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What To Load On a 4-Year-Old's Netbook?

nostrodecus writes "I have a nephew who is very young, but who has the techie gene — he found the Gruffalo on YouTube before anyone knew he could spell. Now he's almost 4, and I was thinking of giving him my netbook (Acer running XP), which I hardly use any more. So, of course, I will be deleting all the porn, but what should I load up on it? Are there tools/apps that I can load up on it to protect it and him from things he shouldn't see until college? Also, what apps or games could I load on it that a 4-year-old will get some use out of?"

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  1. Regardless by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of what you install there's no guaranteed way to stop your kid from stumbling upon boobs on the internet. Plus who's to say it's something to worry about at all. They certainly didn't traumatize me.

    1. Re:Regardless by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Regardless of what you install there's no guaranteed way to stop your kid from stumbling upon boobs on the internet.

      Yes, boobs in both senses of the word. And most likely he will stumble on to the idiot-inane-nincompoop sense first. Then the other.

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    2. Re:Regardless by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm going to agree.

      My 5 year old has his own account on the Vista machine at home. He knows how to load up Chrome. He has accounts on Youtube and Netflix and can watch what he wants whenever he wants.

      It keeps him occupied for hours at a stretch. It really frees me up to go shopping and other things that would have been tough with him along.

    3. Re:Regardless by gman003 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most filters are effective at stopping accidental viewings. If the user actually tries to access porn, it will fail sooner or later, emphasis on the sooner. But, given that the kid is four, it seems unlikely he's going to be typing "free porn xxx" into Google.

      If you just want casual filtering, I would recommend OpenDNS. Just set your DNS server to 208.67.222.123, and it will quietly block porn, malware and warez sites. I haven't found many false positives either. It won't catch everything, but if you want to delay teaching your kid about such things until he's mature enough to understand it, it works well enough.

      As for productivity software, try letting the kid loose on Blender. Open-source 3d modelling/rendering program. Might be a bit slow on netbooks, but if the kid's creative, he'll find something to do with it.

    4. Re:Regardless by skyride · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Blender? for a 4 year old? are you actually serious?

      The thread below this pretty much sums up my feelings here.

    5. Re:Regardless by Keebler71 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Install Windows Steady State on the machine after you set it up and before you give it to him. It is designed for places like computer labs, libraries, schools, etc... that don't want kids or malicious user wrecking too much havoc. Lots of features but the gist is you have full control over what users can do (by account), how long they can be online, what drives and resources they have access to, etc. There is even a rudimentary site blocker so you can allow playhouse disney, or whatever kids sites you know are safe without letting them have free reign over the net or having to manage this at the firewall. Highly recommend it.

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    6. Re:Regardless by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Setting the homepage to http://slashdot.org?

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    7. Re:Regardless by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I may be the token Windows guy around here but as to what apps? I'd just load Edubuntu and call it a day. I believe in the right tool for the job and Edubuntu not only has plenty of learning apps for ALL ages, it also has built in "net nanny" style filtering he can turn on if he is worried about teh titties. Although frankly it is a waste of time, as we old guys didn't have the Internet and still found teh titties just fine, thank you VERY much.

      I never understood the "fear of teh boobies" we seem to have in this country. It reminds me of that old saying Joe Bob Briggs had "You can't show a titty unless it has a knife in it. This is America dammit!"

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    8. Re:Regardless by PaKL · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hahahahah I have two boys who have to endure theirs dads liking of using a laptop loaded with Linux acting as the proxy, gateway, firewall.
      I use Dans Guardian as a content filter and they HATE it LOL
      I love the filter though and have been using it for many years. It has a wonderful where I can adjust the level of filtering based on the average age of those going through the filter. Naturally you can add certain IPs to not go though it.
      Thankfully they have found no way to bypass it YET :D

  2. Huh? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why in God's name would you give a computer to a 4-year-old? Give him a damn baseball or something, the last thing he needs in his formative years is to vegetate in front of a screen.

            Brett

    1. Re:Huh? by Nikker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If anything give him a screw driver and let him take it apart tell him what all the parts do and possibly even get it back together.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Picardo85 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with Brett ... young kids should run around hurting themselves so that they learn not to do certain things later in life when they don't heal as easily. Climbing trees, biking, playing soccer, building stuff with hammer and nail ... in general stuff where you can hurt yourself or even better ... encourage him somehow to just use his imagination ... Personally i would give a 4-year-old DUPLO - the young kids version of LEGO

    3. Re:Huh? by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, striking things with a bat or running around after balls seem so much better.

    4. Re:Huh? by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because taking apart a screwdriver is such an enriching experience.

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    5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      My dad gave my two year old son a soccer ball last month, he threw it down the stairs and grabbed my mom's iPhone. Kids aren't born with blank slates, they have natural inclinations. You can fight those inclinations, and the children, but all you end up doing is screwing them up. If the kid has an inclination towards gadgetry, support him.

      Certainly as parents we will have to force our kids to recognize the need for physical fitness (just like brushing teeth, hands and household chores), and chase after them to make sure they get enough exercise, but that's just parenting.

    6. Re:Huh? by eleuthero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      development of fine motor skills comes later--four years olds are still working on gross motor skills (large movements with even the fingers). This alone is reason to encourage continued outdoor activity as without it, there might never be appropriate development for the kid and it could affect a variety of areas in his life.

    7. Re:Huh? by farnsworth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      development of fine motor skills comes later--four years olds are still working on gross motor skills (large movements with even the fingers). This alone is reason to encourage continued outdoor activity as without it, there might never be appropriate development for the kid and it could affect a variety of areas in his life.

      A computer does not prevent or conflict with outdoor activity unless it is used inappropriately. In late November in the US the sun sets at around 5:00pm, but no four year old is ready for bed at that time. Sure, there are books and movies and craft projects and family time, but these are not always available/desirable/possible. A four year old can handle PBS Kids just fine, and there are times when it is the best choice.

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    8. Re:Huh? by Nikker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey man you take what you can get.

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    9. Re:Huh? by jrumney · · Score: 3, Informative

      Personally i would give a 4-year-old DUPLO

      By 4, most kids are ready to move onto the real thing. Duplo is for 1, 2 and 3 year olds who like to put things in their mouths and might choke on Lego, and aren't yet fully in control of their limbs so need the bigger size and tolerences of Duplo to avoid frustration.

    10. Re:Huh? by jhigh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree with this. Giving a four year old a laptop is dumb if you plan on using it as a babysitter. However, let the kid play games on age-appropriate sites and this would be a great replacement for television time.

      In response to the OP, and at the risk of starting a flame war, the first thing that I would do is wipe the thing and put some flavor of Linux on it. Expose them at a very young age to the fact that there is more to the world of technology than Microsoft and Apple. My kids are 8 and 10 and share a laptop with Kubuntu on it, and they love it. I like showing them all of the stuff that they can do it on and the fact that I can load it with software that does everything that they want to do without having to pay for any of it or violate (admittedly dumb) copyright laws.

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  3. Re:Mac OSX by Haedrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You could just as easily load up Linux instead for a copy costing $0.

    If your kid is visiting websites which could give him viruses, then you really need to keep an eye on him.

  4. How about the OLPC/Sugar system? by pearl298 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One Laptop per child has emulators for regular PCs and their software is ideally suited to a small child: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_components They even have a "live boot" based on Fedora Linux

  5. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to agree.

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    It keeps him occupied for hours at a stretch. It really frees me up to go shopping and other things that would have been tough with him along.

    I sincerely hope you're fucking joking.

    1. Re:Hmm by ds_online · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes I take my 5 year old and my 3 year old shopping weekly, there is no screaming, there is no disciplinary action. if you can't handle raising children who listen to you, maybe you shouldn't have had them in the first place. Leaving a 5 year old at home is child abuse. and most state agencys would agree.

    2. Re:Hmm by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if you can't handle raising children who listen to you, maybe you shouldn't have had them in the first place.

      Well, it's a little too late for that, don't you think?

    3. Re:Hmm by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's insane. What police state do you live in?

    4. Re:Hmm by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd love for you to try it.

      Number One Observatory Circle
      3450 Massachusetts Ave.
      Washington, DC 20007

      202-762-1489

      Ask for Joe.

    5. Re:Hmm by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your right. It isn't child abuse for them to be outside by themselves, so everyone should remember that if they want to make a quick run down to the corner store, they should lock the kid outside. It will keep the parent out of trouble.

      Seriously, just a generation ago, it was simply no big deal for a 5 year old to spend a short amount of time alone. By 10 or 11, they could spend the night alone, and by 12 or 13, they were babysitting other kids for the weekend. I don't know what kind of mass genetic disease has spread through the populations, but for those kids whose genetic code is still in tact, leaving a 5 year old at home is NOT child abuse. No matter what most state agencies say.

    6. Re:Hmm by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yes there is. your post is the same assholery than people arguing that *they* can drive drunk because they know their limits so well, and handle alcohol so well. they don't, you don't, your kids are not exceptional, and your parenting skills are subpar if you think different.

      little kids cannot be counted upon to be reliable safe alone for any period of time.add to that the possibility of an exogenous emergency or upset...

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    7. Re:Hmm by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Few if any of those who didn't survive are posting on slashdot.

      According to a study performed by the universities of Dublin and Warsaw, sterility is genetic. If your parents don't have any children, chances are you won't either.

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  6. FreeDOS by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Funny

    Format it, and then install FreeDOS and nothing else. Let him figure out the rest on his own. It should keep him out of trouble for quite a while. If you're feeling generous, install some sound card drivers for him (though not necessarily the best ones, or even the right ones).

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  7. how about a fishing pole by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Get your 4 year old outside and away from computers for at least a little while longer, my kids cannot even contemplate getting on a bicycle and riding all over town like we did as kids, most of the time on a beautiful day in Florida they are inside surfing the web, playing computer games or texting on their cell phones. Just saying...

    1. Re:how about a fishing pole by JohnFluxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about *you* get on a bicycle and cycle around in your spare time.

      Oh, because it's not that much fun to do it all the time? Double standards?

    2. Re:how about a fishing pole by Alarindris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's more fun when you are a kid. Just like playing house or cowboys and indians. I can't believe I'm explaining this.

  8. Re:LOLWHAT?!?! You posted your add. and #?!? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People here are all talk. Keyboard warriors.

    In real life, they are pussies and won't do a goddamned thing about it.

  9. Re:LOLWHAT?!?! You posted your add. and #?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google "Vice President of the United States residence"

  10. Scratch by Barkmullz · · Score: 3, Informative

    While Scratch is geared towards 6 - 16 year olds, it may be worth a look.

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  11. My experience with kids and comps/games by MikShapi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Disclosure: I have 3 kids: a 7, 4 and 1-year-old. The first is a confirmed geek, second one is pending. The 1yo will, 10 times out of 10, find an IT device in a pile of non-devices and chew it.

    Boobs don't mean squat to a 4YO (other than vague memories of food). More serious stuff does. Top things I am incredibly concerned with re early age kids and computer:

    1. Teaching them to control and ward off gaming addiction. Yes, there is such a thing as gaming addiction, and it is completely not trivial to (teach them to) keep it at bay while having a life.
    This is not a no-brainer when you're a gamer dad - they see me dump 300 game hours into a large-scale RPG, despite it being after their bedtime etc.
    I need to minimize their exposure to ultra-violent games (Fallout, Borderlands), while focusing on games that have SOME developmental value. Spore and Civ are awesome from the moment they can read (they figure it out way faster than you'd think). Before that... I'll let other people answer.
    I'm not against "non-realistic" 3D shooters and getting their competitive shooter skills up to scratch, even from 4yo, despite what my wife says, so long as it doesn't emphasize the violence too much (Unreal Tournament is marginally ok in my books, as is "Prince of Persia") (sidenote: they both do Karate and Parkour classes, so anything Parkour-related is generally liked).

    The real problem comes in the form of MMOs, which, in year/grade 2 in school, everyone plays. It's lame dumb-ass web-based MMOs (Penguins and Mushy Monsters) with a multitude of flash games, but all their friends hang there, and the BIG problem is that the games are built around them NEEDING to be there to maintain their avatars more often than not, which undermines (read: DESTROYS) my ability to teach them to have a life alongside a game. So I passionately despise them and do my best to entice the kids with real games or non-gaming activities.

    2. YOUTUBE. When they find the badger song, you're DONE. You can seek a good asylum at that point, and plan to come back when they're 35.
    (ask me how I know).

    3. Internet - I'm a believer in monitoring their usage rather than filtering it. Yes, there's a lot of nasty shit out there, and they're growing into a world where it's part of the backdrop they need to be able to contend with. From 4yo? You make that call with your own kids. I say might as well. If not at your place, they'll do it at their best mate's on a sleepover. It's not hard to find an unrestricted device nowadays. Any stuff I forbid will pull attention to itself, entice and pull them. If I don't, it'll just be "Yes, it's there, not a big deal, now where's the interesting stuff". .

    Another thing that I found incredibly helpful (this was for the 7yo tho) - he got his computer in parts. He also got a paper with an OS matrix (with WinXP, Win7 and Linux), against their RAM requirements and gaming capabilities. And the CD/DVD for each. And I let them choose. Next project is to cut his wifi access on his PC, give him and old box and, if he wants networking, build his own linux wifi router.
    As I share time on the first two kids with my ex-wife, they only live with me some of the time. I routinely pull bits (and break stuff) on my older son's computer, to train up his troubleshooting skills.

    My 2 cents.

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  12. A notebook for a 4 year old? by suprcvic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Give him some toys and send him outside where he belongs! Kids these days have no imagination because they have technology shoved in their face from the time they can grab it.

  13. Ah, the wonders of rich societies. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was left uncountable times alone with my siblings (me being the oldest) from the age of 10.

    Who were my evil parents?

    A couple that had to break their backs working in order to see us through school and provide for us by means of their lowly paid jobs, one of them made a Masters degree on evening and weekend school, with the only purpose of getting a better paid job because it happened we were studying music, we were applying ourselves to it, and it was a bit expensive (my sister is now a professional musician, music kept my brother out of trouble, I can play one or two tunes and know more about Opera, the music genre, not the browser, that most of you will ever care to know).

    We certainly had often an uncle caring for us, but it wasn't always possible, and neighbours around us had enough problems of their own so it was unlikely that they would agree to take care of us, as for paid childcare, go on , tell me that poor people can afford it so I can laugh in your face.

    And why would they risk it? Simple: they knew us well and made a careful assessment of the risks and rewards.

    Did anything happen to us? Yeah, one day we were watching a Japanese TV program, and it scared the shit out of us (Ultraman, old version, for some reason one of the monsters really sacred the heck out of us :-) ).

    It is a real shame that nowadays people in rich countries consider evil to allow parents to decide how they raise their children, and how people jump in the the "child abuse" bandwagon with such abandon, like in the case that generated this thread, in which there is not the slightest bit of evidence that the original poster is leaving children alone, bar for the panicky reading of one of the many "do gooders" that limit their dogooding to enraged typing after a biased interpretation of a post.

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  14. This is what I have loaded on my daughter's laptop by Slackenerny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My daughter is four and a half and I have an old work laptop built up for her. She's got some good mousing skills and scored an OCD ranking in one World of Goo level while I was doing the washing up.

    Anyway....I've scoured around trying to find good content and have a good list. Steer clear of all the Disney and other commerical stuff, that stuff will rot their brains. It's also badly coded and mainly a vehicle to advertise to the kids.

    This is what I have installed on her laptop. They are all links to flash sites as almost all good kids stuff is on-line now. Anything that you have to install probably lists Windows ME as the system requirement on the box:

    1) Poisson Rouge (http://www.poissonrouge.com/) - This is a French/English flash site with has no instructions and just encourages the child to explore the pages and work out what to do. It's probably the best site on-line for the 3-5 age group.

    2) Boowah & Kwala (http://boowakwala.uptoten.com/) - This is another French/English site originally made by a husband and wife for their daughter and has grown from there. It's more instructional in its activities, but has an enormous amount of content delivered in a great way. The two main characters (see the names) are voiced by the parents and are very funny.

    3) Sesame Street (http://www.sesamestreet.org/) - This one is a no-brainer...they have a great variety of games for different ages.

    4) StarFall (http://www.starfall.com/) – A reading site that runs from letter recognition all the way to full reading. It’s got some very fun stuff in it.

    5) WordWorld (http://pbskids.org/wordworld/index_flash.html) – A very rich and interactive reading site with lots of fun characters made out of letters.

    Enjoy!