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Once-Secret ACTA Copyright Treaty Approved By EU

itwbennett writes "By a vote of 331 to 294, the EU Parliament has approved the controversial and once-secret Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). According to an ITworld article, 'the most controversial paragraph in the final text leaves the door open for countries to introduce the so-called three-strikes rule. This would cut Internet users off if they download copyright material as national authorities would be able to order ISPs to disclose personal information about customers.... The proposed agreement would also place sanctions against any device or software that is marketed as a means of circumventing access controls such as encryption or scrambling that are designed to prevent copying. It also requires legal measures against knowingly using such technology.'"

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  1. Cool! by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Awesome! This just means higher adoption of encryption and more bodies on darknets!

    Works for me, and, I suspect, most others here too.

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    1. Re:Cool! by asvravi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Strike one.

    2. Re:Cool! by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wish they'd use bowling instead of baseball for the number of strikes.

      "Hey dude! I scored 300 with my ISP! I'm going to the library!"

    3. Re:Cool! by tenchikaibyaku · · Score: 5, Informative
      Although I hold no real hope that ACTA will be shot down, the summary is - as far as I can see - at best misleading.
      Quoting from Christian Engstroms blog:

      This was a defeat, but it is far from the final word on the issue. The resolution has no formal effect at all, but is merely an expression of how the Parliament feels.

    4. Re:Cool! by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Awesome! This just means higher adoption of encryption and more bodies on darknets!

      The problem is you can't hide the data. The bit is either there, or it isn't. It's on or it's not. All you can do is apply statistical and mathematical formula and methods to the data in an attempt to obscure or distort the information to the point that it is no longer useful to anyone other than the intended recipient(s). And almost every method we have of creating plausible deniability is being hunted down by governments around the world. If they want it to stop, they just pass a law saying "If you can't give us the keys, methods, etc., used to mask, alter, obscure, etc., your data, we can simply throw you in jail."

      In other words, the mere act of creating privacy between two entities will itself become a crime. That is the next step after ACTA. And it's already being planned.

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    5. Re:Cool! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wish that it was more like Golf.

      Then if I didn't like that download I could call it a Mulligan, and if the ISP tells me I've got a Bogey all I have to do is get a Birdie next month and I'll make Par.

      Then the Legalese can get extra convoluted.

    6. Re:Cool! by emkyooess · · Score: 4, Informative

      Planned? Hasn't it happened in the UK?

    7. Re:Cool! by teachknowlegy · · Score: 2, Funny

      No worries, as by the time the law gets that far we can have quantum encryption, where the encryption may or may not be present at exactly the same time.

    8. Re:Cool! by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Slashdot isn't staffed with people who understand the political structure of the EU?

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    9. Re:Cool! by Leynos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Trouble is, that's a lot of pictures you're going to have to send to embed a useful payload. Maybe you could set up something like a 1080p webcam looking out of your window so you have a constant stream of plausible signal in which to hide your "noise."

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    10. Re:Cool! by julioody · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Gee, this guy is using encryption. We'll have to leave him alone then".

      Or

      "He's using encryption, so he must be a terrorist. Ship him to Gitmo".

      Pick the one you think it's more likely.

    11. Re:Cool! by kvezach · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even if they take encryption away, there's always chaffing and winnowing. If you have a signature scheme and a naturally noisy channel, you can simply sign some packets with a valid signature and some with an invalid one - using realistic distortion of the valid signature - and communicate data that way. This would look little different from a channel where you're actually trying to communicate but where line noise is randomly corrupting your packets.

    12. Re:Cool! by Lanteran · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Among other nations. The trick is to create a data volume that will decrypt differently with different passwords.

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    13. Re:Cool! by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if you even do a search for such tools, it will attract the black van since you know only criminals....

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    14. Re:Cool! by Delkster · · Score: 2, Funny

      The thing is, with these guys the par is 1, so it's awfully difficult to get birdies.

    15. Re:Cool! by Delkster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sometimes it feels like there are approximately two people in the world who understand the political structure of the EU, so it's not particularly surprising that a random Slashdot staffer isn't one of them.

      Neither am I, really.

  2. It's time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to go kill some lobbyists.

  3. So when are they coming for us? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So when will the cops nab me for watching DVDs I pay for or rent then play using libdvdcss?

    1. Re:So when are they coming for us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They won't. They'll nab you for child pornography that appears on your desk an hour before the dawn raid.

    2. Re:So when are they coming for us? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They won't. They'll nab you for child pornography that appears on your desk an hour after the dawn raid.

      There: fixed that for you.

  4. Old school? by chemicaldave · · Score: 2

    Guess this means I'll have to start buying CP'd things off the street and in person like days of old?

    1. Re:Old school? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I guess the key difference there is that you are going to start buying."

      Good luck with that. Until my country's copyright law will be amended, I am still entitled to make copies of whatever non-DRM'd copyrighted work I want for my sole personal use. Not even ACTA changes anything about that - I would simply face harsher punishments for things I am already *not* allowed to do.

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  5. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From there to banning FOSS, the slope is slippery...

  6. I'm torn on this by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the one hand I'm angry that it seems like they are cracking down on filesharers and have left open this "expansion slot" to fill in with whatever they want later. On the other hand, I'm even more angry that they are going to start cracking down on CD bootleggers. These people perform a great service for many poor kids who don't have a computer to download files or $15 bucks to buy from the store. These kids would end up stealing and getting into much worse trouble if it weren't for the ability to buy from bootleggers for pennies on the dollar.

    By restricting the free flow of information, these cartels have created an artificial scarcity. They exploit this scarcity and the ones who suffer are the poor kids. I can't believe we are agreeing to such heinous terms.

    1. Re:I'm torn on this by alexborges · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whats "material" cost of music? Most of the cost comes from a distribution method that has been obsoleted in the digital age. This law only tries to impose limitations on a better and less costly way to get digital "wares", to save the ass of a distribution bussiness that is simply not needed anymore: music labels, cable companies, tv channels.

      We should have ONE link, the internet, and content providers, both independent and from label and shit, competing together: THATS HOW CAPITALISM WORKS.

      Protecting unnecesary monopolies with law is both plain stupid and a plain robbery from the people. We are supposed to do "as if", the internet wasnt there with regards to digitalizable content. But it is there. And digital content can travel through the net. That is "bad" for the distribution monopoly and they thus bought politicians to FUCK US ALL IN ALL OF THE WORLD.

      THAT SUCKS.

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    2. Re:I'm torn on this by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those kids could, you know, just not have a copy of the music. I don't know where this divine right to have stuff comes from.

      Stopping someone from doing something that doesn't affect others is generally what needs a justification. The scarcity is what we are creating, so that is what needs something to back it up.

      Because, absent artificial scarcity, how else can an author or programmer make money?

      Several viable methods are available for authors to get money, and many would do things for the love of doing them, for fame, or because it enables other revenue streams. We had books and music before the Statute of Anne, after all.

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  7. background and swpats by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Background info:

    http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement_overview

    On the software patent problems (or patents "in the Digital Environment"), it seems most or maybe all have been fixed (provided the the signatory uses the Section II option of excluding patents from that section) but a thorough reading is still needed:

    http://en.swpat.org/wiki/ACTA_and_software_patents

  8. Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A government demonstrates that it puts the interests of the rich above the interests of the many, even when the results mean plenty of injustice for the many.

    Humans are not competent to govern themselves on a national level.

    1. Re:Once again by umghhh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      some humans are. There are many reasons why this is not prevalent state of affairs of course. Some inherent to human nature of course: minority benefits paid by majority means that motivation to act and participate in political process is big in this minority as ROI is huge because the benefits for these few are paid by many. The motivation of the members of majority is much smaller because their personal losses are small or unlikely albeit taken in absolute numbers massive. This leads to unbalanced policies as the authorities are put under pressure by the militant minority while majority does not even look. There are other reasons of course too - incompetent authorities - these are the essence of the society and society at large has no capability to understand issues more complex than 'this is my beer it is free'. But even with these limitations sometimes we humans are capable of organizing ourselves into something good. The American Revolution is a good example (while of course US is a good example that greatness once is not a guarantee for greatness forever).

    2. Re:Once again by celle · · Score: 3, Funny

      "...injustice for the many."

      The many just have to borrow a couple of guillotines(per country) from France and use them during the half-time of national football games(soccer/american). The rich/manipulative, as the cause of this shit and therefore initially responsible, go first. The politicians who are also responsible for not listening to the many will switch quick once they realize they're next. Ah hell, both at the same time with twice the fun in half the time. Once the body politic is directly held accountable for its behavior this shit goes away. You want to hold the big seat, pay the big price.

      Problem fixed.

      "Humans are not competent to govern themselves on a national level."

      We've done it a hell of a lot longer than you now buzz off skynet!

    3. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You make a great point about the American Revolution. The masses essentially coalesced because the oppression of England was highly visible and briskly felt by nearly all Americans. But in our day, freedom is more apt to be stolen at the tip of a pen, rather than the end of a musket. Most people don't possess the ability to think critically or abstractly. They simply operate in a world that has been pre-arranged for them. The boundaries have been clearly defined by those in power and there is very little desire to question those boundaries. Thomas Jefferson articulated it beautifully -- "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty".

      I could rant for days about the rate at which freedom is being compromised in every nation on this planet, but most you /.'ers are technical folk who've had the need for critical thought thrust upon you, and therefore clearly see the decline, and hence are of like mind. That said, as technology takes greater hold, it also draws to itself great power. Those in positions of power clearly see this and their natural reaction (since they desire to remain in power) is to exert control over technology and oppress those who wield it skillfully. This is always done under some fabricated guise of "protection".

      There is hope however. You see, programmers and electrical engineers hold in their mathematical war-chests, technological battle-axes that can return power to the people. The ability to write an OS, of which the source code may openly viewed by all, the ability to root a smart phone and thereby return control to the device's owner, the ability to craft an encrypted, anonymized, overlay network which allows private data transfer, the ability to patch a binary file and alter a program's course, and on and on.

      Use your power for freedom.

    4. Re:Once again by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually I'd say the way us tech nerds can "win" is by using that most glorious and powerful of weapons...propaganda. Just look at how a single attack ad (Willie Horton) could change the way a presidential election was flowing. Now imagine if we geeks here on /. cooked up snarky and funny but biting ads showing how big business is stealing from ALL of us with 150+ year copyrights and ACTA style bullshit, and then plastered them all over Youtube? And if each video had a link to a nicely done website where the populace could let their elected officials know in NO uncertain terms they WILL be voted out if they don't listen?

      The future won't be decided with a gun, but with a videocam. The winning of hearts and minds by using the massive power of propaganda against the very ones that currently wield it against us. THAT is how you can change things now, not writing some OS that 90%+ won't use because it won't play their game o' the week.

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  9. Re:Banning FOSS? Can't happen soon enough by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, yes, I know it was really "linux distros and public domain music/movies" you were torrenting not the latest Hollywood movie and Miley Cyrus CD *wink* *wink*

    I am 105% certain that when I pipe the latest Debian DVD into my sound card, it will sound much better than the latest Miley Cyrus CD.

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  10. Re:A law that has been passed... by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    They still riot in the streets against perceived injustice in Europe.

  11. Re:Been there already by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's interesting that you bring the church up as an obstacle to new ideas, research and technology when it was the church that created the very university system that is used to spread new ideas, research and technology (along with the modern court system, hospitals, etc.). Not that I am an apologist for the church (big C or little c), but I do think that if one is to spout off, they should at least get their facts straight.

  12. Is johnnie copying a cd the real issue? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real problem is not the occasional copying of a CD for ones personal use, heck, it might not be the same quality, but you can record it off the radio. The real problem is the wholesale mass production of reproducing copyrighted material. Most of this occurs in South East Asia. So, exactly how will passage of ACTA stop it?

  13. Re:Banning FOSS? Can't happen soon enough by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Funny

    A fan of datacore, are we?

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  14. Re:Was voting anonymous? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Informative
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  15. Christian Democrat = Republican by unity100 · · Score: 2, Informative
    basically right wing capitalists.

    The European Parliament just narrowly failed to adopt a joint resolution demanding that the Commission should clarify and assess the consequences of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement ACTA. The numbers were 306 in favour, 322 against, and 26 abstentions. The resolution had been put forward by the Green group (including the Pirate Party), the Social Democrats, the Liberals and the Left. A resolution from the Green group (where I was one of the co-signatories) was also defeated. Instead, an alternative resolution by the Christian Democrat group EPP and the Conservative group was carried. This resolution basically welcomes what the negotiators have been doing so far, without placing any specific demands on the Commission for further clarifications or assessments.

    http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/acta-resolution-failed/

    basically, these kind of right wing capitalist parties everywhere, are those stripping any freedoms if any profits at stake. this includes any kind of constitutional indispensable, unalienable amendments.

    way to go. and there are still morons who are defending the philosophies of those zygotes. im sure a few will pop into comment after this post. its not like they 'know' that those philosophies will work. its that they WANT them to work, despite it havent worked at any point in human history, for the benefit of the average citizen.

  16. Re:Been there already by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No it didn't.

    The church built its learning institutions on the model of others, and there were secular learning institutions alongside them.

    The church is in conflict with the forces of reality. It has a long history of oppressing the free spread of knowledge, and of couching its tyrannies in the language of benevolence. And of coopting institutions and traditions and pretending they were the province of their religion all along. It's only typical that they would pretend to have invented higher education, and would call it open and free exchange of ideas.

  17. Re:Was voting anonymous? by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is apparently a vote to ask the commission to clarify the consequences of the treaty. This is EU diplomatic talk for a vote to reject it. With this vote rejected, the treaty was not blocked or questioned by the EU parliament. It is the among Nay votes you have to look for your traitors. (this had me confused for some time too)

  18. Make it like a movie preview... by Zancarius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The future won't be decided with a gun, but with a videocam. The winning of hearts and minds by using the massive power of propaganda against the very ones that currently wield it against us. THAT is how you can change things now, not writing some OS that 90%+ won't use because it won't play their game o' the week.

    That's actually a brilliant idea. It's a shame we couldn't get some independent director and/or studio to shoot a brief commercial and then pool resources together to show it during prime time television (since most of the population isn't aware of anything unless they're fed the information via TV--sadly). Better yet, make it look like a movie preview with a dark overture of sorts, including the same baritone narration style common to previews. I'd imagine it could start off something like this:

    [Camera pans through a dark office complex or government building with people in suits walking passed. Perhaps a gray haired actor playing the part of a high powered government official could be seen shaking hands with a corporate CEO of sorts.]

    Narrator: Drafted in the darkest bowels of the US federal government lurks a treaty...

    [Scene shifts to a young 13-14 year old boy basking in the soft glow of his monitor.]
    Boy [sounding panicked]: Oh... no...
    [The breaking of glass can be heard in the background as his mother screams. Trampling boots thunder through the house before the door to his room is broken down and armed agents grab the child, dragging him away.]

    Narrator: ...that threatens the very essence of our freedoms.

    [Scene shifts to a group of scruffy and clearly homeless individuals gathered around a burning barrel sharing stories.]

    Bearded homeless man 1: I remember back when I used to be able to buy anything I wanted on the Internet.
    Homeless man 2: Yeah, then they took it all away from us for sharing music. Now, we can't even buy groceries. Ol' Jack over here was forced to give up a kidney for sharing a movie, weren't you Jack?
    *laughter*
    Homeless woman 1: Oh yeah? They took everything away from me just for feeling up a TSA agent.
    *more laughter*

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    (Okay, that last part was stretching it a bit.)

    Anyway, you see where this is going--and maybe it's even a little overboard. Regardless, I think your idea is excellent! It needs to be professionally produced, written, and directed in order to capture the attention of the average viewer. Then it needs to be posted to Youtube.

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