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Motorola Adopting 3 Laws of Robotics For Android?

jfruhlinger writes "Android's popularity is growing, but its lack of enterprise security features is making IT departments pull their hair out. Two of the biggest Android vendors, Motorola and Samsung, aren't waiting for Google, but are building their own security functionality into the devices they sell. Motorola's version will be facilitated by their purchase of 3LM, an Android-centric mobile security provider that bases their strategy on Asimov's Three Laws or Robotics, though the order is tweaked: The device must protect the user, protect itself, and obey the user, in that order."

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  1. "building in security" by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Well, it was fun while it lasted. The 'peoples' phone: RIP. 2011

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    1. Re:"building in security" by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 'peoples' phone: RIP. 2011

      Yup. I though the same thing as soon as I saw "protect itself, and obey the user, in that order"; I'm assuming that rooting, tethering and other unauthorised usage are going to to feature on the list of things that the phone needs to 'protect itself' from. The fact that Motorola, the guys behind that whole 'eFuse' piece of crap, are involved pretty much seals the deal.

    2. Re:"building in security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Zeroth law - thou must protect the content, AKA: DRM

    3. Re:"building in security" by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would prefer that if I so ask it, the device will obey me even at my peril or its own.

      Sometimes human beings have to die, just a little, for something really spectacular to happen.

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    4. Re:"building in security" by morcego · · Score: 2

      As an IT security person, I applaud Motorola's initiative. As soon as I see it hitting the market, I will review and probably start recommending it to my customers.

      As the owner of a rooted Motorola Android phone, my next one will probably from a different brand.
      The main reason I rooted my phone was to use OpenVPN on it. Which is a security tool.

      I wonder if that level of irony can be unhealthy...

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    5. Re:"building in security" by Nialin · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Also, I'm killing the first person to name their device "Cutie".

    6. Re:"building in security" by Sam+Douglas · · Score: 2

      DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS!

  2. The three laws are intentionally wrong by davecb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... to allow for an interesting development of a series of stories that culminate in unexpected consequences. have a read, and then ask yourself what the bugs are in the restatement.

    Hint: the bug is now the highest priority.

    --dave

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  3. The Zeroth Law by Yeknomaguh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course, it won't be until much later that the zeroth law of phone security is discovered. That being: "The device may not harm the corporation, or, by inaction, allow the corporation to come to harm."

    1. Re:The Zeroth Law by Yeknomaguh · · Score: 2

      The Android in question, and indeed, all androids built with this directive would do everything in their power to prevent the corporation from liquidation. Failing at that, they would self destruct from the logical error that results.

  4. Wrong order. by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love my Android but, its no surprise that the maker would prioritize protection above obedience. I would change the order:
    1. Obey the authorized user (esp since he is normally the OWNER)
    2. Protect the authorized user.
    3. Protect itself.

    Different orders can be considered when they become self aware. Until then, its a tool damnit. My hammer doesn't try to protect me, nor would I want it to. A safety on a gun may "protect me" but, the device definitely obeys before protects, because all the user needs to do is turn off the safety, and all protection is gone.

    As the user/owner of a non-self aware device, it should obey me, even if my intention is to use it to destroy itself, or others.

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    1. Re:Wrong order. by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2

      As the user/owner of a non-self aware device, it should obey me, even if my intention is to use it to destroy itself, or others.

      The problem is that this is the situation we already have. Our machines obey us, even if we have been socially engineered to instruct our machines to perform tasks that are malicious. A zombie PC damages itself, its owner, other machines, and their owners.

      This application of the mythical "Three Laws" seems designed to protect us from ourselves.

      Now, this is going to annoy the living crap out of me, and I will definitely want to find a way to disable the directives. Especially that Fourth Directive. Oh, sorry, I keep thinking of John Murphy's Prime Directives:

      1. "Serve the public trust"
      2. "Protect the innocent"
      3. "Uphold the law"
      4. (Classified)

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    2. Re:Wrong order. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      I would change the order:
      1. Obey the authorized user (esp since he is normally the OWNER)
      2. Protect the authorized user.
      3. Protect itself.

      I would change it slightly differently:

        1. Obey the authorized user if, after (non-verbosely but with option of expanded explanation) warning him of issues with laws 2 or 3, he says he really means it.

        2. Protect the authorized user.

        3. Protect itself.

        4. Obey the authorized user.*

      *Only if said action occurs on a device without an active cellular network connection or with a cell network where the action does not potentially harm the network or any other users of the network.

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    3. Re:Wrong order. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Bullshit, this is FUD by the telecoms. You cannot do anything other than use normal cellular functions. Android does not even control the radio directly. Stop spreading this crap.

    4. Re:Wrong order. by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      That is fine as long as it is a WIFI only device but as soon as it uses the cellular network then you are now out in the public and you can potentially not only harm yourself but others and the network that you share.

      In modern phones, the relationship with the cellular network is controlled by a separate chip which the operating system interfaces through a standard, and limited protocol like with a modem. Thus, even if the user had full control of his device, he would not be able to tamper with cellular transmission.

  5. 3 laws o Robotics sounds like the 99^99 laws of US by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Protect the user,"Ok, you can't do drugs, avoid paying car insurance, speed in your car, or bring a diet pepsi on a plane"
    Protect itself: Self explanitory
    Obey the user except when the user wants to do something that can cause harm to the user.

  6. Stupid by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everybody remembers the famous 3 Laws of Robotics.

    Nobody seems to remember that the stories were about how they failed over and over due to unintended consequences and and loopholes, for example robots are able to break them if they don't know they're doing so.

    1. Re:Stupid by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      User: (tries to call his girl friend)
      Phone: I can't let you call this number. I'm designed to keep damage from you. My integrated medical devices noticed changes in your cardiovascular system when you call this number. Your pulse and blood pressure increase. High blood pressure is a well known risk factor for heart deceases and apoplectic stroke. I have to conclude that calling this number cannot be good for your health.

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  7. Waiting for Google by jmuzz · · Score: 2

    Isn't the whole idea with Google making it open source that manufacturers will contribute their own improvements to the main release? Or contribute cash for Google to allocate more programmers onto the features they would like? Instead they seem to be whining that Google isn't working on the free product they benefit from fast enough, then going off in their own direction creating proprietary code for themself which just messes up the whole open source idea.

  8. Re:Laws in wrong order on purpose? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have always followed a rule for programming or hardware chicanery:

    If it asks me to stop, I stop.

    So far, so good.

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  9. Re:Bias by Facegarden · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't get it: everyone bashed Apple when its iPhone lacked certain features (multitasking, cut and paste, enterprise security) but not one peep when Android or Windows Mobile lacks these very same features.

    What? Android *does* have excellent multitasking, as well as decent cut and paste. I'm not sure about enterprise security, but I think people have blasted Android for not having it, if it doesn't.

    What the fuck are you talking about?

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  10. Re:Users are morons. by Facegarden · · Score: 2

    This order sounds right.

    For those of us who know what we're doing, sure this is offensive.

    For those who decide that spending 99cents on Justin Bieber wall papers that also snoop on their private conversations, that's a different story.

    See, no vision, this is the problem in america. If you really want to snoop people's private conversation, you make the wallpaper free!

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  11. Re:3 laws o Robotics sounds like the 99^99 laws of by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    Obey the user except when the user wants to do something...

    Fixed that for you.

  12. Re:(oops) by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    Well, when speaking about Murphy, it's obvious that you have to make mistakes ... even if the Murphy you speak of isn't the one of Murphy's Law.

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  13. Actually by overkill1024 · · Score: 2

    It will be discovered that there is a secret fourth Directive which prevents the device from arresting any senior executive of Motorola Inc.

  14. Re:The fourth directive by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 2

    Watch more Robocop.

  15. Re:Bias by mlts · · Score: 2

    What is funny is that the Exchange security has been addressed by a solid Android app: Touchdown. This app encrypts all data, even files present on the SD card, supports remote wipe, enforces Exchange's permissions, and does what enterprises need for enforcing security.

    There is only one item missing from Android, and that is device encryption, and encrypting data (not just the .apk stuff) on the SD card.

    Google can easily address this -- LUKS or EncFS for the SD card, store the key in /etc, perms 066.

  16. Unfortunately, you are incorrect by Tanman · · Score: 2

    I hate to bust your bubble, but saying "1. Obey the authorized user (esp since he is normally the OWNER)" is wrong for security. This is about security.

    The fact of the matter is that social engineering is far simpler than hacking in almost all circumstances. And people are ***EXCEEDINGLY*** careless with their mobile phones. How many people don't have their PC, which sits in their locked house, remember forms data/passwords, but have a stupid app on their phone that shoots straight to all of their email accounts without so much as a password?

    Power users will be power users, but for generalized security laws, the user is their own worst enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably even more vulnerable. It's similar to the old adage: "a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client" -- if someone is so sure of themselves that they feel they are immune to social engineering methods for bypassing security, they are at even more risk.

  17. OCP by Master+Moose · · Score: 2

    Another fine product by Omni Consumer Products.

    I'd buy that for a dollar

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  18. Not so by artor3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The laws are not "intentionally wrong". In fact, as Asimov himself pointed out, the three laws are basically common sense for any tool. It should have safeguards to protect the user, it should accomplish what the user wants, and it should be durable. Most machinery has interlocks (first law), can be tinkered with (second law), and shouldn't smash itself to bits unless the user screws up (third law).

    In fact, the laws are so reasonable and obvious that they needed to be twisted into bizarre contortions (e.g. Runaround), flat out ignored (e.g. Little Lost Robot), or overridden with the Zeroeth Law , in order to achieve most of Asimov's best stories.

  19. New Security Paradigm by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate to bust your bubble, but saying "1. Obey the authorized user (esp since he is normally the OWNER)" is wrong for security. This is about security.

    Rather that the "you cannot do that" security paradigm how about trying a new one: "the easiest way to do something should be a secure way to do it"? The problem with the "you cannot do that" paradigm is that invariably you can actually do it with enough hacking, which is rarely secure, and once that happens the method to do it spreads because lots of people want it.

    1. Re:New Security Paradigm by julesh · · Score: 2

      Bingo. To take an example from physical security, if the door to my house refused to let me into the house if it believed I was likely to damage the house (which it might think I would if I were blind drunk), then when I go out, I'll leave the door propped open so it can't lock me out.

      A security tool that is too hard to use gets ignored. Tools that try to second-guess their users are hard to use.