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EMC Engineer Steals Almost $1 Million of Kit One Piece at a Time

aesoteric writes "An EMC test engineer has pleaded guilty to stealing almost $1 million worth of kit from his employer. He reportedly stole the unspecified goods from the storage giant's North Carolina factory using 'a small bag' to smuggle the kit out before selling it on the internet under a pseudonym."

235 comments

  1. Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Im sorry - define Kit? thanks

    1. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1

      I was wondering more how he got caught, considering that the company he sold it to is also under investigation.

      Did the "kit" call home and therefore alert EMC to the location of its whereabouts? TFA was light on details.

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    2. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Funny

      A highly-developed and technological Knight Industries Two Thousand series motor vehicle.

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    3. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the electronics industry, "pulling a kit" is compiling all of the discrete components that you need to get your job done. It's compiling all of the resistors and ICs and other things you need to build a batch of something, or it's compiling whatever you need to fix something.

      The article is ridiculously scant on details. It makes no sense. A million bucks worth of kit, smuggled out in a "small bag?!" That's a lot of "small bags" to be taken in and out over a period of time. Might as well held up the loading dock at gunpoint and ran off with the crates.

    4. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damnit, you beat me to it. Michael Knight will not be impressed!

    5. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by 3vi1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kit = pieces of equipment.

      If he'd taken it all, it would have been kit and caboodle.

    6. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by rhook · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's how the English say equipment.

    7. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shit. They better redefine "A small bag". And I'd hate to see a large.

    8. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by hedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Johnny Cash stole an entire car one piece at a time over a couple decades, if his music is any indication.

    9. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was posting earlier on Slashdot about how much game I gots, by describing how much ass I got last night, in the hopes that it would net me even more karma, but now there's this "kit" shit I gotta get me some of too?!?

    10. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by donotlizard · · Score: 1

      Radar O'Reilly supposedly mailed home a whole Jeep one piece at a time.

    11. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2

      It also means "clothes", as in getting one's kit off.

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    12. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im sorry - define Kit? thanks

      It is spelled KITT. And it refers to a car with AI and lots of neat tech. I'm sure the hard part was sneaking out the engine block.

    13. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd sure hate to lose my equipment while getting my kit off.

    14. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by rkww · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a link to the same story in American

    15. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Glonoinha · · Score: 2

      A million bucks worth of kit, smuggled out in a "small bag?!"

      I'm guessing they are using 'cop math'.

      My bet : they calculated that the small kit can be reproduced and / or reverse engineered, and the resulting copies will result in an overall loss to the original company over the sales life of the product, equaling one million dollars in losses.

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    16. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      A million bucks worth of kit, smuggled out in a "small bag?!"

      I'm guessing they are using 'cop math'.

      My bet : they calculated that the small kit can be reproduced and / or reverse engineered, and the resulting copies will result in an overall loss to the original company over the sales life of the product, equaling one million dollars in losses.

      Cop math? I was thinking RIAA math.

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    17. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that such things used to happen. A car would be an extreme example, but imagine guys on an assembly line making radios back in the 1930's. Damn right you could steal a radio on piece at a time.

      I do know that in the 1980's some guys working at Rohm stole an entire PBX system, assembled it in a garage, then sold it to a hotel in South America along with a service contract (They had a guy in support that was in on it and took all the service calls). They got busted when the thing went down over a long weekend and someone else took the service call.

    18. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Zippers can be a bitch.

    19. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by mcheu · · Score: 1

      British slang for "stuff"

    20. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by rwa2 · · Score: 2

      j0 ... you can't really call yourself nerds unless you head over to http://theregister.co.uk/ every once in a while and take in some of the wry British take on tech.

      Start with the BOFH archives and you'll be fully conversant in no time! (OK, I'll give one small hint: PFY = "pimply-faced youth" )

    21. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by keeboo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude, it's EMC we're talking about.

      Most likely the $1 million kit consists of:
      - A 250GB 5400 RPM SATA EMC-certified HD
      - A pair of official EMC plastic brackets.

    22. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a link to the same story in American

      Now, if only the summary or the articles told what the heck EMC makes...it's not at all clear from their jargon filled company website, although I did find that they employ 40000 people making whatever it is...

    23. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the FrankenCaddy!

    24. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by BluBrick · · Score: 2

      I'd sure hate to lose my equipment while getting my kit off.

      That will happen if it's cold enough.

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    25. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Not saying the cultures are 180 degrees dissimilar, but the BOFH stories were written by Simon Travaglia, who is a New Zealander.

    26. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by scottv67 · · Score: 2

      >Radar O'Reilly supposedly mailed home a whole Jeep one piece at a time.

      So I guess that wouldn't qualify as a case of the "five finger discount"...

    27. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by compgenius3 · · Score: 2
      uhhh, from the original article, and the summary (this is slashdot after all), emphasis mine:

      stole US$930,000 of goods from the storage giant's North Carolina factory

      Storage. They make storage.

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    28. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by CPNABEND · · Score: 2

      So, you have the "special" discount?

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    29. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2

      Do they make boxes?

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    30. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by LucidBeast · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' kit It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67 '68, '69, '70 kit

    31. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Yeah...I'm confused as to what a "kit" is...?

      I'm trying to figure out what exactly he stole...stealing kit does not make sense to me.

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    32. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Noodly+Appendage · · Score: 1

      This is a $1 million worth of EMC equipment, let's not kid ourselves.

      I'm sure the brackets were metal.

    33. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, take some driving lessons. All you have to do is back the truck up before dumping the load.

    34. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by no1nose · · Score: 1

      They are on their way to pricing themselves right out of the market. Just like Oracle.

    35. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by hduff · · Score: 1

      A highly-developed and technological Knight Industries Two Thousand series motor vehicle.

      What does The Hoff have to say about it?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hasselhoff

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    36. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by garyebickford · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're talking about my dog, you insensitive clod!!

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    37. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Informative

      The story is from an Australian news site. The term "kit" in this context is synonymous with "components." Depending on their intended purpose, individual components can be quite expensive; I've held fairly small circuit board assemblies in my hand that were worth $30,000 USD apiece. It is entirely believable that this guy stole $1M worth of gear using a small bag.

    38. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      You've misunderstood the article. See my other reply on the topic.

    39. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      KITT definitely would have called home

    40. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      My Ex-Wife could tell you about large bags,

      Now has anyone seen my boat?

      - Dan.

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    41. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, once the parts were reassembled, the result was an EMC product, which has no actual value.

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    42. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      People are probably visualising a pile of cheap resistors or 8 bit stock ICs and thinking this sort of thing is much less valuable than a finished assembly based on them. Figure military grade Germanium transistors, matched sets of ceramic capacitors with 1% tolerances, or other custom stuff of the sort used to protype something before you take the project to mass production, and the individual parts are probably more like a few hundred dollars apiece than the 0.23 cents in bulk Chinese electrolytic caps some of you are imagining.

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    43. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      This is really the only comment this story requires.

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    44. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Never heard the term "root kit" ? You must have read the sony stories here on slashdot a while back...

    45. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      One of the few country songs I like.

      Now the headlight' was another sight
      We had two on the left and one on the right
      But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.

      The back end looked kinda funny too
      But we put it together and when we got thru
      Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin

    46. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by slick7 · · Score: 2

      A million bucks worth of kit, smuggled out in a "small bag?!"

      I'm guessing they are using 'cop math'.

      My bet : they calculated that the small kit can be reproduced and / or reverse engineered, and the resulting copies will result in an overall loss to the original company over the sales life of the product, equaling one million dollars in losses.

      Cop math? I was thinking RIAA math.

      I was thinking more like Bernie Madoff math or Enron math.

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    47. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      It's everything that doesn't constitute a kaboodle.

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    48. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      LOL. +1 Insightful.

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    49. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Kit. Equipment. Stuff. From here: "Today, Apex manufactures and ships EMC's market-leading EMC® CLARiiON® CX series of networked storage systems, EMC Celerra® network attached storage systems and EMC Centera(TM) content addressed storage systems."
      I'm assuming that the equipment and software stolen was from those product lines.

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    50. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keeboo's posting is funny, not informative!!!

    51. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EMC has equipment worth tens of thousands of dollars that easily fit in the trunk of a car. Whether it's a Cadillac or not ;)

    52. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by jcr · · Score: 2

      In the UK, "kit" can mean "merchandise", "equipment", "clothing", and several other things.

      -jcr

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    53. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      No, that's the KITT. This is just the Knight Industries Three, a toy version made for the CEO's daughter.

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    54. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Mana+Mana · · Score: 2

      I've always taken it to mean: gear[1].

      * Where's my climbing gear (kit)?! Oi!
      * You going to sell all that old computer shit/stuff/gear (kit) on Ebay?
      * My dad went fishing at 3 this morning, at 8 this morning he sheepishly came back to pick up his fishing gear (kit).
      * I'm jonesing where's my gear (kit)?
      * Reverse gear (kit) is left and up! Don't you know how to drive a manual gear (kit) shift? [NAH! =]

      Then again kit is gear.[2] My Mum says I tell porkies.

      [1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gear , 2.
      [2] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gear , 4. "dialect chiefly British : absurd talk : nonsense "

    55. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      OK look, I know this is a US-centric website, but unless you are five you have no excuse for not knowing that "kit" means "stuff". Don't you own a dictionary? Don't you have access to PBS, which taught me this lesson before I was five?

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    56. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My lady loves to relate her experiences with her father, an old-school telemetry engineer still equipped with a clearance and a job (he's worked on various NASA and military products over time) holding up some chip or other and saying "This is twenty thousand dollars! Heh!" (The heh! is because he's Greek)

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    57. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Not metal, just metal-coloured (brit spelling used in honor of this thread)

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    58. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by captain_dope_pants · · Score: 1

      A kit is also measure of weight used in the UK fishing industry. Not that it's anything to do with this article - just saying !

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    59. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Heh, realized later that the TFA was actually written by an Aussie paper, so so much the better! :P

    60. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Webcommando · · Score: 1

      I thought every geek had watched "Junkyard Wars" at one point or another in their life. It was a great British show (and an American version too...not as good) that showcased people making motoring devices out of old cars and parts from a junkyard. Great for gear heads (petrol heads for our UK friends), geeks, and anyone with a penchant for welding (and fire).

      More to the point, every 2 minutes they would mention "kit"...I learned many quality UK terms from that show.

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    61. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by cormandy · · Score: 1

      Doh! I wanted to make this joke!!!!

    62. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      Cop math? I was thinking RIAA math.

      There's a difference?

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    63. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever priced EMC equipment? 2 or 3 1gb HDs would be about a million bucks if they had their way :)

      I mean, we all (aside from Mac Fan Boyz n Grlz) complain about how Apple charges a *premium* for their hardware, but EMC - well, let's just say they charge a premium+

    64. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by camperdave · · Score: 1

      A million bucks worth of kit, smuggled out in a "small bag?!" That's a lot of "small bags" to be taken in and out over a period of time.

      Well that all depends on the value of what you're putting into the bag. It would take a lot of small bags to smuggle out a million dollars worth of five cent resistors and LEDs, but for thousand dollars a piece specialty processor chips, not so much.

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    65. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Australians got it from a British site, which helpfully changed the Americanism equipment to something more British.

    66. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      do you not speak English as your first language?

      kit is a general word for stuff, technological or otherwise, e.g. a soldier';s kit is what he carries on him/in his kit bag

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    67. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not saying the cultures are 180 degrees dissimilar, but the BOFH stories were written by Simon Travaglia, who is a New Zealander.

      To be fair, you'd never realise as there is an almost complete absence of sheep-shagging in the stories.

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    68. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by CompMD · · Score: 2

      I work at an aerospace and consumer electronics company. The junk in the 1 ft^3 scrap bins is worth thousands of dollars on the street. Over the course of several months I built a "museum display" at my desk showing the evolution of one of our product lines by building 20 of them in fully operational condition out of scrap. The street price of the "museum" is about $12,000, so yeah, I believe this guy could have stolen $1M from EMC.

    69. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      i've done some work for EMC a few years ago. some small parts (think the size of a PC motherboard) from their clariion and symetrix systems can cost in excess of US$ 10k. heck, some larger symetrix boxes come with an embeded windows notebook free, so you always have an available machine to act as a management terminal.

      so it doesn't take a lot of kit to make a million bucks, considered the price of the parts.

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    70. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by operagost · · Score: 2

      The word "equipment" dates back to 1710, so "Americanism" is a poor fit.

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    71. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by operagost · · Score: 1

      Drinkypoo learned a full complement of British English from PBS by the time he was five; therefore, we should all know the meaning of the colloquialism "kit".

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    72. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by operagost · · Score: 1

      In the USA, a kit is a collection of parts or information used to complete a project. For example, a model airplane kit. I thought I'd point that out as you obviously think that there are no dialects in English.

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    73. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you check lately whether Zipper isn't female? The previous poster could just be stating a fact.

    74. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      We also talk about "test gear" or "test kit". Things like multimeters, scopes, spectrum analysers, VNAs etc. I suspect this is what was actually stolen.

      RF test gear (which is what I suspect he actually stole) can cost tens of thousands of dollars a unit so it wouldn't take THAT much to run up a million dollars (at replacement cost) worth of theft and in a sufficiantly large and disorganised lab it could take quite some time to notice the stuff was missing and figure out who was taking it.

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    75. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      sorry, I read EMC in the title (and didn't RTFA before posting) as "electromagnetic compatibility" rather than "EMC corparation"

      Still I bet they have some pretty high end test gear in that place and the SAN stuff isn't cheap either.

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    76. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, the 1982 FireChicken does not impress me, even when it has a "turbo boost" button, and aviation-style steering yoke.

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    77. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not metal, just metal-coloured (brit spelling used in honour of this thread)

      FTFY

    78. Re:Im sorry - define Kit by Geminii · · Score: 1

      More like the prototype, the Knight Industries Two. :)

  2. The estate of Johnny Cash is suing him... by EXMSFT · · Score: 4, Funny

    for copyright infringement.

    1. Re:The estate of Johnny Cash is suing him... by beamin · · Score: 1

      And it didn't cost him a dime...

    2. Re:The estate of Johnny Cash is suing him... by kenh · · Score: 2
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    3. Re:The estate of Johnny Cash is suing him... by ksheff · · Score: 1

      No, it was improper use of a patented business process. They're using the same reasoning Amazon did in their 1-click lawsuits. I hope Amazon doesn't find out and sue the Cash estate for copying them.

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    4. Re:The estate of Johnny Cash is suing him... by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      I see your Johnny Cash and I raise you...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIXz_vzROrw

      ...King Missile!

      .

  3. One Piece At A Time by zonker · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of the old Johnny Cash song...

  4. Oh come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who hasn't stolen at least a million bucks worth of kit from work?

  5. No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BL Trading is also being charged with sale and receipt of stolen property, wire fraud and the installing and selling on of products with EMC firmware that didn’t have support contracts to take care of them.

    WTF?

    1. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      EMC firmware license requires a support contract to be valid. Yes, it is illegal to use the hardware you purchase from them, if you don't keep paying them for support.

      Considering how much they mark up hardware as well, there's no way he actually had more than $50k of gear.

    2. Re:No support contract is a crime? by maxume · · Score: 1

      If he implied that there was a support contract, probably.

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    3. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Are you absolutely certain it's illegal? Sure, it could be a breach of contract, perhaps. But illegal? As in criminal? C'mon.

    4. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Cylix · · Score: 2

      You mean contractual violation which is a civil suite and not a violation of the law. This would be the dictated by the terms agreed to when the equipment was purchased. However, I have known several organizations that had their old EMC equipment limping about. While unsupported and essentially useless for it's role they can often be relegated to test or dev environments where stability and uptime isn't paramount. In fact, I've known production environments that were still running out of warranty EMC equipment and really needed to migrate and refresh.

      I suspect they only get really upset if you attempt to update the firmware on out of warranty hardware. However, I haven't dealt with that particular storage vendor much beyond a handful of cases.

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    5. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Megahard · · Score: 1

      Probably tough to get a support contract for a '89-90-91-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99 router.

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    6. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. We have several CX3-80's that are not under a contract. When get invoices for T&M when I call them in to EMC for service.

    7. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ACTUALLY, what law do you think it violates? He didn't copy it, so there is no copyright violation. What some of these companies think they can get away with is downright criminal.

      Toss the book at him for the real theft, but this one thing is BS (assuming the story is accurate).

    8. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This kind of thing is pretty typical with a lot of gear...though it's not my area, I think Cisco has similar wording in their fine print and enterprise storage vendors in general have strong feelings of attachment to their gear and to their customers' ongoing dollars.

      In practice, they don't particularly care if you keep the software up to date...as long as you're not trying to get support on it OR it's not phoning home and reminding them to bill you....

      Funny story...many years back, we had EMC gear on lease...when the lease was up, we had the conversation and they arranged for freight to come pick it up...movers came and took a look at it and decided they didn't have what they needed to get it out of the building (stairs, corners, etc.). Said, "We'll be back in a couple days."

      2 years later, some new kid in the DC powered it up and it phoned home...nobody realized until we got invoiced by EMC for a lease extension & support! HA!

      Don't get me started or I'll tell you all my EMC stories...like about the time they put in a bid on a job with set specs and fully disclosed budget...their bid was 2.5x the budget and they wanted to keep revising it...tried to resubmit twice more with (slight) additional discounts and then cried "unfair" to the PM when they didn't get the job.

    9. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not clear to me that the lack of support contracts is what made the equipment stolen though, as others have noted, there are often legally binding contracts and agreements in place that require a support contract.

      The fact that there was no legal chain of possession is what makes BL guilty of the sale and receipt of stolen property and it well could be the "selling on" of the gear to others that blew this scheme up...I buy some equipment...I go to register with EMC for support or buy a support contract and bam. "Wait ... according to our records those units have not been sold. They are supposed to be sitting in the warehouse in NC."

    10. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contractual duties are legally binding. Breach of contract is a legal cause of action, protected by statutory law. Whether it's a "civil suite" (you mean "suit") or not is irrelevant to whether a party is engaged in lawful conduct. Criminal law is just one kind of law; something need not be a crime to be illegal.

    11. Re:No support contract is a crime? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      It's also worth noting that you can't just put anything in a contract and have it enforceable in a civil court. While the DMCA has been used to butt rape consumers at a small level (Sony trying to protect their PSP and PS3 and deny full and rightful ownership of the hardware) this does not typically fly with businesses that have the resources and wherewithal to fight back.

      This is precisely why there is some equipment that is leased and not sold. It's the only legitimate and legally defensible way to enforce control over property on the customer's premises.

    12. Re:No support contract is a crime? by retchdog · · Score: 0

      I always thought that "illegal" covered any violation of the law in the broad sense (including civil actions under contract law, tort law, etc.), while "criminal" specifically refers to violating statutes.

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    13. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely. Remember, this occurred in the USA, where corporations write the laws. This is why this guy, who probably stole a handful of hard drives worth about $2k (which EMC marks up to $1m), is going to jail for 30-something years, while a rapist or murderer can easily get out in 5 or 10.

    14. Re:No support contract is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I am without mod points. Funniest comment I've read on here in a while.

  6. Obligatory dumb question: by Announcer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is "kit" in this instance?

    "Kit and kit! What is kit?!" - Spock's Brain

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    1. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by drooling-dog · · Score: 2

      Gear.

    2. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by fotbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      equipment

      And because slashdot requires me to wait a certain amount of time before replying with what should be a one word answer, and because one word isn't a good enough answer, you get this annoying run on sentence of complete crap before I can post so I'll just keep typing random stuff to kill some time.

    3. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by migla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is "kit" in this instance?

      Could be any number of things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit

      In this instance, I think it's most likely referring to baby ferrets.

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    4. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Cwix · · Score: 1

      Baby ferrets have firmware?

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    5. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please learn to speak English.

    6. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      "psst! wanna buy a server?"

      /obscure?

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    7. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      The key to what "kit" obviously is what EMC does. EMC is world-wide and into lots of stuff but specializes in data storage, recovery, and asset management solutions. I'm guessing like SAP but with specialize hardware to go with it.

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    8. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I swear... sometimes it really makes me smile that the Brits are OUR colonists now.

      That really doesn't make sense. The European settlers of the Americas were the original colonists, but what new lands are the British "colonising" on "your" behalf?

      You really didn't think that one out... did you? :-)

      Anyway, while I think it's very likely that English will continue to be *the* global language, it's fairly apparent that the days of it "belonging to", or even being primarily shaped by the US (and/or the UK and the Commonwealth's remaining influence) is numbered. It's one of India's two main languages, and there are a *lot* of Indians, but Indian English has its own idiosyncracies, and as India becomes more powerful, expect *them* to have more influence on the language.

      Similarly, expect the pidgin-esque utilitarian bastardisations (*) of English used in Africa and South East Asia to make their way into English and parts of them become more commonly accepted.

      What I'm saying is, enjoy your domination of American English while it lasts, because the language is going global and won't belong to you- or anyone else- after that. (^_^)

      (*) Not an insult per se; English *is* essentially a bastardised language, which some might say is its strength.

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    9. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brit/Oz slang for 'gear' or 'equipment.'

    10. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardware.

    11. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a british-ism,

    12. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is, enjoy your domination of American English while it lasts, because the language is going global and won't belong to you- or anyone else- after that. (^_^)

      I'm quite sure America will ALWAYS dominate American English, just as it has always dominated American English, at least as long as English remains spoken in America.

      America might not dominate English in general in the future, however.

    13. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      I think they meant K.I.T.T. which might explain why it was worth do much.

    14. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      According to a friend down under, "kit" is Auzzie slang for "computer equipment."

    15. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      'Kit' is a casual term for 'gear', 'equipment', 'stuff' etc. Contrary to what others have said, it is not 'a Britishism'. It is a term used basically everywhere that speaks standard/Commonwealth English (as opposed to American English).

      But even if you didn't know what it meant, isn't it obvious from context?

      I see a lot of that on this site actually (presumably mostly from North Americans): the inability to figure out the likely meaning of a word from context. They all seem to take everything so ... literally. There's a huge amount of American slang and expressions too that aren't used outside America, but the meaning of them is still usually obvious to an outsider.

    16. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear... sometimes it really makes me smile that the Brits are OUR colonists now.

      That really doesn't make sense. The European settlers of the Americas were the original colonists, but what new lands are the British "colonising" on "your" behalf?

      Given the Pirate Bay and Assange's cases, my guess is Sweden.

    17. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      "Kit" has common use in the American south and west, so much so that I was surprised to see the number of people who don't recognise the word in context. It's not used much in the Northeast until you get to or perhaps north of Boston, and those people in between are capable of simultaneously believing that its an archaeism when the British use it and a neologism when Southerners do. I've been lectured I should stop using the word that way and speak "real English" by people before, so I just say "Deys takin hour Jerbs! How bout dem Jets!", and they chill.

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    18. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait to see the Hollywood blockbuster version of "The six million dollar baby ferret - better, stronger, faster".

    19. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Baby ferrets have firmware?

      They do indeed have tiny brains in their tiny heads, containing a tiny amount of firmware

    20. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this instance, I think it's most likely referring to baby ferrets.

      So, is this how they managed to ferret out the theft?

    21. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by malp · · Score: 1

      But even if you didn't know what it meant, isn't it obvious from context?

      No. Going on context, kit could be slang for electronic equipment, machinery, or just gear. Maybe you thought we read the whole article? HA! You should know we Americans only skim bullets. We don't follow jumps or turnlines, and we rarely if ever get passed the nut graf.

    22. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by thefixer(tm) · · Score: 1

      Thank-you.

    23. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I must have Kit for Brains or I would have understood...

    24. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Badly phrased, I'll agree; the intended meaning was something more akin to "enjoy *the* domination of American English while it lasts"- which in turn didn't mean the US dominating American English, but rather American English dominating the language as a whole. :-)

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    25. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stealing parts out of David Hasselhoff's car.

    26. Re:Obligatory dumb question: by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of that on this site actually (presumably mostly from North Americans): the inability to figure out the likely meaning of a word from context. They all seem to take everything so ... literally. There's a huge amount of American slang and expressions too that aren't used outside America, but the meaning of them is still usually obvious to an outsider.

      Surely you can't be serious?

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  7. wire fraud by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wire fraud? seriously? These tack-on charges make a mockery of the law.

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    1. Re:wire fraud by DWMorse · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. If you run a red light to hit and kill someone with a car, you're going to have multiple charges as well.

      He received a wire transfer of money under a fake name. Doesn't that count?

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    2. Re:wire fraud by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      Wire fraud is the de-facto "internet ecommerce" law since around 1980. If it involves craigslist, ebay or amazon.com it's probably got a wire fraud charge tacked on.

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    3. Re:wire fraud by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Craigslist? So those Indonesian ho fees under the name John Smith are.....oh shit

    4. Re:wire fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wire fraud? seriously? These tack-on charges make a mockery of the law.

      Law makes a mockery of human rights, so why not mock the mockers for mocking and beat law down.

    5. Re:wire fraud by vux984 · · Score: 1

      He received a wire transfer of money under a fake name. Doesn't that count?

      So if you win an ebay auction from 'legoseller331' and then paypal your payment to 'legoseller331@gmail.com'... and then legoseller331 sends you the lego set described in the auction... criminal wire fraud has taken place? Really?

    6. Re:wire fraud by ShooterNeo · · Score: 2

      More practically : if the FBI prosecutes you, you get charged with wire fraud. It basically doesn't matter what the crime was, the statute is so broad it can apply to nearly anything. Also, the FBI wins trials over 90% of the time...doesn't matter if you are innocent or not...if the FBI comes for you you are going to the Gulag.

    7. Re:wire fraud by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed; read "Three Felonies a Day".

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    8. Re:wire fraud by adamdoyle · · Score: 1

      He received a wire transfer of money under a fake name. Doesn't that count?

      So if you win an ebay auction from 'legoseller331' and then paypal your payment to 'legoseller331@gmail.com'... and then legoseller331 sends you the lego set described in the auction... criminal wire fraud has taken place? Really?

      Firstly, wire transfer != paypal... Wire transfer systems take identities very seriously.

      Secondly, it's a bad metaphor. The lego set in the EMC scenario was stolen and fenced under a fake name (to avoid getting caught). The fake name part (as part of the wire transfer) is a whole separate crime. IANAL, though, so this is only my understanding of the situation.

    9. Re:wire fraud by sjames · · Score: 2

      Only if the person who wired you the money was ripped off in the process. Otherwise it's just charge inflation.

      I'm just waiting for someone to be convicted of aggravated littering because they didn't neatly dispose of the victim after killing him. Naturally that will be followed by considerable EPA fines because of the lead they disposed of improperly. Then there's the noise ordinance they violated. Oh, and murder while we're at it.

    10. Re:wire fraud by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Firstly, wire transfer != paypal... Wire transfer systems take identities very seriously.

      "Companies such as Western Union offer an alternate, anonymous method of wire transfer. Western Union maintains outlets worldwide so that wire transfers can be electrically sent between these outlets. Therefore, you can walk into a Western Union in Arizona, for example, and send 100 US dollars (USD) to the Western Union in the Bahamas simply by paying the Arizona office the cash plus any fees. Your friend in the Bahamas can go to the Western Union to receive the 100 USD in cash within minutes. The money is transferred electronically."

      http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-wire-transfer.htm

      very very seriously. ;)

      "The lego set in the EMC scenario was stolen and fenced under a fake name (to avoid getting caught)."

      Ok, but what exactly is the fraud? He promised them an emc hard drive, and he delivered one. Unless he made the material claim that he was an authorized reseller or something, its hard to see how its fraud.

  8. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Is it time to stop coming here?

    For you, yes :-)

    Hello editors: Are the story aggregators on full automatic now? Is "kit" some Australian slang for something? How about filing us in? Don't hold out on us.

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  9. Common name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first I wondered whether they were talking about polywell fusion or linux cncing.

  10. reminds me... by neokushan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...of a tale my dad used to tell me when I was young.

    I don't know the full details, so it could be made up, the details could be wrong or it might have actually been like a TV show or something, but anyhoo.

    A guy who worked in a factory would leave every day with a wheelbarrow full of rubbish. One of his bosses was sure he was stealing something, so every now and then he'd search the wheelbarrow and come up dry - rubbish, rubbish and more rubbish. The manager got so frustrated, he started searching every single day and still found nothing.
    Eventually, the guy figured out what he was stealing - wheelbarrows.

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    1. Re:reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a different version of this story:

      Jose arrives at the Mexican border on his bike with two huge bags over his shoulders. The guard stops him and asks, "What's in the bags?"

      "Senior, it's only sand," replies Jose.

      "Sand? Well, we'll just see about that - get off the bike!"

      The guard takes the bags, rips them open, empties them out and finds nothing in them... except sand. Jose is detained overnight, and the sand is analysed - only to discover that it is in fact simply sand.

      Jose is released, the sand is put into new bags and placed on Jose's shoulders, and he is let across the border.

      Next day, same thing happens. The guard asks, "What you got there?"

      "Sand," says Jose.

      A thorough examination of the bags again shows there to be nothing but sand, and subsequently Jose is allowed to ride across the border.

      For a whole year this continues until one day Jose doesn't show up, and the guard discovers him in a Cantina in Mexico.

      "Hey, Bud," says the guard, "I know you're smuggling something. For a year it's driven me crazy. It's all I can think about... I can't get sleep, the kids are getting neglected... heck, even the dog senses I'm beginning to lose it! Between you and me, just what are you smuggling?"

      Jose sips his beer, smiles and replies, "Bicycles..."

    2. Re:reminds me... by indiechild · · Score: 1

      The story doesn't make any sense -- why would he be smuggling bicycles?

    3. Re:reminds me... by indiechild · · Score: 1

      So the EMC engineer was actually stealing small Prada bags?

    4. Re:reminds me... by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      In my version, a guy crosses the border on a bicycle, carrying a brick on the rear rack. The item being smuggled is the bicycle, of course.

      So I guess, it's just an invented story, in either case.

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    5. Re:reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, they're made of cocaine, of course!

    6. Re:reminds me... by noidentity · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a modernized version of an old Sufi tale, where Nasrudin is smuggles donkeys across the border.

    7. Re:reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandpa spoke of a similar case by multiple workers, only it was used sand from blasting.

    8. Re:reminds me... by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Old Sufi tales included werewolves?

      Colour me skeptical.

    9. Re:reminds me... by der_pinchy · · Score: 0

      because somebody somewhere loves some bicycles.

    10. Re:reminds me... by hduff · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a modernized version of an old Sufi tale, where Nasrudin is smuggles donkeys across the border.

      In the US, it was Mexicans smuggling wheelbarrows across the border. I suppose every culture has a similar cautionary tale about the dangers of misdirection.

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    11. Re:reminds me... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      To sell them, of course. What other reason could there be?

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    12. Re:reminds me... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      I heard the same one where the worker was a librarian who was stealing books.

    13. Re:reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taxes/tariffs. It adds up fast if you move high numbers of inventory.

    14. Re:reminds me... by alfrin · · Score: 2

      The story doesn't make any sense -- why would he be smuggling bicycles?

      Actually, this is derived from a true story told by the Guardia Civil in the Spanish Basquelands.when the government was truly cracking down on their trade. I forget at what point in their history this was, it may have been after Franco's death. However, the Basques were only allowed to bring so much over from the French Basquelands and so some boy would go over every day and return with a small bag and every day the Guardia had to let him pass since his imports were clearly for personal use. They never noticed he was leaving on a rusted, crappy bike of sorts and returning with a new one.

    15. Re:reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This guy in Germany works in a tricycle factory, before WW2. He's too poor to buy one for his child, so he tells his wife he's going to steal a piece each day until he has the full kit.

      On Christmas Eve he disappears into the workshop to put it together.

      After a couple of hours, his wife goes out to see him "How is it coming along?" she asks.

      "Awful!" he replies "No matter what way I put it together, I get a submachine gun every time"

  11. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Informative

    'kit' is a well known and old term for 'stuff'. A kit bag was what (may be still is) military used for their personal stuff - razor etc. In any case, this reminds me of the story about the guy working at the factory who was seen taking wheelbarrows of trash from the premises day after day. Security could not figure out what was going on. Finally confronted the man, who eventually confessed to stealing wheelbarrows...

  12. makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA
    He has been charged with identity theft, fraud and transport of stolen property and has already agreed to pay back US$929,891 to EMC.

    I get where the theft comes from but the identity theft ? Is that just to give him a longer sentence ? And 32 years for that , this just shows how screwed up our courts are where you can get less time for murder then for theft . Maybe he should have killed someone when stealing the HW may have gotten a shorter sentence .

    1. Re:makes no sense by westlake · · Score: 2

      And 32 years for that , this just shows how screwed up our courts are where you can get less time for murder then for theft.

      In the American federal system, crimes of violence are almost always prosecuted under state law. Economic and property crimes with a significant interstate or foreign dimension are a federal responsibility.

      If the feds do have jurisdiction in a murder case, don't expect anyone to get off lightly. It happens so rarely that there is little incentive to bargain.

  13. Small thefts add up by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's amazing how much you can get if you steal constantly.

    For example, Salim Kara made several million dollars stealing coins from light rail boxes

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/thief+stole+nearly+million+coin+time/4028648/story.html

    1. Re:Small thefts add up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Related story, at my telecom company an installation kit used to include gold plated screws. An installer knew this and when they weren't used/needed instead of scrapping them (throwing them in the trash) he put them in the box. When he retired he reported the box and supposedly it had many thousands of dollars worth of gold in it. Course we also have stories of savvy installers trying to sell surplus equipment on the open market.

    2. Re:Small thefts add up by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      I particularly like the section about the employee who KNEW he was stealing...

      One co-worker who recorded Kara on a video camera reaching into a fare box in an incriminating fashion a year before his arrest later said he erased the video because he didn't want to get involved.

      "I did not want to be the one responsible for pointing out to superiors or anything that there was anything wrong going on," he testified. "The thing was I didn't want to be involved in it." He was later fired.

      Emphasis mine. Guess it doesn't pay to not get involved.

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    3. Re:Small thefts add up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how much you can get if you steal constantly.

      This is how politicians retire wealthy, even if they spent their entire career on a "public servants" salary.

    4. Re:Small thefts add up by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      $1 million in EMC gear probably translates to only about $50,000 worth of real-world computer equipment at market prices. They're pretty notorious for charging ridiculous amounts more than NetApp et. al. for their junk.

      Heh, the customers probably thought of him as Robin Hood.

    5. Re:Small thefts add up by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      "I did not want to be the one responsible for pointing out to superiors or anything that there was anything wrong going on," he testified. "The thing was I didn't want to be involved in it." He was later fired.

      Sounds like there's a lot more to that story. Why would he be afraid of reporting it?

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    6. Re:Small thefts add up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did they even find him out?

    7. Re:Small thefts add up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because making statements, testifying at hearings, etc. is a massive pain in the ass? Because nobody wants a snitch's rep? Because for all he knew, his boss might have been in on it and fired him to avoid exposure?

      Yeah, there could be more to it -- but there really needn't be.

    8. Re:Small thefts add up by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Things must run at a slow pace in Edmonton if they are just now reporting on an arrest in 1994.

    9. Re:Small thefts add up by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      That last one is the "more to it" I was referring to. And I think a "snitch's rep" is a dubious claim when you're talking about people literally stealing from the company.

      I mean, misappropriated office supplies are one thing (that's still theft, but one can easily see how people would "just want to get along" over something that's "not that big a deal"), but taking money out of a fare box is a little too extreme to file under harmless workplace mischief. I can't imagine any coworkers looking down on "the snitch" except the thugs who were in on the scam.

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  14. what a stupid article by mestar · · Score: 0

    What exactly is:

    -kit?
    -EMC?
    -BL trading?

    1. Re:what a stupid article by rkww · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA was originally published on a UK website, so this is British English speaking. 'kit' in this context means 'equipment'. EMC presumably refers to www.emc.com; and BL trading would be www.bltrading.com

    2. Re:what a stupid article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is way more likely that EMC refers to Electromagnetic compatibility
      This is related to electronic engineering, not software development and/or network administration.
      It would also explain the $1M value. Equipment for EMC testing is quite expensive. (As in; No thanks, I'd rather buy a new house.)

    3. Re:what a stupid article by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      kit is the same word used in the acronym SDK.

    4. Re:what a stupid article by jc42 · · Score: 1

      EMC presumably refers to www.emc.com;

      So what do they do/produce, if anything? That web site is as opaque and uninformative as any I've seen; it reads like a prototype for a "shell" or "front" corporation. And this discussion (or TFA) hasn't imparted any information about the company, either.

      I suspect it doesn't stand for ElectroMagnetic Conformance, Environmental Modeling Center, or Emmaus Moravian Cemetery.

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    5. Re:what a stupid article by ischorr · · Score: 2

      As EMC is by far the largest producer of IT storage equipment and software...And is the parent company of VMware, Iomega, Mozy, etc... I think it's your own fault if you pick "ElectroMagnetic Conformance" as likely instead of knowing something about IT.

  15. Huh. Guess that explains . . . by Hero+Zzyzzx · · Score: 3, Funny

    this EMC Celerra NS model 120-121-122-123-124-125-126-127-128-129-130 NAS I just bought off craigslist.

  16. Sentence. by Seumas · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure I agree with a prison sentence, if he's agreeing and able to pay the amount back. No need to further feed the prison industry with non-violent criminals. If he receives anything even approaching a significant portion of the 32 years, it would be a travesty. Plenty of people have done far more horrible things and paid far less for those crimes. Crimes which were not merely about some cash. I would hate to think that we think it's okay to essentially take the rest of a man's life for something like this. We just went through several years of far worse white collar criminals getting away with far worse (and covered by the tax payers, even!) in this country.

    1. Re:Sentence. by ThomasB1 · · Score: 1

      So if you steal and get caught you just pay back the stolen amount? Brilliant! Be right back, gonna steal some stuff.

    2. Re:Sentence. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      So add some amount of penalty to it. Or community service. Serving time in prison -- especially dozens of years -- is just a fucking idiotic handout to the prison industry. It's not like he used violence or a weapon. Save the prison space for people that are an actual harm to you and me. At least in the long term. A few months in prison should be enough to deter just about anyone from anything, unless they're the habitual offender type (in which case they've probably already spent more time in prison than out). Sticking a guy like this in prison for the rest of his natural life for a crime of this nature is just irrational.

    3. Re:Sentence. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Um, prison is irrational.

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  17. Eh? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    What kind of market is there for dodgy EMC gear? I always got the impression that EMC were the chaps you talked to if you didn't mind paying too much; but really wanted to have the vendor breathing down your neck for the duration of the (expensive) support agreement. Are there companies that shell out for that, and then start buying replacement parts on Ebay? Or, like Cisco, is there an active market of people trying to put together certification study kits on the relative cheap?

    1. Re:Eh? by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      There aren't/ weren't that manny fibre channel vendors out there, back in the day. FC was an interesting solution to storage pools and what not, and seemed like a good idea at the time. Hitachi was a lot cheaper than EMC though, but the support was still crazy expensive, although an order of magnitude cheaper than EMC. ISCSI has a pretty high cost as well for bootable HBA's and doesn't really run at wire speed. We're currently trying out AoE as a FC replacement. I've watched the prices go from 100K to 5K in the past 5 years for equivalent tech and 10 times the space. If there is a market left for EMC, it's got to be fading quickly. At some point in time I think even the enterprize folks will no longer be able to justify the cost. I almost feel like things are drifting back to the do it yourself attitude of the late 90's. And I mean that for companies with the budget to 'Just Buy It.'

      </ramble>

    2. Re:Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EMC isn't just fiberchannel storage anymore. They freak'n buy up anything that is remotely profitable and a lot of stuff that isn't. Pretty sure they own RSA, VMware, and hand full of others. I don't think EMC isn't just gonna fade away anytime soon. Although high dollar they have quite the portfolio of hardware and software products. Two tiers of SAN, NAS, CAS, and a swissarmy knife of various backup solutions.

  18. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It means routing equipment. Specifically that.

  19. I'm confused by TimHunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a story about an crime committed in Apex, North Carolina by a man from Sanford, NC and tried in a Boston, Massachusetts court. Why does the summary link to a story in an Australian web site? Why not, say, to this: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/crime_files/crime_watch/nc-man-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-from-emc-corp-25-apx-20110107 or this: http://www.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13800798?

    1. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to make everybody click through and figure out what the nine hells a "kit" is, I guess? I've read every comment on this page, and TFA and I'm still not entirely sure what EMC sells or why I should care that some employee of theirs stole a bunch of equipment. Maybe they didn't pay him enough?

    2. Re:I'm confused by Announcer · · Score: 1

      Thank you. My guess is that the story was submitted by more than one source, and someone picked the Aussie version for inclusion on the main page of Slashdot. In any case, it's an article that's very light on details... but the US versions you posted make a lot more sense... to US. ;)

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    3. Re:I'm confused by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      How does that matter (in this day and age)? The only question is who wrote it up best.

    4. Re:I'm confused by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      Well maby aesoteric gets some inicome from the australian site, or mayby friends/famely do

  20. Wire fraud makes it a federal case. by westlake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wire fraud, in the United States Code, is any criminally fraudulent activity that has been determined to have involved electronic communications of any kind, at any phase of the event. The involvement of electronic communications adds to the severity of the penalty, so that it is greater than the penalty for fraud that is otherwise identical except for the non-involvement of electronic communications. As in the case of mail fraud, the federal statute is often used as a basis for a separate, federal prosecution of what would otherwise have been a violation only of a state law.


    The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. 1343, and reads as follows:


      Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

    In the case of United States v. LaMacchia, a student of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was charged with wire fraud when, because he had not profitted personally from online distribution of millions of dollars' worth of illegally copied software, he could not be charged with criminal copyright infringement. The United States District Court, District of Massachusetts, dismissed the charges, noting they were an attempt to find a broad federal crime where the more narrowly defined one had not occurred. Congress then amended the copyright law to limit further use of this loophole. Wire fraud

    The reference is to the NET Act of 1997. "No Electronic Theft."

  21. A million bucks worth of EMC gear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So two hard drives?

  22. $109 profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He has been charged with identity theft, fraud and transport of stolen property and has already agreed to pay back US$929,891 to EMC."

    But he made $109 profit, apparently? Win! :-)

  23. Goldman Sachs made several billion ... by hildi · · Score: 0

    from credit default swap contracts with AIG that got payed off 100 cents on the dollar when the taxpayers were forced to bail it out. the biggest theft in history was the credit bubble of 2005-2007, but people are too busy refreshing fark and watching live at 5 to care.

    1. Re:Goldman Sachs made several billion ... by MrQuacker · · Score: 1

      And even if joe q american does care, so what? Individually I cant change anything, and as a group nobody gives a fuck. Anyone who could do something is already in on it.

  24. Yes... by Junta · · Score: 2

    I company I used to work for was operated by someone too naive to understand it was the support and not the intrinsic equipment that mattered. I came in and they were using some Cheapo NAS box that used 4 drives on two IDE channels as the storage in RAID5. Of course one drive failed and took out a channel, so after I recovered the data (it was backed up, but I recovered data off the three working drives), it was time to look for a replacement. I was told a very very very puny budget, so I priced out basically the same thing except with 4 IDE channels and bought as a new, supported, warrantied server. After a few days, the President announced he found the perfect 'enterprise' Dell enclosure on eBay and that was going to be the solution.... Even off random ebay guy, as an enclosure only (excluding controller and server to drive it), at much reduced capacity it was about twice as much as the server I suggested (President was willing to stretch the budget he dictated because he found himself such a 'good deal').

    Of course, after two weeks of operation, the midplane somehow glitched in a way to corrupt drives and lose all data. Dell charged quite a bit for the service call to come in and fix the stupid thing since there was no support or warranty remotely associated with the thing, and the enclosure still had no warranty associated with it. He never admitted that it was a mistake. My second-worst job didn't last too much longer after that (got fired because they decided they needed to open a position to afford to look for a person with MCSE at the time).

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    1. Re:Yes... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You get enough gear and you don't need much support. For example once the yearly support costs for IBM3590 tape drives hit more than the cost of a reconditioned one it was just well past time to buy spares and show people how to switch them over. There are plenty of third party repairers for a lot of gear so long as you have plenty of time to get things fixed. Support is rarely as good as advertised so it's best to avoid every needing it at all is possible. Where I am none of the vendors even bother to have local support staff so not even the simplest thing is going to get fixed within a day by a vendor anyway. In the past one support call involved two days of attempting to convince the vendor that our one and only computer of the type they dealt with was actually covered by quite an expensive contract. It's a pain trying to deal with a vendors failure of their internal records system fractured by a takeover as well as fixing your own gear - after two days and several dozen calls I told them to leave me alone and refund the remainder of the contract.

    2. Re:Yes... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I can't agree with you more. The support staff at big company X aren't any better than you'd get if you put up a job listing for random people with experience with company X's equipment. This is my conclusion from years of experience with networking hardware vendors.

      And what's oh so much worse is when they're wrong, the onus is on you to prove to your terrified bosses that the expert at big company X is an idiot who doesn't know thing 1 about big company X's products. I get more pop quizes from support techs than answers, and more than that, their answers are so unreliable that you can't take it to mean anything. They'll spend an hour explaining why X's products can't do Z, while a 5 minute test would have proven otherwise.

      So, save your money, and invest it in a lab, then pocket the rest.

      Support is only good for long term part replacement, guaranteeing a given part will still be available 10 years from now. You can't always stock up on everything and assume it will work after sitting on a shelf untested for years.

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    3. Re:Yes... by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      Yup - we're saving $180k/year on a Sun support contract by keeping spares of all the 6+ year old SPARC equipment we have in production.

  25. So he stole a couple screws by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    Considering how EMC's crap is overpriced, it doesn't take much to make $1 million.

    There's one thing that's more astonishing than how expensive their crap is: how crappy their software is. It looks like it's written by deranged apes. Not just because of the million bugs, the offensively useless help files or the fact that their appliances are running on Windows 3.11 (true fact!). No, there's something to it that's simply _wrong_.

    1. Re:So he stole a couple screws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how EMC's crap is overpriced, it doesn't take much to make $1 million.

      There's one thing that's more astonishing than how expensive their crap is: how crappy their software is. It looks like it's written by deranged apes. Not just because of the million bugs, the offensively useless help files or the fact that their appliances are running on Windows 3.11 (true fact!). No, there's something to it that's simply _wrong_.

      Wow what EMC appliances and software are you running? You must be on Flare 3 or something. All the Flare releases for the last 8-9 years having been running with a modified version of XP, which may or may not be better. Just FYI

  26. One piece at a time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet it didn't cost him a dime.

  27. How did they catch him? by swb · · Score: 1

    9 years is a long time to do something like that. How did they catch him?

    Was it on the factory/warehouse end? One gets the impression that they weren't really missing anything, at least for a long time.

    Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if EMC actually bought their own parts off the second-hand market. Both for "intelligence" (ie, where are these parts originating) and to keep the used market supply of key parts constrained so that "official" new parts sell better.

  28. Kind of like the old bit by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    where people in the service would steal an entire jeep, one part at a time and ship it home.

  29. 2 Mill by dark+grep · · Score: 4, Funny

    $2M of EMC equipment - wow, that's like five hard drives!

  30. Details? by DreamArcher · · Score: 2

    So kit = stuff = gear. So what? Why do they not specify what this stuff is? I've unfortunately had my home robbed and neither the police report or insurance report said "They stole stuff".

  31. SSD drives are small and expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if he was taking SSD drives $1 million could be just 30 drives

  32. EMC can suck my disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuf said

  33. EMC is a world leader by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    in selling overpriced Windows 3.11 machines with lots of overpriced disks in them. They are also world famous for having the worst user interface, the most buggy device drivers (do not use EMC with Linux!) and the most unusable support website -- PowerStink(tm)

  34. EMC is not just expensive by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    They suck at software. Every EMC-provided piece of software I've had the misfortune to look at has been a profound disaster. Their Linux drivers generate kernel oops as a matter of routine -- and it's even documented -- if you don't deactivate things in the right order.

  35. I guess my only real question here is by wesleyjconnor · · Score: 1

    where is the *news*? This is filler, fluff, non-news.

  36. one piece at a time by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    i knew it -- he got his plan from johnny cash --:-D

    One Piece at at Time

    Well, I left Kentucky back in '49
    An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
    The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs

    Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
    And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
    'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.

    One day I devised myself a plan
    That should be the envy of most any man
    I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
    Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
    But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
    I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.

    CHORUS
    I'd get it one piece at a time
    And it wouldn't cost me a dime
    You'll know it's me when I come through your town
    I'm gonna ride around in style
    I'm gonna drive everybody wild
    'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.

    (Written by W. Kemp; Recorded by Johnny Cash, 1976)

  37. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left kentucky back in '59/ went to Detroit working assembly line/The first year they had me putting wheels on Cadillacs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIuo0KIqD_E Also

    now getting caught meant getting fired...

  38. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    'kit' is a well known and old term for 'stuff'. A kit bag was what (may be still is) military used for their personal stuff - razor etc.

    In any case, this reminds me of the story about the guy working at the factory who was seen taking wheelbarrows of trash from the premises day after day. Security could not figure out what was going on. Finally confronted the man, who eventually confessed to stealing wheelbarrows...

    Sorry, it's not that well known anymore. gramps.

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  39. At least it's not NetApp by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    You'd only get a 100G drive and no bracket there

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  40. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    i say it all the time. never had anyone ask what it means. they smiled and nodded like they always do when i speak.

  41. Urban Legend by Sits · · Score: 1

    Wheelborrow theft urban legend on Snopes (as other posters say there are versions with bikes and donkeys too but others know your version too). According to Snopes it's been around for years and was also mentioned in a Crocodile Dundee movie,,,

    1. Re:Urban Legend by neokushan · · Score: 1

      Well thank you for ruining a precious childhood memory of mine, you utter shit.

      (Note: Sarcasm implied)

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  42. Back at Motorola by pablo_max · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember years ago when I was working at Motorola, we had a guy who was stealing loads of pagers. He would take smoking breaks several times a day. Every time he would take his smokes and coffee. Even in those days the guards would check out your bag, but he would not check in your coffee cup. That sucker took 2 pagers several times a day, 5 days a week for a long time.
    He would then have his buddy who owned a pager store sell them. Made tons of cash.

    Another guy was diverting whole tractor trailer trucks to his address! He stole millions! He was only caught because one time a truck returned because of a bad address. That was so awesome. Big scandal. Soon after we got metal detectors at all the doors. Lame.

  43. So he stole one HDD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Y'know cause EMC arrays are horrendously expensive.

  44. Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and :^) by Lashat · · Score: 1

    I'm amazed that my fellow Americans are unable to extrapolate what "kit" means. We have plenty of "First Aid Kits". "Kit Cars", NO, not the Knight Rider version, thanks. As well as "Cosmetic Kits", ask your mom.

    Then directly to the point, who has never heard the song "Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and smile, smile, smile."? Check out the contemporary version as opposed to the 1915 German original --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm86M2TKFDk

    I guess the EMC engineer took the lyrics literally when considering his financial woes. (ba-dum-bum) Thank You I'm here every open mic night.

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  45. Is that $1 million in EMC msrp pricing? by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't take too many components (or "kit" if you prefer for some reason) priced at EMC's ridiculously over inflated "before discount" pricing to hit $1 million worth of "loss". This isn't even really news, just fairly typical inventory shrinkage.

  46. According to my recent appliance repairs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it was just a few dishwasher and washing machine components, he'd have come up to $1M in about 5 trips.

  47. "One Piece at a Time" by whitroth · · Score: 1

    ...
    Well, It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56
    '57, '58' 59' automobile
    It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67
    '68, '69, '70 automobile.

      (Watch out for the irritating popup/under/ontops.)

                    mark

  48. Knight Rider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought he was taking out the KIT knight Rider car one piece at a time.

  49. Re:What happened to copy and paste? by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    Being well read, with a decent vocabulary, is not restricted to the elderly. You too can aspire to adequacy.

  50. Wouldn't have taken long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the price of EMC kit $1M worth of stuff is about 3 hard drives and a drive bay blanking plate.

  51. Old Joke, Similar Subject by ctaylor · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of an old joke (it's kind of a shaggy dog story, so apologies in advance):

    The Kremlin is getting reports that theft is happening at one of their factories. Unfortunately, it is so disorganized, they aren't even sure what is being stolen, let alone who is taking the State's property. They decide to send some KGB men to the factory to find and punish the thief.

    One of the KGB narrows it down to a couple of suspects. His prime suspect is a truck driver. Each day the truck driver goes by the front gate and the KGB guard stops him and searches the truck. Day after day, week after week. Nothing can be found.

    The KGB man is getting very frustrated, but continues the daily searches. The truck driver always stands to the side and watches the KGB man search the truck, looking completely at east. (You see, the KGB man knows that the truck driver should be nervous. In Soviet Russia, the innocent are always nervous).

    Anyways, this continues for months. Finally, the KGB man can't take it anymore. He pulls the truck driver aside and says, "Look, Comrade. I know you are the thief. I know you are stealing from Mother Russia. But for the life of me, I can't prove it. So I will make you a deal. You tell me what you are stealing and how you are getting away with it, and I will look the other way."

    The truck driver thinks about it for a moment, he knows he probably shouldn't agree, but this is a joke, so he has to, and says, "Comrade KGB man, it is very simple. I am stealing the trucks."