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Cheap 3D Fab Could Start an Innovation Renaissance

blackbearnh writes "An article over on O'Reilly Radar makes the argument that, just as inexpensive or free software development environments have led to a cornucopia of amazing Web and mobile applications, the plummeting cost of 3D fabrication equipment could enable myriad new physical inventions. The article was prompted by a new Kickstarter project, which if funded will attempt to produce a DIY CNC milling system for under $400. Quoting: 'We're already seeing the cool things that people have started doing with 3D fab at the higher-entry-level cost. Many of them are ending up on Kickstarter themselves, such as an iPhone 4 camera mount that was first prototyped using a 3D printer. Now I'm dying to see what we'll get when anyone can create the ideas stuck in their heads.'"

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  1. Excuse me, but.. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    I need to apply for patent lawyer school, pronto.

  2. That, or... by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "What? They want $50 for that part?? Screw that, I can make it myself for $10."

    And thus, a new legal conglomeration will be formed, akin to the RIAA and MPAA, but this time to sue people for owning fabrication gear.

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    1. Re:That, or... by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not until they start trading commercially developed CNC path programs for the parts.

      Anyone can make their own music and movies, it just turns out that you get a much more polished product that doesn't take dozens or hundreds (or more) hours of your own time.

      The question will be come whether sharing or selling the digital reverse-engineered program you feed to your 3D printer is legal. Physical items are generally not copyrightable, and I believe selling copies of patents (which describe HOW to make an item) is also legal. Now, if a CNC path is simply a set of descriptive data describing a physical object, it may also fall outside of a "creative work." That kind of stuff should clog the courts for a while...if this every takes off. How many people are going to drop $400 and several hundred hours of time to make personal replacement parts?

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    2. Re:That, or... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The path may well be counted as IP and, hence, licensable. CNC programmers (I used to work at an aerospace parts manufacturer, hence why I know this tidbit) can create the same part in many different ways, depending on how fast or how efficient they want the process to be.

      So while a model file showing all the dimensions of a part may be freely tradeable, the machine path required to build that part in the least time or least material may well be copyrightable under current laws.

      O'course, it could always be counted as a trade secret, but that's another kettle of beans altogether.

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    3. Re:That, or... by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have an immediate need for two small plastic parts for my car front bumper which spray water on the headlights. They have broken off over the years due to encounters with snowbanks, etc. Dealer wants $110 EACH for them but they look like they cost about $1 to make. I'd love to make my own.

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    4. Re:That, or... by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you posted on the reprap forums very likely you could find someone in your area with the means to print objects in 3D.

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    5. Re:That, or... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2

      If generated automatically by the software, then the path would derive the copyright on the software license that generated it, I think. All the more reason to generate your own paths by hand, then. ;-p

      But yes, this seems to be a particularly fertile area of legal ambiguity. The IP flamewars over this are going to be -epic-. I'm going to have to buy stock in popcorn manufacturers.

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    6. Re:That, or... by oldspewey · · Score: 2

      Why buy stock in popcorn manufacturers when everyone is now going to have the ability to fabricate their own popcorn?

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    7. Re:That, or... by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Assuming he is referring to the injection nozzles, I doubt it you can make a quality part on a reprap. You can probably make ones that work, but they wouldn't be any good IMO.

    8. Re:That, or... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, and even with this widget you would need to

      1. Find the 3D representation of the little plastic part or
      2. Create the 3D representation of the little plastic part
      4. Find something on the order of the correct plastic - since it was likely a mass molded part in the first place, you would have to find a plastic that had something similar to the mechanical properties of the original but was machinable
      5.Set up your machine
      6. Run the parts through the cycle a few times (or a hundred times depending how good a machinist your are or are not)
      7.Shut the machine down, clean up, install part
      8. Repeat the whole cycle when you figure out you neglected to add the little plastic tab that broke off in the first place thus starting this whole commotion.

      Just buy the damn part or use duct tape... People have had DIY 3 axis machines for years with CNC capability (See weird w's post above). Sherline Tools sells the canonical setup. Cost you about $1000 but you will spend many more hours and dollars learning how to use it. Even with CNC, there is an art to figuring out how to cut something complex out of a block of material.

      So I don't think bringing the costs down to $400 is going to make much of a difference. It will still take lots of time and effort and the couple of hundred dollars a dremel tool based rig is going to save isn't going to get you anywhere.

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    9. Re:That, or... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is eminently possible that really widespread 3d printing(unlike novelty prototype stuff where the copies are worse and more expensive than the real thing) would simply lead to a change in the law to "address the problem". In this case, for instance, the proposal was advanced to create an entirely new form of "intellectual property" consisting of the shape of boat hulls, because it was trivial for company B to copy company A's design just by buying one, taking an impression, and then producing as many fiberglass copies as they could sell.

      If memory serves, something similar was done for IC masks, and in the EU certain geographic regions now have a novel form of quasi-trademark status, not belonging to a company or person; but to a place(ie. Heinz inc. or licensees are the only ones who can see 'Heinz brand catsup'; but anybody can market sparkling wine as 'champagne' IFF it was produced in Champagne, and under no circumstances otherwise.)

      I would assume that truly practical 3D printing would draw the fire of incumbents, much the same way that VCRs, MP3s, etc. did, as soon as they become economically viable. It will also be interesting to see if there is some "hardware DMCA" blocking the reproduction of parts that incorporate 'anti-reproduction-technology like microdots or GUID RFIDs or the like'...

    10. Re:That, or... by jgagnon · · Score: 2

      Imagine the power to turn any cheese into Swiss cheese... !!!

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    11. Re:That, or... by TheL0ser · · Score: 2

      We already have that. It's called a shotgun.

    12. Re:That, or... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The current technology allows anybody with a couple of grand and a fair bit of time build fairly complex stuff. The major impediment is a rather limited set of materials that are 'easy' to work with. Using other materials (like Stainless Steel) takes much more work).

      I don't think you will see devices that can scan a complex object and then 'print it out' without much in the way of user knowledge and intervention. The actual machining aspect is only a small part of this. For your application, there are a bunch of devices that can do the job today. Heck, you can even upload your designs to a number of small run fab shops for very reasonable prices.

      Extruder technology is going to be limited to stuff that you can melt or liquify. I doubt anybody has extrudable aluminum as of yet.

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    13. Re:That, or... by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      scanning an object into autocad is fairly easy with the correct equipment. I could see someone tearing their favorite engine down and documenting every single part in autocad then offering it up for free on their enthusiast website. We're already getting DMCA take down notices for scanned pages of service manuals so I don't see this sort of thing being far off...

    14. Re:That, or... by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work in a research hospital. I recently had a conversation with our in-house shop guy, while he was doing a 3D build of a prototype part for me. He said this is a huge friggin' deal for people in the industry. He has had his finger on the pulse of this for quite some time now, and the big companies are very definitely worried about this. Right now, he can make anything he wants, and the only major issue is cost of materials. In the future, especially when metal forming rather than plastic is more easily done, who knows? His take is that the commercial-size 3D printers are quite likely going to come complete with DRM systems that will check specs and refuse to print anything that matches certain database flags. He doesn't like this, but he sees it on the horizon. As it is now, it's cheaper for us to do prototyping and then have a manufacturer mass-produce the part we designed; it won't be too much longer before it's just as cheap and fast to do it in-house. Manufacturers are worried. They won't sit idly by and let it happen without a huge fight.

    15. Re:That, or... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      And thus, a new legal conglomeration will be formed, akin to the RIAA and MPAA, but this time to sue people for owning fabrication gear./quote

      Cue MAFIAA advertisement ...

      Q: "You wouldn't steal a car would you?"
      A: "No, so I won't steal movies either!"

      What people really think:

      A: "No, but I sure would download one if I could!"

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    16. Re:That, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I own a makerbot, roughly the same machine as the reprap...

      I agree, you could not make without any post processing injection nozzles on the reprap. These are actually spray nozzles he's asking for, but same idea.

      You could absolutely get the mechanical strength you wanted, ABS is very strong stuff and stands up well to the elements when dyed or painted (UV can break it down over time)

      The issue would be the nozzle itself... any spray or injection nozzle wants to promote laminar flow until the working fluid leaves the nozzle. Reprap prints have small to microscopic blobs and threads sticking out of their surface - caused by everything from a dirty nozzle to bubbles in your feed plastic.

      Easily solved though. Print a nozzle body and drill out the actual channel. My dremel drill press sits right next to my makerbot for a reason. If you're having a hard time getting it square and true, print out a jig to hold the nozzle true while you drill it as well.

      Back to the OP's point - none of that is protected by IP law. If I want to, based on a physical examination of a part, create a replica of that part, there's nothing stopping me. I might or might not be allowed to sell it, but until commercial gain comes into play I am definitely legally in the clear...

    17. Re:That, or... by Facegarden · · Score: 2

      That's not subject to copyright law. It's a trade secret, but the parts are not subjected to copyright, and neither are the plans. It's not anymore subject to copyright than the results of last nights sports game.

      And the machine path is even less protected than the designs are. It's governed based upon the rules of physics, not creativity and finding an efficient way of doing it is in and of itself a spur to innovation.

      I'm pretty sure the results of sports games actually are subject to copyright. At least, the MLB claims rights to the results and licences them to the people that distribute the information en mass (ie, a reporter saying who won seems to be fine, but websites that catalog and list all results have to pay). I don't know much about it, or how legal it is, but that is what happens. My friend wanted to make an app with sports results, and he found that they're hard to come by for free.

      And even if a part is not protected, the machine path should be. I design parts and program CNC machines, and it takes real work to make a good CNC program. It is not just the laws of physics, its how well I utilize those laws. We have another guy that knows a bit about CNC programming, by my programs are vastly superior because I've been doing it for many years. That is no different than a computer program, and if someone stole my program and used it to make copies of the parts, I'd generally want to sue them for theft and unauthorized reproduction. If they instead bought a part, and then reverse engineered it and made some themselves, I would feel much less wronged.
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    18. Re:That, or... by jacknineriper · · Score: 2

      "You wouldn't steal a movie. You wouldn't steal music. Downloading cars is stealing. Stealing is against the law".

  3. Re:FRIDAY! by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    +1 Informative, if only because I've never been bothered to make out what Rick Astley was mumbling between choruses.

  4. One problem by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2

    Autocad, the only fully featured program I've ever encountered that works well with 3D manufacturing devices, is still $4,000+ dollars.

    This is like the AutoCad is like the Photoshop to Gimp, in a manner of speaking. Yes you could probably find a free alternative that does what 60% of the people would use it for, but there is a reason Photoshop is still around, and a reason why both Photoshop and Autocad can charge ridiculous prices.

    1. Re:One problem by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 2

      Depends on what your goal is. There's plenty of free 3d modellers, plenty of free or cheap PCB routing software choices.

      For actually controlling the mill, in linux there is ECM2 which is a robust platform. http://www.linuxcnc.org/

      For PCB design there are a ton of choices but a popular hobbiest choice is EAGLE from CADSoft.

      In the future there will probably be a repository of available plans for download anyways, so people will be able to mill and print items without the need to design them first.

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    2. Re:One problem by ChefInnocent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're thinking all wrong man. I own a "vinyl cutter" (Wishblade) that came with some great software. I can do just about anything I want with it. I've made tons of stencils for cakes, woodworking, fabric patterns and other stuff for people. I can scan an image and have it on the cutter in minutes. There's a problem with it. It takes time to learn. It took me about a day to learn and I'm technically adept. My roommate, it would take her a long time to learn. She's been watching me make stuff for a year, and wouldn't know where to begin. She bought a machine which does something similar, but is far more limited. She bought a Cricut. She has made more stuff in the 3 weeks she's had it, than I have all year with mine because it is so easy for her to make stuff. The Cricut is not versatile. It is not cheaper than the Wishblade. It doesn't do half the cool stuff I can do. But she learned it in just a few minutes.

      Wishblade made a very nice product, and they will get to sell me overpriced cutting blades at $20 a pop. Cricut will not only sell their blades at $20 a pop, but you have to buy "fonts" to make it work at $20-$100 a pop. Her friends own about a dozen font cartridges each. Her friends don't need to buy expensive software or even own a PC. They just own a Cricut which holds their hand so they don't have to do any thinking outside the box.

      I'm trying to figure out how to make a 3d fab machine that takes font cartridges I can sell bajillions of. As a person very capable of doing stuff, I love the Wishblade over the Cricut every day of the week. But there is far more profit selling the Cricut. Photoshop is awesome, but when half the population doesn't understand MS Paint, your aren't going to sell to many copies of Photoshop.

  5. Please support this project! by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the cheapest path for a CNC and 3d printer in every home.

    I have done quite a bit of research on it and it's competitors (Zen Toolworks CNC, Mantis CNC, Makerbot, Cupcake CNC) and none lead to a completed kit for this low of a price without serious time investment, trial and error, and knowledge.

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  6. One step closer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    To being able to 'steal' the neighbors BMW.

  7. "Hello world" by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 2

    Finally every CS student can bring their time-honored declaration into tangibility!

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  8. Re:FRIDAY! by spun · · Score: 2

    How long before someone creates a tiny singing mechanical Rick Astley and names the file "NakedAngelinaJolie.cnc?"

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  9. Customized! by boristdog · · Score: 4, Funny

    And the customized sex toy industry takes off!

  10. Nothing New by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Other than maybe "it's already packaged".

    Search Google for "Home Made CNC". People have been making these out of OSB & plywood for a while.

    Here's a pretty nice one using an off the shelf router.

    Hack a day has an article from 2008.

    Another.

    They do require some technical knowhow. But that's about it. I think the most basic use parallel ports for IO.

  11. Desktop CNC by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone who works with CNC machinery on a daily basis as a manufacturing/mechanical engineer, having a cheap low cost DIY desktop CNC would be incredibly useful for home usage. However, this will be limited in it's capabilities. Cutting metals like aluminum usually requires coolant or else the material will melt and jam up inside of the flutes of the tooling. Steels can be air cut with the right carbide tooling, but I don't think this machine will have the structural rigidity required to cut steel. Generally the rule of thumb in machine design is to make your machine as heavy and rigid as possible. There is a good reason why these machines aren't cheap.

    Something like this will probably be useful for cutting plastics, wood, and maybe aluminum if your willing to mount a cooling and reclamation system. Also this system will be SLOW most undoubtedly. However it will have it's uses. Cutting HDPE to make molds for silicon casting would be one, great for modelers. Precisely making printed circuit boards would also be another useful feature. Drilling wouldn't be too bad as long as the machine has enough torque. I think something like this would work well with one of the homemade 3D printers such as the MakerBot or Reprap.

    I'm very curious on my end, might end up building one if I can get my boss to let me utitlize company machinery to make one.

    1. Re:Desktop CNC by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good luck with the latter... Machine time is expensive. :(

      Personally, I'd use this to make specialty cabinets. Simple 3-axis is all you need, and if you keep the spindle speed down, wood does not need coolant.

      For a coolant "enhancement" though, you could add another opcode to the G-program to turn on essentially an aftermarket watergarden fountain pump, and mount the machine over something like a bathtub. That way you could turn on coolant for soft metals like aluminum and copper.

      Mild steel would be OK with the right cutters, but anything in the hard steel category would most certainly be outside the cutting abilities of the proposed spindle for this DIY kit. (Prototype specs a dremel tool.) You would just need to sacrifice speed for utility by turning up the spindle speed and radically reducing the depth of cut.

      Granted, that would RADICALLY shorten tool life-- and cutters aren't cheap.

  12. So let me get this straight by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    So let me see if I understand this, the thought here is that I donate to fund their building a product they will sell?

    Why in the hell would I do that?
    If the plans were FREE, that might be something, if the software was FREE that might be a reason, but to me this looks like asking me to invest in their company without any possible upside for me.

    1. Re:So let me get this straight by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have it wrong.

      You pledge to support X dollars. Depending on your pledge, if the funding reaches it's goal, you get the CNC. If the funding doesn't reach it's goal, you pay nothing.

      So you decide what you want (just the plans, the electronics, the entire kit, or a preassembled unit), pledge the right number of $ and select your reward.

      You aren't giving them money for nothing. Consider it a preorder system where you don't have to pay unless they get enough orders.

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  13. Crap CNC machines by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's easy enough to build a crap CNC mill, but not very useful. This one is made of wood, and the bridge isn't even cross-braced. It's not going to be stiff enough to do decent work. Just because the cutting tool is a Dremel tool doesn't mean you can skip on rigidity. Dremel used to make a drill-press rig for their tools, and it wobbled so much it was useless. And that was just drilling. In milling, you have side loads.

    Little CNC mills have been around for years. Roland makes a nice little one. The usual little mill is a Sherline, and those can be equipped for CNC, although it's a retrofit. A Sherline can mill aluminum and mild steel. The MicroLux, at $499, is about as low as it gets in milling machines that can cut metal. That's not a CNC machine, but retrofits are possible.

    These guys aren't the first to propose building a toy CNC mill. The Art Institute of Chicago has a little wooden CNC mill. And unlike these guys, who are peddling vaporware, the Art Institute machine exists. The Art Institute machine can be made from flat stock with a laser cutter. It can't mill hard materials, but if you're just making models of designs to look at, you can use various easy-to-mill foams, plastics, and waxes. A slightly bigger wood CNC machine is at Build Your CNC. Those are all proven designs.

    Hype about CNC milling seems to be highest among people who've never used a milling machine. CNC mills are great devices, but they're not magic. The smaller machines don't cut very fast, the cutting tools are expensive, the process is messy (if you're cutting metal, you're constantly pouring coolant on the cutter, and in high-speed machines, the coolant flow is garden-hose sized), and for complex objects, clamping the work out of the way of the cutter is a hassle.

    If you want to play with CNC on line, download the demo version of VCarve, which is a CAD/CAM design tool for 3-axis milling machines. VCarve will give you a sense of what you can and can't do with a 3-axis mill. VCarve can simulate the cutting process in 3D and show you what the finished part will look like. There's a really impressive solid modeling engine inside that program. VCarve (the pay version) will output the files to drive a CNC mill to make the part.

    At the high end of CNC, there are 5-axis machines with tool changers, and software that can use all those features to full advantage. Watch this demo of Hypermill driving a Daishin 5-axis mill. The software package alone for that costs $20,000. The software figures out which tools to use in what order, and how much clearance is required to get the cutting head near the work. That's approaching the "replicator" level of CNC.

    Now what would be interesting is to put a Dremel tool on a multi-axis robot arm, with force feedback from servomotors and Hypermill-like smarts. That would allow real 3D work, not just top-down 3-axis work. Most of the dumb 3-axis machines use steppers, so they don't know how much load is on the structure, and can't compensate for deflections under load. With servomotors, the software could compensate for some lack of rigidity.

  14. I can do that for a Dollar by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Buy a pen-knife.

    Larn to whittle.

    Get off my lawn.

  15. I made me a CNC machine - laser that cuts metal. by ratwing · · Score: 2

    Its pretty cool, and written up here: http://nilno.com/

  16. Example by pgn674 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is an example of what happens when you have an idea stuck in your head, and you have pencil and paper at hand: YouTube - Doodling in Math Class: Infinity Elephants

    And here's what happens when you have the same idea and a 3D printer on hand: Vi Hart: Blog: Entry

    Just drawing stuff and 3D printing stuff because it's nifty. This is one of the places where awesome things come from.