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Putin Orders Russian Move To GNU/Linux

Glyn Moody writes "Vladimir Putin has signed an order calling for Russian federal authorities to move to GNU/Linux, and for the creation of 'a single repository of free software used in the federal bodies of executive power.' There have been a number of Russian projects to roll out free software, notably in the educational sector, but none so far has really taken off. With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?"

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  1. I knew it! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linux really IS communist!

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    1. Re:I knew it! by fishexe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Linux really IS communist!

      But this would indicate Linux is post-communist kleptocratic...

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    2. Re:I knew it! by burnin1965 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've been spending way too much time in a French cave.

      The Russians left Communism behind around 1991 and have managed to leap past the United States to Mafioso Capitalism. Though the U.S. is trying hard to catch up.

    3. Re:I knew it! by nanospook · · Score: 3, Funny

      Umm.. RED HAT!

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    4. Re:I knew it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1991? I think you got the numbers mixed up. Try 1919.

    5. Re:I knew it! by Krigl · · Score: 2

      As long as the current Czar is former KGB colonel and their journalists are murdered more often than anywhere else, I'd say let's not bother with splitting hair and keep the handy communist tag ready. It might not be accurate but it wasn't after all even during USSR times, that which we call feudal autocracy by any other name would reek as foul.

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    6. Re:I knew it! by darkpixel2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Linux really IS communist!

      Already there are communal hallways and television sets.

      Stop this sinister sharing before we get communal toothbrushes!

      This just in: Sarah Palin can see GNU/Linux from Alaska!

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    7. Re:I knew it! by mcvos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, they're subtly different. The US is a plutocracy, Russia is a kleptocracy. So in the US, corporations give money to politicians in order to buy power, whereas in Russia, politicians and corporations take money from the state in order to enrich themselves.

    8. Re:I knew it! by tbannist · · Score: 2

      Maybe I'm particularly cynical today but it seems to me the difference is:
      Communists pretend the kleptocracy doesn't exist, while libertarians pretend the kleptocracy is good.

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  2. Putin and freedom !!?? by JonySuede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?

    I am pretty sure that Putin don't care about the freedom part of free software

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    1. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?

      I am pretty sure that Putin don't care about the freedom part of free software

      Why is that? Putin is acting on behalf of the government who are primarily users, not developers of software they hope to sell. The 'freedom" part is freedom for him, and brings real benefits to him and his, like the ability to gain free code contributions from others around the world and the ability to comparison shop when looking at vendors for support and the like. Any code generated by the government will likely cost less in the long run if they contribute it back rather than maintaining a fork.

      So really, while we may not see a pile of code contributions as a result of this, more adoption means more motivation to support it for hardware vendors and more motivation for application developers and tool creators to target it. And really, lack of momentum and market share is one of the biggest problems for OSS, a chicken and egg scenario.

    2. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by fishexe · · Score: 2

      With the backing of Putin, could this be the breakthrough free software has been waiting for?

      I am pretty sure that Putin don't care about the freedom part of free software

      For him, it's free beer that counts.

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    3. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pretty sure Stuxnet has got his attention. I assure you that the Free part is relevant, because the Open thing is part of the Free thing, and that means peer-reviewed software. Sure, you could still do something like Stuxnet in a Linux environment, but hopefully people are thinking about all kinds of security and not just precisely the same type of breach that is in the news.

      If Putin asked me (heh heh) how he could enhance the security of computing in Russia, I'd certainly suggest Linux, maybe even GNU/Linux.

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    4. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by aBaldrich · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it its "free from American companies" that counts.

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    5. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by gtall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For Putin, there are likely two draws to FOSS: 1. using it means money likely isn't being shipped to Western software companies leaving more for in-country software development, and 2. his mafia geeks in the FSB, the genetic spawn of the KGB, can check for any sneaky backdoors.

    6. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This.

      If Russia starts using Linux and demanding that app vendors make programs compatible for the OS, or else they will pay or find application vendors that will, this will get the mainstream guys to start treating Linux as a top tier platform and not something to hide in the server room racks.

      The result? A win/win/win situation. Linux can become an alternative to Windows. Application makers have a gigantic market (Russia, then possibly China, then perhaps Europe, anywhere there is distrust of closed operating systems.) Users have an OS choice that has proven itself in the "big boy" arenas that can run their applications without having to buy new hardware.

    7. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      I don't see the adoption of something by a dictator as a great endorsement. And I am certain that the code in theirs own repository will contain some kind of monitoring system of some sort that will report back to today's KGB

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    8. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by kenrblan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you have Putin confused with Boris Yeltsin. In regard to the move to GNU/Linux, I suspect Putin has seen the number of exploits and malware written for Windows and is aware that much of it originates in Russia.

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    9. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      Then his move might have unintended consequences. ;-)

      K.L.M.

      Are you trying to be funny or are you just that naive? Linux is "free" as in gratis. Putin does not care about the GNU "freedom".

      End users gain nothing from the GPL because it is not an EULA. It only applies to people who would modify and redistribute it outside of the organization they work for.

      If you read the license literally, the Russian government can modify it all they like as long at it is kept within the Russian government without ever contributing those changes back to the "community".

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    10. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is that a problem?
      Seems like complying with the GPL.

    11. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2

      I don't see the adoption of something by a dictator as a great endorsement.

      I don't care about celebrity or anti-celebrity endorsements. I care about real world effects upon the stagnant and broken desktop OS market. Charles Manson wore Levis jeans, that's not a reason for me to avoid them.

      And I am certain that the code in theirs own repository will contain some kind of monitoring system of some sort that will report back to today's KGB

      It's called the FSB now, and they may well insert backdoors in code they contribute or in a fork. Of course, we can always audit the code (and our security agencies will for any we use) and you can compile your own Linux distro and be largely compatible with their systems. This is nice because it opens up innovation and moves a large group of users to both open code and open protocols, making it easier to interoperate and more profitable to develop for Linux.

    12. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by icebike · · Score: 2

      I don't imagine the money is that much of a problem. Wholesale pirating may have been slowed down a bit by Microsoft in later versions of Windows 7, but I doubt it would affect the Russian Government. Organizations that big can get site licenses for dirt cheap.

      It might have something to do with not wanting to be dependent on US closed source technology. Or free of suspected back doors.

      In reality the question is now why Russia has ordered this, it is why is the US dragging its feet?

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    13. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      the Russian government doesn't buy too many games, so don't expect much progress on that front.
      Important($$) industry applications generally have Linux versions available. (Pro/E, Cadence, ...)

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    14. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by icebike · · Score: 2

      Stuxnet had nothing to do with windows. It attacked motor controller chips made by Seimans.

      Still your point is valid, the primary motive would seem to be to avoid dependency on untrustworthy software for which you can't even see the code.

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    15. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      I can think of many software that would require good GPU drivers...

      AutoCAD, and everything here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPGPU#Applications

    16. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure Stuxnet has got his attention. I assure you that the Free part is relevant, because the Open thing is part of the Free thing, and that means peer-reviewed software.

      There's nothing to stop Russia from creating their own version of Linux that's just as closed as Windows. Want to trying suing them in a Russian court for violating the GPL? Let me know how that works out for you.

      If Putin asked me (heh heh) how he could enhance the security of computing in Russia, I'd certainly suggest Linux, maybe even GNU/Linux.

      How much malware originates in Russia? Quite a bit. If Windows goes away and is replaced by Russian Linux the Russian hackers will simply change to a new target.

    17. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      China already has a flagship distro called Red Flag although I don't have any statistics available with regards to its number of users. I suspect some Chinese may be leery of using Red Flag for fear that it becomes a giant tattle-telling box.

    18. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see the adoption of something by a dictator as a great endorsement.

      Endorsement? Who cares about endorsement? What matters is results.

      If the Russian government moves to F/OSS, that will be good for F/OSS, just like IBM making F/OSS an integral part of its business plan has been. It doesn't mean they're good guys. They don't have to be. Dictatorial governments and giant corporations alike are pretty much always evil. Sometimes they do good as a side effect. When that happens, we should take advantage of it. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests."

      Leave the worrying about "endorsements" to people buying overpriced athletic shoes.

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    19. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      And Putin has a lot to gain through a homogenous network. Having one standard operating system that can almost be the swiss army knife of computing saves lots of money. Maintaining heterogenous networks with say, Windows, Mac, and Linux is a much larger headache. By standardizing everything on free, open source, and interoperable technologies, the savings are not small.

    20. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Surt · · Score: 2

      What binds the Russians to the GPL at all, a construct based on US copyright law?

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    21. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      What binds the Russians to the GPL at all, a construct based on US copyright law?

      Nothing. That is what Putin finds attractive about it. There is no large organization that would be able to go after them even if they created their own distro and did not release the source. Would the GNU or even the EFF have the resources to take on Russia? I think not.

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    22. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by ladoga · · Score: 5, Informative

      Stuxnet had nothing to do with windows. It attacked motor controller chips made by Seimans.

      It used four zero day vulnerabilities in Windows and the Siemens PLC's (that controls the VFDs) control interface runs on Windows.

    23. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by mjwalshe · · Score: 2

      Uncle Borris from the FSB comes round and pulls your fingernails out with rusty pliers

    24. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      How much malware originates in Russia? Quite a bit. If Windows goes away and is replaced by Russian Linux the Russian hackers will simply change to a new target.

      Great, I've been hoping for a useful selinux GUI, and this is just the thing to spur that.

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    25. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unless the Russian Government wants to sell its own distro, then contributions must be made back. But, who will enforce that?

      Simple, the same people as who enforce it in the USA: no one. People/organizations that are smart will voluntarily contribute back their changes, so they don't have to futz around with maintaining a separate codebase and merging it to the upstream trunk constantly. People/organizations who are stupid (like my last employer), won't contribute anything at all, and will waste a lot of time and be uncompetitive, and fail. My previous employer, who refused to contribute any changes, has been doing so poorly recently that they got bought up by their main competitor. Of course, it wasn't really the mere fact that they refused to contribute changes to OSS that caused their undoing, but that was one symptom of the stupidity that ran through the whole organization.

    26. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And more importantly, who cares? The Russian government isn't going to produce Linux-based appliances and sell them to us, refusing to release the source code. They're a government, not a commercial manufacturer, so any OSS software they use is going to be used internally only, not distributed anywhere. They're perfectly within their rights to make any changes they want and not release them; the GPL only says they have to provide the changes downstream, to people they distribute to. Again, as a government, they're unlikely to be distributing software to anyone but government employees.

      Of course, if they're smart, they'll contribute some changes so that they don't have to waste effort maintaining a separate codebase and merging it every time the upstream codebase changes. If not, no one here is going to notice.

    27. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Funny

      The result? A win/win/win situation.

      Don't you mean a 'lin/lin/lin situation'?

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    28. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In reality the question is now why Russia has ordered this, it is why is the US dragging its feet?

      I hope for your sake that's a rhetorical question, because the answer is obvious: the USA has a blatantly corrupt government, which is beholden to large corporations including Microsoft. It's a wonder the IRS doesn't require you to buy some expensive Windows-only software to file your taxes, and actually uses standard PDF forms.

    29. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      At least they only throw Russian journalists, living in Russia, into jail. This is different from the USA, where they want to abduct foreign journalists, not living or even traveling in the USA, and try them for treason and execute them.

    30. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Check for sneaky backdoors? No, I rather think they mean to add them.

      As we've seen in the open BSD case, its not so easy to spot a backdoor, even if its open source.

    31. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by gishzida · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why?

      How about Mr. P being upset that Microsoft got in the way of the Russian governments prosecution of Human Rights organizations, dissident organizations or "rogue millionaires" on the basis that they were pirating the software?

      The best way to slap a corporation back into line is by not buying what they are selling...

      Can you imagine what America would be like if Congress could not buy what the Corporations are selling... and were actually doing what they were hired to do?

    32. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Yeah I really don't see Putin as much of a "giver" or into sharing. As for TFA this is more likely a big Fuck You! to MSFT for giving oppressed non-profits free licenses in Russia. Before they did that one of the favorite ways to crack the whip on opposition in Russia was to say "Raid on Pirate software" and just take all their stuff. Now that MSFT took that trick away this is Putin's way of slapping them for not playing ball.

      So the GNU guys can scream about "Evil M$!" all they want but giving away those licenses just cost them some serious $$$ in license fees from the Russian government, that is of course assuming the Russian government used legit software. Of course the irony now is the big bad government will be using the "free as in freedom!" OS, while the oppressed fighting them will be using the "evil" OS from Redmond.

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    33. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that aristotle-dude was saying that it was a problem.

      This whole thread is based on racism anyway. As soon as I read the summary I knew that people would be joking about Linux being communist while other people would be suspecting the Russians of not playing fair (either not giving back to the community or poisoning the source with backdoors). It didn't take long for these suggestions to occur.

      My position is that it would be utterly stupid for the Russian government to NOT submit their changes back to world. Any changes they make would surely make the software work better for the Russian language and requirements. Why would they want to have to make their alterations again each time a new version of applications/OS is released? Why wouldn't they want their improvements to benefit the general population of Russia?

      Just because they want to standardize on their own repositry doesn't mean that they will hide it all away, just that they want the entire government to use consistent, vetted versions of software.

    34. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Someone please mod this idiot down.

      From http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic:

      Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?

              The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.

    35. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by gd2shoe · · Score: 2

      Interesting. I've not heard these allegations yet. Conspiracy theory or just trolling?

      (If you're talking about the wikileaks thing, they're not calling for the execution of Assange. Indeed, I haven't heard more than rumor that they'd attempt to extradite him. Calling him a journalist would be a stretch. Bradly Manning, on the other hand, is a US soldier and accused traitor. They're very different people. Please try to keep up.)

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    36. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Various US politicians HAVE called for the execution of Assange.

      And yes, he is a journalist. He receives information, and publishes it in a forum where anyone can read it. What, do you think people should have to get a special permit from the government to be considered a "journalist"? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Anyone with a website can be a journalist if they're publishing information. The only difference between now and 50-100 years ago is that the cost of starting your own journalism publication has gone from an extremely high cost (the cost of a printing press) to about $3/month for a low-cost web host.

      Manning was never a journalist, he was an informer. Traitor, maybe, but then again so is anyone in North Korea who doesn't think Kim Jong Il is a glorious leader, so I take that term with a grain of salt. Informers are how journalists get information that makes governments uncomfortable.

    37. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by hotfireball · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Guys, stop saying bullsh*t, for the sake of Universe... Use Google Translation and read Putin's order CAREFULLY, if you can not speak Russian! :( He orders to contribute and keep it all opened. If you missing that from the document, then problem is your personal, but stop spreading FUD, especially when entire country is serious ditching M$ away. Currently M$ is a god in Russia, does whatever they like and that's what government hates the most. Especially, if they never built their binaries of the OS from their audited code by themselves. How you can be so sure there are no backdoors planted to the Windows and how you can be so sure that the source code version that was offered for government review matches actual binaries deployed?

    38. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Third, Linux, and everything else have their own security problems to contend with. Linux == moar sekure is about as dumb as thinking a specific make of car makes you safer on the road.

      On average, some brands of car are more safe than others. Don't try to make car analogies, jackass.

      Do you think all those updates released every week for your Linux system are sugar plums and gumdrops?

      Oh, I see, you're a troll. I'm not going to rehash tired old arguments with you today.

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    39. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by fishexe · · Score: 2

      I think you have Putin confused with Boris Yeltsin. In regard to the move to GNU/Linux, I suspect Putin has seen the number of exploits and malware written for Windows and is aware that much of it originates in Russia.

      So why would he want to cripple one of his country's most productive industries?

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    40. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Lets cut through the jokes and freedom. One word Stuxnet. That spelt the ends of windows upon any foreign secure system, after that attaxk you would have to be a bloody idiot to continue down that path.

      Think about corporate for profit influence upon that country, if an overseas corporation proves to be excessively competitive and is crippling the profits of a local corporations, why not cripple that foreign corporations computer infrastructure. Face it stupidity like that is only a matter of time.

      With a FOSS OS and major applications, each government department can run slightly different versions that will not be affected by the same virii.

      The only question is how long will M$ wait before launching their own investigation and start seeking billions in damages against a country that used source code supplied by M$ to destroy the security reputation of that software. M$ are fully entitled to damages for the abusive use of the source code provided.

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    41. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by tftp · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's called the FSB now, and they may well insert backdoors in code

      Even KGB in worst times (70's-80's) wasn't that paranoid. There was no wholesale spying on people. In East Germany Erich Honecker did that; but in USSR KGB knew their foe, and the foe knew that. Everyone else lived their lives and didn't care about KGB. If you did something untoward KGB would actually summon you "for a talk" first, and only if you persist then harsher measures would be used.

    42. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by niftydude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a wonder the IRS doesn't require you to buy some expensive Windows-only software to file your taxes, and actually uses standard PDF forms.

      Yeah - lucky you. This year in Australia, the ATO has been in the progress of migrating it's tax submission system which used a java client that ran on windows, mac and linux, to a new tax submission system which now runs on windows only.
      If I want to submit my taxes online in OZ, for the first time in 10 years I'II now have to buy a windows license.

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    43. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by icebike · · Score: 2

      If all else were equal, you might have had a point.

      But since open source is not the same shoddy virus prone quality as any flavor of windows, all you have done is demonstrate your propensity to totally miss the point.

      Then there is the issue of cost. As a tax payer, I applaud any government using linux, even when it's not my government. So should you.

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    44. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      It's the same way here, if you want to file taxes online, but worse: you have to purchase a product from a private company like TurboTax to do it for you, and of course, TurboTax is only available on Windows (maybe Mac, I haven't checked).

      The fillable PDF forms are only for sending in your taxes by the mail, which is what I do. 1) I refuse to pay money to file my taxes, especially to a private company, 2) I also refuse to pay money to make the IRS's job easier for them (paper forms are harder to process), and 3) I've read of too many mistakes by these companies, causing users to pay far more taxes than they should. By simply taking a little time and reading through everything, I'm able to find all the deductions possible for myself and don't need some program to do it for me, poorly. The PDF forms are handy though, because you can download them, and fill them out on your computer instead of by hand.

    45. Re:Putin and freedom !!?? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      The American government hasn't been following the Constitution for many decades now. For instance, one of the Amendments prohibits illegal seizures without due process. However, it's completely normal over here for cops to take your cash, if you're carrying a lot of it. For instance, if you're stopped by a cop and found to be carrying $100k in cash, they'll simply take it, even if they never file charges, because it's "drug money". Granted, it's not usually a good idea to carry that much cash around instead of using a cashier's check or some other more secure way of moving money around, but still, it's your right. These seizures are blatantly unconstitutional, but they've been going on for decades.

      It's also possible to argue that many powers the Federal government has taken on over the past 60+ years are unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, which reserves all powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the States.

  3. At last! by gregthebunny · · Score: 4, Funny

    2011 WILL be the year of the [Russian] Linux desktop!

  4. i'm so sorry so sorry by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Funny
    In America, you put in Linux.

    In Soviet Russia, Putin Linux you.

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    1. Re:i'm so sorry so sorry by migla · · Score: 2

      That's GNU/Linux. Or should I say GRU/Linux...

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  5. Re:Glyn Moody is just trolling again by Voulnet · · Score: 2

    Really, is there anything wrong with wanting cheapness and robustness?

  6. American by Sanat · · Score: 2

    I am a true blue American and served my country during war time and ... yet... I find myself aligned more with Putin and his actions than with ANY political leader presently serving here in the USA. Perhaps, it is all publicity carefully crafted to make Putin look like something he is not, yet he seems to make so many choices that would parallel choices I would make if I were to be in his place.

    What do other see that perhaps I am missing?

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    1. Re:American by Cidolfas · · Score: 4, Informative

      The murder/arrest/expulsion of journalists and news sources who disagree with you? That's a big one for me.

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    2. Re:American by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would recommend either reading up on Putin's quietly enthusiastic suppression of opposition, close ties with a circle of crony-capitalist plutocrats who did very well in the post-soviet privatization, and vaguely sinister cult of personality.

      If you have already done that and still like him; I urgently suggest checking yourself for signs of closet authoritarian nationalism...

    3. Re:American by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like you, I'm an American vet, and what we fought for is still worth preserving, however tattered it may be.

      Look, Putin is a very, very smart guy, and he's made a lot of decisions that have been good for Russia. But the problem is that the system under which he makes those decisions -- Tsarism in all but name -- depends on having the decisions made by someone smart who has his country's best interests in mind. Putin's not immortal, and if he's followed by someone with similarly autocratic powers, there's no way to know what he'll be like. All it takes is one bad absolute ruler to wreck any amount of progress made.

      In the US, we can in fact limit the power of our leaders -- of course it doesn't work perfectly, and the current corporatocracy it seems like our "choices" at the ballot box don't matter a hell of a lot, but we do have a legal and non-violent mechanism by which we can replace our entire government in a period of no more than six years. Russia doesn't, not really; its electoral system is as firmly under government control as it ever was in the Soviet days. Which, as a lot of my older relatives can tell you, is pretty much the way things have always been in Russia, no matter the title of the guy in charge. Tsar, General Secretary, President, Prime Minister ... nothing really changes.

      Corruption, gridlock, and general incompetence may be the practical result of our system most of the time, but historically, autocracy is a hell of a lot worse.

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  7. GNU? by slapout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did Putin really say "GNU/Linux" or just Linux?

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    1. Re:GNU? by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did Putin really say "GNU/Linux" or just Linux?

      Putin's order didn't even say Linux. Says free software. Free as in speech. They already use free as in beer.

    2. Re:GNU? by jc42 · · Score: 2

      Hey, you're right! It's there at the end of the 2nd paragraph, where it refers to " ()", or "svobodnoye PO (SPO)" if /. does its usual thing of trashing non-Latin1 characters. So it really said "free" as in speech.

      Actually, I suspect that some of the other comments are relevant here: This looks a lot like the usual ploy that governments use to get a huge discount from Microsoft, by announcing a switch to linux. It's especially interesting in this case due to the earlier story about the friction between MS and the Russian government over MS's desire to get a crackdown on pirated MS software in Russia, and the government's desire for MS's aid in fingering some kinds of political activity. So all of this stuff may be the real story, and this announcement may well be just a play in the game.

      I would wonder why the Russian government would even consider using Windows, especially after the story recently about Windows doing automatic upgrades to parts of "the system" even if auto updates are disabled by the user. MS even admitted publicly that this feature has been in Windows since NT. MS can install any software they want in your machine (any time it's connected to the network), and you won't even know about it. I'd expect any government to respond to this story with an instant ban on the use of MS Windows. I wonder why this hasn't happened? Or is it happening, and they're all just being secretive about it? ;-)

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  8. In other news... by Krackbaby · · Score: 2

    And in other news, hundreds of top programmers in Russia have been summarily convicted of tax evasion and embezzlement, and have been sentenced to 20 years hard labor in the Siberian software mines.

  9. Re:Its about control/censorship by WaywardGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it's probably just the opposite. After the BSD backdoor story and after the Wikileaks cables, maybe Russia is concerned about using Microsoft Windows. Of course, Microsoft would *never* work with the NSA/FBI/CIA/Control/Chaos on back-doors that undermine the security of Russia... I can't imaging why they would want their own operating system...

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  10. Re:Politically motivated. by ACS+Solver · · Score: 2

    Quick note: it's free software, not necessarily Linux. The actual 18-page document which constitutes Putin's order doesn't mention GNU, Linux or any specific piece of software. According to the plan, in 2011 they'll form a "package" of free software that they need and in 2012 the government will be running a repository with it, so presumably it's next year for decisions on which software specifically it's going to be. Of course, Linux is very likely.

    As for motivation, one of the big things in Russia now is the idea of getting their own Silicon Valley (Skolkovo) up and running. They want their own stuff. And the document includes mention of looking into possibilities of how to support homegrown Russian software developers. While I'm sure they're happy to get away from an American company, this is also beneficial for Russia if it indeed wants to make its own stuff. There's obviously no commercial Russian OS that could be used as a basis for, well, anything, but building a successful Linux distro with state backing would be quite possible for them in the long-term.

  11. Re:Oh Please! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

    Care to lay odds on Putin losing an election, ever?

    Modern Russia is not so much post-Soviet as pre-Soviet; it's always been an autocracy and probably always will be. Or rather, it's long periods of autocracy punctuated by moments of sheer chaos. At least they've got a pretty good autocrat these days.

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  12. Re:Oh Please! by gtall · · Score: 2

    It never was a Marxist dictatorship. It was always a government kleptocracy. Now it is less so, but Putin is moving them back to the level of government kleptocracy he's comfortable with. You can take the man out of the KGB, you cannot take the KGB out of the man.

  13. Re:Glyn Moody is just trolling again by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    No, but don't try to veil this as some sort of win for the ideals of FOSS when it's not. It's a political play and nothing more.

    I am not a simpleton who believes USA GOOD RUSSIA BAD,

    Logical fallacy, false dichotomy. USA BAD, RUSSIA BAD.

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  14. "could this be the breakthrough... by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...free software has been waiting for?"

    No. Free Software has not been waiting for anything.

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  15. Re:Politically motivated. by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 2

    Quick note: it's free software, not necessarily Linux

    In fact, it's a cracked version of Windows 2000 that Putin found on a torrent site.

  16. Foreigners by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2

    Another case of lousy foreigners stealing American technology. Just like they stole our spacecraft and jet technology. And radar. Next thing you know, they'll have stolen our sushi and kung foo techniques too! At least we are assured that pizza and coffee will forever be known as ours!

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  17. Probably Not by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's probably just playing hardball with Microsoft for a discount. You may notice that every time some country announces that it's moving to Linux, they inevitably announce, 3 months later, that they changed their mind and are sticking with Microsoft. Turns out if you're a country and you want a huge discount on Microsoft products, you just announce you're moving to Linux.

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    1. Re:Probably Not by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      He's probably just playing hardball with Microsoft for a discount. You may notice that every time some country announces that it's moving to Linux, they inevitably announce, 3 months later, that they changed their mind and are sticking with Microsoft.

      Are you sure it isn't the other way around? A large entity transitioning to Linux is very bad news for Microsoft. Right now Windows has several advantages over Linux. We all know what they are: Windows runs legacy Win32 software better than Linux with WINE, MS Office is the de facto standard document format, etc. Insert whatever reasons you have for why Windows is on more PCs than Linux.

      The problem for Microsoft is that if a large entity with a lot of resources makes a serious push for Linux everywhere, those resources get behind fixing those issues. And, especially with governments, they have no good reason not to push their changes upstream to avoid having to maintain a fork that slowly diverges from the public tree.

      So if a large entity announces that it's transitioning to Linux, Microsoft has a real incentive to do anything they can to stop it. Free licenses, free services, free bags of cash money, anything. Because it's better for their bottom line to give stuff away to a government here or there than to sit by as that government makes enterprise-wide Linux "work" while demonstrating as much to the world.

      If what you're suggesting is actually what's going on then that is very bad for MS, because their strategy only works when hardly anybody threatens to go Linux. If governments and large corporations left and right are using it as a bargaining chip to vitiate Microsoft's licensing revenues then they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they keep offering sweetheart deals to everybody then they destroy their revenue base, but if they don't then some number of entities will start actually making the transition and the more who do, the more the others realize that it's doable.

  18. User/Lan Management? by novar21 · · Score: 2

    Novell eDirectory and ZENworks, Redhat RedHat Directory Server or 389 Directory Server, Apache DS, OpenLDAP Those are a few. Some are open source, others are not. Or it wouldn't be too tough to write their own, they have many with skills necessary to accomplish the task from scratch or reverse engineer what they like. They already have the source from Microsoft. Shouldn't be a big deal. IMHO.

  19. Re:Good luck managing that LAN by alcourt · · Score: 4, Informative

    A coworker of mine rolled out several years ago a robust, audit hardened user management framework for Unix systems that does very well in audits that Active Directory routinely fails. This sits on an estimated 20k-30k Unix based systems of multiple flavors.

    AD does not have a built in framework for account validation (asking appropriate authorities, does this account still need to exist?). The role based concepts are relatively primitive. There is no capability to preserve the authorization record for granting access. All of those concepts have to be added on.

    Actually deploying accounts, nothing beats actual local accounts. The trick is to have a robust agent that actually manages those accounts.

    I've reviewed some of the various enterprise grade products, and none of them did as well as this self-built product.

    Most products for user management simply have no mind to the audits, only pretty pictures. There is rarely even any logging of value.

    AD is really nothing more than LDAP + Kerberos with a pretty GUI. It simply should never be considered adequate in and of itself for user management because it does not address several key requirements of the area.

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  20. Re:Good luck managing that LAN by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 2

    AD does not have a built in framework for account validation (asking appropriate authorities, does this account still need to exist?). The role based concepts are relatively primitive. There is no capability to preserve the authorization record for granting access. All of those concepts have to be added on.

    This is the job of a configuration/workflow management tool.

    I've reviewed some of the various enterprise grade products, and none of them did as well as this self-built product....
    AD is really nothing more than LDAP + Kerberos with a pretty GUI. It simply should never be considered adequate in and of itself for user management because it does not address several key requirements of the area.

    Your self-built product is more than LDAP + Kerberos and a pretty GUI? You're lying to yourself if you think even a tiny fraction of UNIX deployments have THAT, whereas nearly ALL Windows Server deployments have AD. AD isn't the be-all-end-all, but "never considered adequate"? You are full of shit.

    Actually deploying accounts, nothing beats actual local accounts.

    WTF?
    This is the real truth, Kerberos + LDAP is too hard for the average UNIX admin team so they fall back to local accounts, broken ass AD integration that is harder than it should be, or "LDAP + Kerberos" with less features than AD. OR they buy VAS.

    1. UNIX systems are hard to integrate with AD
    2. AD is "Kerberos + LDAP + DNS"
    3. UNIX systems are hard to integrate with Kerberos + LDAP, and what's a service record?

    I'm sorry man, but I can't even begin to picture a homemade AD replacement that accomplishes a fraction of what AD does with as little effort and is not a complete maintenance nightmare. You're talking about integrating a LOT of things that mix like oil and water on their own, with what, some shell scripts? Perl? PHP?

  21. Re:Good luck managing that LAN by jimicus · · Score: 2

    Unix systems are easy enough to integrate with Kerberos & LDAP, but the entire system sets you up for failure in a number of ways.

    1. AFAICT, nothing uses DNS service records. So you have to configure your systems with the LDAP server by hand.
    2. The "free as in speech, set up your systems however you like" attitude means that there's about a dozen different ways you can configure it. The only problem is, different configurations aren't necessarily compatible with each other and there's quite a few variants which sort-of-work most of the time until they break. Then you realise the documentation wasn't quite as complete as you thought, and certainly wasn't put together with any thought given to robustness.
    3. Because of (2), the only reliable way to get it to work is you put together a known-good configuration, store it somewhere and religiously apply that every time. Ideally, you also need a way to distribute updates to everything in case you made a mistake.

    If you don't do this (instead relying on yourself being able to follow either your own documentation or that from somewhere else every time), you wind up with small discrepancies and some servers working just fine, others rather less so.

    This level of discipline is seldom seen in smaller organisations, and hence you wind up with Unix admins saying "LDAP is hard and prone to breakage".

    AD (at least from the perspective of client systems) on the other hand, only has one configuration and that's the one that's applied when you join the domain. It's much harder to mess up, and so much more likely to be reliably rolled out.

  22. Re:Good luck managing that LAN by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

    And this is why GPL exists. Does your co-worker or company care to contribute back to the Linux community? After all, they have benefited greatly from the free stuff they gained in the first place.. it'd only be polite to package, document and release your system after all. (and I'm sure you could get a load of people to help with that, which would not only improve it for you but also get some pretty cheap and powerful advertising for your company too).