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Why Do Videogames Struggle With Sex?

brumgrunt writes "Why do videogames still treat sex in such a two dimensional way? Why do they snigger at it, or treat it as a reward? Den Of Geek has been taking a look." I always figured it was some combination of games being made by our inner adolescent, marketed to the outer ones, and getting banned whenever they take sex seriously.

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  1. Not just with video games, but in general by devxo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In videogames, even ones that handle the subject deftly, sex is almost always a reward. Take the Mass Effect series, for example. Here, you can indulge in interspecies sexual relations, if you see fit, but to get to the point where a character is willing to bump uglies with you, you have to have followed the correct series of dialogue prompts. There's a veneer of freedom, but the relationship you're creating with the character you want to sleep with is a shallow one. Fail to perform one action, or choose incorrectly on one dialogue tree, and they'll lose interest in you. Sex becomes an achievement, a notch on the bedpost of your high score table, instead of being the physical expression of an emotional connection between two consenting individuals.

    Not just with video games, but in general Well, it looks like the author thinks sex must only be some kind of expression of true love. What he is writing here is directly what happens in real life - you choose your words or actions badly and even one bad choice ends up to you not having sex with the girl. This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it. Sure it might be shallow relationship, but so what, sex is fun, feels good and there really isn't any reason not to enjoy it.

    I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing. When you ask about it from someone who believes in god, the only responses usually are something like "because god said so", "that's just how it is" or "it's a special thing between a man and a woman". No actual answer. Sure, sex feels great with a person you love. But so does many other things, and you can also just have sex that feels physically great with no bigger emotions. It's nice to be close to someone, feel their skin and feel how you're inside them. Be it with love or not.

    1. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 3, Informative

      This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it. Sure it might be shallow relationship, but so what, sex is fun, feels good and there really isn't any reason not to enjoy it.

      I assure you, there's no shortage of casual and shallow sex here in the US.

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    2. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More like its difficult to portray sex as being at all interesting in a video game. Violence has blood and gore and explosions, and explosions of violence and gore. Not to mention laser beams, occasionally attached to sharks or giant robots.

      Sex is at least two naked people getting it on. Watching it for a short time can be pretty compelling, but you're not likely to get very much good game play out of it.

      Consider sex in movies. They all seem to have it to a certain degree, but honestly, if you give the sex anything more than a few scenes, the movie tends to turn into crap.

    3. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What he is writing here is directly what happens in real life - you choose your words or actions badly and even one bad choice ends up to you not having sex with the girl.

      If I walked up to a guy and said "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" -- there's a chance he'll say yes, despite this being one of the worst ways to go about it. As to actions, many hollywood movies have been made (How to lose a guy in 7 days, anyone?) about how sometimes doing everything wrong still leads to the desired outcome. The truth is... Sex happens because we have hormones and chemicals and stuff in our brains (and *cough* elsewhere) and sometimes they're the ones doing the talking -- and what comes out of our mouth is totally irrelevant. As to love or no love, emotional attachment or not... Being that you're not a woman, you don't have some extra chemicals besides the ones I mentioned above working against you. It's near impossible for a woman past a certain age to have sex and not develop an emotional attachment. Ever wonder why we want to cuddle or be clingy after sex (or octopus you during climax?) -- BRAIN CHEMICALS! Believe me, if we could shut it off, or take a pill to let us have no strings attached sex like guys, the world would be a far sluttier place. I'm totally serious about this... don't laugh.

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    4. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by morari · · Score: 2

      I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing.

      Control. Why else?

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    5. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by clorkster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      God intended marriage to emulate the relationship between Jesus Christ and the church. A sacrificial love where one holds the other higher than themselves. It is difficult to even scratch the surface of the image of Christ if intimacy, trust, and selflessness are not a priority. I think a lot of the conversation about marriage is fundamentally flawed between religious conservatives and those who would see equality amongst all who explore the realms of love. Christian marriage is fundamentally based upon a vow before God to be selfless and seek to know His Son more every day of your life through selflessly loving another. Legal marriage is not Christ-centered in any way (all questions of gender aside), so it's sort of hard to speak about two different things with the same word and expect much progress. Being one, I blame Christians for this break down in dialog.

      It's nice to be close to someone, feel their skin and feel how you're inside them. Be it with love or not.

      Agreed. It is. However it's beautiful to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that someone loves you.

    6. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by killmenow · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't believe you. Mostly because you purport to be a female on slashdot.

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    7. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Straterra · · Score: 2

      No, only one in training.

    8. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by dorre · · Score: 2

      Dont know why you are modded down but yes. I kind of agree. It is an important part of mind control. If you control your followers sex life, you can also control them.

      This however only a part of the answer. I think before condoms sex should certainly be mostly between two lovers. A lot of random unprotected sex leads to a lot random sex diseases and relatively unwanted children. I would think.

      I think the sex-regulation by religions might also have a third reason. Jealous males killing their neighbors. No seriously. Some people have always been killed because they had sex with someone they shouldnt have.
      Whether you like it or not, religions have usually striven to lessen the impact of random violence in society. At least the founders of the religions have usually been quite against violence. It is usually the followers that are the problem ;)

    9. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously? You mean like all the right-wing congressmen who were cheating on their wives? Usually with congressional pages or guys in the restroom.

    10. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it.

      I also admire how you Europeans have mastered that whole arrogance thing.

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    11. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

      I'll give you 10:1 odds that he's french or italian.

      Go go stereoypes.

    12. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by BrianRoach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I walked up to a guy and said "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" -- there's a chance he'll say yes, despite this being one of the worst ways to go about it.

      If you're even remotely attractive (Lets say, shy of disfigured), I'd say there's a very good chance. If the gender roles are reversed, there's a very good chance of getting slapped. I don't know if that's societal or biological, but I suspect it's societal.

      Women decide when/if sex happens. Us men have to figure out what conditions have to be met in order for that to occur. The video game treatment, while simplified greatly, works along the same lines.

    13. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing.

      Historically, sex out of wedlock HAS been a very bad thing. Venereal diseases, unwanted pregnancies, death and sickness (really....the list of famous people who died of venereal disease at a young age is surprisingly long). Of course that's not really a problem anymore, but that's only been true for the last 60 years or so. For the thousands of years before that, religion was right on in their recommendations. Religion moves slowly to deal with new developments, especially on relatively minor issues (seriously....pick up any holy book and count the number of paragraphs talking about sex. It's a small proportion. Usually significantly less than 1%).

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    14. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by BancBoy · · Score: 2

      This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it.

      I also admire how you Europeans have mastered that whole arrogance thing.

      As an American, I can assure you that we are closing the arrogance gap as fast as we possibly can manage!

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    15. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... can't sex have blood and explosions too???

      Or am I doing it wrong?

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    16. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I assure you, there's no shortage of casual and shallow sex here in the US.

      The anecdotal evidence on that is conflicting. I have had a very difficult time finding a supply of casual and shallow sex here in the US, whereas my wife doesn't seem to have any problem coming by it...

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    17. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Oxytocin (the "bonding hormone") is produced by both men and women during sex. Contrary to popular belief, guys get attached to the person they're fucking too.

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    18. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2

      You missed an important corollary to controlling people's sex life, which is that failing to control it can still be effective so long as they feel guilty about it. But really, control of sex is a fundamental requirement of patriarchy whether in a religious context or not. Status amongst males is heavily controlled by a woman's choice of mate. Don't think so? If a king has to watch the girl(s) he fancies preferring to go have sex with some handsome young baron, then his status over that baron is greatly diminished. And you can translate that to pretty much any scenario. A woman's sexual freedom is the great obliterator of male status. So if you (as a male) want to put control of social status in your own hands, you're almost obliged to curtail female sexual freedom.

      I reckon the neo-pagans have a nice idea with their one-year or seven-year handfasting. Less of the eternal binding of marriage, but without the lack of protection or commitment of purely casual sex. And if at the end of that time people want to renew, then that's fine too. But it removes the expectation that they must.

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    19. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slashdot's own marketing data which they pass on to potential advertisers, says that around a third of the membership of Slashdot is female, if iirc. Can we please just let the lonely teenager in the basement stereotype die at last? Most /. are doing well financially and are above their mid-twenties and probably partnered.

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    20. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2

      If you're even remotely attractive (Lets say, shy of disfigured), I'd say there's a very good chance. If the gender roles are reversed, there's a very good chance of getting slapped. I don't know if that's societal or biological, but I suspect it's societal.

      There's a biological basis. A woman is seldom physically intimidating / threatening a male who she is sexually propositioning. The opposite is very often the case. Consider that men are predominently larger and stronger than women. Consider also that a man can't easliy be forced to have sexual intercourse against his will by a woman because he wont get hard if he isn't turned on. But a woman can be forced.

      A stranger coming up to you and saying they "want to fuck you" is quite different when it is someone smaller than you who requires your cooperation, rather than someone larger and more powerful, who doesn't.

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    21. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're not very observant are ye? I mentioned oxytocin by name in my original post. I'm already thoroughly familiar (at a layperson's level) with what you're talking about. If you want to pretend, contrary to evidence, that emotional bonding is some simple static procedure akin to "push oxytocin button receive love", that's your prerogative. Just make sure that when a stack of books falls on you about the psychological dimensions of emotional attachment and sexuality you close your eyes lest some of that non-deterministic knowledge poison your lopsided, exclusionary viewpoint.

      Humans are much more than their physical contents, and I say that without any allusion to superstitious nonsense like 'souls' or what-have-you. If you cannot account for the social constructions and archetypes that both create and reflect the shared experiences between people, you will never be able to understand the broader motivations individuals have emotionally, with regard to sex or anything else.

      What happens in a human brain physically may be reducible to a "simple" electro-chemical interaction, but that does not resolve at a stroke what each iteration means in concert over time.

      To return to the subject, go talk to somebody who routinely has sex for money. Barring that, read some autobiographical work of somebody like that. You'll find your "sex leads AUTOMATICALLY to emotional attachment" theory sorely tested by those realities. Hormones only go so far in adjusting conscious experiences. That's why I spoke of self-fulfilling prophecies and placebo effects. If you already have a developing or latent emotional attachment, an oxytocin release will probably increase it significantly. If you already view a person negatively, either individually or as a class, an oxytocin release is probably not enough to change that already surfaced conscious position. When a person has a concrete idea, some vague, hormone-driven feeling is generally not enough to immediately reverse it.

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    22. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I walked up to a guy and said "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" -- there's a chance he'll say yes, despite this being one of the worst ways to go about it

      Were somebody to try that on me, I'd start looking for the first convenient excuse to get away as quickly as possible, or just plain run like hell.

      That's because I'd start wondering, why would somebody do that?

      One reason I can imagine is "look at me, I'm shameless enough to go and ask that to a random guy", which is done for the sake of amusing or impressing somebody else, and so almost certainly not a serious offer.

      The other is that the one asking is crazy, high or drunk. Which very likely leads to problems later, because that would be statutory rape.

      A much less likely one is some kind of drama, like "I'm angry at my boyfriend, so I'm going to screw with the first guy I come across". I highly suspect that this is inexistent in reality and only exists in bad movies.

      Either way I can't imagine a single reason for asking such a question that wouldn't lead to complications later. And IMO, if you ever ask it and somebody replies affirmatively, run like hell, because you just found somebody without the slightest bit of common sense.

    23. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      Lighten up. It's a caricature used for comic effect. It's funny precisely because the stereotype is not (or no longer) true for most of us.

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    24. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about arrogance, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it.

    25. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by LordNacho · · Score: 2

      Women decide when/if sex happens. Us men have to figure out what conditions have to be met in order for that to occur.

      Eh, not so sure about this one. I used to think so, back before I got to know women, but now I think it's just a con. Especially if you're in a relationship, as a guy you're offered more than you can do with (you think you can do it every 15 mins for the whole day when you're 18. You can't by the time you're 30).

      And why would this be? Well, for one, once you've gotten with a girl, all the mentioned hormones and that kick in. You somehow become the only good supplier of a rather intoxicating drug.

      Another reason is my own pseudo-scientific musing on evolution. Getting pregnant, back in the Savannah, was a pretty dangerous condition. (Actually, even now, in unfortunate places.) So why on earth would a woman want to do it? Well, even then the biological drive means you have to do it with someone, so there had to be a base level of horniness. Now, the environment is more conducive to safe birth/childrearing, so womens' hornometers are off the scale. Combine it recent inventions such as the pill, and living away from your family, and it means women get laid more. And guys as well.

      One thing to bear in mind as a though is that people have more choice. We're not living in a place with 4 people/sq Km anymore. That leaves a lot of people wanking, and a group who are doing it like rabbits.

    26. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      Because when you can control a persons sex-life, You can control them.

      This has long been known, and exploited by more groups than I can name, both ancient and modern.

      - Dan.

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    27. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by squidflakes · · Score: 4, Funny

      (or octopus you during climax?)

      My god, is this something I can request? I, personally, would LOVE to be octopused during climax. Do... do I get to specify the species, or is that something that comes up during dating? Would I come off as shallow if I told a girl about my favorite species and asked if she could provide it? Should I just accept that while I may want to be Giant Pacific Octopused (E. dofleini) during climax, the girl I'm with may only have, or be able to, Red Octopus (O. Reubescens) me; or god forbid Blue Ringed Octopus (H. lunulata) me.

      What if I meet a girl that likes to cuttlefish?

    28. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by scot4875 · · Score: 2

      The right wingers are typically the ones who run on a platform of "moral superiority." They'd damn well better hold themselves to a higher standard.

      Funny thing is, they don't, and their voting base doesn't seem to notice.

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    29. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Chelloveck · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was in the grocery store checkout lane last night, and I saw a Cosmo with the headline, "50 WAYS TO SEDUCE A MAN". Look, ladies, if you get past the second one, he's just not interested.

      "Would you like to—"
      "Yes!"

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    30. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 2

      Most notably, women... :oD

    31. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by dmbasso · · Score: 2

      Sex is perfectly possible while (mostly) clothed.

      Possible, but not as much enjoyable. Maximizing skin contact increases the pleasure.

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    32. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by NoSig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Rape is not a common thing and is a non-issue for normal, balanced people of both sexes. Men are much, much more at risk in the nightlife than women are - from other men. Physical risk of being coerced has just got nothing to do with why women have different wishes on sex. If you are honest you'll realize that woman-on-man violence is much more common than the other way around. One main effect that is actually real is that almost all men desire young women physically while women want same-age partners. This means that young women experience tremendous demand from men so they can afford to be very picky. This gives them excellent training for playing games on men without investing any real effort so that they are skilled at forcing situations of them being in control even when they get older and are not as much in demand.

    33. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by mewshi_nya · · Score: 2

      And, don't forget the whole patriarchy of the Bible. The whole Bible portrays women as property and temptresses. If you "humble" a woman by raping her, she is forced to marry you (presumably because no other man would want a woman who isn't a virgin); if a woman has sex with someone other than her husband, he can get a divorce (but not the other way around). Women were commonly bought and sold as wives/servants (at roughly half the price of a man, at that). Women are usually blamed for the "fall of man". God outright says "Kill all the men, and rape the women as you see fit."

      The Bible's admonitions of sex outside of marriage have nothing to do with trying to keep men pure -- in fact, it is rarely mentioned as to whether a male in the Bible is a virgin or not, as the society didn't really care if a man slept with 40 women before he got married (a double standard which endures even to today, as a women who sleeps with even one man before her wedding is often called a slut or a harlot or what-have-you, while a man who sleeps with dozens of women is revered). The prohibition of sex has everything to do with keeping a man's "future property" clean and virginal. That's all it really is.

      Also, I think my post goes hand-in-hand with its sibling post.

    34. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by xaxa · · Score: 2

      A much less likely one is some kind of drama, like "I'm angry at my boyfriend, so I'm going to screw with the first guy I come across". I highly suspect that this is inexistent in reality and only exists in bad movies.

      The question was asked to me. I'd gone to a nightclub (Electric Ballroom, Camden, London) with some old friends. To compensate for the music I wasn't enjoying I drank more than usual. (At some point all but one of the friends left without me, probably because I'd wandered off to a different room.)

      I was pretty drunk, standing at the side of the dancefloor, and a girl wandered up to me and said something like "you're hot, kiss me", so I did. She then wanted to go to the bar, and got me to buy her a drink. We returned to the dancefloor for about two minutes before she wanted another drink. I hesitated; she ran off to some other guy, then went to the bar and bought back two beers while I waited for my brain to catch up. She gave one beer to me, and downed the other herself. I then realised something funny was going on. She ran off again after a few minutes, and I noticed the remaining friend and went over to him. After about 10 minutes we decided to leave.

      I asked for a glass of tap water and drank it. Then the girl appears at my side and grabs my arm, accompanied by two bouncers. She's clearly even more drunk than before. The bouncers are trying to talk to me, but it's too loud to hear. I gesture, and everyone follows me to the entrance hallway (which is quiet). A bouncer explains that the girl hit a barman who refused to serve her and that they want her to leave, and that she's banned. I say I don't even know her name. They ask to see her ID, she hands over a passport. She's still tightly holding my arm. The passport picture clearly isn't hers, and that plus the better light of the hallway makes me realise she's probably 16, possibly younger. Someone takes the passport into the office to photocopy/scan it. This infuriates the girl, who shouts at the nearest bouncer. The girl tries to hit the bouncer, but can't as I hold her back. The bouncer pushes the girl hard against the wall. I'm dragged into the wall since I'm still in her grip. I shout out, and another bouncer comes over. She pulls away the first bouncer, then shoves the girl herself. I fall over into a corner, the girl is still holding onto me, so she falls onto me. The rugby-player-sized bouncer pins the girl against the wall by her neck while the other screams in her face. Their manager appears, and they both stand up and step away. (I weigh 55kg, the girl was a head-height shorter than me, and stick-thin.)

      I say I'll leave with the girl (I no longer trust the staff, and I don't think she should leave alone). The passport is returned, someone fetches my coat, and I leave. Once outside the girl tries to run in front of a bus, but I grab her. I try and get to my phone to call the police (concerned for her safety and lacking any other ideas of what to do), but I can't reach the pocket while she's pulling. I continue to restrain her, hoping she'll calm down. Eventually she becomes coherent and says she wants to go home, and would I take her to the station. I explain that there aren't any trains at 3:45 on Sunday morning, but I'll find the bus or call a taxi. She's tells me where she lives, she's travelled about 100 miles to get here. She asks me to call various people on her phone, including her "boyfriend" who is apparently in the club, but no one answers.

      A passer-by stops and says "'Anne'? What the fuck are you doing in London?". A friend! Thank fuck. The friend is on her way home, and says 'Anne' can stay at her place. 'Anne' tells the friend to fuck off. She fucks off. Damn. Thankfully, she appears five minutes later with a taxi, and they leave. My friend appears, and we leave.

      I wrote to owner of the nightclub the next day, and sent a copy of the letter to the police. The police just kept a record, presumably the girl didn't complain as they never contacted me. She was u

    35. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by mewshi_nya · · Score: 2

      Those are purely modern problems; women with illegitimate children, in Bible times, were pretty much expected to live in poverty for their "sins".

      If it was really about preventing diseases or a plethora of pregnancies, infidelity perpetrated by a husband would have been grounds for divorce. As it was, only infidelity by the wife was proper grounds.

      The prohibition of sex is more about keeping a man's "property" clean, pure, and virginal, rather than any altruistic societal ideals. If it was about actually preventing unwanted children and disease, rape victims would not have been forced by decree to marry their attacker, men would have been stoned to death for not being virgins on their wedding nights (which was expected for a woman who wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), et cetera.

    36. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      Yeah. Like maybe two bottles of beer.

    37. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by Schadrach · · Score: 2

      Hey look, we might have an actual example of someone being effected by the evil pornographic content in Bulletstorm leading to increased risk of sexual violence! =p

    38. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by mdielmann · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what do you do when there's no obvious connection between a certain act and it's consequence? How would you explain to someone about covering your mouth when you sneeze if you couldn't explain microbes and the germ theory? The common one is, "It's gross," which is a societal conformity response, much like what religions use to promote their edicts ("You'll go to hell!").

      It's been known for a very long time that St. John's Wort has anti-depressant properties, rivaling modern pharmaceuticals. I guess they were fools to believe it too, since they had little means to determine why.

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    39. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by squidflakes · · Score: 2

      Believe it or not, fear will also cause an erection.

    40. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by GauteL · · Score: 2

      "Of course that's not really a problem anymore"

      In an otherwise good argument, I think you forgot a few continents when making this statement. But don't let me derail you by "well, actually"-ing you. In nature, casual sex is a mixed blessing. For a man, in good times it is the best way of increasing your chances of having surviving offspring, something which is less relevant in bad times when single mothers and their child are unlikely to survive. For women, having to carry the child for 9 months and being left with it afterwards, this is clearly not such a good deal. So "unwanted pregnancies" has often been more of a problem for the woman than the man. For both, I fully agree with you on the threat of VDs, which is still a massive issue across the world, even in the West.

      However, it is a fair while since the best way of stopping VDs was to tell people to abstain. That was never all that successful anyway.

    41. Re:Not just with video games, but in general by operagost · · Score: 2

      Red herring. Both sex and violence are big deals, and no one said otherwise. Do try to make logical arguments. Oh yeah, we're on slashdot.

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  2. Fantasy Escapism by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always figured that videogames treat sex two dimensionally because much of video games cater to fantasy escapism as its main draw. It's really no different from any other fantasy escapism outlet. If you look at high fantasy books of the last couple of decades, you'll see the exact same amount of treatment of sex and impossibly proportioned women. Same thing with comic books. On the women's side, it's no different from romance novels (with the impossibly built shirtless men on the covers), soap operas (although to a lesser degree) and all sorts of other similar stuff. They appeal to the idea in us of the quick cathartic thrill that we can fantasize ourselves into, and very few people fantasize about marriage, children and getting a mortgage.

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  3. Because...gamedevlopers, by Silpher · · Score: 2

    Do not want you to know there's this much better game in town :p

  4. because they're video GAMES by pezpunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's not like video games treat murder or money or physics or politics with reverence, respect, or precision either. why should a game be expected to treat sex as somehow immune from gamification? if it's included, it *should* be simplified in function and integrated into the gaming framework, just like every other complex human thing that gets reduced to either a goal, task, tool, or reward in a game.

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    1. Re:because they're video GAMES by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      "I just had one of my hos beaten and robbed and was really offended by how immaturely Grand Theft Auto treats this traumatic event..."

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  5. Easy by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because any game that treats sex "properly" is going to end up with an AO rating in the US because of the absurd level of puritanical outrage about boobies, which means Walmart and the like won't stock it, so it won't sell as many copies and most publishers won't want to touch it.

    Personally, I'd welcome deeper relationship modelling in games, especially RPGs, but I know it's unlikely to happen as long as people are so scared of AO ratings and their impact on US sales. A simple solution is to stick it on the PC, slap an 18 rating on it and sell it primarily in the UK/Europe; job done.

  6. Escapist wondered about this was well... by mariushm · · Score: 2

    ... and created this nice presentation that's worth watching : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2505-Sex-in-Games

  7. Here's my take by Haedrian · · Score: 2

    Society is too 'particular' about sex. The GTA hot coffee mod is a perfect example. How dare they put sex into that game! I want to shoot prostitutes, hijack cars, murder policeman and whack civilians with a baseball bat. For some reason even the largest amount of violence is less likely to cause controversy than a sex scene.

    Now, a game usually has something which makes it fun, the main part of the game. That part is treated with the most 'respect' in a way. If its a FPS its about saving the world through shooting people or whatever. If its a city simulator then its about economics or whatever. I mean you don't hear complaints about how Mass Effect doesn't simulate a space economy well enough - because that's not the main point of the game, its a sub thing.

    If you wanted a game that was all about sex, I'm sure they exist, but they'd be 'adult' games, or so heavily rated 18+ that nobody can really get to them easily (see Paragraph 1). And even then, do you think there is enough of an audience who wants to play a game who's main gameplay involves having a realistic relationship with someone? Nope.

  8. Because with current tech its laughable by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Until photo realistic graphics and realistic movement comes of age not to mention other forms of user "input" then sex in a videogame will remain funny rather than erotic.

  9. Re:Sex is a reward by lisaparratt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Orgasm's the reward - offspring are the dirty trick.

  10. The wait is almost over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Balance will be restored to Sex and Video Games with the upcoming release of Duke Nukem Forever.

  11. Why does anybody "struggle" with sex? by countertrolling · · Score: 2

    Because your cultural/religious repressions are making you all crazy. What makes you think that sexual deprivation is any less harmful than sleep or sensory deprivation? You should learn to let the kids play with themselves if you don't want to raise a psychopath.

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  12. I can think of a few reasons... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just technologically, sex is arguably pretty tricky. You can do plain porn easily enough(especially if you just use stills and video shot with real people); but simulating complex character interactions or in-engine naked-bodies-and-fluids without falling into the horrors of the uncanny valley is quite difficult. Thus, games tend either to ignore the subject, or just toss in some pin-ups at reward points.

    Then, of course, you have the US market's rather curious stance toward sex vs. violence. Violence may well get you rated M; but M is hardly the kiss of death. Sex will probably get you AO, which is.(Even if the selling point of the violence is realistic depictions of human suffering and death, and the game is all about tasteful loving relationships or something; but so it goes...) Even as the market of adult videogamers expands, you still can't get a mass-market game out the door if it won't be at least tacitly accepted by the households of millions of 14 year olds(because who else is going to scream "FAGGOT HACKER!!@!!" into the microphone all night on XBL?)

    Finally, there is the matter of competition and competitive advantage: For things like violence and empire building, most people either have no options, or only options that are actually pretty costly, and thus not competitors as entertainment(Well, let's see... I could download America's Army or I could join America's Army...). There is some competition from film; but that is about it. For things like sex, a decent percentage of gamers old enough to be interested in a serious in-game depiction are substantially more interested in real life. Failing that(because of technological limitations, as described above) the conventional pornography industry is arguably pretty superior to the video game industry in terms of efficiently titillating depictions, and the film and novel industries are substantially ahead if you want deep characters and romance and things.

  13. Re:Age Assumptions by lgw · · Score: 2

    No "kenshin", games comics and animation are seen as childish in Japan too, perhaps even more so. They're just practical about the market for adults doing childish things, and not so repressed about sex as to panic about children being exposed to risque content. But "mature" adults don't do anything "for fun" - you might admit to having a hobby, but only because there's a safe pretense that a hobby can be for self-improvement.

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  14. Re:Sex is a reward by SilentStaid · · Score: 2

    That's illegal in most states.

  15. Heh... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 4, Funny

    From what I've seen on my friend's PC, this is another article that needs the tag "except in Japan".

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  16. Don't forget about gender roles by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 2

    Take a look at the Mass Effect games. The first one wasn't a very big project compared to the second one. ME2 was an immensely hyped sequel due to the surprise popularity of the first one. They both had sexual aspects, but the second was definitely much more of a teenage-boy-pleasing game. The three female squad members in ME1 wear armor on combat missions. Makes sense considering they're usually getting shot at, dodging bone-breaking biotics, and possibly performing EVA in a vacuum. Mass Effect 2, however, has the majority of the female characters prancing around in either skin-tight body suits, epic v-necks, or next to nothing. Yeah I had a good laugh when you're wearing full armor complete with oxygen helmet and Miranda's out of proportion body is still squeezing into that flimsy spandex with a little rebreather mask. I mean come on, you could at least be a little discrete with the fan-service. My point is I find it unfortunate that such a popular game and sequel to a great game could be so misogynist. It really degraded my game experience.

  17. Because they're video games? by Livius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, when does a video game deal with *any* topic other than in a superficial way? What part of 'game' is confusing people?