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Canada To Mandate ISP Deep Packet Inspection

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian government has proposed new legislation that would require ISPs to install deep-packet inspection capabilities. The proposal includes a laundry list of surveillance requirements, police review of ISP employees and technologies, and the mandated disclosure of a broad range of subscriber information without any court oversight."

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  1. Time for all websites to go https by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And use ssh or equivalent for everything else. The criminals/terrorist will already be doing this , its only ordinary Joe Public who the authorities will be snooping on. As usual.

  2. Re:Just goes to show... by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, I think this is actually kind of a good thing...

    Next up: Canada leads in public adaptation of strong encryption while engaging in all online activities.

  3. Re:Who foots the bill? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    news: its not expensive. networks TAPS are commodity these days. dpi is something 'every box' does (or plans to do). no longer really a differentiator.

    I work in the networking field and over the last 10 yrs I've seen a burst of boxes that offer 'security' and other things but mostly they are there for LI and DPI. its the new fad in datacomm and all the governments are into spying on their people. its profitable to supply boxes to such governments and corporations.

    since everyone (vendors) are offering port monitoring, tapping and DPI triggering, it won't be too expensive.

    cost is not what we should care about, here. its the widespread use and 'well, everyone else is doing it' acceptance of DPI in our lives. that's what annoys and scares me the most; the fact that its so 'everywhere' now. and it seems only us techies really know this.

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  4. Re:Just goes to show... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope. I cant access youtube at the moment, but there's a video of Canadian Ezra Levant being interrogated by his own government. His crime: He published a cartoon with a Muslim.

    So much for free speech. Looks like Canada is becoming even more tyrannical than Australia.

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  5. Re:Why... by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Power corrupts. Absolute power...

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  6. Re:Let's Just Hope... by Barrinmw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is, that when governments get an ability to do something, they have a bad habit of misusing that power.

  7. Good, they will love it by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So basically, you are sending them a red flag that you got something to hide? SMART!

    PGP-nerd: "Gosh, I got a 4096 key, nobody is ever going to break this, I am safe"

    Agent A to Agent B: "We can't break his key, break his knees."

    Freedom is NOT won by finding loopholes around laws but by fighting bad laws.

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    1. Re:Good, they will love it by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agent A and B's supervisor: "You spent 2 days finding this guy based on seeing a PGP header in some packet, brought him in for questioning, he turned over the key the first time you threatened him, and now you have his LolCat pictures? And then since you didn't secretly execute him, he told the press what happened and now they're talking about me on the TV news? I've had it with you two. You're fired."

      Agent C: "Boss, I have no problems with secretly executing everyone we find."

      Supervisor: "Great, I'm sure no one will ever find out about that, thereby getting me into any kind of trouble. That sounds like a perfect plan!! No wait, I just realized, that's totally batshit insane, isn't it? You're fired too, Agent C. Agent D, we need to reserve the secret executions for the important stuff."

      Agent D: "But how do we know what's the important stuff, until after we threaten people?"

      Supervisor: "We don't. I guess this is the end of trawling the whole fucking internet looking for random things that might turn out to be interesting."

      Citizens: "Yay, we won."

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  8. Re:Why... by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is awesome.

  9. Re:Just goes to show... by Gribflex · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please be aware that we don't have 'Free Speech' laws in Canada like those protected by the First Amendment in the USA.

    What we have instead is a freedom of expression (Section 2b of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms). The Freedom of Expression is very similar, but not quite as wide reaching as those rights protected by the 1st Amendment in the US Constitution.

    One of the subtle differences is that you are free to express anything you like, as long as neither the message, nor the means of conveying that message, is considered illegal under another law. There aren't many cases where another law infringes on the freedom of expression, but one notable example is the Canadian Hate Crimes laws, which prohibit the proliferation of hate material based on ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, etc.

  10. Re:Let's Just Hope... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The War on Some Drugs is a big money loser. We spend billions on it and on incarcerating non-violent offenders.

    Yes, but his point is that for the agencies and private-sector corporations who are maintaining and supporting that "War" ... it is extremely profitable. Those billions are going somewhere, and those groups have a vested interest in lobbying Congress to keep the "War" on for as long as possible. Corruption of the highest order, when you get right down to it.

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  11. Re:Just goes to show... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You make it sound so innocent but here's the facts:

    - 3 years of Mr. Levant's life wasted trying to defend himself
    - $50,000 of " " money wasted " "
    - $600,000 of taxpayer dollars wasted on the investigation, interrogation, and later backpedaling by the government
    - hours of video of interrogations on youtube - priceless

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  12. traffic analysis by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What don't you like about Geist? He's done great work at slowing down bad copyright legislation (though I'm a bit out of the loop recently).

    Surveillance is 99% traffic analysis (constructing the social network, and colouring certain nodes red) and only 1% about the particulars of the conversation. SSH won't raise any red flags, unless you SSH into a well known onion router. Suppose one person in a thousand does this. These people take a moderate hit on their spook agency credit rating, and a smaller stain spreads outward to their primary affiliates.

    I think you have to do a bunch of stuff to have your credit rating fall low enough to devote human resources to sussing you out. Too many sheep, not enough shepherds, who cost real money. Purchasing a holiday condo in Peshawar would really rack up the points if you're desperate to justify wearing a tinfoil hat.

    The big Canadian ISPs won't complain because this creates a barrier to entry for small ISPs who can't afford to staff an office of conformance.

    What sucks in this plan is the lack of judicial oversight. That's just plain wrong. Oversight is foundational to democracy. This is the same PM who is trying to gut Statistics Canada (on the bogus pretext there has ever been a privacy issue) because the data they produce is too credible, and can be used to justify social spending.

    I would like to think it would be practical to have all (judicially supervised) surveillance requests opened to the public 50 to 75 years after the fact, so that we can look back and form an accurate opinion about the past scope of abuse. Every democracy needs the occasional dental checkup.

  13. Eh what? by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    C50: Modifies existing wiretap laws so that instead of having to rely only on mechanical interception it allows the use of actual monitoring tools on internet connections. But you still have to have a warrant for it. And extends the existing tap law to cover internet related crime such as: "if there's mention of another crime, or purpose of trying to commit another offence, or planning to commit another offence, or is working as part of a conspiracy, or commissioning an offence", and the AG must be a party to the understanding of the warrant, and extentions to the warrant my only be extended by a SC judge, or AG, and my not exceed 3 years.(useful to know that the average long-term investigation in canada is ~4yrs), blahblabhblah, 1yr major criminal issue(terorrism, criminal enterprises aka organized crime) warrants may be allowed, exigent circumstances and so on. Usual stuff, if you need the warrant modified you must go back and have a judge authorize it.

    C51: I'm not seeing anything earth shattering. Except that if someone commits a criminal offence to which has been modified, the ISP isn't to delete the offending content which wasn't admissible before, but rather they must preserve all information to ensure that there's a continuity of evidence. And it modifies existing mischief, and impersonation of a person(aka written/published/print/etc) to cover electronic communications.

    C52: Again nothing earth shattering, but rather it requires ISP's to be able to allow CSIS, the RCMP and other police services the ability to monitor communications with a warrant, and as such be able to it within a reasonable period of time. This includes that the ISP must have up to date information on their subscribers, including their home address and IP address, but this can only be disclosed by warrant. However if exigent circumstances exist and an officer has reasonable and probable grounds to believe a person is in immediate harm, they must be able to disclose this information. Even then the officer must still within 24hrs, submit a request and a full explanation of why they used exigent circumstances for the information. And like all 3 of these bills, the officer must maintain a chain of evidence, and have it submitted on a regular basis. It can not be done without permission, all requests will be audited on a regular basis, and will be tracked. And police services that request any of this will pay a fee for such information. Oh and earlier on it covered that any form of interception must not impede the networks in any shape or form, or violate the telecommunications act.

    To me it looks like Giest is going off on a tangent, I don't see anything covering deep packet inspection or to mandate it. Rather that ISP's must be able to have the tools, and allow police to use the tools with a warrant provided by a superior court judge, or via the AG of the province--who will have to explain to the court why he gave permission for the warrant, the ability to track, copy, and find information. Again with a warrant.

    Now the interesting thing in Canada is, warrants are very hard to get. When I say very hard, I mean very hard. They're not that common place.

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  14. Checks and balances by microbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It implies that any government with any power will misuse it.

    There are checks and balances in our system for a reason. They are based on a model of human nature that brought us democracy in the first place. It is a thoroughly conservative model of human nature by modern standards.

    So... my question to you is, why should the government be circumventing judicial oversight? Why is the government all of a sudden so trustworthy, as do deny what we know about human nature? Is it because it is Harper, and you are a conservative yourself? That would be ironic.

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