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eBooks Nearly Outsell Print Books At Amazon

destinyland writes "Thursday Amazon.com announced that they're selling more ebooks than paperback books — and three times as many ebooks as hardcovers. If you combine their statistics into a pie chart, it shows that 45% of all the books Amazon sells are now ebooks. And Amazon's statistic doesn't include all the free ebooks people are downloading to their Kindles, so if just one user downloads a free ebook for every nine paid ebook purchases — then Amazon is already delivering more digital ebooks than they are print editions." Another reader tips an interview with Brian Altounian, CEO of ebook marketplace WOWIO, in which he discusses an encroaching feature that ebook aficionados love to hate: ads.

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  1. Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by intellitech · · Score: 2

    This is same phenomenon that has made millionaires out of many a mobile app writer. Cheaper prices per item can lead to exponentially increased sales, which leads to more market visibility, which leads to more sales, and so on and so forth. This shouldn't surprise anyone, considering the popularity of the Kindle and the costs of physical books.

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    1. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by hardtofindanick · · Score: 2

      I believe your analogy is wrong. ebook prices are not as low as you make them to be. Used books are in fact cheaper than kindle versions (libraries are full of used books too, that doesn't seem to bother anyone). Go to Amazon and compare a few books. e.g., Change We Can Believe In: Kindle: 8.09, Paperback: 8.49, Used: 3.68. But you don't have to pay shipping and you don't have to wait, it is very convenient. Combined with the curiosity factor, no wonder it ebooks caught up so fast.

      This is an expected transition that was eventually going to happen.

    2. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by theaveng · · Score: 2

      And if you turn-around and sell the Used book to somebody else for ~$3.00, then you've really only paid 68 cents.

      Kindle - $8.09
      Used - 0.68

      Wow that is a bargain. Over 90% off the kindle price. If you read $1000 worth of books each year, you'll save over $900 buying used instead, and then selling it back via amazon's marketplace.

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    3. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by mattmarlowe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately, amazon caved into the demands of the large publishers and is now allowing publishers to set prices. Naturally, the publishers have started to test having ebook prices of popular new releases actually be $1-2 higher than the equivalent hardcover and after the release has been out awhile reduce the ebook price to be just the same as paperback. So, in effect we move from the situation a year ago where kindle readers were receiving a discount on books and publishers could complain that the future of publishing was in peril - we now have a situation where kindle readers are being pushed as an extra money maker - kindle readers are paying a premium for fast access to books above and beyond the cost of the kindle itself. Somewhat of an interesting situation where if a kindle owner has an amazon prime account, he is actually paying amazon extra not to kill a tree and burn additional energy to send him the physical copy.

    4. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by xwizbt · · Score: 2

      This is so true, but in practice I'm selling books on eBay for 0.99 and charging a postage rate of three times what the book is worth just to break even. That's because the postage rate for books is murder...

      Why eBooks aren't priced to reflect the lack of paper, shipping and bulk is beyond me.

    5. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Besides the portability factor, I also like the fact that if I buy something on the kindle, I can access it from multiple devices, and if I lose the kindle I can just re-download everything.

    6. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by commodore6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can ship books via media mail at $3.24 or if the book is light, first class for $2. Plus whatever delivery confirmation costs.

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    7. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

      One thing to keep in mind: there aren't minimal resources required, because most of the cost of publishing a book isn't the physical manufacturing/shipping/etc; it's edition, author advances, advertising, and other processes that wouldn't disappear even if the book was exclusively digital. Granted, most books aren't - which means that these costs are spread across both physical and e-Book sales, not that e-Book copies somehow cost nothing to make. Additionally, depending on the publication process and eBook store, reformatting and edition may have to take place when converting from the files used to create the physical book and the eBook edition.

      That being said, eBook prices are still unreasonable, and they ARE competing with a lot of compelling free material. Something has to give - and I think many people will be using their readers primarily for Gutenberg until (paperback-equivalent) prices drop into a saner, 4-6 dollar range.

      Also, "LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!" - Paul Atreides, The Unfortunate Motion Picture Version of Dune's Trailer, But Not The Film Itself, Because Who Wants a Rallying Speech in an 80s SciFi Movie, AMIRITE?

    8. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by noidentity · · Score: 2

      Hell, most new hardback books are cheaper than their ebook equivalents. It's utterly ridiculous, given the minimal amount of resources involved in producing an ebook.

      One thing to keep in mind: there aren't minimal resources required, because most of the cost of publishing a book isn't the physical manufacturing/shipping/etc; it's edition, author advances, advertising, and other processes that wouldn't disappear even if the book was exclusively digital.

      I think he was talking about the resources to make another copy of the book. Hardback book: page printing, cutting, binding, cover, shipping. Ebook: sending a few megabits of data. As he says, it's ridiculous that the ebook version is more expensive, because it's the same intellectual content in both. Even if we assume that their source was a physical copy, with no digital versions, so they had to digitize it for the ebook version, that still can't explain why the amortized digitization cost exceeds the per-book production cost.

    9. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by Phoghat · · Score: 2
      When the Kindle first came out it was too expensive to warrant me buying one. Now that the Kindle 6" WiFi is available at a price point affordable to me at $139, it made sense. There are always lots of free and low cost books on Amazon, and there are many sites on the webs that have free Kindle content

      . It's not all unknown authors too. Sometimes an author will plan a trilogy and make the first volume available free so that he will interest you in buying the other volumes. Sometimes a publisher Baen Free Library will do the same.

      I have over 400 books in my Kindle WiFi right now, some have been bought at Amazon, some free from Amazon and the rest free from other sites. I guess I am part of the phenomenon because it makes sense to me

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    10. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by narcc · · Score: 2

      That being said, eBook prices are still unreasonable, and they ARE competing with a lot of compelling free material.

      And yet they're selling remarkably well. It seems the market has decided that the convenience is worth both the cost of the initial investment and the regular "print" cost for the books.

      I would guess, given the numbers, that a sizable portion of the book market doesn't care about owning a physical book; they're more interested in just reading the text.

      It's also possible that a large number of readers find the physical book 'inconvenient' after they've read it -- if they don't want to just toss it in the bin, how do they get rid of it? (I'm not one of these, but the used book market and the annual library book sales seem to indicate that lots of people don't want to keep their old books around.)

      In any case, ebooks are selling well at their current price-point, and earning publishers millions in the process.

      Something has to give - and I think many people will be using their readers primarily for Gutenberg until (paperback-equivalent) prices drop into a saner, 4-6 dollar range.

      Again, the numbers tell a different story. Prices won't drop unless there's more profit to be made by increasing sales by lowering the price. I don't see this happening, as to half the cost means they'd need to sell more than twice as many books. I don't think we've got that many people willing to plunk-down $130 for a reader who would balk at paying $8, but happily pay $4, for an ebook to read on the thing.

      As for Project Gutenberg, they don't exactly have a selection that's terribly compelling for the majority of readers. Nor do I think a sizable portion of the market has even heard of PG. The additional complexity of getting the books on to their device keeps PG books completely inaccessible for non-technical readers.

      My wife and I are both big readers and consider physical books to be, metaphorically, sacred. I never would have considered even reading an ebook, let alone buying one. My attitude completely changed after I tried out a Kindle 3. Now that we both own e-readers (a Kindle 3 and a Sony PRS-350) not only do we read more books, we purchase more as well.

      My over-burdened bookshelves are grateful; now we only buy a physical copy of a book if it's something we decide we want to keep.

    11. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

      I think he was talking about the resources to make another copy of the book. Hardback book: page printing, cutting, binding, cover, shipping. Ebook: sending a few megabits of data.

      Maybe, but I don't think it's clear which he's referring to. When I think "producing an eBook," I don't think "just the physical part of the chain." If so, though, my objection is pretty much withdrawn.

      And replaced, unfortunately - printing more copies of a physical book that's already published can be a MUCH cheaper process than digitization, actually - at least digitization to publishable standards of a book with average sales numbers. And keep in mind that, while the prices for web-hosting, discovery services, etc, are low, they aren't zero - and literally centuries of bulk printing and warehousing has rendered that process fairly cheap when managed well. And this digitization cost, unlike edition, advertisement, etc, is ONLY amortized over the digital copy, because you don't have to digitize a paper book to sell it. Of course, this is true in reverse - distribution and printing are only amortized over paper. This cost does go down substantially with books where both can be created from the same master documents, but it wasn't the largest part of the book's cost to begin with.

      Additionally, the places where money IS being saved aren't actually attached to the publisher - because the publisher doesn't normally pay costs of transport, warehousing, etc. It's the distributor and the retailer that save money (although not as much as is generally claimed, for reasons above). Which brings it back to Amazon and Barnes and Noble, in both cases. Aha! I found an article I read that explains this - http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/01/amazon-macmillan-an-outsiders.html .

      The one last thing I would like to say is that we all know that book sales operate on extremely narrow margins; while it would be great to see some kind of savings out of e-Books, customers aren't actually entitled to the entire sum total of the price difference, especially in early stages where the infrastructure is still being built. Again, we should damn well see some savings, and the market won't bear the costs they're charging - but part of those costs are a much saner royalty structure for authors, which makes back-catalog sales MATTER even if you're not selling millions of books a year. So the "ALL EBOOKS THREE DOLLARS!" crowd isn't really realistic (I realize that you're not coming from that POV - sorry this has generalized out so much).

    12. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

      They are selling remarkably well to hardcore book enthusiasts - eBook owners are still a minority. My hope is that when readers hit $80 and books hit $6 or so, we'll actually see them as a driver of mainstream adoption.

      Also, tons of people read out of copyright stuff - Austen, Shakespeare, etc, are really, really popular. They don't tend to make up the entirety of most people's reading material, but it's not an uncompelling set of books - and as copyright creeps over the mid 1900s, it's just going to get more compelling.

      I'm a huge fan of eBooks, and I love my Kindle - but I don't buy many books from Amazon; and those tend to be the ones where there's a positive price-difference from the paperback. It's not the only draw possible, or even the only draw that leads me to purchase them, but it is a factor.

    13. Re:Same phenomenon as the mobile app market by Garwulf · · Score: 2

      Actually, that's what Amazon wants you to believe about it. The reality was somewhat different.

      The thing you have to understand is that for a major publisher, the actual production cost of a book is a very minor cost. Most of the cost of getting that book ready is editing, typesetting (even for an e-book), cover design (also even for an e-book) and marketing. And, e-books represent around 10% of trade fiction sales, give or take, so they bring in less money overall.

      What Amazon was doing was trying to force publishers into a contract wherein they had to offer Amazon the lowest list price, and lock them into an agreement where nobody (including the publisher's own website) could sell the e-books at a lower price than Amazon. And, to make matters worse, Amazon was trying to monopolize this market while offering the e-books at loss, essentially forcing everybody with a representative price (one that would actually put the e-books into the black) out of the market.

      The publishers rebelled, and Amazon backed down.

      But, Amazon was never doing it to protect consumers from the greedy publishers. Amazon was doing it to knock its competition out of business while ensuring that publishers couldn't do a thing about it.

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  2. I will accept ads by denshao2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if the books are free.

    1. Re:I will accept ads by Obyron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I'll never buy another eBook the first time I see an ad in one. We balance out. Books are about immersion, and having ads will ruin it for me.

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    2. Re:I will accept ads by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Funny

      The answer is of course, product placement in-line with the text. They could do this pretty easily on the back end of many books automatically.

      "... all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled upon the whale’s white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as he opened forth his Pepsi-Cola, he burst his hot heart’s shell upon it."

    3. Re:I will accept ads by macshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I'll never buy another eBook the first time I see an ad in one. We balance out. Books are about immersion, and having ads will ruin it for me.

      It seems like it depends critically on the presentation and content of the ads.

      Many (physical) paperbacks I buy have little fall-out inserts advertising other releases by the same publisher, book clubs, etc. I don't mind these -- I glance them, sometimes read them, usually toss them out (though the mini-catalogues of other books are actually useful enough to keep in some cases). They're easily ignored, not in my face, often informative, and topical.

      Ebook adverts with these same properties wouldn't be too objectionable I think.

      OTOH, I imagine the likelihood of ebook publishers not screwing it up is very low -- there's this weird idea amongst publishing entities (not just books but movies, music, etc) that any change of medium means that all the rules change, that any and all conventions and lessons learned from the old medium should be tossed out, and that the new medium is carte blanche to viciously ream the consumer while bleeding him dry.

      One would hope that consumers (and regulators, where appropriate) would disabuse publishers of this notion...

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    4. Re:I will accept ads by Draek · · Score: 2

      You'd be surprised at how much it takes to break you out of inmersion. Try reading a short story online sometime, 99% of them have ads left and right but one is easily able to follow the narrative without ever taking a second look at them.

      Kinda like the rest of the web, actually.

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    5. Re:I will accept ads by noidentity · · Score: 2

      Definitely agree. Dropping $0-$8 on a good book is easily justified.

      I don't know man, sometimes I find dropping $0 on a book isn't justified.

  3. Keep in mind by c0d3g33k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That Amazon does not represent the entire book market - they sell to a subset of customers that don't mind getting their books online. The fact that a significant portion of those customers are equally happy with ebooks isn't exactly a revelation. There are still a lot of people out there who prefer to buy real books, whether or not the big bookstores are catering to them.

    1. Re:Keep in mind by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      um, Amazon caters to all story lovers, whether it's print or electronic. It sells a huge base of books in a wide swath if genres.

      Like it or not, it's a strong market indicator

      Yes, there will always be book lovers. People who think the value in reading is the number books on their shelves.

      I pity them.

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    2. Re:Keep in mind by geekoid · · Score: 2

      They should purchase the newest version of the kindle, it's lighter.

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    3. Re:Keep in mind by icebike · · Score: 2

      There are still a lot of people out there who prefer to buy real books, whether or not the big bookstores are catering to them.

      But you have totally hand waived the story away!?!

      Similar results are shown by Barnes and Noble, which actually has more titles than Amazon.

      Ebooks are already nearly outselling Dead Tree Books, and the trend is only getting started. Ereader penetration is far from being mainstream. Yet the most avid readers seem to be adopting the devices at an astounding rate.

      Borders and Books-a-Million have also added eReaders. Its not a trend you can dismiss lightly. Just as the family photos have disappeared from the shoebox in the closet into digital storage that may die at any given instant, the family library acquired over generations is headed for extinction as well.

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  4. Re:Kindle owner by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as the Kindle has the ability to remotely delete books, they can go fuck themself.

  5. No ads by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Putting ads in ebooks would totally kill my interest in buying ebooks - and I'm a Kindle owner. If they start putting ads in there, I will sell my Kindle on eBay. I suspect inserting ads would kill the nascent ebook market.

    It's not like eBooks are a new product - they're just a repackaged offering of a product that's been sold for years and years. I've got lots of paper books, and they don't contain ads... with the exception of occasionally hawking another title by the same author.

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  6. Percentages do not exist without pie charts by mauddib~ · · Score: 2

    Interesting, it seems that nowadays we suddenly first have to put numbers into a pie chart, before we can see what percentage it has. This seems like primary school knowledge to me.

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  7. Re:the ebook ripoff by QCompson · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I understand it, soon after the ipad was introduced, most book publishers renegotiated their contract with amazon and B&N. The retail chains had acted previously like a normal brick and mortar store and could set their own prices for ebooks, but after the renegotiation they switched to the "agency model" which lets the publisher set the price. Amazon and B&N have no control over ebook prices now, they only receive a certain percentage of the profits.

    As a result, prices skyrocketed nearly overnight. The last 4 or 5 books I have been interested in buying have been more expensive as ebooks than in hardover or paperback form. So yes, it is a complete ripoff. Especially since you don't really own the ebooks you purchase and cannot lend them easily or sell them.

  8. Re:Not yet for me by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    However, I don't want to lose my library when the reader breaks or the publisher flips the kill switch. I will keep my hardcopies until ebooks are sold in, say, an unobfuscated XML format. (In fact, ebooks might finally provide a justifiable reason for XML to exist!)

    A good reason to strip the DRM off your ebooks - as is recalling what happened to the music libraries of people when their preferred vendor (e.g. Walmart) decided to exit the digital music business.

    When I purchase a Kindle book, the first thing I do is strip the DRM off, then copy the file over to the same hard drive my ripped (purchased!) DVDs are on. That drive gets backed up regularly, so I figure I'm covered. The only downside is certain formats - like the "Topaz" format Amazon uses for a minority of books - don't seem to be transparently "strippable".

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  9. Re:the ebook ripoff by icebike · · Score: 2

    Well the argument is (I don't totally believe it myself) that the actual printing and distribution of paper books is so cheap these days that it makes up only a small percentage of the costs.

    The cost of editing, ebook creation, and Author's Royalties account for the price of an Ebook. The difference in price between a hard cover (or paperback) and an ebook is the printing and distributional costs.

    Take any popular book such as Steven Kings "Under the Dome" and compare prices. Ebook 10, Paperback 12, Hardcover 20).

    If you wait a year or more the price diverges even more in favor of the ebook. Sometimes the prices are upside down, with ebooks being higher than print. Usually this does not last beyond 9 months after release.

    Now what you pay for a second hand book is entirely another matter. The author gets none of that money, and neither does the publisher. You have arguably arrived at the social value of the underlying literary work as all profit has been paid previously and stripped off.

    The reason one buys older books in ebook format is for convenience, and not having to line ones walls with shelves against the day you may want to re-read the work, or to avoid having to carry around a mountain of paperbacks.

    For those who want to read once, and not retain anything, used paperbacks are the way to go. For those who think an author's work is worth paying for, paperbacks or ebooks make the most sense. For collectors: hard covers.

    But in no case can you make the claim that an ebook has zero manufacturing costs.

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  10. Re:This is a tragedy. by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every single thing you said is false in the digital world.

    Its not a common place for people to learn. Library patronage is falling fast.

    Its no longer needed for a literate society. We have thousands of book stores, the Internet, and millions of totally free ebooks.

    Finding new authors? ---> Google.

    Enhances sales? Suppresses sales you mean.

    And libraries deprive authors of thousands of royalties.

    So wrong on 100% of your points. A case can be made that libraries in the digital age serve precisely one purpose, and that is to assure continued availability of works unpopular with the State or the Church or the general times.

    Its an unpopular view, but never the less, libraries have largely outlived their general usefulness.

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  11. Re:the ebook ripoff by Facegarden · · Score: 2

    Am i the only one who finds ebooks to be a complete ripoff? I received a kindle for christmas and was completely floored by the fact that most amazon ebooks are $10+! I can go to a half price books and get the book in paperback and sometimes hard back for the same cost or less in most cases. The fact that I'm expected to pay the same for a product with zero manufacuturing costs as a physical "it's mine" copy is outlandish.

    Can you carry 1000 books in your pocket?

    You're paying for other things when you buy a Kindle book - mostly, convenience. You can carry many books at once and access them from anywhere, even without the Kindle device present (they have a PC/Android/iOS app that syncs your library and last read page).

    If the Kindle were cheaper, I may even be willing to pay *extra* for books. I've got several books I'm reading right now and I hate having them all over the place.

    You also get books instantly. You can get books from a bookstore pretty much instantly too (depending on your proximity to a book store), but they cost more at a bookstore - because you're paying for convenience.

    I recently paid almost 3 times the "shipped from online" Barnes and Noble price for a book to buy at a B&N store because I wanted to start reading it that night.

    Its interesting actually:
    The book (ReWork - though I don't exactly recommend it, turns out) is:
    (all prices from B&N since they have a brick and mortar and online store)
    $7.47 Paperback online (on sale from $9.00)
    $9.02 Nook edition
    $12.91 Hardcover online
    $21 (approx, from memory) in store hardcover price

    I paid $21 for the book because I wanted it that night. Compared to the digital version, I spent an extra $12, or 8.5% of a kindle (I'd rather have a Kindle than a Nook)

    I'd miss the smell of a good book, that's for sure, but otherwise, as long as it can't be DRM'ed out of existence, I wouldn't mind paying the same or even more for a Kindle version.

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  12. May be selling lots of ebooks, not lots of Kindles by itwbennett · · Score: 2

    Amazon is quick to talk up exactly how many ebooks it has sold, but the company won't disclose how many Kindles it has sold (it just says 'millions'). Ryan Faas thinks that 'one reason that Amazon may be enjoying this level of success and yet be unwilling to disclose how many actual devices it has sold is that many of those ebook sales may not be tied to actual Kindle devices.' By making the Kindle a platform that can be run on just about anything, Amazon has positioned itself to rake in ebook sales even if it can't move Kindle hardware in vast quantities, says Faas.

  13. Replace those record albums with CDs! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2

    Is this real?

    A manipulation from Amazon would be nothing new, and this one costs them nothing and has the potential to create a profitable trend. Those Jonses and their Kindles.

    But whatever. Let's take it at face value. . .

    All those people who got an iPad thingy for Christmas are eager to try it out and never ever get bored with their cool new Buzz Lightyear.

    So yeah, they're going to buy media, because that's the whole premise of the device. You don't get a Buzz Lightyear and *not* click his wings open a bunch of times.

    And the same way everybody had to replace their album collections with CDs, there is a market spike as new media is adopted.

    The question is. . . Will it stick, or is this just another digital watch?

    Well, let's consider. . , all those iPads were bought at around the same time. But their batteries will wear out according to usage, and when your digital book stops holding a charge for long enough. . , do you replace it? Was the experience good enough for you? Can you port all your purchased 'books' over to a new reader easily? Do you have to stay brand-loyal just to read your stuff? Will there be law-suits forcing personal library porting because Apple is the new anti-competitive demon? Will people even care? (Do you still have all the same crap you downloaded from Napster or have you moved on, secure in the knowledge that all that old music is basically free any time you want it? Or are you willing to pay a buck to play it on your iPod?)

    Will owning an eReader of some sort be like owning a car? Or a phone? Considered a basic necessity just so you can access your stuff?

    Maybe.

    I think eReaders are probably here to stay, and they will probably be a viable income source for publishers, but I wouldn't let all that limelight blind you. Paper ain't going away. It's just going to have to share.

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  14. licensing, not buying by seifried · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are licensing the eBook. Not buying it.

    Amazon recalls (and embodies) Orwell's '1984'

    1. Re:licensing, not buying by BlackCreek · · Score: 2

      You are licensing the eBook. Not buying it.

      What you say is true, and still many people (including me) are only buying e-books.

      There is more to e-books & paper books, than the licensing difference. The impression I get at slashdot is that most people bashing e-books have never used an e-book, or are not old enough to understand the 'costs' associated with a large library.

      I can only speak for myself but:

      • For starters, the lack of physical space in my house for even more books had -for a number of years- made me buy less books than what I would otherwise. Formulating in a different way: the price of space in my house is a lot higher than any extra cost I might incur due to DRM.
      • Since I had to move so many times, most books I bought in college were either donated or are at boxes in a different hemisphere than the one I live at.
      • people that don't move much perhaps don't appreciate this in its full truth but moving boxes full of books is a PITA. I moved a lot in the last 10 years...
      • I can avoid carrying 10 books when I take vacations
      • I can buy any books during my vacations
      • adjustable font sizes
      • dictionary look-ups
      • easy way to back-up annotations and highlighted text from books.
  15. Re:the ebook ripoff by icebike · · Score: 2

    Welcome to America.

    You will find it different here than the jungle hut you used to live in. Here people do things for money. Since you work for free, you might not notice this. But don't tell Charles Portis he is ripping you off by selling you a book. (Yes, he's still alive and collecting royalties).

    One might ask why there was even a remake of True Grit. Must be just a clear rip off.

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  16. Re:the ebook ripoff by ErikZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Welcome to capitalism.

    Buy things you think are worth the price, don't buy things you don't. The market will respond.

    As for me, I agree with you 100% and I've been a Kindle owner for years now. This has lead me down the path of trying new Authors who are trying to build a name for themselves. They do it by offering lower priced books, or even giving away the first book in a series.

    It's been great!

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    Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
  17. Re:the ebook ripoff by noidentity · · Score: 3

    Also, let's correct this quote in the summary: "they're selling more ebook licenses than paperback books". Give me a real book I can lend/sell/give away.

  18. Re:This is a tragedy. by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

    So, how does this argument not apply to paper books? In fact, it's actually a better argument for paper books, because most libraries have long practice in being very convenient to borrow paper books from, whereas most eBook lending programs aren't very convenient at all; usually they're so rights-encumbered that they give up most of the advantages of being digital copies.

    I'm a grad student for Library and Information Science, in my last semester. While it's great when people contribute to libraries, it's not a tragedy when they buy books for themselves.

  19. Re:This is a tragedy. by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

    Actually, nothing he said is false, and also, library patronage is seeing a rise lately. FUNDING is falling, true; but libraries serve a variety of social functions, serve as the main driver for many literacy programs, facilitate research in any number of areas, and, oh yeah, generate royalties through book purchasing.

    And the "libraries hurt authors" chestnut has been stupid since roughly the 1800s. If you can't bother to do enough reading to debunk that crap, I can't be bothered to hold your hand through it.

    Additionally, the impact of libraries is larger on certain populations - namely, those who can't afford books and other services offered by libraries (including the kind of open access to the internet required for participation in your "digital world").

    Those millions of free eBooks - where do you think a lot of them came from? Magic fairies? A huge percentage of the people involved in Gutenberg work at libraries. Hell, half their mirrors are on various library-owned servers. You know where the books Google scans come from? Largely libraries. Oh, shit, and you know where the metadata that lets you find those books comes from? The OCLC - the L in which stands for, you guessed it, Libraries. I just interviewed for an internship there - they're looking for librarians with traditional cataloguing skills.

  20. E-Calibre? by willynate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just curious why no one has mentioned e-calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com/) as a great tool for essentially removing the DRM from Amazon books. Just suck your .amz or .mobi books off your Kindle and convert them to .epub and back. A buddy and me have permenantly "loaned" each other copies of several books we bought off Amazon in this manner.

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    PS . . . What the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated --- Mitch Hedberg