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Scientists Propose One-Way Trips To Mars

vortex2.71 writes "Invoking the spirit of Star Trek in a scholarly article entitled 'To Boldly Go,' two scientists contend human travel to Mars could happen much more quickly and cheaply if the missions are made one-way. They argue that it would be little different from early settlers to North America, who left Europe with little expectation of return. 'The main point is to get Mars exploration moving,' said Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University, who wrote the article in the latest Journal of Cosmology with Paul Davies of Arizona State University. The colleagues state — in one of 55 articles in the issue devoted to exploring Mars — that humans must begin colonizing another planet as a hedge against a catastrophe on Earth."

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  1. Little difference? by IrquiM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least they could breathe and had water when the colonized America.

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    1. Re:Little difference? by huckamania · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just ship corpses, which will save a lot of money and time trying to figure out how to keep the humans alive on the way there.

    2. Re:Little difference? by cronco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They had to spend months with only what drinkable water they could carry, which was at that time as daunting as it is now to carry the fuel(energy) needed to get to Mars

    3. Re:Little difference? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, if sending LIVE people...is this voluntary, or can we vote who goes to Mars one way.

      Frankly, I've got a LOT of politicians in mind that I'd happily vote off the planet!!

      :)

      But seriously, if nothing else, why not take volunteers from people on death row, that were sufficiently intelligent? Go through training, go to Mars, stay there and you get to live.

      I figure some of them might take the choice, and we'd be solving a few problems at once that way...

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    4. Re:Little difference? by mark72005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You obviously haven't seen the documentary that Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in on this topic.

    5. Re:Little difference? by sick_soul · · Score: 5, Interesting

      hey I am not in a death row, and I would volunteer. I am already well trained for that mission.
      If they provide enough resources for a lifetime, I would not feel more alone on Mars than right now here among billions of people who do not give a shit about me.

    6. Re:Little difference? by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      It worked for Australia.

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    7. Re:Little difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they provide enough resources for a lifetime, I would not feel more alone on Mars than right now here among billions of people who do not give a shit about me.

      I would miss you. Posting AC so I won't ruin your despair.

    8. Re:Little difference? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      But seriously, if nothing else, why not take volunteers from people on death row, that were sufficiently intelligent?

      I already see the ad. "NASA looking for experienced geologists and planetologists. Requirements: at least 2 PhDs, at least 1 capital offense. Must be willing to relocate. Huge travel bonuses!"

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    9. Re:Little difference? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Any settlers to Mars would need certain things provided to them, regularly, for the foreseeable future (at least a year or two):

      * air
      * food
      * water

      There's no technical reason not to launch all the equipment the settlers would need to be self sufficient in those areas all at once in a Project Orion vehicle.

    10. Re:Little difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But seriously, if nothing else, why not take volunteers from people on death row, that were sufficiently intelligent?

      I already see the ad. "NASA looking for experienced geologists and planetologists. Requirements: at least 2 PhDs, at least 1 capital offense. Must be willing to relocate. Huge travel bonuses!"

      Hans Reiser?

    11. Re:Little difference? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As ol' Dr. Zubrin says, put out the call and people will be lined up coast to coast. What is with people being unable to look beyond their own mindset? Saying things like "I wouldn't do it so why would anybody else?" Is like saying "I don't like onions so why would anybody else?" It's just stupidly narrow-minded and egotistical. Even if "most people" wouldn't go, you don't need millions. You just need a handful, and out of the billions on the planet I'm pretty sure you could find hundreds both willing and able (in terms of psychiatric and intellectual health) if the call were public enough, and even then you'd probably only be able to make use of a dozen (and even that would be one of the largest space-faring crews ever).

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    12. Re:Little difference? by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree that Mars will be a bit quiet, but internet connectivity will be slow to continue from there the development of reiserfs.

    13. Re:Little difference? by imakemusic · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have died of dysentery.

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    14. Re:Little difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other future news,

      In recent months, there was a significant rise in capital offenses. Criminologists are puzzled by the shift in intelligence level of the offenders; one in twenty convicts now has at least one PhD title.

    15. Re:Little difference? by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Define "worked".

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    16. Re:Little difference? by Zaurus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ick. Then they'd both go and there would never be peace on Mars.

  2. OK Boys by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK boys, I need someone to take one for the team. The world will celebrate your sacrifice long after you perish on this journey. We'll even see if David Bowie will do a new version of "Major Tom" for you.

  3. Sign me up! by NikolaiKutuzov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Three years ago I would have happily signed up for such an adventure, even if it was one-way. To be part of that, oh wow. These days, with a wife and a child, I guess I'll envy those who go, but wont be amongst them.

    So I dont thinnk there be volunteers lacking, Even though I dont know wether they ft the general requirements of mental stability to be locked up in a can for a year. Even the early colonists of the Americas expected to make some money and then return. And even in the Americas it was a three month voyage on a ship, not a year in space.

    But hell, what a ride.

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    1. Re:Sign me up! by MaXMC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Taking the notion of the RED planet a bit far aren't you?

  4. Re:do you still have to pay child support? by BeardedChimp · · Score: 4, Funny

    About 15 years ago my dad told my mum that if he had the chance for a one way trip to Mars he would take it even if he wouldn't last very long.
    She wouldn't speak to him for a week.

  5. Re:Did anyone else... by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're seeding technological infrastructure, why send people at all? Send ships of robots and parts, once the robots have assembled the habitat, pressurized it, prepared gardens, located water and what not, then you send people to live there.

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  6. Re:China will do this by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That treaty won't be worth the paper it is printed on once some entity that has enough resources to defend its property rights actually makes a large investment in space.

  7. Re:Does anyone else feel that this article... by abigor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no shortage of land on Earth. Canada alone could comfortably fit billions, assuming they don't mind living in a periodically cold, hostile environment that is still infinitely friendlier than that of Mars.

  8. Re:if the us doesn't do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ding, ding, ding! We have a new meme!

  9. Re:unethical by delinear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yesterday was Remembrance Sunday here. If we have in the past and can continue to send people to war with a realistic chance that they'll die, then what's the issue with sending someone on such a noble endeavour as this. At least they will know their lives advanced all of humanity, instead of advancing a few inches into no man's land or paying the ultimate price for the enrichment of a few billionaires arguing over resources.

  10. Forget about colonization by rollingcalf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If humans screw up the earth to the point where it becomes unlivable, our species deserves to just become extinct.

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  11. I'd go. by Fzz · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm in my early 40s. In 20 years time (when they'd be ready) I'll be in my early 60s. My kids will have left home, and I'll be looking forward to an unexciting retirement. I'm reasonably fit, I've got 20 years of experience as a scientist, some experience as a pilot, and I'm a pretty good general purpose engineer. I'm also pretty self-reliant. Probably roughly the sort of person they'd want.

    Would I go? You bet I would. I'm quite serious. I'd far rather do something incredible and useful with the little time I have left than sit around gardening or playing golf.

    I'd still go if I knew there were only enough resources to last me 6 months on Mars, and then I had to quietly pop the little red pill. Trading 6 months doing something completely amazing for 20 (expected) rather boring years going slowly senile seems a pretty good trade to me. I'll bet there are quite a few people like me out there.

  12. I'll go. by RMingin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Send me, a half dozen inflatable greenhouses, enough plants to eat/breathe from, and some quonset-type buriable shelters. I'll be standing by for any other stuff you'd like done, can get a lot more science done than a rover, and will be happy to have my paycheck handed over to my wife and kids here. Of course, if you end up sending along my wife and kids, and some other folks, I'll plant a flag, declare independence, and do my best to sieze the planet as soon as I'm self-sufficient.

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  13. But why even need volunteers? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes you could find people willing to go on a one-way trip. Even people who are qualified. Sure.

    But I don't see the point in sending anyone until we've done enough robotic exploration, excavation, processing, manufacturing, and assembly where there would already be pre-constructed habitats and stores of fuel.

    And once you've got a pre-established mechanized facility for people to arrive at, I see no reason not to just wait a little longer until the fuel stores are larger, and a return trip is feasible.

    I'm 100% for manned exploration. But I think the time when the only possible human exploration is of the one-way-trip variety and the time when we are far better served by robotic exploration are largely the same.

    I mean we aren't talking visiting other solar systems here which may necessarily be one-way. If we can't bring people back from Mars then it's due to a serious lack of technical capability and resources. So, let's use robots until we've fixed the capability issue, and use the robots themselves to fix the resource issue.

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