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Can World Governments Veto Your Domain Name?
AugstWest writes "There's been talk recently of the Obama administration wanting the right to shoot down possible TLDs, but it looks like things may be going even a step further — According to this article by Laura Stotler, 'the NTIA is asking for the power to object to any proposed Internet address for any reason.' What happens if, say, the government of Germany decides they don't like your domain name? ICANN's had its share of bureaucratic nightmares, what happens when world governments also have a say?"
Damn... my idea to have NaziMohammed.com goes down the drain.
grrrr
All your domain are belong to US!
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
...registering www.gayspacenazis.com now...
This is a really wonderful idea. I certainly wouldn't want to register a domain that might not be acceptable to every bureaucrat in every government on the planet. This way, if there's something that a particular government doens't like, they can just remove it for me. Simple! This will be awesome!
"ooops, nope, can't use that one!" - NTIA
Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
Of course they quote this line:
Then in order to push their pov they ignore the very next line:
No single country can veto something, it takes a majority to agree to the veto.
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While it might not get you very recognized, you could setup your own DNS root servers for your friends to use. With this approach, you could choose any name you wanted, and just forward all unknown requests to a ICANN root server.
We don't need any more TLDs. We should be phasing out some of the existing ones, not creating new ones. The .mil and .gov TLDs should be transitioned to reside under .us, and .net and .edu should be transition to reside under the appropriate country. Everything else other than .com, .org, and country TLDs should be phased out.
why can't each country have their own TLD (already off to a good start), and they can manage their TLD however they want to...
how you want to deal with the .com/.net/.org domains is up for debate... perhaps transition them over to the appropriate country domain (ex: google.com.us), or just prevent further registration, and leave them with US.
There is no law that says there can be only one DNS root. If the Governments start censoring domain names, a competing DNS structure will arise, e.g. based from OpenDNS or some other entity.
Come on, there's a problem with someone registering IRS.usa. I could think of 100 worse abusive and misleaing TLDs. Custom TLDs was a stupid and dangerous idea to begin with.
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Can't anything be done through the legal system anymore? Or is that just for those without money?
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It's time for a peer to peer DNS system that doesn't have an easily controllable central server.
I'm thinking perhaps a mix could be used. P2P for the replacement of the root servers, and the rest of the system kept the way it currently is. The root servers are what all this is targeted at anyway.
Figuring out how to deal with collisions and attempts at impersonation will be tricky though. Certs can be used, but the CAs reintroduce he same problem.
Does anyone else thing it's rather silly that ICANN is seriously considering new, highly-specific TLDs?
For example, a .nyc TLD is rather silly, as one can already get example.ny.us domains. If one has a New York office for their company, why not simply set up a subdomain of nyc.example.com? That way the organizational hierarchy is preserved without needing additional TLDs.
The article also mentions that the dotGAY Initiative and the .GAY Alliance are looking to get a .gay TLD. Why? Why not get gayalliance.org, assuming they don't already have it?
I'm curious as to the utilization of the less-common TLDs like .info, .jobs, .museum, and so on. I can't imagine they're terribly useful; why would a company buy example.jobs rather than simply use jobs.example.com?
Sure, ICANN wants to make money and trademark holders would need to re-purchase their names in different TLDs, so I see the financial motivation to create new TLDs, but it still seems like a bad idea for the internet as a whole.
If I register "ntiasucks.com" now, will it be grandfathered in?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
goodbye whitehouse.com
How much time is going to be wasted while the world's governments pick over each domain level name? I can see it adding weeks or months to each application.
And what happens when, not if, when a government rejects an application so that one of their own businesses can picked up the domain?
In conclusion, I think the only solution here is to keep governments out of the domain assigning business.
YES WE CAN !
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Germany, Costa Rica, Mozambique, or any other country to veto any domain they want... within the borders of their own country, not outside them
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
As I've always thought, why don't we have people who know about the internet be in control of the internet. To politicians, posting you latest campaign meeting on Facebook does not mean you know about the internet!
Looks like all the hopes of technosavvy Obama electorate were in vain. Obama uses his techno awareness mostly for evil.
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“Ironically, the US has become the most formidable world advocate of burdensome government oversight and control in internet governance,” said Milton Mueller, a Syracuse University professor.
Yes, that is ironic. Because in all other ways the US is a shining beacon of hope and joy and all things wonderful to us all.
Seriously, talk about a reason to use an alternate DNS source -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root
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Domain names are addresses. I think in general it's time we stop thinking about our vanity and start thinking about the fucking CONTENT located on each website, from a kind of internet quality perspective. While it isn't any government's business what I call my website, I don't know if it matters that much what my domain name is, so I don't care if it had to be changed for some viable reason.
glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/ (now a dead link) comes to mind here as being one of those domains I wouldn't want to see sabotaged by a government, just because it's a possibly slanderous domain name. It's an address and it's a freedom of speech issue that someone can put anything they want as a domain. I think this is why we need a free internet.
But here's the other rub. If some governments are going to start imposing restrictions on domains, I can see a totally viable internet business as being a forwarding one, where you put your server IP in and alias it to whatever the fuck you want, which actually wouldn't be that fucking hard right now. Then people of a particular mindset could use the forwarding service to bypass any form of government restriction and we can all say fuck you to big government, but unlike the Tea Party -- we could really mean it.
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Its already happening ,..For example...check http://www.rojadirecta.com/
Luckily they changed their address to http://www.rojadirecta.es/
In the beginning anybody could set up a radio station, only needing to conform to the standards of the radio receivers.
Then came government regulation: on frequencies, on receiver standards, on power, and even on call letters.
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Are there lessons to be learned from Egypt? (Something about not just being a disturbed observer, sitting at your keyboard?)
Tell me, what CAN'T World Governments do, dude?
We should study this problem through a National Url Tiered Systems Appellations Control Comitee. Look them up on nutsacc.com
They can have my /etc/hosts file when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands!
Have gnu, will travel.
Didn't Kazakhstan pull Sasha Cohen's domain after the movie came out?
ITs nothing new, egypt tried and failed horribly. If they put to much pressure on domain names to point of being able to disconnect them from internet, an underground dns server will startup in no time, just as file sharing overcame all no matter how many laws corrupt music and movie industry law makers made, this will be no different, you cannot stop a majority from getting at what they want, wiki leaks has proven this, file sharing has proven this, there is nothing people cannot do united.
That's the letters after the last dot in the domain names. So we don't end up with http://barber.mainstreet.eastpodunk/
Sorry, Couldn't help posting the obligatory Lord of the Rings reference. Carry on.
Hint: it's not a domain name.
But their TLDs disturb me a little.
NITA: NO!! (slam)
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We're already seen this.
In the US, where political speech is mostly protected, this may be an argument for persevering our freedom of address-ing.
I wondered why my .teabagger got turned down.
You stupid americans need to come off the drug trip. Not everything any government could potentially theoretically may want to do is automatically evil, and putting control into the hands of one single, undemocratic, bureaucratic, unaccountable entity is not a proper solution.
And, quite frankly, the rest of the world has about had it with your attitude. If you don't want to be treated as assholes by the rest of us, stop fucking act like it.
And it is an asshole attitude to say "we don't trust your governments, so we want to keep control of a global system with ours."
If the same were reversed, if, say, by pure historic accident control over ICANN were with France, you would've spent the past 20 years screaming bloody murder.
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Sounds like it's time to implement a regime change in D.C.
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hopefully the government does not hold up my submission.
Yes We Can !
I want to register dev.null.
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
I object to the notion ICANN is a non-profit organization operating in the best interests of the Internet. They are mearly a front for domain registrars...back in the day when ICANN had people that really cared they activly resisted calls for opening the flood gates on TLDs.
The only thing TLDs sprawl is good for is raising registrar revenues and confusing the living hell out of end users and trademark holders alike.
In typical Slashdot fashion, the headline is very misleading. Only new top level domains (TLDs) would be affected by this. It's never been possible for just anyone to create a new TLD anyway. However, this veto power would be stupid. The original purposes of the existing TLDs have been mostly ignored, so they're generally meaningless. There does need to be a more open system rather than planners trying to determine what each TLD will be for up front.
Welcome to Communism! Where the government can take away your hard earned property just because they want to! Ask how wonderfully this general mechanism works for China...
Why do we have generic domain names at all? Wouldn't it be simpler to only have ccTLD's. We could then be spared all this so called "internet governance".
You could say that countries don't belong in the virtual world. But countries are mostly sociological stuctures created by humans. So they should have a place in the virtual world just as in the material world.
echo -n blabla | md5sum | cut -b 1-5
What's that World Government crap? Overthrow ICANN !!!!
Sounds like it's time to implement a regime change in D.C.
Oh for fucks sake, get a grip. You have no idea what is happening in Tunisia or Egypt. You are able to use a computer freely, and haven't been living under a dictatorship for the last three decades. You have access to clean water, electricity, roads, fuel and communication. You think anyone in Egypt gives a fuck about TLDs right now?
Let's just use numbers similar to phone numbers. Solves all problems regarding who has the right to a good domain -- they all suck.