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WikiLeaks Moves To Swiss Domain After DNS Takedown
An anonymous reader writes "Netcraft posted two reports on the movement of the WikiLeaks website today. First the site was taken down by EveryDNS, who terminated the DNS provision for wikileaks.org. A few hours later, WikiLeaks moved to a Swiss domain (wikileaks.ch). Netcraft suggests this move could be because the wikileaks.org domain was registered with a US company, which could be influenced by the US government. The new wikileaks.ch site is hosted in Sweden, but redirects all of its traffic to France. Strangely, WikiLeaks has chosen to use EveryDNS again for their new domain."
This follows Amazon's removal of WikiLeaks from their cloud hosting, which has the EFF and others worrying about free speech on the net as various hosting providers receive political pressure to censor certain content. Amazon claims their decision wasn't influenced by a government inquiry, while Tableau Software freely admits that a public request from Senator Joe Lieberman prompted them to take down WikiLeaks data visualizations.
"WIKILEAKS: Free speech has a number: http://88.80.13.160/ [88.80.13.160] "
Wikileaks.ch ch ch changes!
LOL!
EveryDNS already said that their DNS servers were getting DDoSed, and so they found it a better move to drop one customer and their baggage for the sake of their other thousands of customers.
futile... http://thepiratebay.org/search/wikileaks/0/7/0
and brave in dictating how we think other people's money should be spent.
Welcome to the me generation, where the freedom and justice are just buzzwords to drive angst on message boards, but wait Jennifer Anniston has a new boyfriend? I can't believe they allowed that Palin girl to get to the finals, and did you see who the new judges on Idol are going to be?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
And, ultimately, no more Internet? Or what are the power elites gonna do to hide their shenanigans from the people?
If this is what the so-called free and so-called democratic world is, I'd say we must be progressing nicely towards a total worldwide fascist corporate police state and/or a distributed and decentralized revolution to eliminate all hierarchies.
Anarchism (as in wiki/Anarchism) FTW!
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
wikileaks.ch is actually registered by the Swiss Pirate Party. They just happen to have it pointed to the right server anyway. Tweet from the Swiss PP president (in German, sorry): http://twitter.com/#!/SciF0r/status/10641251581829120
So at what line do we consider something as 'free speech' no matter if it is in print, or on the internet?
If a newspaper gets classified information through regular investigative journalism, they are now NOT allowed to print that information? (see: Pentagon Papers)
If Joe Lieberman was in power in 1971, would we even know the extent of the corruption of the Johnson and Nixon administrations? Or would all their lies and wrongdoing just be 'swept under the rug' and out of sight, out of mind? Would the New York Times and the Washington Post be threatened and censored from publishing their information?
Some quotes to contemplate:
Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. - Potter Stewart
The first condition of progress is the removal of censorship. - George Bernard Shaw
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. - John Gilmour
As to the evil which results from a censorship, it is impossible to measure it, for it is impossible to tell where it ends. - Jeremy Bentham
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
put in your /etc/hosts:
46.59.1.2 wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cablegate.wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cables.wikileaks.org
source: google robtex
also, no ddos attacks (supposedly over 10gbps) were ever confirmed by their upstreams (bahnhof/ovh).
either they're obstructed by their current registrar to change their root zone dns or just playing victim.
well done, assange, sir.
Joe Lieberman's basic mindset appears to be that the public should know only what the US government wants us to know. He's hardly alone in this - people who want to control access to information want to control thought. However, this gives him and people like him about as much credibility as the Iraqi Information Minister.
And of course, it's an anathema to democracy, but that never stopped Joe before. I should also mention that given who his financial backers are, you might as well call him the senator for Israel, not the senator for Connecticut (To be clear, I treat corporate-sponsored senators much the same way, for instance "Bob Dole (R-ADM)").
I am officially gone from
The romans had bread and circuses, the conservatives/tories have home owner ship, holland has to mortage deduction and America has the two cars in the drive way.
What does this do? It is about creating a working "middle" class. A hard working "middle" class. But not a real middle class. Not a middle class that has power but a middle class that have just enough to give them something to loose if they try to gain anything. The principle is VERY simple. Feed the masses just enough to don't make it an issue of starve or riot but rather, eat enough or riot and starve.
Strike, and you loose your mortage, can't make the monthly car payments and therefor you got to swallow everything, just so you can keep the two cars you so desperately need for the job to pay for the cars because there is no public transport alternative.
It is VERY effective. Look at the recent election results, people voted to protect the rights of rich people. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.
Forget about letting them eat cake. Let them dream of cake, and they will go as sheep to the slaughterhouse.
There is a reason the rich are rich. They are smarter then the poor people.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
PC World wonders: "In an idyllic future where we make heavy use of the cloud, what happens if a cloud service provider removes content it deems inappropriate, or just doesn't like?"
Welcome to the mid-1990s. At least that's when I started worry about that, after my ISP deleted my web site because of content that offended the owner's moral sensibilities. That's when I sat down, figured out how to install Linux and Apache on an old computer, and began self-hosting.
It's the exact same issue here, but with "cloud" substituted for "web" or "net".
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
Eric Besson, the French ministry for digital economy, has declared that France cannot accept to host a website which violates the secret of diplomatic relations and endanger people who should be protected by said secret.
As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite. DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.
WikiLeaks will never be shut down http://bit.ly/WiKiLeaks
All we need is a little bit of mojo in our lives...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-julian-assange-online
If the US has a hidden goal of making China look pretty moderate and nice in comparison to the west, its working like a charm. It would be doubleplus ironic if China would lighten their censoring at the same time as the west applies what now looks like total censorship on all leaked material.
I was uncertain before but now im 100% certain, China will take over as the next super power and it will happen a lot faster than i could ever expect. I couldnt imagine just how willing the west is to commit seppuku and dismantle the democracy in favour for totalitarian fascism. Moussilini would be proud.
HTTP/1.1 400
And so now that Open Government has well and truly arrived our leaders are busy trying to shut it down. Well the public have had no privacy for a long time. Now politicians and bureaucrats are getting a taste of their own medicine.
The moral is don't say or do anything unless you wouldn't mind the entire world knowing. That means you too, Hillary!
. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.
You can't blame them. Propaganda says that if they work hard, get an education (and more debt with that) and invest their money smart (does anyone actually think the super rich invest in those shit mutual funds you invest it or even those "small caps" that your newsletter points out every month?!?); they too can be rich.
Or the biggest one - anyone can be rich! Just start a business and a way you go!
As someone who's started a couple of businesses, I really wish that were true. It's really hard with all the competition out there (all computer services are saturated) and laws that benefit big business supported by the little people and written by lying politicians who say that the law will help small business.
Of course I'm now broke because I thought I could have the American dream - which was a lie.
now what's important is, what are you americans going to do about this. some dipshit is censoring you at his will, using the power you gave to him.
Read radical news here
Maybe it is time to establish a network that is controlled by its users, rather than large corporations and powerful governments?
Palm trees and 8
Bread and circuses. It's been this way for thousands of years - you're just realizing it?
For a while we had a chance to build a different world. But human nature (I'm too lazy to do it myself so I will "trust" my politician/god/celebrity to do it for me) won out in the end. So either continue to be a sheep, or be a wolf.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
This is history! With the unreal number of denial-of-service (DOS) attacks and Goverment actions against wikileaks, for me this is the First Real Cyber World War against a website!
You're just replacing DNS for a similar system. If they can bring down/seize wikileaks.org, why couldn't they bring down http://bit.ly/wikileaks, or whatever?
And relying on social networks for uncensored information spreading is the worst idea ever, unless you're talking about distributed social networks, which basically don't exist yet. Do you think Facebook or Twitter won't censor if the US govt asks "nicely"?
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Demonoid has switched from .com to .ME overnight and .com no longer resolves. Obviously there's more brewing about out there than the sheeple care to realize.
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
Democracy ONLY works when the public is well informed and this means the public must know things you would rather keep secret. How can I vote for the guy who is going to make foreign policy if I don't know the foreign policy?
Yes, this makes life very hard for democratic leaders. Though shit. It comes with the political system. I am sure cops would be able to do their jobs far better if we restrict the freedom of citizens as well. For instance a curfew would make patrolling the streets just so much easier.
But we can't do that so we accept that criminals go free because they got rights.
Wikileaks just made life harder for US politicians. So? What do you value more? Freedom or an easy life for the diplomatic core?
And the silly thing is that the outrage isn't really present in the countries the US has the most troubled relations with. Iran doesn't even give a shit.
But all this HAS given the US public a real insight into the true goings on on the diplomatic front. Just what is the official line? Well now we know. So we can base our votes on that... or one who promises the largest tax cut. Whatever takes the shortest attention span.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Hmmmm. OK. Fair enough.
Right..... That sounds like a pretty political statement to me. Firstly, Amazon cannot say whether or not WikiLeaks controlled or had 'rights' to the content on there nor is it Amazon's place to judge whether it was putting anyone in jeopardy. Given that's almost the exact wording of the government 'enquiry' then the first statement seems grossly inaccurate. None of what Amazon says has been established legally.
This issue goes to the heart of the controversy over who controls the internet; specifically who controls ICANN and the DNS root servers.
Right now, DNS control resides with the United States, and up to this point they have defended this status quo by assurring the world that the US is a bastion of absolute free speech and therefore best placed to control this most centralised, hierarchical and critical piece of internet architecture.
And now, when faced with the first real and signifigant test of its will, the United States' resolve crumples almost immediately. Gone is any guarantee--implied or otherwise--that the DNS servers will be beyond political or domestic influences(In truth, the takeing down of "terrorist" sites has been ongoing for some years). The weak appeal that these are the actions of a private company is a thin rag which fails to cover the US governments nakedness. This censorship is on the express will of the government.
This was the first real test; the US failed it. This has the potential to split DNS completely; with US trust now bankrupt, no other country will give it credit. In 5 years time, when you go looking for wikileaks.org or indeed slashdot.org, don't expect to get the same IP address as everyone else.
May the Maths Be with you!
For fucks sake, can we give the social polemical shit a rest for just one article?
The heart of the internet just skipped a beat. This is important in a technical and political sense. Is it too much to ask for some comments giving technical insight into the DNS system, historical precedents, or exisiting context? Instead we get a +5 copy paste rant about the death of the middle class that could be placed in just about any other thread or a ZeroHedge comment section for that matter.
TOPIC, GENTLEMEN; PLEASE.
May the Maths Be with you!
It's interesting that if you go to wikileaks.ch it redirects to http://213.251.145.96/. IOW once in you are using IP addresses and not names. No need for DNS anymore! And nobody should care because you merely click links after that. Brilliant.
Julian Assange: Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.
I mean... they already have got him fired!
Why can't
ch = Confoederatio Helvetica
I take my children to see Madonna(..), but I never for once ever thought I was in the same business.Chris Rea.
At what point will wikileaks go after who they were originally intended - despots in Africa and the Middle East, and maybe some dirty corporations? Just about everything that I've seen released this time is a bunch of "well, duh" stuff and driven by base anti-Americanism. I'm not saying some secrets don't need to be exposed, just that Assange seems so callous in doing it.
Uh, if the greatest trove of confidential information in history about one of the most holier-than-thou countries in the world (and I say this as an American) fell into your lap, you'd be a complete moron not to publish it.
Your economy is in the shitter because you've spent trillions chasing ghosts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe if you spent the money on, gee, INFRASTRUCTURE, like rail and roads, and thereby plowing money back into your own country, you might have something to show for the last ten years, instead of thousands of dead soldiers.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
also, no ddos attacks (supposedly over 10gbps) were ever confirmed by their upstreams (bahnhof/ovh).
The ddos attacks have been confirmed by Arbor Networks.
This image released by Arbor clearly shows a spike of over 10Gbps.
The bailout money was more than both wars, and did go to 'help' the country. Not that it went to the right places or did any good.
If only browsers bookmarked the IP address as well as the domain name.
It would be an interesting feature to have, but generally speaking if you've been to the site, odds are pretty good you still have the A record in your local DNS cache. I find it easier to look this up on Windows than Linux. For Windows, you just run "ipconfig /displaydns", for Linux you need to have caching nameserver running, and then either dig or nslookup the site in question against your local caching nameserver.