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WikiLeaks Moves To Swiss Domain After DNS Takedown
An anonymous reader writes "Netcraft posted two reports on the movement of the WikiLeaks website today. First the site was taken down by EveryDNS, who terminated the DNS provision for wikileaks.org. A few hours later, WikiLeaks moved to a Swiss domain (wikileaks.ch). Netcraft suggests this move could be because the wikileaks.org domain was registered with a US company, which could be influenced by the US government. The new wikileaks.ch site is hosted in Sweden, but redirects all of its traffic to France. Strangely, WikiLeaks has chosen to use EveryDNS again for their new domain."
This follows Amazon's removal of WikiLeaks from their cloud hosting, which has the EFF and others worrying about free speech on the net as various hosting providers receive political pressure to censor certain content. Amazon claims their decision wasn't influenced by a government inquiry, while Tableau Software freely admits that a public request from Senator Joe Lieberman prompted them to take down WikiLeaks data visualizations.
"WIKILEAKS: Free speech has a number: http://88.80.13.160/ [88.80.13.160] "
Wikileaks.ch ch ch changes!
LOL!
EveryDNS already said that their DNS servers were getting DDoSed, and so they found it a better move to drop one customer and their baggage for the sake of their other thousands of customers.
futile... http://thepiratebay.org/search/wikileaks/0/7/0
and brave in dictating how we think other people's money should be spent.
Welcome to the me generation, where the freedom and justice are just buzzwords to drive angst on message boards, but wait Jennifer Anniston has a new boyfriend? I can't believe they allowed that Palin girl to get to the finals, and did you see who the new judges on Idol are going to be?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
And, ultimately, no more Internet? Or what are the power elites gonna do to hide their shenanigans from the people?
If this is what the so-called free and so-called democratic world is, I'd say we must be progressing nicely towards a total worldwide fascist corporate police state and/or a distributed and decentralized revolution to eliminate all hierarchies.
Anarchism (as in wiki/Anarchism) FTW!
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
wikileaks.ch is actually registered by the Swiss Pirate Party. They just happen to have it pointed to the right server anyway. Tweet from the Swiss PP president (in German, sorry): http://twitter.com/#!/SciF0r/status/10641251581829120
So at what line do we consider something as 'free speech' no matter if it is in print, or on the internet?
If a newspaper gets classified information through regular investigative journalism, they are now NOT allowed to print that information? (see: Pentagon Papers)
If Joe Lieberman was in power in 1971, would we even know the extent of the corruption of the Johnson and Nixon administrations? Or would all their lies and wrongdoing just be 'swept under the rug' and out of sight, out of mind? Would the New York Times and the Washington Post be threatened and censored from publishing their information?
Some quotes to contemplate:
Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. - Potter Stewart
The first condition of progress is the removal of censorship. - George Bernard Shaw
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. - John Gilmour
As to the evil which results from a censorship, it is impossible to measure it, for it is impossible to tell where it ends. - Jeremy Bentham
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
put in your /etc/hosts:
46.59.1.2 wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cablegate.wikileaks.org
91.194.60.112 cables.wikileaks.org
source: google robtex
also, no ddos attacks (supposedly over 10gbps) were ever confirmed by their upstreams (bahnhof/ovh).
either they're obstructed by their current registrar to change their root zone dns or just playing victim.
well done, assange, sir.
Changing IPs and namespace is a bunch of snot. If anything its just a nuisance. The only solution is to make the information they present irrelevant.
Joe Lieberman's basic mindset appears to be that the public should know only what the US government wants us to know. He's hardly alone in this - people who want to control access to information want to control thought. However, this gives him and people like him about as much credibility as the Iraqi Information Minister.
And of course, it's an anathema to democracy, but that never stopped Joe before. I should also mention that given who his financial backers are, you might as well call him the senator for Israel, not the senator for Connecticut (To be clear, I treat corporate-sponsored senators much the same way, for instance "Bob Dole (R-ADM)").
I am officially gone from
The romans had bread and circuses, the conservatives/tories have home owner ship, holland has to mortage deduction and America has the two cars in the drive way.
What does this do? It is about creating a working "middle" class. A hard working "middle" class. But not a real middle class. Not a middle class that has power but a middle class that have just enough to give them something to loose if they try to gain anything. The principle is VERY simple. Feed the masses just enough to don't make it an issue of starve or riot but rather, eat enough or riot and starve.
Strike, and you loose your mortage, can't make the monthly car payments and therefor you got to swallow everything, just so you can keep the two cars you so desperately need for the job to pay for the cars because there is no public transport alternative.
It is VERY effective. Look at the recent election results, people voted to protect the rights of rich people. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.
Forget about letting them eat cake. Let them dream of cake, and they will go as sheep to the slaughterhouse.
There is a reason the rich are rich. They are smarter then the poor people.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I think the title says it all.
PC World wonders: "In an idyllic future where we make heavy use of the cloud, what happens if a cloud service provider removes content it deems inappropriate, or just doesn't like?"
Welcome to the mid-1990s. At least that's when I started worry about that, after my ISP deleted my web site because of content that offended the owner's moral sensibilities. That's when I sat down, figured out how to install Linux and Apache on an old computer, and began self-hosting.
It's the exact same issue here, but with "cloud" substituted for "web" or "net".
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
Eric Besson, the French ministry for digital economy, has declared that France cannot accept to host a website which violates the secret of diplomatic relations and endanger people who should be protected by said secret.
As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite. DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.
WikiLeaks will never be shut down http://bit.ly/WiKiLeaks
All we need is a little bit of mojo in our lives...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-julian-assange-online
If the US has a hidden goal of making China look pretty moderate and nice in comparison to the west, its working like a charm. It would be doubleplus ironic if China would lighten their censoring at the same time as the west applies what now looks like total censorship on all leaked material.
I was uncertain before but now im 100% certain, China will take over as the next super power and it will happen a lot faster than i could ever expect. I couldnt imagine just how willing the west is to commit seppuku and dismantle the democracy in favour for totalitarian fascism. Moussilini would be proud.
HTTP/1.1 400
Can you be sure to be the first to hear yesterdays news, today. People were submitting this all last night and evening, and after every other site reported it finally Slashdot get's t's act together and posts the story. I don't understand why people pay for this site -- probably the same people who pay for Hotmail.
If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
And so now that Open Government has well and truly arrived our leaders are busy trying to shut it down. Well the public have had no privacy for a long time. Now politicians and bureaucrats are getting a taste of their own medicine.
The moral is don't say or do anything unless you wouldn't mind the entire world knowing. That means you too, Hillary!
. Unemployed people voted against unemployment protection. All in the believe that they are some kind of middle class that doesn't need any government protection from the super rich. The divide between rich and poor has never been so big and the poor are voting to increase the gap.
You can't blame them. Propaganda says that if they work hard, get an education (and more debt with that) and invest their money smart (does anyone actually think the super rich invest in those shit mutual funds you invest it or even those "small caps" that your newsletter points out every month?!?); they too can be rich.
Or the biggest one - anyone can be rich! Just start a business and a way you go!
As someone who's started a couple of businesses, I really wish that were true. It's really hard with all the competition out there (all computer services are saturated) and laws that benefit big business supported by the little people and written by lying politicians who say that the law will help small business.
Of course I'm now broke because I thought I could have the American dream - which was a lie.
dont sweat it guy. what has happened, has happened.
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God bless Switzerland, the birth place of the Red Cross and Geneva convention!
People of Switzerland are kind and fair. Because these people themselves had to run away from persecutions during Reformation period.
Julian Assange better come here himself to stay in one piece. The Swiss police is well trained after all and could provide a realistic protection.
now what's important is, what are you americans going to do about this. some dipshit is censoring you at his will, using the power you gave to him.
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Maybe it is time to establish a network that is controlled by its users, rather than large corporations and powerful governments?
Palm trees and 8
Bread and circuses. It's been this way for thousands of years - you're just realizing it?
For a while we had a chance to build a different world. But human nature (I'm too lazy to do it myself so I will "trust" my politician/god/celebrity to do it for me) won out in the end. So either continue to be a sheep, or be a wolf.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
This is history! With the unreal number of denial-of-service (DOS) attacks and Goverment actions against wikileaks, for me this is the First Real Cyber World War against a website!
You're just replacing DNS for a similar system. If they can bring down/seize wikileaks.org, why couldn't they bring down http://bit.ly/wikileaks, or whatever?
And relying on social networks for uncensored information spreading is the worst idea ever, unless you're talking about distributed social networks, which basically don't exist yet. Do you think Facebook or Twitter won't censor if the US govt asks "nicely"?
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Remember carefully that some speech is more free than others.
There are some very important uses for DNS that a url shortner doesn't exactly handle, like round robin load balancing for example. All URL shortening does it leave your site's availability up to a service that you don't even pay that could pull the plug on you even easier (I'll guarantee they don't want to handle the ddos either).
Get a web developer
please. they're just going after source after source. it takes minimal effort for wikileaks to find another host. So no, it's not over.
this is just the us gov't trying to attack a decentralized solution and failing, as noted that wikileaks is still up today.
Demonoid has switched from .com to .ME overnight and .com no longer resolves. Obviously there's more brewing about out there than the sheeple care to realize.
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
That will work only until wikileaks' opponents force them to switch to another IP.
If only browsers bookmarked the IP address as well as the domain name.
Well... at least for those who need to cover up their tracks.
What I don't get is as of this posting their whois data is still showing:
Name Server:NS1.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS2.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS3.EVERYDNS.NET
Name Server:NS4.EVERYDNS.NET
Why don't they just update their friggin dns records and call it a day. You can run your own dns server or choose from the billion providers that are out there - heck for that matter pick a half dozen or so on different services around the world and have fun seeing who is last to dump you.
The only thing I can come up with here that makes any sense is this is sort of their middle finger to everydns as they are still getting requests to their servers even though they aren't serving the record anymore, but that doesn't really seem to be worth the downtime to me unless they are going for the Streisand effect.
Get a web developer
Democracy ONLY works when the public is well informed and this means the public must know things you would rather keep secret. How can I vote for the guy who is going to make foreign policy if I don't know the foreign policy?
Yes, this makes life very hard for democratic leaders. Though shit. It comes with the political system. I am sure cops would be able to do their jobs far better if we restrict the freedom of citizens as well. For instance a curfew would make patrolling the streets just so much easier.
But we can't do that so we accept that criminals go free because they got rights.
Wikileaks just made life harder for US politicians. So? What do you value more? Freedom or an easy life for the diplomatic core?
And the silly thing is that the outrage isn't really present in the countries the US has the most troubled relations with. Iran doesn't even give a shit.
But all this HAS given the US public a real insight into the true goings on on the diplomatic front. Just what is the official line? Well now we know. So we can base our votes on that... or one who promises the largest tax cut. Whatever takes the shortest attention span.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Hmmmm. OK. Fair enough.
Right..... That sounds like a pretty political statement to me. Firstly, Amazon cannot say whether or not WikiLeaks controlled or had 'rights' to the content on there nor is it Amazon's place to judge whether it was putting anyone in jeopardy. Given that's almost the exact wording of the government 'enquiry' then the first statement seems grossly inaccurate. None of what Amazon says has been established legally.
The response to Tableau Software's cowardice, at least, is obvious:
Everybody and their dog should take an account on their system and repost the data. Someone call Anonymous.
Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
like the americans who financed nazis until 1941. did heaps of trading with them merrily.
had switzerland not 'financed' nazis, they wouldnt stay as a neutral unoccupied country. germans would just take them over and finance themselves.
get real.
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This post has only marginally to do with the original post, so if you feel that this is a reason to mod down, feel free to do so.
Understanding the impact that the Wikileaks impact has on the world should be I believe a function of how Wikileaks meant to change the world. In light of this, I recommend you to read Julian Assange's essay "State and Terrorist Conspiracies", which functions as a sort of manifest. The document is only five pages long, so please shove the tl;dr and try to understand what's really happening
link (PDF format)
right...
This issue goes to the heart of the controversy over who controls the internet; specifically who controls ICANN and the DNS root servers.
Right now, DNS control resides with the United States, and up to this point they have defended this status quo by assurring the world that the US is a bastion of absolute free speech and therefore best placed to control this most centralised, hierarchical and critical piece of internet architecture.
And now, when faced with the first real and signifigant test of its will, the United States' resolve crumples almost immediately. Gone is any guarantee--implied or otherwise--that the DNS servers will be beyond political or domestic influences(In truth, the takeing down of "terrorist" sites has been ongoing for some years). The weak appeal that these are the actions of a private company is a thin rag which fails to cover the US governments nakedness. This censorship is on the express will of the government.
This was the first real test; the US failed it. This has the potential to split DNS completely; with US trust now bankrupt, no other country will give it credit. In 5 years time, when you go looking for wikileaks.org or indeed slashdot.org, don't expect to get the same IP address as everyone else.
May the Maths Be with you!
At what point will wikileaks go after who they were originally intended - despots in Africa and the Middle East, and maybe some dirty corporations? Just about everything that I've seen released this time is a bunch of "well, duh" stuff and driven by base anti-Americanism. I'm not saying some secrets don't need to be exposed, just that Assange seems so callous in doing it.
where should joe liebermann, be ?
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For fucks sake, can we give the social polemical shit a rest for just one article?
The heart of the internet just skipped a beat. This is important in a technical and political sense. Is it too much to ask for some comments giving technical insight into the DNS system, historical precedents, or exisiting context? Instead we get a +5 copy paste rant about the death of the middle class that could be placed in just about any other thread or a ZeroHedge comment section for that matter.
TOPIC, GENTLEMEN; PLEASE.
May the Maths Be with you!
Assange isn't committing treason against the US, dumbarse, because he's not a US citizen. Learn to think.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
Since when did Sweden start hosting .ch domains?
It's interesting that if you go to wikileaks.ch it redirects to http://213.251.145.96/. IOW once in you are using IP addresses and not names. No need for DNS anymore! And nobody should care because you merely click links after that. Brilliant.
I recommend that all of you, your children, your grandmothers and your mothers download the "history insurance" file that was tweeted 3 days ago.
I sense that they will soon give up trying to go about this in a diplomatic fashion and just leak the key for the AES256 encryption. Then BOOM! Thousands of people will have the entire cable archive (or at least a large part of it) on their home computers.
"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me."
Julian Assange: Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.
I mean... they already have got him fired!
Why can't
I know, rite?
Oh, cheer up. It's nearly (War On) Christmas time! :-)
Are you HONESTLY telling me in this world of Zimbabwe, North Korea, and China, that you dont think you have any freedoms in the US? Or that we're even close to having "freedom and justice" just as "buzzwords"?
The fact that people can vote-- and did so, ousting the conservatives that everyone was so aclamor about-- indicates that youre just spouting hyperbole without a shred of perspective. The country may not be perfect, but its phenomonally childish to complain about a lack of freedoms in one of the freest countries in the world. Ill note that people CONSTANTLY criticize, satirize, and insult our leaders, and yet noone has yet been put to death, imprisoned, or "disappeared" for doing so.
Grow up and join the real world, please.
"Who needs a trial?". Oh dear, the terrorists really did win.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
"OMG! Did you hear what he said about her! OMG! Did you hear what she said about him! LOLLLZZZ!!!"
Sigh. It would have been nice if they had been more selective about releasing documents and chose ones that really matter.
How the hell am I supposed to concentrate on getting MY work done when the government is working day and night to destroy our civil liberties, rape me financially and destroy the general quality of life of the working middle class. The most infuriating aspect of this is that they're stealing money out of my paycheck, thus forcing me to pay for my further enslavement.
He doesn't care who he hurts, or gets killed in the process. Sure, revealing human rights violations is one thing, but revealing names and locations of people who have given us confidential information because they might get killed for it is something else.
have those people who were participating in effecting operations, kidnappings, torture, invasions, occupations of united states around the world, been caring who might get killed ?
huh ?
they willfully, dutifully participated in these operations, directly or indirectly, doing whatever function that was assigned to them, DESPITE all the issues coming out to media for years now. for, approx 8 years even. they didnt have any worries about the ethics of what they were doing.
why the fuck should we care, if any of them are killed, because of leaks ? give me a SINGLE reason for that ?
no no - i have to make a correction - there WERE some people who worried about the ethics of what they were doing. that is the very reason we have these leaks.
now, stop watching faux news.
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Your economy is in the shitter because you've spent trillions chasing ghosts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe if you spent the money on, gee, INFRASTRUCTURE, like rail and roads, and thereby plowing money back into your own country, you might have something to show for the last ten years, instead of thousands of dead soldiers.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
And how do you get the IP addresses for your URL shortener? Are you proposing some kind of two-class Internet, where 'important' sites (like bit.ly) have their addresses distributed by DNS, but others rely on your horrible fragile mechanism? How do you handle people moving IP? My server has changed hosts twice and changed IP addresses a total of five times, but the DNS still works - do URL shorteners let you change the shortened address later? How do you handle fail-over and load balancing? A DNS server can return multiple addresses, which a client then (automatically) tries in order until it finds one that works. No such feature exists with IPs distributed by URL shorteners. How do you handle caching? DNS scales because ISPs and large networks can cache the results. Do you want everyone to have to go via an HTTP proxy? Do you have any idea of the overhead of an HTTP redirect compared to a DNS lookup? Do you really want to see a system that's more centralised than DNS replace it, at a time when people are complaining that DNS is too centralised?
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I applaud what Wikileaks is doing, but from a strategic sense, I think they might be making an error in leaking information that reflects poorly on Russia. Almost impossible to keep up with this stuff, but e.g. in The Guardian:
"Russia armed Georgian separatists, Alexander Litvinenko murder 'probably had Putin's OK', Cables claim Putin has secret wealth hidden abroad." etc. etc.
Aren't Russia and other Eastern European countries prime territory for setting up web servers free of interference from Western censorship efforts? The Wikileaks operators obviously know more than I do about circumventing censorship and finding ways to keep their site up and running after being booted from various hosts. Maybe there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere?
http://chat.efnet.org:9090/ -> channel dot-p2p
I know there are a lot of people among you who can contribute A LOT due to your skills. it is time to put your skills to use for your and others' freedom. So that we can be truly free on the internet regarding domain names.
http://dot-p2p.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
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They are based in switzerland, man. No entity, person or corporation or government alike, can threaten switzerland, due to what is stored in swiss banks.
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Interestingly EveryDNS says that they terminated Wikileaks DNS hosting for "violation of the provision which states that 'Member shall not interfere with another Member's use and enjoyment of the Service or another entity's use and enjoyment of similar services.' The interference at issues arises from the fact that wikileaks.org has become the target of multiple distributed denial of service (DDOS) attacks. These attacks have, and future attacks would, threaten the stability of the EveryDNS.net infrastructure, which enables access to almost 500,000 other websites.
http://www.everydns.com/news.php
Because they were the target of DDoS attacks and those attacks may harm EveryDNS's services, they terminated Wikileaks account. Sounds like a pretty weak excuse.
Those who can, do. Those who cannot, sue.
also, no ddos attacks (supposedly over 10gbps) were ever confirmed by their upstreams (bahnhof/ovh).
The ddos attacks have been confirmed by Arbor Networks.
This image released by Arbor clearly shows a spike of over 10Gbps.
" . . . revealing names and locations of people who have given us confidential information . . ."
"us" == You and who else??
Your joke is oversimplistic and juvenile, and it proves your intellectual laziness. Its one thing to speak your own mind and voice your own opinions without fear of reprisals. That's what the First Amendment protects. It's quite another to knowingly accept into your possession classified government documents, and then purposefully spread those around the world. It's a crime in every nation, and in many (most?) it would get you executed.
... They are helping to silence one of the few nations that truly embraces freedom of speech, pulling a fog over the US ability to pursue intelligence details and make alliances with those nations far less frightening than those mentioned previously, and worse.
From that perspective, the United States is showing incredible restraint. Some might argue that the US is being chickenshit in not pursuing active and on-going espionage that is damaging to both foreign relations and national security.
You can try to flower this up and redirect the argument, but the simple fact is that WikiLeaks is a small group of self-righteous little pissants that think they have a right to derail international diplomacy. Under the best of all possible circumstances they are incredibly misguided and irresponsible, albeit well-intentioned, idiots. I dont personaly believe they are that noble. Even if WikiLeaks proves that the US does these backroom deals it's not going to stop the back room deals. It's just going to make it much more likely that people refuse to make those deals with the US, and more likely that deals are being done between China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela,
And that's aside from the fact that some of this leaked information actually names informants in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan who have aided the US govt and military. Those people, real people guilty of just try to make life better for their families, are walking corpses. It's just a matter of time before they are murdered for what they said. All they did was speak... freely.... They will die for it and you flippantly condemn them by supporting the right to sell them out as casually as if you'd laughed at Jon Stewart joking about George W Bush.
You're exercising your Freedom of Speech right here with callous disregard for the ramifactions, exactly as WikiLeaks has. Just because you have the ability to say a thing, doesnt actually mean you have the 'right' to, depending on the context. And it certainly doesn't mean that it's smart to. You and Assange would both do well to learn that lesson.
"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
The bailout money was more than both wars, and did go to 'help' the country. Not that it went to the right places or did any good.
I only have a very basic understanding of the under-the-hood stuff in the internet's DNS system, so maybe I'm missing something... but how would Wikileaks getting DDOS'd affect other customers of anyDNS? Was anyDNS getting DDOS'd?
Like, maybe every DDOS packet was preceded by a DNS lookup to determine the target IP was correct.... but unless I'm very mistaken about how DNS even works, that shouldn't affect anyDNS....?
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Also, Joe *LIBERMAN*.
weak is right. Apparently all you have to do to censor someone is do a DDOS for a little bit and the hosting service will drop the target because it impacts their other customers. The DNS registrar will delist them for the same reason.
Only, don't expect this level of cooperation in censorship if the DDOS target isn't a clearly labeled enemy of the US government, and that is what really puts the lie to their statements.
some webhost space?
http://soylentnews.org/~tibman
Yes. I don't know if it's related, but Namecheap is currently under attack too and I'm personally affected by it. You cannot currently make any changes to DNS records and the domains resolve slowly. That means tens of thousands of customers and businesses.
What does everyone suggest that they would do? Of course they will have to get the one that causes trouble for so many other customers. anyDNS was also being tolerable about it - they told wikileaks they will cease the service for them after 24 hours. During that time all it would had taken from Wikileaks was to change their nameserver records somewhere else. No domain has been taken down.
True. And I wonder if another domain running from EveryDNS was hit by a similar DDoS attack would also get booted. Somehow I doubt it.
Those who can, do. Those who cannot, sue.
If only browsers bookmarked the IP address as well as the domain name.
It would be an interesting feature to have, but generally speaking if you've been to the site, odds are pretty good you still have the A record in your local DNS cache. I find it easier to look this up on Windows than Linux. For Windows, you just run "ipconfig /displaydns", for Linux you need to have caching nameserver running, and then either dig or nslookup the site in question against your local caching nameserver.
Your economy is in the shitter because you've spent trillions chasing ghosts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Correction. We've spent trillions trying to "democratize" Afghanistan and Iraq. That's quite different than fighting terrorists as the GP suggested we do.
Surely Tableau's takedown was a (successful) marketing program. Nobody had heard of them before, now everybody has.
Id like to clarify that I dont think "we're not as bad as a 3rd world dictatorship" is a reason to give anyone a pass; but to hear someone complaining about their utter lack of freedom in one of the freest societies in history has got to be highly insulting to those who live in truly tyrannical, oppressive societies, and would quite literally die (Tianamen square?) for the freedoms that are being scoffed at here.
The biggest portion of my complaint is that there seems to be no weight whatsoever behind your assertion of "free as long as we dont cross our politicians". What happened to the pentagon papers leaker Daniel Elsburg? Oh wait, hes still walking free. What happens to talk show pundits who rail against politicians? Oh wait, they enjoy first amendment protections.
Maybe there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere?
See my other post here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1894524&cid=34433566
And I'm really half joking only.
Don't quote me on this.
Nothing that is happening now with ICANN and DNS root servers couldn't happen with some other organization controlling root servers (the registrars are dumping wikileaks), this has nothing to do with root servers...
You are just crying wolf and taking advantage of this situation to push your agenda. If you think this has anything to do with root servers, you should go back to and retake internet 101.
There are many valid reason to have a more independent entity control DNS root servers, but the takedown of an individual site by persuading individual registrars to dump their clients is not one of them.
"to knowingly accept ... classified government documents, and then purposefully spread those around the world [is a] crime in every nation, and in many (most?) it would get you executed."
Oh? So where are the criminal indictments? What U.S. criminal statutes are they violating by making these documents available? Why aren't the mainstream media outlets (like the New York Times) being charged with a crime for publishing the exact same content? There was probably some sort of violation of law when the documents were originally released, but I think you forgot that the First Amendment not only protects the rights of the individual, but also the freedom of the press.
This is just the federal government having a temper tantrum because someone decided to air their dirty laundry. Also interesting to note that we saw the previous release of the Iraq/Afghan war documents with SOME fanfare, but things went ballistic as soon as Assange announced that they had dirt on a big bank.
Free speech has ramifications? Hopefully the ramifications here will be a complete dismantling of our saber-rattling, imperialistic foreign policy!
Obama is your president, and Hillary is your secretary of state. of course liberals are never responsible for anything. you guys are baby cowards.
Yeah, they're all for transparency, as long as it doesn't apply to them...
Yeah, Merika! Merika! (my country right or wrong) !
If nothing else, patriotism makes you feel good.
- But if patriotism is a virtue and not just a replacement for whatever else you lack, shouldn't it make things better?
As I said before:
If Americans wouldn't take Wikileaks as an attack on their national ego but as an opportunity to hold their beloved leaders accountable, much could be accomplished.
Yep, even if it does actually endanger *good* people (and while *good* is a quality judgement, I'll stand by it this time).
Among other information, Wikileaks released documents showing that US got advice from Lebanon defense minister about ways to defeat Hezbollah by Israel and also assurances Lebanese army will not participate in the conflict. Now, I try not to label things "good" or "bad" needlessly - most are neither, but if the label of "bad people" ever has to be used, Hezbollah is it. Not only that, but there is fairly little doubt that Lebanons' defense minister's life is now more in danger, than it was previously (granted Hezbollah probably didn't like him much before - they are kinda big on that).
Is that a document release of which has a value to anyone but Hezbollah supporters? I'd like to know what the legitimate reason would be for anyone not related to the issue to have this information and how it promotes peace, freedom or anything else of use?
Now, I'll grant you - it's one document, but honestly the result of release of this one document may not be worth the rest of it. IMHO
(link to news here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j799Vr28IKzO7Q9ZcakIy5tAb3sg?docId=803fcc9dded74cb4abf7ab3fc52ebc6b)
Yup. The problem is having a point source for information. What we really need is a kind of SETI project where you've got a very-low-impact virtual storage medium. It could work like Amway pyramid schemes, except nobody gets stuck waiting for the millions of packets to show up. Just above this distributed layer, what you see is Wikileaks.ch, which you can use as before. The distributed storage level (a "cloud," by any chance?) could be embedded in everyone's Linux kernel... Hmmm... Sort of like a... like a... (*caff*) virus...
``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
thanks muchly for linky
TL;DR
Seriously.
We both said a lot of things that you are going to regret.
After reading the comments, what has me worried most is the pathetic state of spelling and grammar.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
This is what its for, make it damned near impossible to censor it. Also would give FN some much needed press and increase use.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
1) The money supply is limited. So the more the rich guys have, the less YOU have
For love of God that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, there has to be a million websites devoted to exposing (take your pick) the John Burch Society/Illuminati/Trilateral Commission/KKK/The Communist Party/Zionists-Caballists/Free Masons/Knights of Columbus/The Templars (sorry if I forgot your favorite conspiracy group) conspiracy to move the world from a floating money system to a fixed or gold standard money system that they will control.
If there really wasn't enough money to support our economic activity, people would start using barter more than they do now. That means the government loses track of the income and therefore income taxes, so they'll just increase the money supply to drive the economy above-ground. If we have a problem it's more likely along the lines of too much money in the system.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
You know what? I am getting really fucking tired of everyone ragging on Americans being lazy and apathetic. How about we see how other populations act under the same bombardment of signals that the average American receives.
I am going to bet that humans are pretty much the same everywhere and that what nation you are from is not going to determine if you are apathetic, stupid, and lazy or not.
So yeah, okay, I get it, the American population is subjugated (by the media?). Either get off your high horse and do something constructive about it or shut the fuck up. You could end up in the same situation (or worse).
strike
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
From Wikipedia:
"Liberal members of the Democratic caucus were reportedly angry at the decision to not punish Lieberman more severely. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont (who is also an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats) stated that he voted against Lieberman "because while millions of people worked hard for Obama, Lieberman actively worked for four more years of President Bush's policies."[49]
Lieberman's embrace of certain conservative policies and in particular his endorsement of John McCain have been cited as factors for his low approval rating in Connecticut: 38 approval to 54 disapproval. "This is the highest disapproval rating in any Quinnipiac University poll in any state for a sitting U.S. Senator — except for New Jersey's Robert Torricelli, just before he resigned in 2002. Among those who say they voted for Sen. Lieberman in 2006, 30 percent now say they would vote for someone else if they could."
Can someone please explain why this flip-flopping, opportunistic little man is still in office? What leverage does he have that allows him to stay seated in the face of such approval/disapproval ratings?
Good old Slashdotters. They consider airport body scans to be an intolerable abridgment of privacy, yet they see no problem whatsoever with publishing private diplomatic communications because "information wants to be free".
Personal Privacy != Government Secrecy
Bullish Machine Tzar
What does everyone suggest that they would do? Of course they will have to get the one that causes trouble for so many other customers. anyDNS was also being tolerable about it - they told wikileaks they will cease the service for them after 24 hours. During that time all it would had taken from Wikileaks was to change their nameserver records somewhere else. No domain has been taken down.
It's highly recommended to run nameservers on entirely different subnets for reliability against network outages. I'd extend that and say that you may want to consider using entirely different DNS companies.
So in your case, if your DNS provider was being DDOSed, your other nameserver could pick up the slack. In Wikileaks' case, I don't know why they aren't running their own nameservers to begin with.
Bullish Machine Tzar
With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite.
How do people get to a website on bt.ly if there is no DNS?
Actually, it worked and the recession is ending. In fact, jobless claims (people trying to get unemployment) peaked (at almost 650,000) on Apr 2, 2009. We have a functioning banking system, jobs are picking up every month (now at around 400,000, which is close to "normal"), home prices are climbing out of the shitter. When money like that is spent it takes time to filter out and hit the system. But it did restore confidence.
Now, you can spout whatever talking points you want about the Obama and democrats spending huge amounts of money but the money supply has grown every year for a damn long time. People don't understand money is the problem. Money is like TCP or UDP packets of information on the internet. Guess what, to move more data between two points you need more packets. No one complains that there are 10 million times as many packets today on the internet as their were 10 years ago. No one complains that their 28,800 bps modem has been made obsolete by huge internet companies "printing more packets". Money is the same thing. Money is not "something", it's a medium which we can transmit information with. With the rise of the global enconomy, digital commerce and payments, debit cards, and of course a steadily growing world population demands more money for more transactions. Money itself is nothing, it's just a way to exchange information. Yes, the value of money is variable based on the quantity and yes it's not a good investment to hold on to it when there's inflation. But when you see inflation coming you need to buy real stuff, it's not that big of a deal. Enough people buy real stuff, the values go up and the inflation is naturally absorbed. It's really quite beautiful.
Cool! Amazing Toys.
you sir, are a complete and total fucking idiot.
Just bought a new quantum computer, but I'm uncertain how it works.
I'm Australian, you moron. My country's economy is leaving yours for dead.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
I used Firefox and Chrome on Ubuntu. I want it to `just work` - I don't want to dick around with this or that app. I want bookmarks to bookmark a different string, that's all - the one that would work more often than currently. Yes, every few years I'll have the incorrect bookmark because the IP address might change etc, but manifestly this happens less often than the DNS going down.
I used Firefox and Chrome on Ubuntu. I want it to `just work` - I don't want to dick around with this or that app. I want bookmarks to bookmark a different string, that's all - the one that would work more often than currently. Yes, every few years I'll have the incorrect bookmark because the IP address might change etc, but manifestly this happens less often than the DNS going down.
I didn't disagree with you, I thought it would be an interesting thing to add on. Perhaps even in the form of it first trying what it has as the domain, then if it fails after some timeout, it could try the last known A record that it would keep stored as part of the bookmark.
I was just tossing out that you could, should you want, recover resolved IP's of places you've been since currently browsers do not offer this feature.
Isn't that just normal load balancing, if done properly?
I may be oversimplifying but figured I'd ask.