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Emergency Broadcast System Coming To Cell Phones

gambit3 writes "The Emergency Broadcast System that interrupts TV programming in times of crisis is jumping to a new format where it might be able to reach you better — on your cell phone. The communications company Alcatel-Lucent announced Tuesday that it's creating a Broadcast Message Center that will allow government agencies to send cell phone users specific information in the event of a local, state or national emergency. It will be similar to the TV alerts in that the text messages will be geographically targeted for areas where a tornado alert or major road closure, for example, is in effect."

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  1. oh good, but then slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, it starts off as a good idea, but then we start getting "Amber Alerts" for cities hundreds of miles away and tornado warnings for towns hundreds of miles away and it just becomes another level of spam

    1. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1, Redundant

      You mean you don't welcome our new disaster-warning-texting overlords?

    2. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by necro81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you not see the part in the summar about "It will be similar to the TV alerts in that the text messages will be geographically targeted"? I suspect that they'll broadcast messages to those phones that are within reception of a given cell tower, not for cell numbers mapped to addresses in a given area.

    3. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with terrestrial radio / TV broadcasts is that if any portion of the radio's coverage area includes a weather warning, they have to broadcast it to the whole area. So you get situations where WNOR, which can be picked up as far south as Elizabeth City, NC, has to broadcast a warning that has no impact in Norfolk.

      This system sounds like it could go by individual cell towers, though, which have a much smaller coverage area.

      (The Amber Alerts will probably still get you, though, because they tend to get broadcast over pretty huge areas to begin with.)

    4. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by Satan+Dumpling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Assuming they are for a reasonable range, maybe the Amber alerts will at least be more useful on cell phones. I find the ones on TV extremely annoying because I can guarantee no lost child is in my house in view of my tv.

    5. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by silverglade00 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I find the ones on TV extremely annoying because I can guarantee no lost child is in my house in view of my tv.

      Given your user name, I would suspect that the last five words you said are an important qualifier.

    6. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      Better yet, wait until the National Weather Service gets in on the deal, every weather alert will mean a message every hour. These will of course include "OMG It's snowing in Upstate NY, everyone panic, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!".

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    7. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Well, I've never been to Virgina, but it looks like Norfolk and Elizabeth City are only about 40 miles apart or so.

      As I live in Denver, a 40 mile drive is just a few minutes longer than my daily commute. If there are tornadoes near my work and I'm at home, you bet your ass I want to know about it. Likewise, if I'm driving home, I can't hear the tornado sirens in Denver, and it would be nice to know if they're going off or not.

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    8. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by icebike · · Score: 1

      But you don't know how it will work in practice.

      My cell area code is no where near where I live. Even the billing address (paid by my work) is in another state. I'd hate to start getting notifications from the area where headquarters is.

      I hope (and suspect) that it is tower dependent. It may well be, because it is Alcatel-Lucent doing it (hardware vendor).

      Its clearly(?) not JUST a software solution that could be cranked in at the Carrier's headquarters.

      (Those carrier wide SMS solutions are not fast enough to do this, and they swamp the Signaling channel upon which SMS are delivered, meaning no incoming phone calls can be signaled just when you may need them most).

      So it sounds like they are going to introduce something else at the radio tower level.

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    9. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by jrumney · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you don't know how it will work in practice.

      Cell Broadcast is a standard feature of GSM that has been there since the start. Usually the only feature enabled is area code or area name, but there is support designed in for all kinds of information services. At least on GSM networks, it would be foolish to use anything else. The tricky bit will be to automatically subscribe existing phones to the new emergency alert service, unless there has always been a code reserved for this and phones are already automatically subscribed to it.

    10. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      But you don't know how it will work in practice.

      Cell Broadcast is a standard feature of GSM that has been there since the start. Usually the only feature enabled is area code or area name, but there is support designed in for all kinds of information services. At least on GSM networks, it would be foolish to use anything else. The tricky bit will be to automatically subscribe existing phones to the new emergency alert service, unless there has always been a code reserved for this and phones are already automatically subscribed to it.

      Yes, well, with my luck they'll finally roll it out just as 2012 hits, and the first message I get will be: "You are about to die."

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    11. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Parent is correct.

      We a system like this in Australia for emergency warnings: bushfires, cyclones etc. It works by sending an SMS to all phones currently connected to specific cell towers in the emergency area, irrespective of network, phone number or anything else.

      This is actually a very accurate way of doing things: it guarantees noone outside that area (well, further than a few dozen km away) will receive an unnecessary warning.

    12. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by bell.colin · · Score: 1

      Hahahahahahaha "Amber Alerts", "Tornado Warnings", SPAM? don't make me LMAO too much.

      "The Emergency Broadcast System that interrupts TV programming in times of crisis" HA!

      CRISIS MY ASS the only time i ever saw these damn things was the fucking annoying tests running 2-3 times a day. (Conveniently run during the height of the plot of some show)

      They didn't even run the damn thing on 09/11/2001, So what would constitute an "Emergency" for this so called govt. money (possibly millions$) sink-hole called "EBS" anyway?

      I'm glad i switched from Cable to Satellite (DirectTV will have me as a customer just for the fact that they don't running these damn things)

    13. Re:oh good, but then slippery slope by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

      I assume you meant the broadcast channel / categories the phone is capable of receiving. The CMAS broadcast channels, also known as message identifiers, are relatively new. They do fall within the range of public warning system categories which have been around a while. Phones on the market in the US typically haven't needed to pick up broadcast signals since there was no one broadcasting on them. Phone manufacturers are working on their phones to pick up broadcast signals, and deal with the CMAS requirements. Over time as subscribers change out their phones to newer models and network operators add this capability more phones will be getting this new signal. Which broadcast categories you receive theoretically can be done independently of the network operator. They may want to program your phone in a way they prefer and you may or may not be able to change it, it will depend on the carrier and phone, etc. I suppose there is an opportunity for smart-phones to do something interesting with CMAS messages.

  2. will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    will you have to pay for incoming texts? and maybe even roaming text fees as well?

    Will it still work if you have texts blocked? (as to not have to pay for incoming texts?)

    1. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I Really doubt it they'll charge you for it. If they can have Toll Free phone numbers I think they can manage toll free Text messages.

      And if you block texts, I suppose that'd be about the same as having your TV turned off - or not hooked up to any input.

    2. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by will3477 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you bring up some really good points about fees that cell phone companies charge, but I think this is an easy case where you say the cell phone companies are not allowed to charge for these messages and that they by default go to all numbers although I could see allowing an opt-out list (i.e. we have cell phones on most of our vehicles to let them report location, speed etc to us, and the cell phones are in enclosure where the driver can't get to them, so the message notification could get annoying for the drivers). Overall I really think this is a good idea. Luckily we have pretty good tornado sirens where I live, but I've been at the pool on a beautiful day with the kids before only to have the tornado sirens go off and within 20 minutes there be a really bad storm. I've also really complained about the lack of traffic information; one day they closed S.R. 161 but they just had a police officer there directing you to not go on the on ramp without any explanation. They closed it as it was very icy and cars (including the salt trucks) were merely sliding off of it. My daughter's day care was on the corner of 161, so I wanted to know why the road was closed, for how far, expected open time etc. Another time this would have been useful was when a firetruck overturned in front of my apartment complex. It was just south of the entrance, so Columbus police were directing residents to approach if from the north while Blendon officers (who were there as a courtesy as its outside their jurisdiction although they share the department whose firetruck overturned) were threatening to arrest people who tried to approach from the North or who got out to tell them CPD was directing them there and did they have an ETA when they could go home (several of my neighbors were arrested and the situation didn't get better until wifes complained to CPD who used a parking lot to go around the accident and relieved Blendon).

    3. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      will you have to pay for incoming texts? and maybe even roaming text fees as well?

      Of course! Free market, baby! Or are you some sort of socialist that wants the government to plan what stuff costs?

    4. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Amouth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More than likely they aren't going to bother trying to send it to a number.. but rather have the towers in the effected area send out the broadcast message to all associated radios

      the ability to do this exists already - your phone would get it and accept it because text blocking is done at the exchange level not the phone (it could be done at the phone but 99.999% of the time it isn't)

      i'm sure wouldn't be billed because if they send it at a tower level and not exchange level their normal billing message counting system would not be in place and would have to be changed to support it - which i doubt would happen as this would be just yet another government mandated thing.

      while i like the idea - and i completely understand and agree with the need for something like this..

      i'm more concerned with it's use as security theater abuse (have it only send to radios in air ports? can we have some fun with that?)

      Also.. all the dumb asses on the road yapping on their phone - texting their friends - doing everything but driving..

      now just imagine.. your going down the road and EVERYONE - EVERYONE gets a message at the same time - and they all check their phones at the same time.. this could cause some serious accidents.

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    5. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Sparhawk2k · · Score: 1

      Verizon at least already has a system in place for free texts. They send them occasionally for account/billing information and they don't get counted against your usage. I'm assuming it's the same thing.

      But having them blocked is an interesting one... Obviously if they're free that solves the problem if that's why the person blocked them. But if they have other reasons and you send them anyways that might be an invasion of privacy. Though really, you don't sign up for them to do it on TV and they do. It's for emergency purposes only...

    6. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by EdIII · · Score: 1

      now just imagine.. your going down the road and EVERYONE - EVERYONE gets a message at the same time - and they all check their phones at the same time.. this could cause some serious accidents.

      Are you kidding?

      If it was just a message everybody getting it at the same time could be dangerous in your scenario. Now imagine something like, "Farmville will start charging tomorrow". Bloody wreckage everywhere.

    7. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by rwa2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, don't worry, you will pay for it.

      But instead of a nickel or a quarter per alert, it'll just come as another mandatory "911" fee on your monthly statement, for your convenience. You'll end up wishing they only charged you a quarter per alert ;-P But the government will negotiate the rate for you, so you will be guaranteed that it will be fair.

    8. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      ..ly generous to the carriers. :P

    9. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      and of course the carriers will bitch about how much it'll cost to implement the service and roll it out to each tower and how their techs will have to walk up hill, both ways, in 10' of snow, barefoot, to get to the towers... so they'll raise their rates to pay for it....
      the only thing the emergency warning system does is fuck up my DVR and annoy the hell out of me when i'm trying to watch tv....
      get off my lawn and leave my damned media devices alone..... assholes....

    10. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      uh yah.... so when the officer directs you that the road is blocked, if he can't be bothered with an explanation, call the station and ask... surely they know WHY they sent him out there....

    11. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      This is not necessarily new - they have had opt-in free text messaging services in different areas of the country for at least two years now. Will the carriers start charging if it becomes nationwide? Yes. Have they up to now? Not where I used to live.

    12. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by eleuthero · · Score: 0, Troll

      I am in favor of "unfunded mandates" and "public service" announcement requirements - if the government can require television broadcasters to carry public service announcements without paying them and requiring no payment be billed to viewers (and they can - the FCC governs the bandwidth allotment of individual towers and channels), then I see no reason to think they will be unable to require ATT / Sprint / etc. to carry free messages (ATT already does for Amber alerts on a voluntary basis).

    13. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>"911" fee on your monthly statement

      I guess I'm really lucky. My cell company (virginmobile) has a monthly cost of only $0.00 per month. I only get charged for calls or texts I make (18 and 10 cents), plus 6% sales tax. That's it. No hidden fees or universal service/911 funds.

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    14. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      For some of us - 10 cents a text would destroy bank accounts. I can't remember the last time I was under 25 texts a day (which would be 75 dollars a month, just in texts). I've gone up into the 100+ texts a day when trying to plan things with friends and mass texts.

    15. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by schnell · · Score: 1

      That's it. No hidden fees or universal service/911 funds.

      Probably not for long. Pre-paid wireless accounts in the US have long been exempt from funding 911 service but there is legislation working its way through congress to change that.

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    16. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      This is not necessarily new - they have had opt-OUT free text messaging services in different areas of the country for at least two years now.

      There, fixed that for you.

      Have you ever tried to opt-out of any of these 'call everyone in the vicinity' emergency warning services? The day the local paper carried the story of how proud the local Sheriff was that they had paid to provide this "service" to the local residents, I called up the company they said was providing the service and said "I opt-out. Do not call me." The phone tree I had to navigate included options for "clients" and "activations", but nothing for victims of a "client". I finally got a real human. At first she couldn't understand what I was asking for. I wasn't a client, and they don't deal with "just people". Then I explained it in detail. They had no clue about how to implement that instruction. Not a hint. They hadn't even thought about it before.

      So far, it hasn't been activated, so I don't know if they figured out how to exclude phone numbers from their lists or not. I have made a point of telling my local emergency manager that I do not appreciate being on unsolicited calling lists, but I don't think it went further than that.

    17. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Pre-paid wireless accounts in the US have long been exempt from funding 911 service but there is legislation working its way through congress to change that.

      Not only that, but cities and counties are getting into the act, wanting to add franchise fees to cellular services to pay for E911 and public safety dispatch call centers. The ever-money-hungry city and county pols are unhappy that cell phone callers can clog the lines of the 911 PSAP without paying to fund the call answerers. They don't see the ability of a cellphone customer to make an immediate report of a traffic accident, as opposed to driving to a payphone and calling it in, to be of any public benefit worthy of subsidy. That, and more people are dropping landline phones and the associated access fees and charges and taxes in favor of cells.

      Now, as an old-timer, I know that franchise fees are supposed to be payment for the use of public rights-of-way -- in exchange for $X per sub the cable company can run their cables on city easements and whatever, for example. Cell services don't have that cost to the city so there is no reason to have a franchise fee. In fact, cell companies AREN'T franchised by the city or county so a franchise fee is just a dishonest way of calling for a tax.

      Our fair city tried to push a cellphone tax through a couple of years ago. It failed miserably because it was a tax that they put up for a vote. They just added "fees" to our water to pay for sidewalk maintenance and free bus service for all, so I don't doubt that the time the cellphone tax comes up, it will be a franchise fee instead.

    18. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but cities and counties are getting into the act, wanting to add franchise fees to cellular services to pay for E911 and public safety dispatch call centers. The ever-money-hungry city and county pols are unhappy that cell phone callers can clog the lines of the 911 PSAP without paying to fund the call answerers.

      Yeah, those money-grubbing politicians and those who work as emergency call answerers and dispatchers are ruining everything for everyone.

    19. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Another reason why the North American system of the ~receiver~ paying for things is really, really dumb. AFAIK they don't do that anywhere else.

    20. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow! A teenage girl on Slashdot.

    21. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by atisss · · Score: 1

      Haha, this always makes me smile to see that some operators charge for incoming texts :p

    22. Re:will you have to pay for incoming and roaming by Petaris · · Score: 1

      Blocking texts just means they block it at he telco. I have blocked texts but I still will receive one from Verizon if I change my account password on their site. But I don't get charged for it. That also goes for the texts that they send your data usage info in, no charge for them.

      So to answer your question, I am sure that you would still receive emergency broadcast system text messages. As one of the posters below mentioned it will probably be another mandatory fee on your bill though. :(

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  3. You mean... by God'sDuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reverse 911 is fantastic. Just ask our neighboring town to the south that didn't use it when their water supply was contaminated. Yeah. My coworkers spent two days in the bathroom instead of 10 seconds reading a text.

    1. Re:You mean... by hellkyng · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Got to see it successfully used when my neighborhood had to be evacuated for a forest fire. They kept us up to date on about 15 - 30 minute intervals with evacuation news. It would have been amazing to have it available from the cell phone at the time. I remember running around everywhere preparing to get out of the house, it was irritating to have to drop what you were doing to find the traditional phone. Sounds like good stuff.

    2. Re:You mean... by swanzilla · · Score: 1

      That is one shitty anecdote.

    3. Re:You mean... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Funny

      What the FUCK? You actually DRINK tapwater? You got what you deserved. Tapwater is only for showering and perhaps dish washing (if you're cheap). In the real world, we drink only bottled water, and possibly San Pellengrino if we're at a coffee shop. Grow up already. Those who sacrifice convenience for security deserve neither.

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    4. Re:You mean... by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tell that to our receptionists that had to go around and erase a voicemail in all our unused phone extensions (that have direct dial numbers) when the sheriff's department sent out a missing person call. Why this one person warranted reverse 911 in a major metropolitan area, I'll never know.

      I don't have a problem with reverse-911 in general, just the particular details as to when it's implemented. In California our expensive traffic indicator freeway signs were re-appropriated for abducted child "Amber Alerts", and more often than not, don't show traffic information any more. I can see other things slowly clamoring for the same access.

      Who gets to decide the announcement and radius?

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    5. Re:You mean... by PseudonymousBraveguy · · Score: 1

      I'm not quite sure if you are joking (you probably are, but my irony detector is miscalibrated today), and I can't say anything about the quality of tap water in the US except that it tastes horrible due to the amount of chlorine they put in this stuff, but in some countries tap water is as clean or even cleaner then bottled water. In Europe, at least, tap water is required to be of a drinkable quality; and if your country does not need to chlorinate the water, it's pretty common to drink it. Sometimes, even bottled water is nothing more than bottled tap water (e.g. BonAqua/Dasani).

    6. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the FUCK? You actually DRINK tapwater? You got what you deserved. Tapwater is only for showering and perhaps dish washing (if you're cheap). In the real world, we drink only bottled water, and possibly San Pellengrino if we're at a coffee shop. Grow up already. Those who sacrifice convenience for security deserve neither.

      I feel sorry for you, that you live in a place with such a poor sanitation that the water isn't even fit for dish washing.

      In at least some parts of the US (like Minnesota) it's perfectly safe to drink the tap water (and breath the air, and eat the snow...).

    7. Re:You mean... by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      You do realize that majority of "bottled water" is just tap water sent through a filter? Aside from the tap water being perfectly drinkable in most of the US (i'm sure there are some areas it isn't) for about $15 you can buy a pitcher with a filter, if you need to. You pour tap water in, and you get water that is every bit as clean (or even cleaner) than bottled water.

      The more you know :)

  4. What is next? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Alcatel-Lucent will use the GPS chip in smart phones and estimate the speed at which these phones are traveling and also the text typing patterns and pauses and correlate it with the zigs and zags of the GPS trace. Once it determines it is the case of texting-while-driving it will automatically call 9-1-1 and have an ambul^H^H^H^H^H mortuary van following the car to scrape the remains of the driver off the road.

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    1. Re:What is next? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Alcatel-Lucent will use the GPS chip in smart phones and estimate the speed at which these phones are traveling and also the text typing patterns and pauses and correlate it with the zigs and zags of the GPS trace. Once it determines it is the case of texting-while-driving it will automatically call 9-1-1 and have an ambul^H^H^H^H^H mortuary van following the car to scrape the remains of the driver off the road."

      Err....but what if it is one of the passangers that is doing the texting while in the car?

      Nothing illegal about that is there?

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    2. Re:What is next? by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 0

      They will probably try to make that illegal as well. /s After all drinking while driving is illegal and so is drinking while being a passenger /s
      Big Gov will always try to find a way to control anything they can, even if its not needed and especially when its not wanted.

    3. Re:What is next? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Not with GPS's accuracy, they won't.

    4. Re:What is next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPS accuracy is enough to estimate your velocity to within +/2 kph. It's possible that it's even more accurate now (I last worked on them in 2003.)

    5. Re:What is next? by toastar · · Score: 1

      so is drinking while being a passenger /s

      Not in Louisiana

    6. Re:What is next? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "passangers "

      Passengers I mean...geez, I gotta start using the preview.

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    7. Re:What is next? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "After all drinking while driving is illegal and so is drinking while being a passenger "

      Actually, only until just a few years ago....that too was legal down here in NOLA (maybe even greater LA).

      But, MADD (or DAMM as I like to call them)...helped push it through.

      Used to, if you had a drink in your hand and got pulled over, all you had to do was hand it to your passenger and they couldn't get you for driving with a drink. I'm not sure now tho....I've not read the law in awhile, but even now, I don't think the passenger with an open container is all THAT bad...some type of fine I think.

      On the positive side, we do STILL have to-go cups for drinks to go at bars here in NOLA, and also have drive thru daiquiri shops.

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    8. Re:What is next? by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      Except that the only reason GPS is inaccurate is because of client-side limits (that can easily be overcome--even legally--look at the iphone cell tower/GPS combo).

    9. Re:What is next? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Without differential GPS, you're fundamentally limited to an accuracy of a few meters, regardless of the receiver (ionospheric effects, satellite clock skew). With WAAS and a good signal, you can get that down to a couple of meters. Car lanes are only a couple meters wide. So a zig or zag the size of a lane -- which is pretty big -- isn't reliably detectable.

      Correlating with data from the phone's accelerometer (only when traveling at speeds above, say, 10 mph) would be more reliable.

    10. Re:What is next? by tombeard · · Score: 1

      I remember when they made the drive thru daiquiri stands put on covers (with straw of course) to comply with the local open container law. There is a lot to love about La.

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    11. Re:What is next? by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 1

      so is drinking while being a passenger /s

      Not in Louisiana

      Or Virginia. Nobody knew that until recently when an attempt was made to ban it. The attempt failed.

      The catch is, if a passenger has a drink and the driver smells like it, it's assumed the driver was drinking. Which is likely a correct assumption.

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  5. Uh, would someone care to explain... by goobenet · · Score: 5, Informative

    You guys do realize that EBS (Emergency Broadcast System) was replaced by EAS in 1997, and is now being replaced by CAP (Common Alerting Protocol)... Guess nobody does pay attention to them when they blast em out of the radio or TV... The reason it *CAN* soon go to mobile devices is because CAP is an IP based distribution system instead of an "over the air" distribution system.

    1. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by will3477 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It might help if they didn't still use Emergency Broadcast System during the required weekly tests. If that's the name they use, I don't think its that outrageous to still call it that.

    2. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys do realize that EBS (Emergency Broadcast System) was replaced by EAS in 1997, and is now being replaced by CAP (Common Alerting Protocol)...

      Who cares what they call it now? It was EBS for decades; the new systems are exactly the same as far as people are concerned (unless you happen to work in either broadcast journalism or emergency preparedness.)

      I still "dial" VOIP calls, even though I've never owned a rotary phone in my life.

    3. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The reason it *CAN* soon go to mobile devices is because CAP is an IP based distribution system instead of an "over the air" distribution system.

      Does it support IPv6?

    4. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by s122604 · · Score: 1

      Is that why the new alert sound is reminiscent of an analog modem?

      I've wondered about that, but not enough to actually look into it

    5. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by surgen · · Score: 1

      They actually use the EAS system for weekly tests, what they call it is a different matter. Not that its a big deal though, even after spending a year as a radio station engineer I still use "emergency broadcast" and "emergency alert" interchangeably.

    6. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      No. Nothing dose. :0

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    7. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Dunega · · Score: 1

      Well all of the alerts around here (Southern New England) have been adjusted to say "Emergency Alert System". So it's been done at least in one area.

    8. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by arivanov · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cell broadcast and its use for emergencies has been part of the GSM spec since its inception. WTF is here to implement at all? All you need is to "have a word with the BSC" which inserts this into a paging message going to specific BTSes for specific cells.

      AFAIK, You cannot ship kit that does not have this. At least in EU.

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    9. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is exactly what it is. From the Code of Federal Regulations:

      EAS Codes must use Audio Frequency Shift Keying at a rate of 520.83 bits per second to transmit the codes. Mark frequency is 2083.3 Hz and space frequency is 1562.5 Hz. Mark and space time must be 1.92 milliseconds. Characters are ASCII seven bit characters as defined in ANSI X3.4–1977 ending with an eighth null bit (either 0 or 1) to constitute a full eight-bit byte.

    10. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      When they changed from the Emergency Broadcast System to the Emergency Alert System, data was sent over the air. (thus the odd sounds) It was initially intended so as not to interfere with program viewing and not have people turn off the TV's to avoid the high pitch sound, but only "pop up" a message stating the emergency. Then they decided, gee, we shouldn't let someone watch TV and hear their program, if we can block punchlines in movies and TV shows, so they again silenced the audio, just for their own egos.

      Will your phone text messages get Amber alerts, saying some kid was taken by their now divorced parent? I get some emergency stuff via email now...only problem was I got 12 in the last day, saying it was going to be windy, is windy, and was windy. I now ignore those emails. I'd imagine the same will happen to the texts.

    11. Re:Uh, would someone care to explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell broadcast and its use for emergencies has been part of the GSM spec since its inception. WTF is here to implement at all? All you need is to "have a word with the BSC" which inserts this into a paging message going to specific BTSes for specific cells.

      AFAIK, You cannot ship kit that does not have this. At least in EU.

      CellBroadcast is quite ok as you say. But does not guarantee delivery as some phones have this supplementary service turned off.
      Normal SMS would get delivery reports, but is much heavier on signaling ....

  6. I guess our days are numbered as hams... by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

    ...because unlike the mobile phone network we require a huge infrastructure, high maintenance costs and the careful coordination of government and industry.

    oh, wait...

    1. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Band plans and repeaters are about as complicated as they get. :)

    2. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble is the network of radio fanboys is not evenly distributed nor is it growing in population. Most hams out there are old timers. Not something the community is going to lean on in a few decades.

    3. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      It would be cool if you could use a ham radio to link computers together. Hamnet.
      If it caught on you could say bye to your ISP.
      I know nothing of ham radio but im thinking the bandwidth would probably suck, or else someone would have come out with this already. But like i said I no nada about it.
      Any Ham radio guys/gals out there want to share if they think it could work???

    4. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Christian+Marks · · Score: 1

      We hams should be patrolling with our solar powered Heathkits and hot dogs ready to spring into action. And if that doesn't work, we can turn on our cellphones.

    5. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Christian+Marks · · Score: 1

      Listen, I'd formulate a cogent reply to this if I weren't busy fulminating against national health care on 70cm from my wheelchair and deathbed.

    6. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

      not evenly distributed

      If only there was some sort of certificate of competence enabling a rudimentary understanding of propagation and planning accordingly, this problem might be overcome ;-).

      nor is it growing in population.

      The trouble is that amateur radio has bad PR, so people think that even when it is completely false.

      Not something the community is going to lean on in a few decades.

      If you lean on your mobile phone for disaster relief, you are already doing it wrong. I'm not suggesting that hams alone save the day, just that technical knowledge combined with systems requiring less working infrastructure is preferable during a disaster to idiots with sealed boxes. And we are foolish to increasingly rely on systems assuming an infinitely long period of geopolitical and natural stability.

    7. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only could it work -- it was done long long ago.

      Ham have packet radio, Slow-scan TV, even their own satellites.

      Bandwidth is an issue give the speeds of modern commercial networks, but it was done without any money or commercial interest.

    8. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

      Two one-line attacks on hams in the thread? Elmers aren't like priests, there's no need to be afraid... :-)

    9. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by s122604 · · Score: 1

      Wheelchair? From the hamventions I've been to, the current technology seems to be the rascal/hoveround, payed for by medicare of course...

      Very few people probably get what you are referring to, but I hear you brother

      The crotchety old fart, angry at the world, contingent of ham radio is indeed depressing

    10. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be cool if you could use a ham radio to link computers together. Hamnet.
      If it caught on you could say bye to your ISP.
      I know nothing of ham radio but im thinking the bandwidth would probably suck, or else someone would have come out with this already. But like i said I no nada about it.
      Any Ham radio guys/gals out there want to share if they think it could work???

      you mean like amprnet? we've had the 44 /8 subnet since the 1970s for this very purpose :p

      (and yes it's too slow for www at any normal bandwidth (usually 1200 or 9600 baud))

    11. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by kent_eh · · Score: 1
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    12. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by trapnest · · Score: 1

      Good enough for IRC. I've always wanted to get a packet radio up between a few houses in tampa bay but I've never had the money for it.

    13. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      have they gotten rid of those stupid assed morse code reqs yet? i want to get my general some time before i die, but i can't be bothered to learn something i'll never use....

    14. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by afidel · · Score: 1

      One big problem is any form of encryption is illegal using your HAM license. So no PGP, no HTTPS, no SSH, etc.

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    15. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

      2003 saw IARU actively recommending Morse test requirement removal. Most nations have followed the recommendations for several years, including UK and US.

    16. Re:I guess our days are numbered as hams... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      One big problem is any form of encryption is illegal using your HAM license. So no PGP, no HTTPS, no SSH, etc.

      TECHNICALLY, the rule says that you may not obscure the meaning of the message. If your action is not intended to obscure the meaning, it is technically not a violation. At least, that's one argument I've heard.

      As far as the OP's question: HSMM. High Speed Multi Media. It's WiFi in the 2.4GHz amateur band, which just happens to be the same band that 2.4GHz license-free WiFi uses. I can just run a lot more power than you can, legally.

      The HSMM working group from ARRL came up with an interesting twist on the rules, since ARRL wouldn't put forward a proposed rule to the FCC to allow encryption of domestic traffic above 50MHz (which the ITU treaties allow). They said, WEP keys aren't encryption to obscure the meaning, and if we publish the WEP key then it isn't really encryption at all. So that's what they do.

      However, you still have the non-commercial limitation to deal with, so you can't sell access to your network like an ISP would, and you can't convey commercial traffic.

  7. Oh! Please No! by camperdave · · Score: 1

    The Emergency Broadcast System that interrupts TV programming in times of crisis... It will be similar to the TV alerts in that the text messages will be geographically targeted for areas where a tornado alert or major road closure, for example, is in effect."

    I hope they peg down the geography a lot better. I'm sick of getting severe weather warnings from TV stations half a continent away.

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    1. Re:Oh! Please No! by surgen · · Score: 1

      Thats probably caused by the TV station you watch. The EAS messages are region-encoded, by the county IIRC, and I've never seen a national weather service message with bad region info. Its probably the TV station with a misconfiguration decoder.

      Or are you just watching TV stations located far away?

    2. Re:Oh! Please No! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'm watching cable TV in a different country altogether. The channel in question was broadcasting its EAS messages on the satellite uplink, meaning every cable company subscribing to that feed got the EAS traffic. I haven't seen anything in a while, so maybe they fixed it.

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    3. Re:Oh! Please No! by tweak13 · · Score: 1

      That really should never have happened. As I recall the EAS insert is supposed to be the last device in the chain before the transmitter, thus the satellite feed should have been split off before the EAS signal made it into the feed. This also keeps remote sites from doubling up on EAS messages as all the local cable systems should have their own EAS equipment.

  8. I'm not looking forward to... by Jamori · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...random texts once a week waking me up at 3am indicating that:

    "This is a test of the local emergency cell phone text system. This is only a test. If this had been an actual emergency, hopefully you haven't disabled text alerts in the middle of the night after receiving all our obnoxious tests."

    1. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by jaymz666 · · Score: 1

      Once a week would be nice. Comcast does it once a day around here

    2. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but they're kind enough to nearly blow my TV speakers up by blaring the warning signal about 100x louder than the channel audio. And they do it at 2 a.m., so they can be sure to wake the baby too.

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    3. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my perspective I hate the damn test broadcasts for two reasons: 1) They always seem to interrupt a program at an interesting point, 2) when I grew up there was a much greater chance than there is today that it was not going to be a test but the actual end of the world as we knew it. So yeah, I hate the tests because every fucking time I hear one there's this little "Oh fuck" feeling and if I'm not in the room to see it I have to get up and go make sure that it is actually a test and not time to freak out.

    4. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      ...random texts once a week waking me up at 3am indicating that:

      "This is a test of the local emergency cell phone text system. This is only a test. If this had been an actual emergency, hopefully you haven't disabled text alerts in the middle of the night after receiving all our obnoxious tests."

      Why is this 'Funny'? Obviously the mods don't watch television.

      For most of the country, the number of tests will far outweigh the number of actual useful notices.

      This is more an annoyance generator than emergency broadcast system.

      If this is done, it absolutely should be opt-in only.

    5. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 1

      My school has this setup for all the students, they decided to send one out at 5am warning about some drunk guy raving in one of the buildings about how he had a knife and was going to kill himself. If they had waited till the next day to tell us everything would have been fine, instead it woke up the entire school and people rushed outside to see. I do not miss the dorms.

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    6. Re:I'm not looking forward to... by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

      The CMAS standard calls for a monthly test message. As far as I know phones will be programmed to ignore the test message and not alert the user.

  9. defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like this would be rendered largely moot by DOT plans to disable cell phones in cars.

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    1. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by fructose · · Score: 1

      That's just while driving, at which time it would be covered by the radio. Now they can alert you to a tornado, or tsunami, or other horrible event while you are shopping, or at the beach, or anywhere else where you don't have a radio/TV. Sounds like a great idea to me.

    2. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      So will they also make it mandatory to listen to radio while driving?

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    3. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, fiddling with the radio is apparently just as bad as using a mobile phone while driving.

    4. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I have read this also. So if we can't use cell phones or listen to the radio... I'm thinking some kind of dedicated radio that we're all required to have. Maybe even make it two way -- Onstar paved the way for this.

      Hey, maybe even make it two way visual. We could call it the telescreen and require every vehicle to have one. I'm sure I've heard that before somewhere.

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    5. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by eleuthero · · Score: 1
      I don't see his idea working for a number of reasons.

      1. There are perfectly good bluetooth connection kits coming even as standard packages on new cars today.

      2. Many phones are used now as GPS map systems with voiced directions (mapquest for free on the iphone, garmin, etc. for money). These make you a safer driver than someone trying to read a map while driving (albeit not safer than someone who knows where he's going).

      3. Streamed radio via phone (napster, pandora, etc.). This is possibly the weakest argument but is helpful when taken with the others.

      4. navigators in the passenger seat using the gps phone stuff are perfectly safe.

      5. The most important of all--congressmen who use phones while driving.

    6. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Good points. Add to this the ability to make emergency phone calls. In my state at least, all handheld calls are banned except 911 calls. And of course you can still make handsfree calls, which would also be eliminated by this proposal.

      But what you have presented are arguments for why the legislation should not be passed. They're not reasons it would not be passed. Except #5, perhaps, but congressmen would no more be required to follow the law than they are to participate in Obamacare or any other law that Congress passes that they don't want to follow.

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    7. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In New Zealand the use of a handheld device is banned holding / excessive manipulation to navigate functions (including manipulation of devices such as MP3 players) so you've got to have a hands free kit / bluetooth kit to use the phone. Putting the phone on speaker and then holding it up to your head area is not allowed.

      That said for SMS in the car, I've got an Android handset that reads SMS out-loud. So I leave my phone in a dash pocket with the speaker up loud and I can hear it fine without picking up the phone. Suspect this functionality will become common when integrated with GPS devices - i.e your Navman/ Tom tom pairs with your phone and messages are read through that / interrupting navigation commands or coming in over the stereo etc.

    8. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Right, but none of this will work if you're required to have a device in your car that jams cell signals.

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    9. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Hey, maybe even make it two way visual. We could call it the telescreen and require every vehicle to have one. I'm sure I've heard that before somewhere.

      You are almost there, now just make the cars larger, remove the wheels, stack them on top of each other and hand out tenancy agreements for people to sign.

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    10. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Probably not much larger. The local transit planning authority says a family of four should be living in not more than 800 square feet located by the light rail line. According to my calculator that's 28' by 28', or about the size of my garage.

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    11. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by Sparx139 · · Score: 1

      6. People will find some way around it, even if it does go ahead.

      Technology can't solve a social problem.

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    12. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah. There are already laws providing for massive fines for using a handset while driving. A device in the car would have to have a corresponding law against tampering, with massive fines. So people who disobey the law that prevents you from using a handset while driving would be stopped by the law that prevents you from disabling the cell jammer in your car. Because...

      Because...

      Waaaait a minute.....

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    13. Re:defeated by DOT plans to jam cell signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so that no one goes too 1984 about this: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/18/after-raising-the-idea-department-of-transportation-says-its-not-interested-in-cell-phone-jamming-technology-in-cars/

  10. Reverse 911? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How is this any different from a mobile-specific reverse 911?

  11. Bleh by falldeaf · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm hoping a channel for voice and text will go away, just give me a fast data connection and I'll pick my own services to use. In which case a better system for emergencies would be to disseminate EB messages over a couple different popular channels (facebook, skype, IM) and let people choose their own way to be contacted.

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  12. How will it work for travelling situations? by Jahws · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm curious as to how they plan to implement it, especially because some people do a lot of moving across the country. Will it be able to warn people who are vacationing (or on business trips, etc) of emergency alerts where they are, as opposed to back at home? The article mentions "geographical targeting," but gives no indication of whether this will be done with real-time information as opposed to phone registration data.

    1. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Cell Broadcast is part of the GSM standard, they might simply be using that. The operator can send a message to a cell which is relayed to every mobile logged into it, so if they send a message to all the cells covering a certain area then that's their emergency broadcast.

      Wikipedia

    2. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now I'll get the link right...

      Wikipedia (again)

    3. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by lenzm · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the alerts would be based on whatever cell you are in

    4. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Same way they know where you are when you make a 911 call. They're not going to send you to your Pennsylvania PSAP if you're in Washington. They determine where you are based on your cell phone location and send you to the closest PSAP.

      [John]

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    5. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      great, now all we need to do is get GSM nationwide and make everyone get GSM phones....

    6. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably the carriers would be capable of just broadcasting the message to every phone connected to a particular tower, so it should only hit the people in the right area.

    7. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If you subscribed to Verizon, you fully deserve everything that may fall your way without warning - from Godzilla to alien-launched asteroid.

    8. Re:How will it work for travelling situations? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The idea is to use the tower facilities to signal all devices in range rather than specific phone numbers.

  13. Another fee for Canadians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before this gets implemented in Canada and we get a EBS fee added onto our bills, along with the touch-tone dialling fee, 911 fee, etc.?

    1. Re:Another fee for Canadians? by trapnest · · Score: 1

      touch-tone dialling fee

      Really?

    2. Re:Another fee for Canadians? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      Canada has touch tone dialing? wow...

  14. CBSMS? by Fizzl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Umm, what? There's already cell broadcast messages already defined in the original GSM spec!
    No need to reinvent the wheel!

    These were planned to be used from emergency systems to location specific advertising. Anyone have any idea why it was never used for anything?

    1. Re:CBSMS? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      In NZ, they're used to tell you what cell tower you're connected to. Unless you're on 3G like, oh, everyone.

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    2. Re:CBSMS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because not all carriers use GSM?

    3. Re:CBSMS? by Daz3d · · Score: 1

      I've tried it in the past on Vodafone in the UK. If subscribed to message service # 50 (cell info) it would display the local landline area code (e.g: 0161) on the screen in standby. Fairly useless and the phone manual said it would use more battery life.

      Perhaps the network operators could send out an SMS that auto configures your phone to subscribe to emergency alerts, like they do for enabling WAP browsing etc.

    4. Re:CBSMS? by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Yep same here in Australia - it displayed the tower name (which was the suburb). Kinda useful actually when you are diagnosing poor signal issues.

      Kind of a shame though that most newish phones don't seem to have the cell broadcast option anymore (despite the fact that they all have GSM fallback and the data is still being broadcast). Growing up with various old Nokias, they always had the option (and usually it was on by default). Now phones don't even have the option.

  15. This has been a test.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope once a month I get a long tone in the middle of a phone call and a robotic voice telling me this has been a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.

    1. Re:This has been a test.... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Even better, if you and your party are in different areas, only one of you may get the alert, and both of you will get a dropped call.

      Consider how TiVos behave: kicking you out of your recording and into live TV and holding you there for the duration of the test. Sometimes repeatedly depending on the test being performed.

      Now imagine it happening during a 911 call for rescue with a dying cell battery.

      Of course, I don't think the cell networks could handle sending individual alerts to every handset. The network will need support for sending one godzillagram to which every cell will respond in a one-way party line. And a way to secure it so that a merry prankster can't issue his own with a rogue transmitter.

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  16. This Could Be Cool by lordDallan · · Score: 0

    I want to be in a large, busy area like a crowded mall or a large outdoor event when one of these alerts gets sent out. For some reason, the thought of seeing almost everyone stop and reach for their cell phone at the same time just seems incredibly cool to me.

    1. Re:This Could Be Cool by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I want to be in a large, busy area like a crowded mall or a large outdoor event when one of these alerts gets sent out. For some reason, the thought of seeing almost everyone stop and reach for their cell phone at the same time just seems incredibly cool to me.

      How about when you're standing in the middle of a large outdoor event and 30,000 people all get a serious warning message all at once? Does panic stampede sounds as cool?

    2. Re:This Could Be Cool by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 0

      Depends. Am I in the middle of the 30,000 people or at the edge.
      What Kind of event is it. Is it a Heavy metal concert.
      If I can choose Id like it to be a Rally for Narcolepsy patients.
      "OMG RUN . Zzzz Zzzz Zzz. RUN Away...Zzzz Zzzz

    3. Re:This Could Be Cool by esquizoide · · Score: 1

      The idea of this system is to have information after a tragedy has occurred. So it actually is designed to calm people and stopped them from panicking. The idea is to keep them inform and connected when all other media has failed. Think of: blackouts, earthquakes, floodings.

    4. Re:This Could Be Cool by lordDallan · · Score: 1

      I think that's a bogus scenario. If it's a really severe weather event people aren't going to be outside. If it's a nuclear war, I don't really care about the mob.

      I was more thinking something like a systemwide test. And maybe you mean does a panicked stampede sound as cool? Or perhaps "panic stampede" is some kind of new band and in that case I haven't heard them and don't know how cool they sound.

    5. Re:This Could Be Cool by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Tornadoes have a tendency to blow up in what seems to be "decent weather" conditions.

    6. Re:This Could Be Cool by lordDallan · · Score: 1

      That's fair. I don't recall hearing any stories of stampeding mobs because tornado sirens went off though.

    7. Re:This Could Be Cool by DarthBart · · Score: 1

      Imagine if everyone attending the basketball game at the Georgia Dome in March 2008 had gotten a text message of "EF2 tornado coming!".

      It wasn't pandemonium there because the storm came & went before anyone knew WTF was going on.

    8. Re:This Could Be Cool by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      How about when you're standing in the middle of a large outdoor event and 30,000 people all get a serious warning message all at once? Does panic stampede sounds as cool?

      I vote for watching the traffic cams on an LA freeway. Micheal Bay wouldn't be able to touch it.

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    9. Re:This Could Be Cool by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      The idea of this system is to have information after a tragedy has occurred. So it actually is designed to calm people and stopped them from panicking.

      "Don't Panic. All the houses in your subdivision have burned down. Don't bother going home..."

      I think an alert system is supposed to alert you to dangerous things before they kill you, not try to keep you from panicking after you're dead.

    10. Re:This Could Be Cool by tweak13 · · Score: 1

      If it's a really severe weather event people aren't going to be outside.

      I take it you're not from the midwest. Tornadoes can spring up even in relatively good conditions. For example, I was at a college football game when a tornado touched down only a few miles south of the stadium.

      However, that event is a great example of why the GP is full of crap. Tornado sirens went off, and 30,000+ people managed to calmly move to shelter in the nearby basketball facility. Nobody was so much as scratched. There was some concern later when reports came in that spectators weren't sure what to do, but personally I thought it was handled fine. I also thought it was hilarious that when the all clear was given later, everybody just went back and the game continued.

  17. Look forward to another charge on my bill by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    It seems like there is some kind of a alert or another on television about 60% of the time (the other 40% being ads, when a life-saving warning is obviously impossible).

    Anyway, I can't say my watching experience is enhanced a week later, when I sit down to peruse the TiVo.

    Yes, I can see that it is raining outside.

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  18. I like the idea by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work indirectly for the Civil Defense in my state (disaster control). And I can say that the ability to be able to warn all people in a given area that they must seek shelter or where to seek help after a disaster are priceless.

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    1. Re:I like the idea by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      right, because warning people is part of your job.... good for you, what if i don't want the hassle?

    2. Re:I like the idea by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      Then ignore the message and get killed by a tornado. Gee, that was easy....

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    3. Re:I like the idea by inerlogic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      right, how many emergencies is this thing actually going to be used for, versus how many annoying fucking tests are they going to do every month like the cable company does?

      besides, i don't live in a tornado prone area, i'm not a moron living in a trailer park in the middle of buttfucck oklahoma...

    4. Re:I like the idea by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, you can simply ignore the message. But I guarantee you when I get to send a storm warning, is because the thing is really serious. We (civil defense) know the problems that a false alarm can cause.

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    5. Re:I like the idea by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      yup, i'm a ham and was a member of my local civil defense for years, doesn't mean i need my cell phone to be going off at 2am with an EAS test like the TV does.....

    6. Re:I like the idea by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      right, how many emergencies is this thing actually going to be used for, versus how many annoying fucking tests are they going to do every month like the cable company does?

      Oh no, once a month you might have to delete a text that says "Test" in it? The horror. That of course assumes they do tests at all...

      besides, i don't live in a tornado prone area, i'm not a moron living in a trailer park in the middle of buttfucck oklahoma...

      So then since you live in Nirvana where there are no tornados, floods, fires, chemical leaks, earthquakes or hurricanes, you won't be getting any of those annoying texts warning you of danger. Still seems fine to me.

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  19. pool by mevets · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How long before the access control to this is subverted and nationwide penis enhancement texts start arriving?

    I'll take 3 weeks after deployment.

    1. Re:pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emergency alert: Your penis is too small.
      Please evacuate to the nearest Chinese medicine store.

    2. Re:pool by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

      the "emergency advertisement system" is coming to a cellphone near you!

    3. Re:pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm sorry sir, the pool is closed

  20. Already get these by brusk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After the VA Tech shootings, a lot of college campuses implemented an emergency alert system that includes text messages to students and employees. My campus is one of them. The system is not geographically-aware but rather subscription-based, and so far all I've received are test messages (they announce the tests by email a few days in advance), sometimes synchronized with on-campus sirens. But it seems to work.

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    1. Re:Already get these by Gammyte · · Score: 1

      My campus also has an emergency alert system that is subscription based. I have yet to receive any texts, so I can't judge it's effectiveness, but I feel as if it does work on a smaller scale ramping it to a national level wouldn't be too terrible. Moral of the story: they should consider a subscription-based alert system.

    2. Re:Already get these by demiurg · · Score: 1

      I cannot really compare ETWS/PWS with simple messaging. While text message can be easily delayed by a few hours because of network load or other issues (and massive text messaging will result in a network load), ETWS/PWS was designed in such a way that the network will be able to deliver warning messages to all relevant subscribers reliably, efficiently and in timely manner.

    3. Re:Already get these by whovian · · Score: 1

      Our campus allows you to register a phone number and an email address, but messages sent to phones belonging to non-first-tier resellers such as Virgin Mobile etc., don't get through. I'm not sure who's to blame.

      A government mandated EBS would apparently fix this problem as well as limit the broadcast to phones just in the vicinity of the emergency.

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    4. Re:Already get these by Glarimore · · Score: 1

      My school also has a subscription-based text notification system and I've been signed up for it for just over three years. They have only sent out texts three or four times -- twice about a possible meningitis case on campus, once about a building that had structural damage and became a hazard, and once because of a snow storm and school was cancelled. All in all useful. They send a test text once semester.

    5. Re:Already get these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our campus instituted them too. We've gotten 10 in two years, and 6 of them were due to potential violence on campus. But they too are subscription based. I graduated a year ago and have long since forgotten how to unsubscribe, and still get them, despite also living 800 miles away now.

    6. Re:Already get these by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      RIT implemented that, it will call you, e-mail you and text you continuously. There was a false warning about someone on campus not too long ago. My phone was going crazy in the middle of the night. They claim that students can unsubscribe from it, but the truth is that only faculty can, the only choice student's get is to shut off their phone or give fake info to the school. I don't live on campus, and I haven't for years. It's basically the same form that all of their policies take.

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    7. Re:Already get these by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      A government mandated EBS would apparently fix this problem ...

      Government mandates don't fix technical problems, technicians and engineers who are paid to care do. A mandate won't stop carrier A from pointing the finger at carrier B who points the finger back at A.

      ...as well as limit the broadcast to phones just in the vicinity of the emergency.

      And open the carrier up for a huge liability lawsuit, when they limit the vicinity of the warning and people on the edge get killed because the disaster didn't follow cell-tower boundaries? Sure.

      A mandated cell-phone messaging system will expand to fill the space available, just like the current EAS system gets us test alerts from counties 100's of miles away, because the same cable company serves us all and it's easier for them to put the warning on everyone's TBS or SyFy channel than split it up geographically (because the feed is now centralized away from once was called the "head end". )

  21. So do I sue the city, Apple, or AT&T by blair1q · · Score: 0

    when the asteroid hits my house?

  22. Earthquake potential? by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the common reasons that is given for having no earthquake alert system is that we can only predict an earth quake a matter of seconds in advance.

    The idea of sending a text message to peoples cell phones, if done with some automated system, could potentially be used for this.

    Though the question is how bogged down the cell networks would get, or if they'd have some sort of universal-packet where the cell-towers simply broadcast it to all phones, rather than targeting each phone individually.

    1. Re:Earthquake potential? by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      I get earthquake alerts on my phone from some android app... ...and I don't even live somewhere that has earthquakes.

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    2. Re:Earthquake potential? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory XKCD:

      http://xkcd.com/723/

      Which more than just being funny succinctly explains how an automated alert system is in fact possible.

    3. Re:Earthquake potential? by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what happens. The warning is sent to cell antennas, then any phone covered by that antenna picks up the signal. It's not one-to-one, it's one-to-many, and the sender doesn't know who the receivers are. Now if your cell tower falls over because of the earthquake it's not going to be broadcasting anything.

  23. Old by tsa · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh how modern. We've had that here in Europe for years.

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    1. Re:Old by Dunega · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Good for you.

  24. Is it based on tower proximity? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    This is of course information that the cell companies have for any call (it is how they triangulate where a distress call comes from), and it would make the most sense for something like that. If they instead decided it by area code (or even area code + exchange prefix), it would be really quite useless since people tend to be mobile with their cell phones and likely wouldn't be interested in a disaster that is thousands of miles away at that moment.

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    1. Re:Is it based on tower proximity? by trapnest · · Score: 1

      Your phone wouldn't matter at all It's simply a message sent to "all connected devices" from that cell. Think net send * OMG RUN

  25. its called cell message broadcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and its been around for years, but nobody uses it. I think supporting it is compulsory for GSM phones but nobody ever seems to use it. Was originally intended to be used for this or to do traffic warnings.

  26. When the Threat Level changes... by jayveekay · · Score: 1, Funny

    They should change the background color on your phone to the new threat level. e.g. when the level changes from yellow to orange, your phone background becomes orange, immediately letting you know to take the appropriate action such as heading to Home Depot to stockpile duct tape and plastic sheeting. For extra credit the phone could provide you with directions to the nearest hardware store.

    This scheme may conflict with *Amber* Alerts, however.

    1. Re:When the Threat Level changes... by sjames · · Score: 1

      I might be tempted to hack my phone a bit. For blue or green, the U.S. flag flies proud and free. At yellow, it flaps listlessly and at orange if hangs limp. If it ever hits red, the flag is hanging in tatters and clucking like a chicken.

  27. WTF! Are you serious??? by pushf+popf · · Score: 1

    If I get a text about a giant tornado headed my way, do you honestly think I care if they charge me 20 cents for the "head's up"?

    1. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by whovian · · Score: 1

      No, especially since it's small compared to the cost of gasoline used to storm chase after the thing :)

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    2. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      wait, you live in an area prone to large, violent, dangerous tornadoes, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

    3. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you are in tornado alley, this might be useful.

      I am not. So my ratio of actual emergencies to annoying tests is somewhere around 1:1000.

      I don't care if it's 'only' 20 cents. I don't care if it's free. I don't care if THEY pay ME 20 cents for every message.

      This is an idea so horribly annoying, I'm surprised it hasn't been done sooner.

      Oh, and in the 12 years I've been living the Massachusetts, the 2 times there was an actual emergency broadcast that was not a test, both were complete duds. Of the type, "Snow-mageddon is upon us! Make peace with your deity of choice and prepare to meet thy doom." Followed by clear skies and no snow.

      I have deep, throbbing hatred for anyone who helps this system come to pass, and a strong dislike to anyone who thinks this is a good idea.

      The only way anything like this should be legal if it is strictly opt-in.

      Seriously. This is a bad idea.

    4. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by afidel · · Score: 1

      You mean on planet earth? Because EF3+ tornado's have occurred on every continent. Also the same system could be used for mudslides, forest fires, flash floods, tsunami's, etc.

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    5. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No big tornadoes in the North Bay (north of San Francisco in CA). We get a few of those "dust devils" where the kids go jump in them as the leaves spin merrily about, but nothing worse than that. No hurricanes. Nothing really to "warn" you about as when we have "the big one" (the earthquake) there won't be any warning and the cell towers will be offline by the time they want to text you with "OMG, u OK frum quake, LOL?".

    6. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This is an idea so horribly annoying, I'm surprised it hasn't been done sooner.

      Yeah! Another Bad Attitude! FWIW, I agree with your entire rant.

      The rest of you get off our lawn.

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    7. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      If I get a text about a giant tornado headed my way,...

      Good thing it's a text and not a voice message. It'd be really hard to hear the voice message over the very loud roar of the approaching tornado. Of course, I wouldn't hear the phone beep for the incoming text over the very loud roar of the approaching tornado, either. I guess I better keep the phone in my hand looking at the status page for incoming texts so I don't miss any text message telling me there's a really loud tornado approaching because there's too much noise from the really loud tornado to hear it.

    8. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      I am not. So my ratio of actual emergencies to annoying tests is somewhere around 1:1000.

      For safety, upon the advice of all the local safety experts, I went out and bought a weather alert radio. One of those NOAA SAME deals. I programmed in my county. Set it up.

      In the four years I've had it, I've heard it go off exactly once. I was home on a wednesday afternoon when the regular tests go out. Other than that, I don't know if the damn thing is working because it doesn't show the test messages. They're just tests, after all, so why would the user want to know they took place?

    9. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      wait, you live in an area prone to dangerous hurricanes, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to major earthquakes, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to periodic flooding, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to disease outbreaks, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to violent crime, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to volcanic eruptions, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to rioting, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to wildfires, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to dangerously cold winters, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to dangerously hot summers, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to lions and tigers and bear oh my, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

      wait, you live in an area prone to idiocy, and you haven't left and moved somewhere safer?

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    10. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      no EF3 tornadoes here in MA, no earthquakes either... we get the occasional weak hurricane and nor'easter... but neither of those are likely to destroy everything you own and kill you....

    11. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      nope, don't have any of that shit where i live....

      jealous yet?

    12. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Great Barrington, Massachusetts was hit with an F4 in 1995.

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    13. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by sjames · · Score: 1

      No reasonable person would get steamed about that, but the odds are good most of the messages will be more like "[town you've heard of but never been to] may have a tornado in the next 2 hours" followed by 3 or 4 more updating the timeframe and then an all clear message. No big deal if it's free, but it would get annoying in short order at $0.20 each.

    14. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      But do you really want 6 billion people coming to be your next door neighbor? And, no, I'm not really jealous, because I think that the vast majority of the things I referenced are seriously overblown, and if you've gone to the trouble of moving to a place that doesn't have any of them from a place that does, you've uprooted your life and transplanted it elsewhere for essentially no reason.

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    15. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If I get a text about a giant tornado headed my way, do you honestly think I care if they charge me 20 cents for the "head's up"?"
                Oh, I'm guessing *you* don't care. We aren't talking about you.

                1) Yes, some people are that cheap. I've seen people (both working as a customer service rep at the cable co, and witnessing it from the other end) that will call in to get *a nickel* taken off a bill. People are that cheap.

                2) I have a texting plan, I'm signed up for weather alerts. It'll sometimes send me an alert 4, 5, 6, 7 times. Really if I go to weather.gov or something, the weather alert has been reissued multiple times (with updated info on where the storm is, wind speeds/damage reports, update on when the warning will end, etc.) But the text just says "There's a tornado warning for your area". Over and over.

                But the main point -- broadcast messaging has been supported by specifications for quite a while, and I don't think it'd be possible to bill for it, every phone using a particular site will get the message; it's not sent as a text (which is sent specifically to a particular phone, and the phone actually acknowledges receipt of the message). It's broadcasted, and the phone will not even acknowledge it's receieved the message (a broadcast message would be sent multiple times, with a message # so the phone knows it's the same message being broadcasted over and over.)

    16. Re:WTF! Are you serious??? by inerlogic · · Score: 1

      yup, nearly 200 miles away.... *shakin in my boots*

  28. ETWS by demiurg · · Score: 3, Informative

    This system is called ETWS (Earthquake Tsunami Warning System in Release-8 networks, i.e. LTE and PWS in Release-9. It is being pushed mainly by Japanese cellular operators (NTT DoCoMo, etc) and is probably used already in Japan.

  29. NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DO NOT WANT

  30. We have this in Hawaii by sgtron · · Score: 1

    About a month or two ago (maybe longer,i lose track) a company called "Nixie" put in service (with the city and county of Honolulu) a text and/or email alert service.

    Story from local paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12921149

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  31. What if that tornado tiggers 5 + texts do you want by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    What if that tornado tiggers 5 + texts do you want pay $1 or more per storm? and lots more if are roaming text roaming can be $0.50+ per text.

  32. A typical "Emergency tweet" by goffster · · Score: 4, Funny

    OMG! A toradno iz comin. proced 2 teh nearest evacushun sheltr

    1. Re:A typical "Emergency tweet" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sorry, false alarm. LOLcat on the keyboard.

    2. Re:A typical "Emergency tweet" by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      OMG! A toradno iz comin. proced 2 teh nearest evacushun sheltr

      You joke, but actually twitter is extremely useful for these kinds of things. Since you're hearing direct from other people, you get news of everything pretty much immediately. If there's an earthquake, its all over twitter in seconds (assuming you follow people that live in the relevant area).
      -Taylor

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    3. Re:A typical "Emergency tweet" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orng lites in da sky R a forest fire & Iz near ur haus.

  33. Older than dirt! by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

    I heard about this idea back in *1989* from a guy that was trying to get tornado warnings onto cell phones. The cell sites in the effected area are usually pretty well known, and if those sites are linked to phones, the phones gets a message. Easy, obvious, incredibly useful, SAVES LIVES!

    And here we are still talking about implementing it 20+ years later!

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    1. Re:Older than dirt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its already been implemented:

      http://tornadospy.com/

    2. Re:Older than dirt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah... This has been around for a while, but the FCC has been giving them hell so it has become less of a priority for the parent company. As it turns out only spammers can get away with sending text messages - the legitimate services get hassled. But now that a big government contractor has a "revolutionary" product I guess it is ok (for Lucent)....

  34. Text Speak by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

    I can see overloaded phone lines as everyone will be calling them back to figure out what they were actually saying.

    "Hi I got your text, GT OT VCANO ERPT N 15 MIN TKE UR FAM N PTZ 2 HGHR GRND"

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  35. Tornado Sirens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will we be able to choose custom ring tones for these alerts? I've got a few songs in mind already...

    Tornado - "You Spin Me Round" by Dead or Alive
    Earthquake - "Shook Me All Night Long" by AC/DC
    Flash Flooding - "Waterfalls" by TLC
    Atom Bomb - "Party in the USA" by Miley Cyrus

    1. Re:Tornado Sirens by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      Atom Bomb - "Party in the USA" by Miley Cyrus

      It's Christmas At Ground Zero -- Weird Al.

  36. I'm working on this.. by mtxmorph · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm actually working on the handset side of this, so I can answer some of the questions people have about it.

    It's really not that complicated of a system. It uses Cell Broadcast Services (CBS) which are part of the existing 3GPP and 3GPP2 standards. Some of you may have seen CBS applications in your phones, but they're typically not used in the U.S. CBS is, as its name implies, a broadcast service.. so obviously it's one-way only. If your phone isn't "subscribed" to the particular message identifier (a kind of topic or category), or your phone isn't on when the message is broadcast, you'll miss it. The system has different classifications for messages, from nationwide alerts, to local alerts (like hurricanes), to AMBER alerts. There can't really be any way for operators to charge for broadcast messages, any more than they can charge for other broadcast resources like paging channels, so I think the only way your bill would be affected would be if they do some blanket 10 cent "government" fee for everyone... By the way, the reason they are using CBS is because it does not place a strain on the network, like sending millions of SMS messages at once would (that's important in a disaster situation when people might be overloading the network).

    The special handling on the handset side is to take some specific actions when an emergency message is received.. it has to play a special tone and vibration, among other things. You can opt-out of pretty much all messages, so don't get too worried about being woken up in the middle of the night for AMBER alerts (well, unless you want to receive them). The system supports a monthly test message, but you wouldn't be opted-in to those by default.

    The nature of the cell network allows operators to broadcast the messages to specific cells, so you are not going to get alerts for things happening elsewhere in the country. But the design also allows for national (presidential-level) distribution, so yes, in those cases, everybody would get the alert. The network-side of things is more interesting than the handset side, because of how different levels of the government need to be able to send alerts, and this is mostly what the article talks about (although it's short on details).

    If you have other questions, reply and I can try to answer them.

    1. Re:I'm working on this.. by adolf · · Score: 1

      Good info -- thanks for sharing.

      I have three questions.

      First: Is there any sort of method in-place wherein a message can be repeatedly broadcast, but only alert subscribers on the first successfully received message? This would help mitigate coverage issues inside buildings and other areas of bad coverage, as a message could be repeated several times over the course of a few minutes without being burdensome to those who have already received it, and should obviously have very little impact on the cell network over a one-shot send-and-forget system.

      Second: With what geographic granularity will the broadcasts be sent (or perhaps more properly, received)?

      Third: Is there any pertinent documentation available that I can ogle?

    2. Re:I'm working on this.. by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      SMS on GSM works kind of like this. If your phone is on, you'll get the message. If it's out of coverage or tunred off, the network will resend periodically (and your phone will ask for it when it comes back on). You only receive it once regardless.
      You'd send it to all phones within a particular cell or cell's coverage. GSM phones already have "Cell Broadcast" to support exactly this - in the UK it's often used to display the local dialling code of the area that you're currently in on your phone display. I last used it on some ancient Nokia about 10 years ago. There also exists GSM "Flash" SMS - these are specially formed SMS messages that just pop up on the display - they don't just beep or display an icon, they display the text immediately on the screen of the phone without any interaction. I used to use the same ancient nokia and some PC software to generate these to freak out friends back in the day (also fun sending out operator logo texts - if someone hit "accept" then the "Nokia" logo on their phone was semi-permanently swapped to something slightly more offensive!).

    3. Re:I'm working on this.. by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      A feature I'd like on the handset side is the ability to receive and store messages, but only alert for certain types. I might be interested in seeing AMBER alerts, for instance, but not interested enough to be awakened in the middle of the night. On the other hand, I do want to be awakened for END-OF-WORLD alerts. If this isn't already part of the handset spec, consider it a feature request.

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    4. Re:I'm working on this.. by Malc · · Score: 1

      Is this different to what they've already been doing in Australia? I got a text a when I was there warning of the danger of fires. This was on potentially very dangerous day a few weeks after the devastating bush fires of Feb 2009. I think they sent messages to about 4 million people in the state of Victoria.

      Of course, this whole thing will be rendered pointless and as more spam if they start using it the way they issue these warnings on TV in the US. It seems like messages would come up on the TV if there was the chance of encountering a puddle or spot of sunshine or anything else fairly likely. Total waste of time.

    5. Re:I'm working on this.. by mtxmorph · · Score: 1

      First: Is there any sort of method in-place wherein a message can be repeatedly broadcast, but only alert subscribers on the first successfully received message?

      Yes, that's part of the CBS specification and and the emergency system uses this as well. The messages are broadcast for a set amount of time at a set repetition rate. They also contain serial numbers so that the handsets can distinguish between old and new messages. There is also a provision for sending updates to messages which have already been transmitted.

      With what geographic granularity will the broadcasts be sent (or perhaps more properly, received)?

      I'm not sure how granular it will be in practice, but it could technically get down to the individual cell level. Most likely, the carriers know which cells approximately serve which zip codes and would group based on that. The specs don't say exactly how this should be done, except that the "Cell Broadcast Center" should determine the affected cell sites for the geolocation (geo-code, polygon, circle) of the emergency message.

      Third: Is there any pertinent documentation available that I can ogle?

      There really isn't much documentation which is publicly available. Here are a few things, although they're short on real details:
      Announcements: FEMA FCC CTIA
      Standards (paywalled): ATIS 0700006 Joint ATIS/TIA J-STD-100

      Sorry I don't have links to the actual specifications content. For some reason, you have to be a member company or pay for them.

      I should have referred to the system by its proper name -- in the U.S., it's called the Commercial Mobile Alert System (CMAS). There are similar systems being set up in other countries which closely follow the U.S. specifications, and those systems should be compatible with CMAS (at least that's the plan).

    6. Re:I'm working on this.. by mtxmorph · · Score: 1

      I think this is possible; it should be up to the handset vendor to allow for things like this. The spec allows for users to opt-out of things like AMBER alerts, but I could foresee "opt-out" interpreted as "still receive message but don't alert". The spec also allows the message reception on the handset to respect the current volume level -- if you're phone's on silent, you wouldn't hear the tone, for example (it's debatable whether or not this is a good idea!).

      In any case, you can opt-out of every alert type except one - Presidential-level alerts. I suppose that if Obama wants you to hear about something, you don't have a choice :)

    7. Re:I'm working on this.. by mtxmorph · · Score: 1

      I'm not 100% sure of how the Australian system works, but according to this site it appears to be based on text messages and uses locations based on the billing addresses? It sounds similar in concept but quite a bit different in implementation.

      I have no idea how often messages would be sent out using this new system, but the existing emergency alert system on TV is probably a good indicator. This new system does allow for federal, state, and local agencies to send alerts, so I could see the possibility for some abuse. Thankfully, you can turn off almost all the alerts, so this shouldn't be a problem in practice..

    8. Re:I'm working on this.. by adolf · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info.

      I'm familiar enough with one-way paging (it's part of my job) to be wary about such things performing properly, but it sounds like this is a good system. I'm looking forward to it.

      Now, it just needs to be able to have alerts sent into the network wirelessly. Here in tornado country, where the lines are all stupidly overhead, one can't rely on a cell tower to have connectivity to the real world when the shit hits the fan. I guess that it will be easy enough to do once the handsets adopt the system and the ubiquity of it makes such things practical to look into.

      And finally, one more question: Suppose someone never wants any alerts about anything, ever. It's obviously an implementation detail, but are you implementing it? Or are we headed one step further toward 1984, wherein Big Brother can contact us whenever he wants to whether we like it or not? :)

    9. Re:I'm working on this.. by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      In any case, you can opt-out of every alert type except one - Presidential-level alerts. I suppose that if Obama wants you to hear about something, you don't have a choice :)

      Oh, that won't be abused! I imagine that, with the best intentions, of course, we'll get Presidential alerts on election day reminding us to go vote. And a poignant "moment of silence" message every September 11th. And on Veteran's Day and Memorial Day, of course. And on MLK day.

      And that's if the President sticks to good intentions...

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    10. Re:I'm working on this.. by mtxmorph · · Score: 1

      Glad the info is helpful. I think the system has good potential as another way to get alerts out there if people miss other, traditional channels. Although, if the lines to your local tower are taken out by a tornado, I would hope the alerts go out long before that!

      To answer your question, first you have to know about the types of messages that can be sent. The spec uses 30 total message identifiers, which fall into groups such as Presidential, Imminent-Extreme, Imminent-Severe, AMBER, Test, and Reserved. These 30 identifiers are consolidated into these groups before being presented to the user. This is a bit of a simplification, but you can probably get the general idea. The specification says that by default, phones will be subscribed to all alerts, but that they can opt-out of everything except presidential alerts. So maybe this is a small step towards Big Brother, but at least it is one way only! :)

    11. Re:I'm working on this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, is rather tricky with CB. You do not have the guarantee that phones will receive it ... you may push OTA messages to change the settings but you might need to keep track of all phones attaching to the network.

  37. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if you're charged a mandatory $5 per month fee to get alerts *if* there is a storm.

  38. Only for real emergencies please by houghi · · Score: 1

    I can imagine this being useful for tornado warnings, but please not for closed roads.

    Also there are messages that will show up on your screen and not as just 'incoming message'. At least I was able to send/receive those several years ago when using my PC and the Nokia software.

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  39. Ham Radio even has its own Class A IP address bloc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Internet protocol (IP) addresses in this block are in the 44.0.0.0/8 network and are available to any licensed amateur radio operator. The assigning of addresses is done by volunteer coordinators. These addresses are routable over the Internet."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

  40. Re:What if that tornado tiggers 5 + texts do you w by Cylix · · Score: 1

    Actually, in an area with multiple counties you would see an alert for each county. The alerts can vary depending on if they are a watch or warning. Typically, a storm alert with heavy rains will also insight alerts for different types of alerts (such as hail, flooding, ice, etc). Now, toss in the required weekly alerts and this could generate a fairly large number of messages.

    All in all, if you are a re-distribution point which covers multiple counties there can be upwards of 30 to 40 entries for a small storm which can keep the equipment buzzing for a while.

    I do not miss dealing with EAS systems at all...

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  41. Who decides what information I care about? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

    Do I get to register preferences about what messages I will want to receive, or will some wanker with authority decide that for me? The last thing I want is for the person who decides which messages are important being of the same mindset as the nimrod who thought passengers at an airport need to be reminded every 5 minutes exactly what the list of banned items on airplanes are - again and again and again and again while you wait for your flight. (What's really dumb about that recorded TSA message is that it interrupts other PA messages that are NOT repetitive and thus should have higher priority. What's more important - the message that is identical to the one you heard 5 minutes ago and will hear again 5 minutes from now, or the message that's unique and you'll only hear once? You should never stifle the one-off message with the repeated one, and yet that's what airports do. (I just returned from a trip where I heard my name on the PA trying to tell me something and it got interrupted like this and I never found out what it was about until it was too late. It turns out I had gotten a standby slot on a flight, but missed the chance because the PA system was designed by morons who think recorded repeated messages take precedence.))

    Anyway, I don't want the same sort of moron deciding what messages come to my phone (or worse yet, which ones are allowed to interrupt a phone call) without my say-so.

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    1. Re:Who decides what information I care about? by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

      You decide what information you care about, but emergency agencies will decide what messages will be broadcast. Phones are capable of duplicate message filtering. The FCC CMAS standard says cell phones should be end user programmable to accept these messages or not. The only one you cannot opt out of are so-called "presidential messages" Don't let the name fool you though, even some bigger US cities have said they want to be able to send those messages. Also, service providers and/or phone manufacturers may or may not make their phones programmable.

  42. Hmm, in the "bathroom" you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what they're calling it nowadays? What exactly WERE they doing?

  43. authentication? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how will i tell the difference between a real broadcast and a robodialer?

  44. Taxis? by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    Wow. that will be quite annoying when I'm a passenger trying to make a call from a taxicab on my way to a meeting.

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    1. Re:Taxis? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering about that. On the one hand, taxis will probably be exempt. On the other hand, how are you going to manage that many jamming signals in rush hour? Won't it jam all cell signals for miles around?

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  45. Um... why???? by HotBits · · Score: 1

    The only time the US was actually under attack, they didn't use it. Other news sources are far faster and more efficient. Like my local paper that allows me to subscribe to SMS cell-phone updates.

    See the WikiPedia article for more information on why national EBS is near useless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_broadcast_system

  46. Re:What if that tornado tiggers 5 + texts do you w by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure that no network has any single tower that covers multiple counties. As other posters have pointed out, these alerts would likely be handled at the tower level. Thus, it is unlikely that your phone would receive 30 alerts for one small storm.

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  47. This is a text... by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 1

    ...of the emergency broadcast system.

  48. Australia has had this for a couple of years. by mug+funky · · Score: 2, Informative

    this got introduced in Australia (at least Victoria) after the bushfires nearly 2 years ago.

    would have been better before the fires, but nm.

    it doesn't cost the user anything, costs a trivial amount to the gov't (when you take into account the running around they have to do before sending the warning, the cost of actually sending it is not bad), and it hasn't been abused so far.

    basically you get (or maybe not, or maybe you get it hours late) a message saying "WARNING. EXTREME WEATHER ALERT AT 8PM. STAY INDOORS" or something of the kind.

    i think only 1 warning was sent when there were some very hot gale force winds in the city. it was probably more as a test than anything.

    they didn't send one when the bowling ball sized hail smashed all our cars up though.

    1. Re:Australia has had this for a couple of years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hasn't been abused so far.

      Yes it has, I live in an area which is labelled as the highest risk area for bushfires and they simply use this thing as a Cover-Your-Ass mechanism so if there is ever another Royal Commission they can go "Well we sent SMSs" and it's all because of Black Saturday. So instead of getting alerts when you actually need them they send them every damn time there is even a slight possible risk so they people can't say "You didn't do enough", it's a pain in the ass and is the equivalent of sounding an air raid horn too many times when there is no air raid, people will ignore them and when it does actually occur.

    2. Re:Australia has had this for a couple of years. by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      my apologies... i must be a tad too urban.

    3. Re:Australia has had this for a couple of years. by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      That would be my only real concern about the system. We often get "Extreme Weather Alerts" for perfectly normal weather. "Warning: High chance of thunderstorms today." Wow. Thunderstorms. In Michigan. In the spring. Who could have expected that?

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  49. Great Idea by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 1

    So, will it also warn me that by reading the ever urgent disaster warning about the catastrophic road failure while driving will then cause another catastrophe?

  50. Another cracker's playground by Desert+Raven · · Score: 1

    Anyone want to start a pool on how long it will take someone to crack the system and start sending bogus alerts?

  51. A nice comfort by Sary4827 · · Score: 1

    I have this at my University. If you so choose to provide your telephone number to the online database, you will receive a text. This is helpful is helpful during tornado warnings or other emergency situations. It is not often used, but it is comforting to know that if something were to occur at a time that I didn't have computer or television access, I would receive the alert immediately.

  52. Yes and it's working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/service/safety/areamail/about(Japanese)
    http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1009/29/news093.html(Japanese)
    Japan Meteorological Agency issues alerts to large companies, public transportations and cellphone carriers via dedicated networks. It's working quite well - trains make emergency stop, phones and speakers screams out, and you'll even have a time to make your last tweet before the disaster will hit you!

  53. That's Great by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    ... except for those of us with a technophobe phone

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  54. Doesn't this already exist? by LoadWB · · Score: 1

    I thought the push message functionality does and is for exactly this?

  55. What is an amber alert, anyway by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Not having a television, I have only seen "amber alerts" on highway signs telling me to look for license plate numbers, so presumably they are looking for stolen cars?

  56. American system is sensible, from a caller's view by jabberw0k · · Score: 1
    Long distance calls, which require you to dial ten digits with an area code, cost money to call. Local calls, seven digits, are free to call.

    If cell phones cost money to call -- and widely varying costs at that -- how would I, the caller, know whether I am having to call someone, or how much the call would cost? That is why the costs reside entirely with the recipient.

  57. Re:What if that tornado tiggers 5 + texts do you w by Cylix · · Score: 1

    Actually, originating from a tri-state area I can assure you that it is entirely possible for a tower to cross multiple counties.

    Having dealt with EAS and depending on the configuration there can be several alerts.

    At no point did I say a phone would receive 30 alerts, but it would generally be more then 5 for inclement weather.

    Typically, there is a great deal of filtering that happens after a re-distributed signal is received. Depending on the configuration there can be a lot of clutter that isn't necessary required, but could be potentially passed on.

    You can refute my claims all you want, but they are based actual experience in a real environment.

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  58. break the law, or else... by Zkhammer · · Score: 1

    As important as major road closures and tornadoes are, it is illegal to text and drive at the same time where I live. Thank you, government, for forcing me to either break the law, or drive on closed roads and fly around in tornadoes.

  59. This is a test. This is only a test. by niftymitch · · Score: 1

    I am constantly miffed by annoying tests that interrupt programs. Now a test will go nuts in movies, school, church and gosh knows what and at what hour.

    If it is going to be important the alert for say a tornado MUST be loud as heck. But how the heck can the phone tell a test from a real alarm.

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  60. A system to herd by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    vast flocks of sheeple. What could possibly go wrong?

  61. Forging sender information is beyond trivial. by RichiH · · Score: 1

    I can send anyone on Earth a SMS with any 14 char numeric or 11 char alphanumberic sender within seconds. Forging this is easier than faking Caller ID via our Asterisk.

  62. I work on this ALU product by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

    If you want to worry then you can worry about a non-service provider controlled cell tower spewing out broadcast text messages. Think what a Sanford Wallace could do with that. There was a slashdot article a while ago about a home brewed GSM cell tower. If it can handle calls it probably could send these broadcast texts messages too. The FCC CMAS website is here: http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/services/cmas.html

  63. Re:This is a test. This is only a test. by cbunix23 · · Score: 1

    Good question. The broadcast message contains more in it than just the text, see for example 3GPP TS 23.041. The phones use the message identifier field to decide what cadence to use when handling different types of broadcast messages.

  64. Re:American system is sensible, from a caller's vi by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

    Well, every place else I am aware of has dedicated "area codes" or prefixes
    for mobile phone numbers, so you know just by looking at the phone number.

    Not binding a mobile phone to a location-specific code seems the sensible
    thing to do, but it's probably too late to introduce this in the US.

    Given this, I can understand why things are as they are.
    I can still be annoyed by it though.

  65. Can't understand by dubsnipe · · Score: 1

    Phone companies spam me every day with their promotional broadcasting. I can't believe they're taking so long to use all that for something actually useful.

  66. Cool! by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Cool! I've wondered a number of times why they don't already do this. SMS is suited for it from an architectual standpoint.

    Now we can get SMSs saying "the trees are on fire!" just like we do for SNMP traps on our servers.

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  67. Re:American system is sensible, from a caller's vi by Cimexus · · Score: 1

    Because the number you are dialing is a mobile number. The US is unusual in that its cell numbers look like 'normal' numbers. Which is kinda weird if you think about it, since 'mobiles' are, well, mobile, and not tied to a particular area.

    In most places, you can clearly distinguish a mobile number from other numbers. Either:

    - Mobile numbers are shorter or longer than landlines; or

    - Mobiles have their own area code. For instance in Australia, a number with the 04 'area code' is a mobile number and charged accordingly.

  68. Sirens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Civil Defense sirens in neighborhoods are still the best way to tell people to turn on their radio/TV/etc. to find out what the alert is for. So few people listen to radios, the Emergency Broadcast system becomes less and less effective.

    If you are watching TV over internet, listening to your iPod, or XM/Sirius, odds are you won't find out about the emergency alerts in a timely manner. A gneeric signal that tells people to switch to local broadcasts would be more effective.

    Then again, most of the alerts my city gets are Amber Alerts, which 9 times out of 10 are custody disputes, with no danger to the child. You start to ignore the messages, when they send so many.