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Students Banned From Bringing Pencils To School

mernilio writes "According to UPI: 'A Massachusetts school district superintendent said a memo banning sixth graders from carrying pencils was written without district approval. North Brookfield School District interim Superintendent Gordon Noseworthy said Wendy Scott, one of two sixth-grade teachers at North Brookfield Elementary School, did not get approval from administrators before sending the memo to all sixth-grade parents, the Worcester Telegram & Gazette reported Thursday. The memo said students would no longer be allowed to bring writing implements to school. It said pencils would be provided for students in class and any students caught with pencils or pens after Nov. 15 would face disciplinary action for having materials 'to build weapons.'"

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  1. Fear mongering 101 by assemblerex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure why not when I could just break a chair leg off and bludgeon someone.

    1. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure a sixth-grader has the arm strength required for such a feat. What I'm curious about though, is why the teacher felt this memo was necessary in the first place; TFA doesn't mention this.

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    2. Re:Fear mongering 101 by neokushan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was able to completely dismantle a cot while still being young enough to actually sleep in it.

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    3. Re:Fear mongering 101 by ronocdh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I'm curious about though, is why the teacher felt this memo was necessary in the first place; TFA doesn't mention this.

      When I was in grade school, we used to fling sharpened pencils like crossbow bolts, using several rubber bands for higher tension. It wasn't uncommon to draw blood from these toys... and there would be quite a firefight whenever the teacher turned his or her back toward the class to write on the board. So, I think that's why the summary mentions "materials to build weapons," but it's still a stupid idea to ban pencils.

    4. Re:Fear mongering 101 by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you take apart the cheap-ass Bic mechanical pencils, use a rubber band in a slit in the eraser and then wrapped to the pencil clip, you have yourself a pocket "gun".

      I'm betting the teacher was tired of that.

    5. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      What I'm curious about though, is why the teacher felt this memo was necessary in the first place; TFA doesn't mention this.

      Isn't it obvious, they're worried about weapons. If they bring in pencils they have graphite. All they need to do is purify uranium and they can use this to moderate an atomic pile. Next thing they will have weapons-grade plutonium.

    6. Re:Fear mongering 101 by nschubach · · Score: 2, Funny

      We used bent over paper clips and rubber bands to see how many we could get stuck in the ceiling... and other things.

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    7. Re:Fear mongering 101 by RadioElectric · · Score: 3, Funny

      Comment/signature synergy bonus!

    8. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As Boortz has said, sending your children to a government school in the U.S. is tantamount to child abuse.
      ... and the public-educated pupils from American schools are the clever ones. Private schools in America appear to just exist to take money from parents, and store the children during the day.

      A while ago I used to help out with an ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages) class - we had American exchange students. Students who had made their way to university from state schools in the US read and wrote at about the equivalent of a UK 14- to 15-year-old. Students from a private school background were essentially retarded. They managed to read at a UK high-school level with some encouragement, and struggled to write at that level.

    9. Re:Fear mongering 101 by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I rememeber a classmate bringing a (sharp) sword to class to show off to his friends. No one made a stink about it, becasue he was unlikely to shoot anyone with it. We just weren't scared back then. There was occasional serious violence, which was briefly interesting, but we just went on with life.

      When did everyone become so afraid of everything?

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    10. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My mom had to pay someone to put her sewing machine back together after I was left alone with it for about 20 minutes at 3 years of age... twice.

      No point in take the leg off a chair, just use the entire chair as a weapon.

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    11. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At my high school during deer and duck seasons in the fall, there were enough rifles and shotguns in the student parking lot to start a small war. There was also an ethic that said using anything but your fists in a fight was the ultimate cowardly act. Sadly, neither of those is true today. Now, get off my lawn.

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    12. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Loki_1929 · · Score: 2, Funny

      We obviously just need TSA screeners at the entrance to every classroom and hallway performing Freedom Fondling to make sure no weapons get passed around.

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    13. Re:Fear mongering 101 by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bic pens make the perfect blow gun. The dart is created with nothing more than a sewing pin and thread. Use a dot of glue if you want the thread "features" to stay attached for multiple uses.

      This works well enough to launch a dart roughly 15-20 feet, hard enough to stick in black boards. Obviously it can stick in people and poses a serious risk to eyes!

      Erasers make the perfect place to stow those darts while not in use.

      Extreme caution should be used when shooting ceiling tiles as a miss may result in the pointy end coming back toward your eyes as it falls back to earth.

      Obviously, don't try this. You can shoot your eye out kid!

    14. Re:Fear mongering 101 by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the point, isn't it? People intending violence brought guns - pistols usually purchased the night before for $50, and very dangerous to the person standing next to your target. We had 4 shootings while I was in high school. Three were escalations from girlfriend "stolen" -> fist fight -> gunshot (and in all three, if was a person standing next to the intented victim who left in a ambulance). One was the French teacher getting shot in class (I remember being completely unsurprised by that, so I guess she wasn't well liked).

      We, students and teachers alike, understood that the people not the weapons were the danger, and someone bringing his Ninja Toys to class was no threat to anything beyond his own dignity.

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    15. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Moryath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, in plenty of schools that's exactly what they will do.

      Welcome to the days where school has become nothing but a crappy day-care replacement.

      No, I'm serious. In most public schools, the purpose is not for the kids to learn. The purpose is to pay substandard wages to a bunch of idiots who were too dumb to realize what they were really getting into, give them zero support and tools to actually enforce classroom discipline, and then tell them to just keep the kids in the building between the hours of 8 and 5 so the absentee parents can go off to work.

      The schools have financial incentive to pack as many fucking kids in per classroom as possible. And even if there is a kid so bad (knifing, bringing guns, obviously bringing drugs, etc), good luck getting rid of the kid. The most you can do is have them sent to "alternative school" for a month, and in the meantime the deadbeat shithead parents are busy getting a lawyer and spinning sob stories to the media about how their "good little angel" is getting a bad rap because of the "racist teacher who obviously hates them."

      The whole system is fucking broken. The feds give out money on a per-head basis, so the schools want to pack in as many kids as possible even if it means overloading the rooms. The localities enact truancy laws that stuff the good-for-nothings into schools with the kids who are actually there to learn. 5 of 9 shitheads in black robes say we can't even check for legal status and kick out the worthless leeching motherfuckers who ought to be deported. Parents scream and complain if their "good little gifted angel", who's actually an unmotivated little retard, doesn't get into the same class as the kids who ought to be on an accelerated track. And when little Roshanjam, the 9th son of Shaniqua who has 8 other half-brothers and no daddy for any of them, gets into fights and gangs and knifes people and someone actually hauls him in, there she is crying and screaming "racism" and unwilling to accept that no, her kid is a criminal little punk who has his head straight up his own ass.

    16. Re:Fear mongering 101 by karnal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I initially read your post as "dismantle a cat"

      until I read the "being young enough to actually sleep in it" did I realize I was in error.

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    17. Re:Fear mongering 101 by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I initially read your post as "dismantle a cat"

      until I read the "being young enough to actually sleep in it" did I realize I was in error.

      Maybe it was a large cat and an ill-advised attempt to recreate the Tauntaun scene.

    18. Re:Fear mongering 101 by treeves · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yellowcake, also known as Twinkies.

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    19. Re:Fear mongering 101 by alva_edison · · Score: 3, Funny

      I did, twice.

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    20. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Informative

      ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages)

      Strangely enough, we had American exchange students in because there was no "Remedial English" class for university students. These were ostensibly English-speaking (well, they could *speak* English, they just couldn't read or write it) students from the US - English was supposedly their first language.

    21. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2

      Teachers as a demographic of college graduates represent the lower half of the GPA pool.

      Citation needed. I've heard this sor of allegation many times, but every time I try to look it up, I find counter-data:

      "More important than the high school grades, though, the study also tracked one group of students over their college careers from 1979 to 1983. The college grades of this group also showed no differences between potential teachers and others. As sophomores, those who planned to teach had an average college GPA of 2.88; those who planned to do something else came in at 2.87." -- http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=2368DB6068831EED5083CA8B0BCA0C46.inst3_1a?docId=5000446952

      "Kevin Rask, an economics professor at Wake Forest...after reviewing the records of more than 5,000 students, who graduated from an unnamed elite liberal arts college in the Northeast from 2001 to 2009", found that education majors had the highest GPA, and chemistry majors, the lowest. -- http://moneywatch.bnet.com/saving-money/blog/college-solution/5-best-and-worst-college-majors-for-top-grades/1878/ (How much is this is due to unqualified students seeing chemistry as a good career choice, and how much is due to grade inflation on the "soft" side of campus, is of course a legitimate topic; but that's not the proposition you put forward.)

      As Boortz has said, sending your children to a government school in the U.S. is tantamount to child abuse.

      Handing them over to a church school or a corporate school is inherently better? It is to laugh.

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    22. Re:Fear mongering 101 by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when little Roshanjam, the 9th son of Shaniqua who has 8 other half-brothers and no daddy for any of them, gets into fights and gangs and knifes people and someone actually hauls him in, there she is crying and screaming "racism" and unwilling to accept that no, her kid is a criminal little punk who has his head straight up his own ass.

      and

      and in the meantime the deadbeat shithead parents are busy getting a lawyer and spinning sob stories to the media about how their "good little angel" is getting a bad rap because of the "racist teacher who obviously hates them."

      How is he telling the truth when the poster has to create completely bullshit scenarios to prop up his argument? Unless he actually knows of a little Roshanjam, who is the 9th son of Shaniqua who has 8 other half-brothers and no daddy for any of them? Heck, the entire post was made up of hypothetical examples. Why not use a real life example, there are plenty out there.

      It's trolling when he has to pull completely hypothetical situations out of his ass to prop up an argument, which shows that he's more interested in getting a rise out of people than he is interested in making a point. It almost sounds like he's advocating personal responsibility, but yet he makes a sweeping racial generalization. I agree with personal and parental responsibility and not creating a nanny state, but even I can see that making a legitimate point was not the poster's primary intention.

  2. As the old saying goes: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The pen is mightier than the sword.

    1. Re:As the old saying goes: by Rolgar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sean Connery: I've got to ask you about the Penis Mightier.

      Alex Trebek: What? No. No, no, that is The Pen is Mightier.

      Sean Connery: Gussy it up however you want, Trebek. What matters is does it work? Will it really mighty my penis, man?

      Alex Trebek: It's not a product, Mr. Connery.

      Sean Connery: Because I've ordered devices like that before - wasted a pretty penny, I don't mind telling you. And if The Penis Mightier works, I'll order a dozen.

      Alex Trebek: It's not a Penis Mightier, Mr. Connery. There's no such thing!

      Nicholas Cage: Wait, wait, wait.. are you selling Penis Mightiers?

      Alex Trebek: No! No, I'm not.

      Sean Connery: Well, you're sitting on a gold mine, Trebek!

  3. Wrong headline by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe it's me, but isn't the proper headline "Students NOT banned from bringing pencils to school"?

    After all, the district said that the teacher sent the memo without permission of the superintendent and that it did not reflect district policy. So we got an overzealous and whacked out teacher, which is certainly not news.

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    1. Re:Wrong headline by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, then the district disciplines this teacher for excessive nuttery and everyone goes back to their day to day lives. Several weeks later, some kid stabs another kid with a pencil on the way to school and the victim ends up with a piece of graphite permanently lodged under his skin. Now you have someone with a PERMANENT DISFIGUREMENT because this teacher's sage warning wasn't heeded. That kid becomes a poster child for our schools' failure to keep our children safe, and before you know it we have the TSA moving in and strip-searching the kids to look for pencils before they can enter the school building. Meanwhile, the disciplined teacher goes on to a successful career as a security consultant working with the Department of Homeland Security to help prevent future attacks using graphite-based WMDs (Writing implements of Minor Disturbance). After that, it's only a matter of time before the Department of Education gets absorbed into the DHS.

      All of this could have been avoided if we had just taken this warning seriously and immediately banned all sharp writing implements from schools. All pencils and pens should be replaced with nice blunt magic markers. For math classes or other times when frequent erasing is needed, they can use an Etch-a-Sketch (tm). This seems like a minor sacrifice to ensure the safety of our children.

    2. Re:Wrong headline by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not like homeschooling is a better option, where a parent is free to substitute their own "facts," or leave out certain things completely, crippling the child when they attempt to do anything requiring that knowledge, but the true danger of home schooling is the lack of socialization with people of differing backgrounds, leading to an insular world view that assumes everyone is the same, and an inability to cope with society at large.

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    3. Re:Wrong headline by dotar · · Score: 2, Funny

      All pencils and pens should be replaced with nice blunt magic markers.

      Magic markers have the added benefit that when you write "Elbereth" on the floor under you, no-one can attack you. With their pencils.

  4. First stab! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wew!

  5. Promotion ! by burgessms · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A warm welcome to the future head of TSA.

  6. Trustworthy by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wendy is too uptight, one night with me she will loosen up, and she might even provide the students with switchblades.

    Yeah, THIS site is a respectable, trustworthy source of news.

  7. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by v1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember some time ago when it was the rage to fold paper and shoot it at each other with rubber bands. For awhile rubber bands were considered a "regulated" item, and getting caught with a piece of rolled up paper could get you in trouble.

    But ya, mental teachers here I think.

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  8. Re:Oh for chrissakes! by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Informative
  9. Re:Ok, seriously by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only this were a singular case of nuttery in this profession.

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  10. People love to be outraged. by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

    So much so that they'd rather take some dudgeon mongering website's word for what happened than to google the original sources and find out this is a non-story. Well, I don't mind being wet blanket, so I did it for you.

    If you must know, a couple of sixth grade teachers got fed up with students playing with toy pens, then losing them and disrupting the class looking for them. So they decided to ban student owned writing instruments altogether, but rather than come right out and tell parents that their kids are badly behaved, they used a pen modified by one of the students to shoot spitballs as an excuse for the ban. Since using a writing instrument as a "weapon" conjures images of students stabbing each other in the eye with a pencil, that naturally garnered a lot more attention than the teachers expected. The acting superintendent stepped in, reversed the policy and wrote a memo explaining everything and suggesting everybody calm down.

    But of course the story of a couple of beleaguered teachers being too timid to tell parents they'd raised a mob of brats isn't as much fun for people who like to complain about the nanny state.

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    1. Re:People love to be outraged. by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I worked in a high school for 2 years. Parents don't want to hear that they're kids are brats. They want any evidence they can get to rationalize the myth that poor teachers are the problem with our education system. One quick story...

      The junior class at the school was turning into a bunch of fuck-ups. Poor academics, drugs, mediocre sports performance, etc. So, the principal who was a really good guy calls an assembly, sends *ALL* the teachers out except for the VP and has a "man-to-man" talk with the whole junior class. He basically told them they were screwing up their lives and needed to straighten up before they've ruined their opportunity there. Well, all the kids run home and tell exaggerated...scratch that flat out lies about what he said to them. Saying he called them worthless, stupid, etc. This caused an uproar with all the parents bitching to the administration for daring to suggest that their sweet little babies could be anything short of Sainthood-candidates. I'd been working at the school for a while at this point and I knew the deal, and I was a computer lab tech. Kids would come in all the time to hang out during breaks. So, I'd get the lowdown from them and surreptitiously steer them into telling me *exactly* what he said. Of course, it was quite different from the cry baby story they all ran home and told mommy and daddy. And, that's our education system in microcosm. Parents sending less disciplined children to school to be simultaneously educated and parented because so many of them aren't getting the job done at home.

      Coincidentally, about 10 years later I found out a friend had attended that school when I struck up a conversation with her mother. Just to reinforce the point, her daughters were habitual skippers (though they did get their acts together). But, she blamed the principal when he threatened police action (I never knew you could be charged with this!) if she didn't get her girls to start coming to classes. Kind of sad to hear her mother saying this, because her daughter was really hot too (really turned me off on the girl after seeing that side of her family).

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  11. Re:You know... by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've never visited Nannychusetts, have you? State motto: "We're not happy until you're not happy."

    As long as everybody is equally unhappy, then things are fair. What would be unfair is for certain people to be happy when others are not.

    It is easier to force everyone down a level then try to give people the means to raise themselves a level.

    Since people are so envious of what others have, this also gives the ones taking happiness a power base.

  12. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by DeathToBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Erm, well, according to the fount of all knowledge, Japan has a murder rate of 0.44 per 100,000, less than one tenth the rate in the US.

    Still, never let facts get in the way of good old ideology, what?

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  13. Re:Addressing the last threat, not the next threat by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

    The problem with profiling is that it leads to a self perpetuating loop.

    Drag aside and search everyone who fits the profile of those caught trying to smuggle weapons in the most in the last 6 months.

    Lets say 80 year olds grandmothers.

    now 80% of the people you search are old grannies, a few of them will have weapons and a few will have what look like weapons.

    so 6 months later you decide to see if your profiling has worked: IT HAS! look! see over 50% of the people caught with weapons(in this case long sharp metal spikes which they claimed were merely for making clothes, as if you could make clothes with metal spikes! Ha!) in the last 6 months were grannies! LETS PROFILE HARDER!

    of course the people you don't drag aside and search might be more likely to be carrying weapons but since we're basing our choices of who to search on the number of people caught it quickly begins to spiral and you catch less and less of anyone else and more and more from the group you profile.

  14. Same here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dismantled my crib when I decided I wanted to upgrade. Brought the thing out in pieces to my poor, shocked, aghast mother.

    1. Re:Same here. by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's nothing.

      At 8.5 months gestation I took a deep breath and self-delivered.

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  15. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Did murder STOP? No. I didn't attempt to compare rates.

    Yes you did. You stated that weapons control laws never "decreased" violence, not "stop[ped" violence.

  16. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You did. Explicitly. To quote you:

    Actually, I am pretty sure that measure is to counter violence, but since when has "weapons control" laws ever resulted in decreased violence? [...] But does that stop murders and mayhem? Nope! It just making the killings more gruesome and painful.

    You explicitly said that strict gun laws did not decrease the amount of violence found in Japan and that it did in fact make the murders committed there more gruesome.

    Not to mention that declaring all non-perfect solutions to be of negligible effect is a fallacy in itself. We may be unable to completely stop murder but that doesn't mean that measures taken to reduce homicide rates (such as making firearms less available) are automatically pointless.

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  17. Re:You know... by Zak3056 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As long as everybody is equally unhappy, then things are fair. What would be unfair is for certain people to be happy when others are not.

    Based on the rest of your post, I don't think you are advocating this position (merely stating why someone would do this). Still, I'd suggest that anyone who agrees with this notion to read Harrison Bergeron, where "equality of outcome" is the central theme. This is where we will eventually be led.

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  18. Re:You know... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have long felt that Harrison Bergeron should be required reading in every law school in the country.

    On a separate but related note, I am afraid that a significant percentage of registered voters in the US would think your sig is referring to some of Cher's costumes.

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  19. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a common argument from americans.

    It's also an especially retarded one.

    All this leads to is a policy of escalation. I get a gun to defend myself, of course the robbers are going to get guns. Bigger ones too. So then I get a bigger gun, and next thing you know you're being menaced by people with machineguns.

    In the end, guns don't help you defend yourself. They only ensure any encounter with something you need to defend yourself against will result in a fatality.

    Canadians have, per capita, as many guns as americans do. But 99% of them are hunting weapons, not designed to be used against other people. And in the city where I live (600k people), we have less than one murder per year.

    And I don't have to lock my door at night. And I don't need a gun to defend myself.

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  20. Re:Link, school shooter? by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

    Said just like someone who has never been shot with a sword.

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  21. Re:The pen[cil] is mightier than the sword! by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Technically suicide can be construed as murder, in which case Japan is well ahead of us with 24.4/100k compared to our 11.1/100k, the difference being more than enough to make up for the gap of 4.6 in our murder rates. (also from Wikipedia)

  22. Re:You know... by travisb828 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If it makes you feel better, Massachusetts is in that part of the country we call New England.

  23. Who Woulda Thunk It! by rickshaf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I teach at a small charter high school here in N. AZ. Aside from grading papers, the bane of my existence is that students come to school WITHOUT so much as a single pencil with which to write! They have their cell phone, they have their cigarettes and lighter, and they can afford piercings and tattoos, but not a single pencil! WHAT was that "teacher" thinking?

  24. WMD? by andr00oo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Weapons of Maths Destruction

  25. Re:Very hard to believe by Alan+R+Light · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like edawstwin above, I attended both public and private schools in the U.S. - in fact, three of each.

    While there is truth to the assertion that some private schools are much better than others, this doesn't take into account how bad many government schools are. I attended one private school that is one of the best in the United States, and another which was the Baptist-run type referred to, with underqualified teachers. Despite this handicap, that Baptist school still performed better than the local government schools, at least up through 8th grade. They just didn't have funds for proper laboratory work, as they only charged - in 2010 dollars, about $2000/year. However, every single student at that school could read and do basic math, which by itself is an improvement over the government schools.

    Perhaps the British author of the post several stages up is the victim of another phenomenon: namely, he doesn't see the many students from government schools who dropped out or never learned to read because they don't apply to universities in England. A private education is an indication that a family is interested in education, and so the children are more likely to attempt to avail themselves of educational opportunities, even when they are something of a stretch. In school districts where the residents are relatively wealthy the schools tend to be reasonably good, so these already-advantaged students are also more likely to attend the government schools, again skewing the results.

    As one last aside, note that since 1970 real spending per pupil at government schools in the U.S. has more than doubled, with - so far - nothing to show for it. But then, as John Taylor Gatto has noted, government schools in the U.S. have not failed. In fact, they have fulfilled their mission perfectly. We should be aware, however, that their mission never included educating students.

  26. And a good thing, also!!!111 by RichiH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dunno, when I was in school, I had at least one knife on me every single day for most of my school years. Plus lighters and a torch.

    End result? Teachers came to me instead of walking down to the main teacher's lounge when they needed to cut anything or start the Buthane in Chemistry.

    Now I am working. And I carry a Victorinox Swiss Tool while doing desk work.

    So yah, ban all them weapons!!!111