in town, while Google is buying up all the roads and sewers. One day I fear that Apple will realize how badly they need that infrastructure in order to keep building, and Google will be the only one who can provide it.

  20. Compare and contrast with J. Allard by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Compare and contrast Ray Ozzie's farewell with that of another recent high-level departure, J. Allard. These men, at the heart of technology for all their adult lives, were in positions of the highest influence at Microsoft. They're obviously both brilliant, and not needing to cash a paycheck. They see a change coming - a huge change - and they want to be a part of it. They don't see that happening while they work in Redmond. So they go. But on the way out they look back at the poor souls they leave behind and they tell them in their farewell: "You too can be a part of this new world. You just have to think different." The door swings shut with a click and the obvious conclusion remains unsaid: "but you won't."

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