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Apple Support Company Sues Customer For Complaint

tekgoblin writes "An Apple authorized Service Provider called System Graph is suing a customer who complained online about poor service from them. The customer Dimitrios Papadimitriadis took his iMac to them because he was seeing gray spots on his LED panel. The Greek company System Graph recommended a full interior cleaning of the iMac and performed the service for Dimitrios. He then got his iMac back and noticed moisture behind the screen and that it still did not work properly and took it back to the repair center. System Graph then told him that they needed to keep his iMac to replace the LED screen and he would be without it for another week.

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  1. Re:LED SCREEN? by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, newer Apple's use LED-backlit displays.

  2. PR nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Fast friendly service and if you say it wasn't we'll sure you". Apple needs to ship him a new computer and cut off ties with the service company. It'll cost them a 100X as much in the long run.

    1. Re:PR nightmare by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple also needs to lend him some lawyers. (He's being sued remember.) That act alone would undo all the brand damage this "support" company is causing.

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    2. Re:PR nightmare by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry, but Apple really doesn't care. My iMac was in for a warranty fix for over two weeks. The motherboard was replaced and then they had to replace the video card which was a separate unit. You can write them all you want, they don't even reply. While I like their machines their support does suck. If you have an iMac you have to bring it to an authorized service center which can be a real bear with the larger iMacs.

      I have a slightly different experience with their customer service. My 24" iMac stopped working on Dec. 13, 2010. It was freezing on startup. I called Apple on the 14th, and explained to them that I didn't have a vehicle so I couldn't take it in to the retail store, so they arranged for an on site repair at my workplace. They overnighted a package on the 15th, since cut-off time for Fed-Ex had already passed. The tech wasn't in to get the package on the 16th, so he got it on the 17th and called me. We arranged for him to come to my workplace on the 22nd since that was his first available day. He came in and replaced the logic board but that still didn't fix it. So he called Apple back and they said it must be the RAM, so they overnighted another package to him, and on the 23rd he met me at my house since I started vacation that day. He had to drive about 70 miles one way to get there, vs. 45 miles to get to my workplace. He replaced the RAM, and that didn't work either, so I had to run it up to the Apple Store, which was about 70 miles away from my home. They couldn't get it working either, so I had to leave it.

      They didn't call me back to let me know it was fixed until the 30th. While a week was a long time, they did have to order the part on the 24th, they were closed on the 25th, so they didn't even get the part until the 27th. Still, it was a lot longer than I would have preferred. So I drove back up to the Apple Store and picked it up in the afternoon. When I got home later in the afternoon, I started to restore my computer from my Time Machine backup. It was going to take about 5 hours, so I let it run overnight. Next morning, I got up and the computer was sleeping, so I jiggled the mouse to wake it up. Nothing. I held down the power button to make sure it was off, then I started it up again. I got the chime & a black screen. I tried it again, this time unplugging it first, and also zapping the PRAM on startup, but still, nothing.

      I was steamed, so I called the Apple Store & set up another "Genius Bar" appt. When I got up there, they tried booting it and got the same thing. He said he was going to see if they had another video card in stock so they could repair it. I told him everything I had already been through, and explained how I didn't have access to the computer for my entire vacation which ended on Jan. 3, and I was highly displeased. He said he would talk to their manager, and they ended up offering me a new 27" iMac for my troubles to replace my 2 1/2 year old 24" iMac. Granted, it did take a much longer time than I would have hoped, but I got a better outcome than I expected.

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  3. Here I thought we'd end through nuclear war... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But no, even worse: We're destined to entwine the legal system throughout every facet of our lives until we reach stasis between wanting to act and fearing to act and then entropy will take over and we'll just...stop.

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    1. Re:Here I thought we'd end through nuclear war... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

      fearing to act and then entropy will take over and we'll just...stop.

      so..... uhh .... can we have your liver, then?

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    2. Re:Here I thought we'd end through nuclear war... by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here in America, it is our legal system that is killing us. We have idiots running around blaming Unions, regs, and high labor/power costs. And yet, according to major industrialists who put up plants all over the world EXCEPT in America, they blame it on the fact that so many lawsuits are filed. According to them, our high costs are minor compared to the costs of dealing with GD lawyers. And what do these lawyers become? Politicians.

      I had hoped that ppl in America would take note, but we can not get slashdoters with the stories to even take note. I still see idiots here that blame unions, regs, while others blame business ppl. As such, I give little chance for the average citizen to figure things out.

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    3. Re:Here I thought we'd end through nuclear war... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lawyers don't file suits for the hell of it. They do it because they're hired to beat someone else in court.

      Who hires them? Big business. Who makes it easy for them by avoiding legislation for tort reform, and making new laws that are a lawyer's paradise? Politicians who were former lawyers, as you say.

      So it's not just the legal system. It's the whole culture that thinks lawsuits are the solution to any problem, a society that completely mistrusts government to regulate properly, so end up voting in complete scumbags because they had a better funded ad campaign, a society that worships big business; allowing them to buy elections, buy laws, buy politicians outright, buy media stations and broadcast lies, and sue anyone and anything that competes with them or they don't like into oblivion in a legal, social and political environment that positively encourages that.

      It's a much bigger clusterfuck than just shooting all the lawyers will fix.

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  4. It's called System Graph by Stratoukos · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't even read the stories you post, do you?

    The company is called System Graph.

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    1. Re:It's called System Graph by TrentC · · Score: 4, Funny

      The excerpt above is from the linked article. Tekgoblin is the one that got it wrong.

      I went to Papadmitriadis's Twitter feed to see if "Stemgraph" was a local nickname for Systemgraph but it was...

      (wait for it...)

      all Greek to me.

    2. Re:It's called System Graph by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed it is http://www.systemgraph.gr/

      C|Net, which the tekgoblin site pinched this from, had the name right. But tekgoblin got it wrong, both on their own site, and in the verbatim copy submitted here. And yes, samzenpus appear to have rubberstamped it without even some elementary link following.

      No, this won't be the last time we see this, but I still hope that we get served less copypasta and more verified news here in 2011.

    3. Re:It's called System Graph by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      TFA calls it Stemgraph too.

      No it doesn't. TFA says "An Apple authorized Service Provider called System Graph is suing a customer..." Perhaps it was corrected, something that Slashdot rarely bothers to do.

      However, this is yet another case of Slashdot promoting some link-whoring blog that reports a story instead of the real source.The actual (English language) source is CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20026918-71.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 which has a rather more complete story and background.

  5. SLAPP anyone? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Informative
    Around these parts, we call that a SLAPP.

    A strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP) is a lawsuit that is intended to censor, intimidate and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

    It's illegal in 26 states, and can sometimes make a nice countersuit.

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  6. Re:So what? by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Umm... I don't think anyone here is arguing that they don't have the legal right to file a lawsuit. The point is precisely as you say: "hey don't use these guys, they're litigious jerks." So what's the problem? We all like our daily righteous indignation.

    And why, more generally, is there always someone in every thread like this who suggests that no valid criticism can be made of behavior - however reprehensible - that violates no laws?

  7. Re:LED SCREEN? by Urkki · · Score: 4, Informative

    So it is. I suppose I'm ahead of the times.

    That's not real LED screen, that's LCD screen with LED backlighting.

    There are real LED screens too, such a Sony XEL-1 OLED display, but their cost is way out of the budget of most iPeople, not to mention they're also a bit small for iMacs... And by "real" I mean, actually displays the image using LEDs.

    The whole fad of marketing LCD displays with LED backlight as "LED displays" is really confusing for the consumer. Many less-clueful buyers believe they really got a LED panel on their "LED display".

  8. Re:So what? by redherring728 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Stories like these are really non-stories." "About the only value is in letting you know "hey don't use these guys, they're litigious jerks."" Contradictory statements. There is a *lot* of value in knowing that these guys are litigious jerks. Knowing that someone is willing to sue you after screwing you isn't even remotely a non-story. It's not insignificant to be sued, whether the person suing you has a chance or not.

  9. Re:LED SCREEN? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree. Unfortunately, LCD TVs with LED back lighting appear to be widely marketed as LED TVs in ads, sales flyers and on the packaging. I really haven't been paying close attention to whether it's true with computer screens too.

  10. I had the same problem, but with Sony. by arunce · · Score: 4, Interesting
    After 20 pixels went out I took my Sony Vaio to repair, as it was under warranty terms. After 40 days they call me back and said that it didn't qualify under warranty because it was dirt between LCD and backlight, and yes, they would repair if I pay 800 euros for a 16.4 inch panel. I must say that at that time a new one laptop cost exactly the same price. We have a law in Portugal that any repair can't exceed the original equipment price.. it's funny.

    So I didn't accept it and after 200 or 300 pixels, I just disassembled my Sony Vaio 16.4 inch panel made in North Korea (yeah..) by Sharp and cleaned it, it took about 4 hours of my time but its perfect now.

    Don't ask me how the hell the dust got between those two layers.

  11. Idiots all around by DurendalMac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They're tards for leaving crud inside the glossy panel. Yes, the glossy panel is a pain in the butt to clean, but you'd better be sure it's clean when the computer leaves or you'll have more fun on your hands. In addition, be sure you properly test it once you've installed replacement hardware.

    He's a tard for thinking that they have any obligation to replace the computer under these circumstances. As they rightfully pointed out, they are not Apple, just a company authorized to service Apple computers. Having worked for an independent Apple service provider in the past, this is a maddening mistake that many customers make, especially irate ones who don't want to listen to a thing you say. The bottom line is that if he didn't buy it from them, then they have no obligation to refund the item. If he wants a refund, THEN TAKE THE ISSUE STRAIGHT TO APPLE.

    It doesn't help that this guy has been throwing an utter tantrum to everyone within possible earshot about the issue. It's impossible to say if this is a justified suit as there are no details about what he's said to a ton of other parties about this. If he has indeed lied (and from the grotesque levels of butthurt coming out of the guy, it's possible), then it's a justified lawsuit. We just don't have enough information, and I think too many people are kneejerking in favor of the guy. Having seen some truly idiotic, angry customers, I'm going to reserve judgement here until more comes out.

  12. Re:Streisand effect by Gnitset · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because you can't read?

    This isn't Apples doing.

  13. Re:LED SCREEN? by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yep these things are actually quite easy to make in small sizes. Scaling them to the size of a tablet or a monitor is prohibitively expensive, something like $3000 for a 15" display. Samsung and Sony are the two main companies actively researching OLEDs and Samsung is aiming for 55" TVs by 2012.