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Data Retention Should Last One Year, US Gov't Tells Australia
mask.of.sanity writes "The United States and Australia will enter bilateral talks in an attempt to unify controversial policies that would force internet providers to retain logs on the online habits of citizens. The US has urged Australia to take a moderate approach as it drafts its legislation and said it should not keep logs for longer than a year. Some EU nations keep the logs for as long as five years, although European nations disagree over the need for the plan." And of course, that's also how long we should keep recordings of everyone's phone calls, and copies of their (opened) mail, too.
I am an Australian citizen, and the government should not retain any online data about me. If they don't like that then they can go jump off a cliff. I will not be voting for any political party that supports data retention in the next election.
On Techdirt. It's a censorship and surveillance map. Notice how Australia already shares the dubious distinction of spying on their Citizens with Russia? Of course we're spied on here to but not to the same degree.
Shh.
How about if the US just stops telling everyone else what to do?
That is the weak point that allows governments to set-up their recorders and track everything the citizens do. We need to find a way to communicate directly with one another.
Either that or an amendment by the Member States to the Union constitution that mandates ISPs, telcos, banks, etc have the same protection as private homes (i.e. require a judge-issued warrant to search a citizen's account).
Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
Sure thing, but only after the same is applied to politicians (no immunity allowed) and companies of all sorts, public and private, specially offshore banks. Also recording talks inside government buildings should be mandated, a good Nixon like scandal would be "nice". Maybe then good things that actually benefit the poor and middle working class can happen.
...are apparently thrown out the window when the magic word "Internet" starts getting used.
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...and let me tell you, one-year retention is EXPENSIVE. It kinda makes me laugh at the politicians who demand things like this, while they have no idea what such a system entails. Maybe the Australian gov't was planning on financing the tape libraries required to hold the PBs of logs generated every month by Australian citizens?
If this is the case, then the US Government should be allowed to keep files on us for one year, but no longer. Quid Pro Quo.
Or Sheila. When CSI: Perth shows up in your bar, and asks, "The USA wants to know, if there is anyone here named, 'Bruce or Sheila?", just look away and quaff down your Foster's.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Skippy, STOP and the USofA won't mandate your keepers to store said data. And Fosters ain't beuh. It's soggy shit in water than comes in recycled oil cans. God got you once already this year. Don't make him come back.
force internet providers to retain logs on the online habits of citizens
And of course, that's also how long we should keep recordings of everyone's phone calls, and copies of their (opened) mail, too.
Right, because logs show what was *inside* all the traffic. Not.
(Almost all telcos retain CDRs, the telephonic equivalent of "logs on the online habits of citizens" for at least 3 years, surely all courier companies and most postal services keep records of items mailed for at least a year)
How about.. _never_ retaining personal data unless it's been approved by a court order, much like it _used to be_ for wire taps and surveillance? This is just wrong.
In Germany, for example, a lawsuit against the one year data retention was successful and the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Germany's highest court which does only hear constitutional cases) nullified the law that required ISPs to store data for one year. In the conservative/neocon government there is currently a dispute about reintroducing it in a way that will survive a similar lawsuit.
What ISPs still may do in Germany is store data for up to seven days for technical reasons, or as long as necessary for billing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the US government pressing its ISPs to retain data for /2 years/ a week or so ago?
And now it's telling another country not to do it for more than one?
Geez, the hypocrisy just doesn't have an off switch in our government.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
I'm concerned about the actions of my government.
No data should be retained or available unless a valid warrant was in place prior to the retention. Data that is retained for system needs or the customer's benefit (backups or redundant copies) is different, but probably wouldn't be over 30 days worth.
Sorry, I believe the government isn't always protecting us. I worked as a low level federal government contractor for 7 yrs. It is easily to loose track of what you are doing to millions of unrelated people for a tiny, specific claimed issue. Claiming that preventing "child pornography" is the reason isn't enough to hold private data on 200,000,000 people, IMHO. 99.9999% of the real use of that data has nothing to do with pornography.
The only "child pornography" that I've ever seen was a 3 yr old pissing in the middle of the street in a foreign country as the parents and grandparents laughed a few yrs ago or old family photos of me and my 5 siblings in the bathtub together. Every family holiday, my older siblings talk about how I pissed on them while they changed my diapers. It has been over 45 yrs since that happened, yet I still hear about it annually.
At least the USA government only wants 1 yr of data retained.
How long do you keep your tin foil beanies?
In the UK we wouldn't even wash our cars in Fosters.
Would that be the the year of Andorea Plumanix 1, which revolves around its sun in about 2.72 Earth hours, or Glaxima Prime, which revolves around its sun in about 3.14 Earth hours?
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They only have data on you if you let them. If you VPN through an endpoint in another country, all they have on you is ciphertext. I've been working on an encrypted VPN service to allow people to choose which country their internet traffic routes through. Doing this protects your privacy and also prevents you from being locked out of some web sites based on IP address. Yeah, this is a shameless plug, but it is also very relevant: Bouncee VPN service
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It's very police-state-ish and has no business in a free society, but long-term data collection like this does aid the police.
Say the police get wind of a conspiracy several months after it started. With this data they can go back and piece together the earlier acts and find actors who are for the moment "sleeping" much easier.
This also works for non-conspiratorial crimes where the criminal is committing many ongoing crimes. For example, if a cop catches a pimp and his standard "modus operandi" is to check for posts on his log-in-required web site, he would normally be up a creek if his web server was strongly encrypted or if he got wind of the arrest and destroyed the drive.
However, if the police have a year's worth of data to see who accessed the web site and the cops' tech team can discern a pattern that clearly distinguishes actual customers from bots and transient visitors, they'll probably want to investigate the presumptive customers a bit more closely. I'm presuming for this hypothetical example that we are in a police state where warrants are either unnecessary or are mere formalities rather than an actual check on police powers.
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Does it mean http://www.opennicproject.org/publictier2servers is no longer reliable?
Govt must constitute a panel to rewrite US Constitution and Quran
After 9/11, we all were willing to give up some freedoms and protections in the interest of protecting the country. It has been 10 years and its time to get back to 'normal' before the current state of affairs becomes the new 'normal'. Hosni Mubarak declared a state of emergency in his country 30 years ago and let it become the norm, making the suspension of individual rights and protections the new norm. It took 30 years for the people of Egypt to say 'enough is enough'. It is time to remind our leaders of who hired them and who can fire them. This is a principle that transcends political borders and cultures. Government against the mandate of the people will not stand. Ask the Soviets all about it.