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Verizon Finally Unveils Apple iPhone

Velcroman1 writes "The most asked question in all of technology finally has an answer. When will Verizon get the iPhone? The answer: early next month. Verizon COO Lowell McAdam unveiled a new iPhone Tuesday during a presentation in New York that was short on surprises as most of the tech press already knew what was coming. 'If the press writes about something long enough and hard enough, eventually it comes true,' McAdam joked. Nevertheless, the move clears a major hurdle for Apple as they face increasing competition in smartphones, particularly from devices based on Google Inc.'s Android software which has exploded in popularity. Verizon's Lowell McAdam described the unveiling as a 'great day for wireless customers across the US.'"

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  1. The good and bad... by imamac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good: Free tethering. Bad: No simultaneous voice/data.

    1. Re:The good and bad... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Want to reference an email in Gmail while on a phone call? Doesn't work. Want to look at Google Maps to give directions while you're on the phone with someone? Doesn't work. Yes, no data/voice simultaneously is a big deal.

    2. Re:The good and bad... by imamac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Voice calls take priority--any data needs are paused while on a call.

    3. Re:The good and bad... by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

      When the iphone first launched on at&t it had the same restriction. The problem I had was that when using data (which I do a lot) incoming phone calls would go straight to voicemail. No idea if Verizon works the same way, but it was incredibly annoying at the time.

      That's because GPRS/EDGE baseband doesn't support simultaneous voice+data, because there's only one transceiver. All the UMTS (3G HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA) ones, in order to get higher speeds use channel bonding and multiple data contexts, which requires additional transceivers on additional channels. When a voice call comes it, it's just a control message to shut down a data context, switch a transceiver to the voice channel, and continue. The only thing that you'll notice is the data comes in a bit slower.

      As for LTE support - LTE rollout isn't everywhere, and LTE at the moment is only guaranteed for data - the voice path has not been fully ratified yet. No doubt you can run VoIP, but I'm sure the carriers are trying to figure a wya to limit the built-in VoIP to their network only in nice high priority while other VoIP services get stuck with regular data services...

    4. Re:The good and bad... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not going to say "I've never have had this happen", because in the nearly five years I've owned an iPhone it has... three times I think. It's not actually all that common because of a factor you're not considering. You can simultaneously use voice and wifi. Usually (not always obviously, but usually) when I need to reference Internet stuffs while on the phone I'm in a static location where there's wifi. I wouldn't complain about the problem going away, mind you, but it's not really a huge issue most of the time.

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  2. Not free tethering - WiFi hotspot, unknown price by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They didn't just say they would support tethering, they said you could use it as a hotspot - about time.

    BUT what I don't think was stated, was how much (if anything), this will cost... it might be free but I don't think the price of anything was made clear. They also didn't talk about unlimited data plans even though that was a rumor, and the Verizon data plan page says there is a 2GB cap on smartphone plans.

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  3. Re:Best by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unlimited data is cool, but in the 6 months or so I've had my iPhone, I've never even come close to using the 2GB data limit. WiFi is so ubiquitous, even where I live out in the sticks.

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  4. Lame press conference by jandrese · · Score: 4, Informative
    They refused to talk about the data plans? What is this, I don't even.

    Anyway, there were exactly 3 things of interest at the press conference:
    1. Verizon is getting the iPhone
    2. It will be CDMA only (no LTE, no simultaneous voice/data)
    3. It will allow a 5-person WiFi hotspot

    That's it. I would think if they're going to bother holding a press conference like this that they would be willing to talk a bit more about the device first, but no, it's was only the most minimal sip of information they could get away with divulging.

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  5. Re:Ok by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most common(and probably most effective) backpedaling strategy is "Don't".

    Just stop saying what you were saying before, scrub it from visible locations where possible, then begin emitting the new party line. Most people have sufficiently short memories, or high enough tolerance for absurd contradictions, that they won't bat an eye. The people who don't fit in this category will never be satisfied, so why bother worrying about them?

  6. Re:disconnect by renek · · Score: 5, Informative

    What actually happens when a call comes in? Obviously any data streams stop, but if I have a laptop tethered will TCP connections get reset or is it like all of a sudden having dropped packets?

    That's exactly what happens. I travel a great deal for business and given that most hotel's WiFi tends towards the sucktastic side of speeds I tether my Droid constantly. When a phone call comes in the radio kills any data coming through it. The connection doesn't get a reset, the packets just stop coming.

  7. Yes it does... by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure it does, I can look at google maps when on the phone, on an iPhone, on AT&T.

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  8. Re:Ok by brian_tanner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All I heard over and over was "customers keep telling us they want it". What I didn't hear was "this is the best phone we have". No contradiction. Giving customers what they are asking for is hardly rocket science. Not like they are replacing other products with the iPhone.

  9. Re:Ok by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Funny

    claustrophobia-inducing

    You are not supposed to try to live in the box it came in.

  10. Re:Mums the word. by MistrBlank · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They promised to give up the one thing that Verizon has held out on all this time, Verizon branding all over the phone.

    It will be verizon free, free of all the extra apps and crap they want installed on the system. It will remain an Apple device, exactly what Apple has always wanted and only AT&T would agree to.

    It hasn't been an exclusive agreement or Apple's will that kept the phone on AT&T, it's Verizon's vanity and need for control over a device that is yours to use.
    With LTE coming up, they didn't want to miss out on an iDevice for another generation of wireless data.

  11. Go haggle with ATT. Right now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After the announcement, I called ATT and asked for incentives to keep me on their network. I told them about the Verizon announcement, and offered to renew my contract if they would upgrade me to the iPhone 4 at no cost, and knock $15 off my month rate. They accepted the deal. ATT know the threat Verizon poses, and are eager to stop the bloodletting. I would encourage everyone who is willing to stick around to haggle.

    1. Re:Go haggle with ATT. Right now. by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do better than that.

      Verizon will be allowing their iPhone to be a wifi hotspot (so it allows tethering) AND are offering unlimited plans.

      Demand the same from AT&T. I'm still on my unlimited plan but I cannot change ANYTHING else I will lose it; I can't change my phone number (which I want to do because clients keep calling me directly), I can't upgrade or downgrade minutes, add tethering, or change any other plan features or I will lose my unlimited data. I'm hoping AT&T will get a clue and bring back their unlimited plan and also allow the phone to be used as a wifi hotspot.

      Yes, I know you can tether via SSH (requires jailbreaking), but it's not the same and it is a bit of a pain.

      There is a huge down side to Verizon's iPhone though; it is CDMA so you won't get simultaneous voice and data. This means no surfing the web or checking email while waiting on hold with their customer disservice.

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  12. Re:Ok by I8TheWorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which phone did you buy? My Galaxy S trumps my iPhone 3gs in every aspect (I never bothered to get an iPhone 4). I keep reading how sluggish Android is (note, not reality there... Android is an OS, iPhone is hardware) and have yet to see it on the Galaxy S, Incredible, and Blackflip.

    Honestly, I think people are either making it up or buying really low end hardware and allowing every app they've installed to run in the background.

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  14. Re:Ok by isleshocky77 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just happened to be reading the FAQ's.

    http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html#item12

    5. Do I need to sign up for a 2 year agreement? When purchasing iPhone at the 2 year promotional price a new agreement is required. However, you will also have the option to purchase iPhone at full retail price, which will not require you to sign a long-term agreement.

  15. Wow, if you think that's bad Verizon is worse by tekrat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Verizon is a phone company that doesn't know how to answer a phone, transfer a call, make a three-way call, or anything else involving phones.

    Their billing department plays games, randomly changing your bill by a few extra cents each month, even if you're on a set-amount negotiated by contract. Their CSAs (when and if you get through to one) will *say* they are doing everything to resolve your issues, but nothing happens.

    And then of course, my favorite: Sales guy swears up and down on a stack of bibles that your bill is going to be $89.99, plus a few taxes and fees. He'll tell you "About $114" when all is said and done. And you ask him again. So that's *everything* right? I won't get a huge bill with set-up fees and crap? He says "No. I guarantee your bill won't be over $114". Three weeks later the first bill arrives and it's $250. You then get to spend the next 6 months fighting with them over that bill. You will threaten to take them to court. You will write the Attourney State General, your Senators, your Congressmen. You will speak to every Vice-President Verizon has, wasting over $1000 of your time and theirs. Finally, they will agree to credit your bill. Except that no credit ever appears and you get to start all over again, or give up.

    That's the Verizon I know. I hope you faire better. All I know is that I wouldn't trust them to clean toilets, much less run critical infrastructure.

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