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Kidney Printer

smitty777 writes "Dr. Anthony Atala of the Wake Forest Institute of Regenerative Medicine demonstrated his technique for printing a new kidney. The early stage technology involves scanning the patient's current organ, and actually printing the organ directly into the patient. He refutes reported claims that it's just a kidney shaped mold, as reported by some. While still in the early stages, it does hold promise that we will be able to use this technology for actual transplants in the future."

147 comments

  1. Awesome by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

    HP's ink cartridges cost a kidney, new printer can actually print kidneys.

    The circle of life is complete.

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    1. Re:Awesome by gilleain · · Score: 2

      HP's ink cartridges cost a kidney, new printer can actually print kidneys.

      The circle of life is complete.

      Sadly, 90% through printing of the new kidney, the "replace cartridge" light will start blinking - the house always wins...

    2. Re:Awesome by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      I'd hate to be the first person to use a new machine, I hear that the cartridge that comes with the machine only makes it to about 50%.

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    3. Re:Awesome by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Take it out and shake it.

    4. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it only makes it to 50% of ideal (two complete, 100% functional kidneys), that's still one complete, 100% functional kidney. Which is more than enough to sustain normal life.

    5. Re:Awesome by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      HP's ink cartridges cost a kidney, new printer can actually print kidneys.

      The circle of life is complete.

      Sadly, 90% through printing of the new kidney, the "replace cartridge" light will start blinking - the house always wins...

      That's OK. You have enough ink to print 5 more full kidneys before you really run out of ink.

    6. Re:Awesome by operagost · · Score: 1

      No, that's a toner cartridge you're thinking of. Or maybe an NES cartridge... I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure you don't want to open your laser printer and blow on it. I have the sooty complexion to prove it.

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    7. Re:Awesome by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, shaking the cartridge won't work. They've got a chip as part of the cartridge making sure you can only print so much ink through the cartridge before it's "empty"...

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    8. Re:Awesome by fractoid · · Score: 1

      No, the NES cartridge you have to take out and blow on the contacts.

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    9. Re:Awesome by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Try convincing the stupid anti-refill chip of that... you'll have to solder some wires onto the kidney machine and plug in a PIC chip. :P

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  2. Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by vawwyakr · · Score: 0

    That's where they get you! $30 for a printhead with some "genuine HP kidney cells" inside.

    1. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you rather printheads were still separate from ink cartridges and that every time it got clogged you had to get a new printer or send it in for service?

    2. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      In my experience, print heads clog more often than I run out of ink. Therefore, neither of those methods is good. The right solution is to make printers that flush out their own heads with an appropriate solvent (e.g. an isopropanol tank) every time you shut them down so that the heads don't get dried ink inside them in the first place. Moving the print head to the ink tank is just shifting the problem around.

      Back on topic, can you imagine this sort of printer getting clogged? Whoops. We accidentally put a few of somebody else's kidney cells inside your kidney along with your own. That's gonna be a tumor in a few years, but for now, enjoy your life while it lasts.

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    3. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      No the correct solution is to not use ink but instead a toner based technology. Inkjets are pure garbage.

    4. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Yep, inkjets were are cheap stopgap that should have only been used long enough for laser printers to come down in price. That time has come and passed. There is no longer a good reason for inkjets to exist in the consumer market.

    5. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Extremely high resolution photos can still be printed with inkjets.

      Of course, if you want glossy photos, you might as well just print them online to a printer at your local walgreens, walmart, or other store. The quality will be better and the cost cheaper unless you are printing a huge number...no wait, still cheaper.

      Never mind, then.

    6. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Inkjets are good for printing on transparent film and non-bendable objects.

    7. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Show me a glossy CD/DVD label I can print with a laser. That's why I have inkjet. The matte labels are too thick and add too much weight unbalance to the disc.

    8. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by Kosi · · Score: 1

      No, I'll stick to Canon inkjet printers. Separate printhead and cartridges, in the "better" models even separate tanks for the colors.

    9. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea. Only problem is that decent wide format color laser printers start in the neighborhood of two grand. You can burn through an awful lot of print heads before laser pays for itself unless you are content with 8.5x11 or smaller.

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    10. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Stop pirating movies!



      j/k

    11. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      Seconded, and I'll add Epson to that. Their six-color printers are very nice, and reman cartridges are great if you get them from a reputable dealer.

    12. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Show me a glossy CD/DVD label I can print with a laser. That's why I have inkjet. The matte labels are too thick and add too much weight unbalance to the disc.

      There were (and probably still are) ones that did this. The Lexmark Color 1200 was one such printer. Single pass color printing, fast speeds, and selection of normal finish to glossy finish where it would fuse the fuser oil onto/into the toner. The results were pretty impressive. Not photo-glossy, but more of inbetween photo matte and photo glossy. Looked even better on glossy laser paper (which is sold for various color lasers... I have a big stack of it here by HP for the HP printers, such as our Color 4600). Such paper comes as labels, photo paper, letter sized paper, brochure paper, CD inserts, etc. And of course, cheaper to run than an inkjet (and supporting duplex and 13x19 printing).

      So... there's both printer and paper/labels/etc covered.

      Now, as for printing a CD label (ie: for on the disk), I think those things are terrible (the labels). and avoid them at all costs. Printing directly on a CD/DVD (even if not as glossy) looks much more professional - and for a truly professional look, buying a true CD/DVD printer (not an inkjet with a CD print tray) is even better.

    13. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Now, as for printing a CD label (ie: for on the disk), I think those things are terrible (the labels). and avoid them at all costs. Printing directly on a CD/DVD (even if not as glossy) looks much more professional - and for a truly professional look, buying a true CD/DVD printer (not an inkjet with a CD print tray) is even better.

      The matte labels look terrible, and I avoid those at all costs. The super-thin glossy ones look like they are part of the disc. If you do full-color printing, the gloss coating ensures that you don't see individual ink drops. It looks like 4-color printing directly on the disc (minus the ability to have the shiny show through).

    14. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by Kosi · · Score: 1

      Weren't the printheads for Epson printers almost as expensive as a new printer, sometimes even more expensive? For Canon, they are available for a halfway reasonable price (or were when I last checked some years ago). I also prefer Canon because they are the company with the least (technical and legal) actions against refilling/remaking.

    15. Re:Yeah but how much is the ink cartridge? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Yep, inkjets were are cheap stopgap that should have only been used long enough for laser printers to come down in price. That time has come and passed. There is no longer a good reason for inkjets to exist in the consumer market.

      So what, you want kidneys with frikkin' lasers? I mean, print me a frikkin' bone already!

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  3. And how long by Anubis350 · · Score: 5, Funny

    before we can print a new Milla Jovovich?

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    1. Re:And how long by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Funny

      The day before the end of civilization since no one will ever leave the house after that. Multipass!

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    2. Re:And how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be sure to get some pictures.... for the archives.

    3. Re:And how long by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      Only if the printer can produce enough pot to keep your Clone-ovich in the house.

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    4. Re:And how long by Troll-Under-D'Bridge · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The day before the end of mankind. Womankind will figure out a way to clone themselves and rule the world.

    5. Re:And how long by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      before we can print a new Milla Jovovich?

      No good - "senno ecto gammat".

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    6. Re:And how long by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Not too long, I hope. The old one is starting to look a bit off....

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  4. The term printer jam by systematical · · Score: 2

    just took on a whole new meaning.

  5. It's this kinda shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just caught up and bought a 3d printer, and now they come out with a kidney printer... it's a never ending cycle.

    1. Re:It's this kinda shit... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      He would have gotten the technology a lot sooner but he didn't get much response to his add for the trial : "Scientist wants to scan your organ. Call Dr A. Atala Now. $$$ offered"

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  6. What? by immortalpob · · Score: 1

    TFS: "He refutes reported claims that it's just a kidney shaped mold, as reported by some"

    TFA: "Wake Forest has since clarified media inaccuracies in a press release, stating Dr. Atla printed "a kidney-shaped mold", not a functioning kidney."

    1. Re:What? by immortalpob · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually that sentence is terrible.. from the wake forest site: "Reports in the media that Dr. Anthony Atala printed a real kidney at the TED conference in Long Beach, Calif., are completely inaccurate. At the conference, Dr. Atala used a new type of technology to print a kidney-shaped mold and explained how one day – many years from now – the technology might be used to print actual organs."

      So no real kidney, just a mold.

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second quote is ambigiously written. What it's trying to say is that the original press release that said it was a kidney-shaped mold, but Wake Forest has clarified this was inaccurate, and it's a functioning kidney. That is, when it says 'stating Dr. Atla printed "a kidney-shaped mold", not a functioning kidney.', this is what the inaccurate press release stated. What they clarified is that this was inaccurate.

    3. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... so then the pob was right to be confused, because the summary is wrong? But yes, it is a very poorly worded sentence, given it has two possible interpretations directly opposing each other.

    4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs to clarify for them what "refute" means.

    5. Re:What? by immortalpob · · Score: 1

      Actually I posted a clarification to my post noting the ambiguity there and going straight to the press release. The summary is wrong, he refuted the incorrect press releases which stated that he had created a functioning kidney. Is that unclear enough...

    6. Re:What? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else find this chain of comments strangely reminiscent of the Monty Python and the Holy Grail credit subtitles?

    7. Re:What? by ciaohound · · Score: 2

      "Just" a mold? I suppose penicillin is "just" a mold. You insensitive clod.

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    8. Re:What? by davef1999 · · Score: 2

      I talked w/Dr. Atala at TED. He has printed real kidney fragments, implanted them in cows, and they've produced urine. The current limiting factor is nourishment for the kidney cells during the printing process. Thus, the 'total print time' is limited, which means he can make only small kidneys at the moment. He says the likely first application will be 'augmentation' kidneys for sufferers of kidney disease, not full replacements. And this is still years away. The device on stage at TED was his actual kidney printer, but I have no idea what it was loaded with during his talk. Perhaps some low-cost filler material rather than carefully (and expensively) prepared kidney cells or stem cells or whatever it is he prints up in the lab.

    9. Re:What? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're joking, but you're referring to choice 4, number 2 of http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mold and the person you're responding to is referring to 2.2.

    10. Re:What? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      You don't have to be an engineer to see the obvious solution...

      Instead of one big kidney, just print thousands of tiny ones. Possibly over multiple sessions....

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    11. Re:What? by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Sven and the Majestic Møøse do.

    12. Re:What? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Penicillin is the chemical archetype of a family of useful chemicals. Penicillium is a genus of moulds (yeasts ; my microbiology isn't good enough to closely query the distinction).

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    13. Re:What? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Your first suggestion wasn't a Beowulf cluster of Linux-running kidney printers? Hand in your ./ badge. :P

      ...then ???Profit. Somehow. :P

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    14. Re:What? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Beowulf clusters were the rage of the early noughties. In the late noughties, which we're coming out of now, it was about GPGPU tricks. I'm not sure what the next fetish will be/is...

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  7. As reported by his employer by curio_city · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Wake Forest has since clarified media inaccuracies in a press release, stating Dr. Atla printed "a kidney-shaped mold", not a functioning kidney.

    Where's the link for Dr. Atala contradicting Wake Forest?

  8. How much does it cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hear it costs an arm and a leg!

  9. Bad Summary by Henneshoe · · Score: 1
    The Summary confuses me...
    From the summary:

    He refutes reported claims that it's just a kidney shaped mold, as reported by some.

    From the linked story:

    Wake Forest has since clarified media inaccuracies in a press release, stating Dr. Atla printed "a kidney-shaped mold", not a functioning kidney.

    Did he print an actual kidney or not. I am guessing not.

    1. Re:Bad Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Original submission got it backwards.

      See press release from University:
      http://www.wfubmc.edu/Research/WFIRM/Media-Reports-on-Kidney-Printing-Inaccurate.htm

    2. Re:Bad Summary by immortalpob · · Score: 1

      No he did not, The summary is wrong. Wake forest actually clarified he had NOT produce a working kidney.

  10. Kidney shortage by brian0918 · · Score: 0, Troll

    In the TED talk, he blames things like "we're living longer" for the shortage of organs. The much more obvious reason why there is a shortage of organs, and why organs are so expensive, is that it is illegal to sell one's own organs. An elderly person has no incentive to donate his organs on death, if his surviving loved ones do not profit from it.

    This shortage is contrived.

    1. Re:Kidney shortage by elsurexiste · · Score: 0

      You have strayed far from your pure-capitalism bridge, troll. Please, do continue.

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    2. Re:Kidney shortage by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      Why not allow people to sell their organs to help cover the expensive costs of funerals. More old folks would love to sell their internal organs so as to help their loved ones they leave behind not being burdened by having to pay for their funeral.

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    3. Re:Kidney shortage by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      The much more obvious reason why there is a shortage of organs, and why organs are so expensive, is that it is illegal to sell one's own organs. An elderly person has no incentive to donate his organs on death, if his surviving loved ones do not profit from it.

      See, someone less out of touch with reality who doesn't think capitalism solves all problems would suggest that you should have to opt-out of organ donation rather than opt in. That would solve the problem WITHOUT encouraging organ theft, desperate people selling their organs while still alive, and all sorts of other hideous abuses.

      Oh, but wait, then it would be harder for anyone to make millions in organ trading... well then never mind, it's clearly socialism and that's evil.

    4. Re:Kidney shortage by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      Do you own your own body? I would imagine you would like to believe that you do. If you think that a woman owns her own body and can do what she would like with it ie. Abortion, then she and any one else with sentience would thereby have the rights to their own body to do with it as they please. This includes selling parts off of it and transferring their property after their deaths, it. posthumous selling of their own internal organs. It isn't a capitalism issue, it is a body ownership issue.

      Do you own your own body? Or do you think the "state" is somehow "entitled" to own your own body.

      If you think the state owns your body, have fun with that philosophy as the state can now do whatever they want with you.

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    5. Re:Kidney shortage by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      Do you own your own body? I would imagine you would like to believe that you do. If you think that a woman owns her own body and can do what she would like with it ie. Abortion, then she and any one else with sentience would thereby have the rights to their own body to do with it as they please. This includes selling parts off of it and transferring their property after their deaths, it. posthumous selling of their own internal organs. It isn't a capitalism issue, it is a body ownership issue.

      Do you own your own body? Or do you think the "state" is somehow "entitled" to own your own body.

      If you think the state owns your body, have fun with that philosophy as the state can now do whatever they want with you.

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    6. Re:Kidney shortage by psithurism · · Score: 1

      An elderly person has no incentive to donate his organs on death, if his surviving loved ones do not profit from it.

      Please, do continue.

      Profit for loved ones? Altruism is already the motivating factor for people who have become organ donors. The selfish aren't going to give up their organs for compensation to their heirs (who already get a hefty life insurance payout). If you want to buy organs, let people take out a reverse mortgage on their body. I suspect that would work better.

    7. Re:Kidney shortage by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      If you think the state owns your body, have fun with that philosophy as the state can now do whatever they want with you.

      Well I think the problem here is that straw men have no organs, but if they did, ownership of said organs would be a very interesting issue. Maybe I'd even make a statement on who owns straw man organs. But I didn't, did I?

    8. Re:Kidney shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How simplistic. I don't think I own my own body. I also don't think the state owns my body. I don't think my body is a valid target for the ownership relationship. Not everything that exists can be owned.

      Also, entertaining for a moment your concept of body ownership, I don't think ownership is a binary proposition, wherein someone either has complete control to do whatever they wish with the object or has no control to do anything they wish with the object.

    9. Re:Kidney shortage by maxume · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, the state is placing limitations on the actions that doctors are allowed to take.

      No need to tell you what to do with your body when we can just tell the doctors what not to do.

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    10. Re:Kidney shortage by jimmydigital · · Score: 1

      Would you want the organs of an old person? Yea.. I wouldn't either and neither does anyone else. There is no market for the organs of old people. You might be able to make a case for skin.. but even then I'm not sure. They won't even take your bone marrow if you are over 55.

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    11. Re:Kidney shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is a man not entitled to his own organs pulsating within his own body?

      No! Said the Anonymous Coward, It belongs to no one.

      No! Said the man in the Government, It belongs to the people on the organ donor list.

      No! Said the Chinese Government, It belongs to the State.

      I am Andrew Ryan and I........

    12. Re:Kidney shortage by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      If i want to sell my internal Organs after I die, I already have the inherent right to do, it is the government who is infringing already on those rights.

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    13. Re:Kidney shortage by vell0cet · · Score: 1

      Not really. This is a matter of law. You can own your own body and still not do things with it that are illegal.

      Personally, I think that this is a good idea. People can be pressured into all sorts of things. Selling parts of your body should not be one of those.

    14. Re:Kidney shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm getting the feeling that this whole conversation has to do with the Law & Order that aired last night.

      Now everyone is an expert on kidney transplants. "People should be able to sell their organs, but it's illegal." and "The donation process should be opt-out" are both from the first 10 minutes of the episode.

    15. Re:Kidney shortage by maxume · · Score: 1

      Oh, I see, the inherent rights of a corpse. Right.

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    16. Re:Kidney shortage by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Odd coincidence, but I didn't that episode. The actual inspiration came from a poster on the DMV wall the other day, which I saw while renewing my license.

    17. Re:Kidney shortage by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      There are some problems that relate to the concept of ownership. This is not one of those problems.

      We in the real world decided some time ago that there are many issues where a pragmatic approach, ignoring philosophical consistency, gets the job done and allows us to get on with making the world a nicer place to live.

    18. Re:Kidney shortage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the number of commercials I see on tv about older people who have fallen down and hurt themselves and are thus models for things like walk-in bathtubs, alert beacons, osteoporosis-related drugs, and public service announcements - I get the feeling they don't really have the marrow to give.

    19. Re:Kidney shortage by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 0

      Well, if you believe that people own their own bodies. The fetus is only half owned by the woman. The other 'owner' is who ever the father is. One would need to get his permission for the abortion. Unless we have cloning, in that case you are saying what you can do with yourself. Of course cloning throws a huge wrench into things.

    20. Re:Kidney shortage by thedonger · · Score: 1

      He's probably just worried about a sub-prime organ market.

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    21. Re:Kidney shortage by hierophanta · · Score: 2

      when the alternative is certain death, yes, I and most people will happily take the organ.

    22. Re:Kidney shortage by Isaac-1 · · Score: 1

      No one wants an 80 year old warn out liver, kidney, heart, etc. Instead they one one from the healthy 25 year old that just ran his motorcycle into the side of a bus.

    23. Re:Kidney shortage by Isaac-1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but at the cost of surgery and on going care is it worth it for a worn out organ that may at best have a few more years of limited use left?

    24. Re:Kidney shortage by westlake · · Score: 1

      An elderly person has no incentive to donate his organs on death, if his surviving loved ones do not profit from it.

      The elderly person may have nothing of value to donate.

    25. Re:Kidney shortage by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      I think you're being overly generous in assigning a full half-share to the father. Compared to the mother's contribution to the process, the father's part is negligible. Some minor compensation may be in order, but certainly nothing more. Moreover, regardless of the division of ownership, no one has any right to demand that someone else use their body in a certain way; that includes continuing a pregnancy. At most you can seek compensation for a broken contract, assuming you can show that one existed in the first place.

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    26. Re:Kidney shortage by paeanblack · · Score: 2

      In the TED talk, he blames things like "we're living longer" for the shortage of organs.

      Improvements in trauma medicine, vehicular safety, and workplace safety are the biggest causes for the shortage of organs.

      Things like seatbelt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, and OSHA aren't helping either. Catastrophic fatal injuries (especially head trauma) are jackpots for donor organs. Crass, but true.

    27. Re:Kidney shortage by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      No, people would still make millions in organ trading (and installation), just not the people who grew them.

      I see nothing wrong with people selling their own organs, and I seriously doubt it would diminish what is already a minuscule pool of donors.

      Anyway, most people make an explicit choice when they receive their driver's license or state ID, which could just as easily be called "out-out" as "opt-in."

    28. Re:Kidney shortage by 517714 · · Score: 1

      Is this why 80 year olds ride the bus?

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    29. Re:Kidney shortage by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      the rational thing to do would be to eliminate the concept of organ "donation" usable organs should be taken when a person dies, they are dead and do not have rights anymore, unlike the people who are alive and awaiting organs.

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    30. Re:Kidney shortage by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you own your own body? Or do you think the "state" is somehow "entitled" to own your own body.

      Your question is based on a false premise. Living bodies are not ownable.

      "Your" body is the thing that does the verb that is you. Flight does not own an arrow, shining does not own the sun, a Em7 chord does not own a guitar. The action and the subject are inseparable.

      Property, on the other hand, is a relationship that is separable. You do not own your body. So long as your body is being a living human being, no one does or can.

      Once you are dead -- once your body is no longer being you -- by natural default the inanimate remains of your body are finders-keepers. It takes an act of the state to transform the unowned corpse that was formerly you into legally recognized property.

      It's entirely appropriate for the state to say, "By default, we're going to transform part of this corpse into property in a way that helps save lives, by giving it to this doctor so that he can make those bit help do the verb that is someone else (at which point it will cease being property); and the remainder into property in a way that helps the decedent's family and friends deal with their grief by using it in some sort of funeral rites."

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    31. Re:Kidney shortage by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Would you want the organs of an old person? Yea.. I wouldn't either and neither does anyone else. There is no market for the organs of old people. You might be able to make a case for skin.. but even then I'm not sure. They won't even take your bone marrow if you are over 55.

      Not so. I saw a piece on TV some time ago about a USA doctor who was taking organs from donors that would normally be considered too old, and giving them to older recipients who would normally be at the bottom of the transplant list because of their age.

      For example they may take a heart from an otherwise healthy 60 year old and give it to a 70 year old. This doctor had done a number of these transplants with good long term survival rates. Of course you could argue about the ethics of spending that much money on an oldie with only a few years to live, but their family may disagree.

    32. Re:Kidney shortage by psithurism · · Score: 1

      No one wants an 80 year old warn out liver, kidney, heart, etc. Instead they one one from the healthy 25 year old that just ran his motorcycle into the side of a bus.

      Ok, new pricing scheme:
      Pay the young healthy people with risky lifestyles a small reverse mortgage until their age or health determines that the organ is no longer useful at which point the organ traders write off the loss. I stress a small reverse mortgage to prevent abuses of the system from both ends. For example I recall some sci-fi setting has had people buy their organs back, or part with them.

    33. Re:Kidney shortage by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      There are two reasons for the organ shortage: 1- most people take theirs to the grave. 2- sick people outnumber the dead, so the supply(from recently dead) will always be smaller than the number with (possibly long term) illness. I would suggest negative option billing. Instead of signing up to donate your organs (then having your next of kin second guess you), we assume that everyone wants to donate their body parts unless they register, and harvest all available parts at death unless they have done so (and don't ask the next of kin). I'd also suggest that anyone who registers against donation would be put at the back of the line for recipient organs (or taken off the list).

    34. Re:Kidney shortage by mind.the.oranges · · Score: 1

      +1, Funny

    35. Re:Kidney shortage by glittalogik · · Score: 1
    36. Re:Kidney shortage by SpecBear · · Score: 1

      While I understand the aversion to elderly organs, I think your perspective might change if you were actually in the market for replacement parts. Nobody wants organs from an old person, but some people out there may need them. If your liver is failing, the docs give you a month to live, and the only compatible liver available is from a 60-year-old who died of a heart attack, are you really going say no?

    37. Re:Kidney shortage by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      Or the eyes from a suicide victim. My brother's eyes brought sight to two blind people, and the rest of his organs were given to research, as per his wishes. Yes, he was a scientist.

    38. Re:Kidney shortage by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      Grand idea, except that many cultures and religions have rules against desecrating the body after death. It may be rational to harvest when the heart stops, but it's not realistic.

    39. Re:Kidney shortage by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      I'd also suggest that anyone who registers against donation would be put at the back of the line for recipient organs (or taken off the list).

      You do realize that communism, while good on paper most of the time, never works in reality right? There's this little thing called "human compassion" that will put your conscientious objector in a position based on his need and not your indignation.

      To put it another way, communism will only work when humanity is completely replaced by autonomous machines without emotion.

    40. Re:Kidney shortage by jimmydigital · · Score: 1

      As I understand it... it's not up to you. The medical system has standards for such things and they won't accept an organ from a person after they are so old because of a much higher risk of the transplant failing.

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  11. Grandiose summary by curio_city · · Score: 1
    What Wake Forest says.

    The "kidneys" produced could not be printed into the patient, they're not functional.

  12. How this works by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You take an inkjet printer, load the tank with (organ specialized) human cells and print the organ layer by layer with a filler material to hold it all together. The best source of human cells would be stem cells(made from that person to prevent immune system hazards), though taking cells from an existing kidney might work in some cases. It would work best done outside the body at least till the glue dries. Should work for most of the organs in the human body, including muscle and tendons. stem cell research is almost at the point this can be done, eliminating the need for donor organs. In theory this would work for bones as well, allowing you to print an arm or leg. In about 25 years we'll have the stem cell/printer tech to print a whole person with this tech (or build an android that looks/feels the same), though i'm sure that will be banned by the religious extremists. If AI ever works techno-nerds living in their parents basements will finally .

    1. Re:How this works by FesterDaFelcher · · Score: 1

      Will finally WHAT? I've got to know!?!?!

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    2. Re:How this works by krnpimpsta · · Score: 1

      Will finally WHAT? I've got to know!?!?!

      Sorry, this is slashdot... that's as far as we know. Maybe someone from the Outside can chime in on what happens when a man and woman get together??

      Hopefully it's sweet like ninjas! (I love ninjas)

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    3. Re:How this works by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I accidentally the last sentence.

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    4. Re:How this works by angelbar · · Score: 1

      I dont mind the extremists!! 38+25 years more it's just enoug, move forward please... How can I help?

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    5. Re:How this works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole thing.

    6. Re:How this works by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Will finally WHAT? I've got to know!?!?!

      Sorry, this is slashdot... that's as far as we know. Maybe someone from the Outside can chime in on what happens when a man and woman get together??

      Hopefully it's sweet like ninjas! (I love ninjas)

      Oh, I'm pretty sure that the hard disk of your average basement dweller has a decent selection of HD-quality video material about what happens when men and women get together in various combinations...

    7. Re:How this works by pz · · Score: 1

      Prof. Brian Derby of the University of Manchester was printing bone scaffolding in 2005. He was a finalist for the Saatchi and Saatchi World Changing Ideas Award in 2008 for that work (full disclosure: I was a finalist as well, but for something else).

      Here's but one link to the press coverage of that particular idea from 2005.
      http://news.cnet.com/Paging%20Dr.%20Inkjet/2100-1041_3-5656823.html

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    8. Re:How this works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In about 25 years we'll have the stem cell/printer tech to print a whole person with this tech (or build an android that looks/feels the same).

      No, we won't.

    9. Re:How this works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You take an inkjet printer, load the tank with (organ specialized) human cells and print the organ layer by layer with a filler material to hold it all together. The best source of human cells would be stem cells(made from that person to prevent immune system hazards), though taking cells from an existing kidney might work in some cases. It would work best done outside the body at least till the glue dries. Should work for most of the organs in the human body, including muscle and tendons. stem cell research is almost at the point this can be done, eliminating the need for donor organs. In theory this would work for bones as well, allowing you to print an arm or leg. In about 25 years we'll have the stem cell/printer tech to print a whole person with this tech (or build an android that looks/feels the same), though i'm sure that will be banned by the religious extremists. If AI ever works techno-nerds living in their parents basements will finally .

      Except, it doesn't look like we can afford it. Healthcare costs as a percentage of GDP have been growing as improvements in technology have been made because as technology improves, both the cost of treatment and the post-treatment cost of survivors increase. Each iteration requires more technicians and more equipment to eke out a marginal improvement in lifetime. How much are you willing to spend to extend your llife? At what point does it become better to accept death as one of the harsh, but poignant, inevitabilities of life?

    10. Re:How this works by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Will finally know if androids dream of electric sheep.

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  13. Bah - I already read this story by commodore6502 · · Score: 0

    It was published in the January 2007 F&SF (fantasy/scifi) magazine, if I recall correctly. It was about a society that "printed" bones and other organs by converting yellow dust into a hard polymer.

    Unfortunately this proved to be a disruptive technology, because pretty soon people were printing all kinds of crap like Dishes, pots/pans, even whole houses/shacks. It toppled the scarcity-based economy since everything could be instantly copied for cheap. (Kinda like books, music, and video today.)

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    1. Re:Bah - I already read this story by peragrin · · Score: 1

      That works up to a certian point. It will force raw material price through the roof, while manufactuing gets cut out.

      In the end economics always wins

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    2. Re:Bah - I already read this story by VanGarrett · · Score: 1

      There are other mitigating factors, the biggest of which, is how many people it takes to produce an adequate supply of the material to satisfy the needs of the population as a whole. If it is adequately difficult to produce in quantity that everyone basically needs to manufacture their own, then the economy doesn't change. However, if, for the sake of contrast, an adequate supply for the world can be produced by two people in an afternoon, then we run into a different problem. The new product obsoletes an entire industry, and with it, a great chunk of the world's income. Factory workers make up a great deal of the world's population, and when their income goes away, that spreads to have an impact on the service industry, the entertainment industry and on outward, like a cancer. Before long, virtually the only people with an income to purchase the raw material, are the people who produce it.

      I'm not exactly sure how it works out from there. Either we take an altruistic approach, such as in the Star Trek universe, where every man works to the betterment of world and self, or we take on a more complex economy that has a substantially different balancing point.

    3. Re:Bah - I already read this story by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      the end result would be a purely creative, intellectual, and service economy, much like that of the united states of america. most likely stability would not be maintained during the transition and one of two outcomes would occur, either the first and last successful marxist state would occur, where living space was apportioned out to people in a fair and, due to the very low threshold of other needs, people actually do work towards personal and social betterment.

      the other possibility would be corporate control, starting with draconian restrictions on the proliferation and use of replication technology, followed by a capitalist dystopia where the ultracorps who controlled the early stages of replication tech used their massive market advantage to buy up most of everything that will not be rendered obsolete by replication, mineral rights and property. typical rental agreements will require turning over copyrights and patents to the corporate landlords, and copyright laws will be adjusted to allow such requirements and to provide prison time for anyone violating such an agreement.

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    4. Re:Bah - I already read this story by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      It toppled the scarcity-based economy since everything could be instantly copied for cheap

      Ahh, but post scarcity economies have a big advantage over scarcity economies: plenty of stuff .

      I cannot comprehend the thought process that would lead one to the conclusion that an entire population not needing to work for a living would be a problem.

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  14. Inquiring minds want to know... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    How do they taste? How about with some fava beans and a nice chianti?

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  15. Human trials by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

    TFA makes it sound like a printer for a much simpler organ (bladder) has been used in at least one human trial. I wonder if there is anything published in medical literature about this kind of thing? (I'm not in medicine or biotech, so I wouldn't necessarily know).

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    1. Re:Human trials by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

      I attended a talk by Dr. Atala earlier this year. His background in urology, so urethras and bladders were the first applications of the technology. The problem with other organs is vascularization. Without infiltration by blood vessels, the printed tissue can only survive in a layer 5cm from blood. That's fine for hollow organs like those that have gone to trial.

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  16. Something more immediate.... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Wish this guy would test the technology using goose liver. It will save the poor birds a lot of grief, assure French restaurants a steady supply of fois gras, satisfy PETA and will get to the market sooner.

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    1. Re:Something more immediate.... by shis-ka-bob · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for a kidney transplant. I'm not sure that fois gras is a more immediate concern.

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    2. Re:Something more immediate.... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      There is no satisfying organizations like PETA. Their end goal is a paradox. Printing fois gras would just give them more time to go after other animal uses.

    3. Re:Something more immediate.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      satisfy PETA

      That means less naked celebs, not good.

    4. Re:Something more immediate.... by Changa_MC · · Score: 2

      I had a friend on the waiting list for a kidney for many years so I certainly sympathize with your plight, but you misread the GP. Not a more immediate concern, but more immediate results. It will be years before the FDA allows you to implant a synthetic kidney, possibly decades. Before that, we need to produce a fully functional kidney, which is years to decades out as well. In the meantime, we can start producing fois gras next month, and get it approved for human consumption within a couple years (or days if we label it "herbal supplement"), money from which can go towards the synthetic kidney for transplants research. Solving tiny problems is the easiest way to eventually solve insurmountably large problems.

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    5. Re:Something more immediate.... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the clarification changa_Mc, you said it better, I have canceled my partially formed reply.

      Other points would be that bio-engineered fois gras would put some cash on the table and fund the R&D towards kidney research, it will iron out the kinks in the process and pay to amortize the installation costs of the production facility too.

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  17. The smudges can be brutal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let that thing dry completely before you touch it...wouldn't want it to smudge.

  18. hello new kidney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://gutenver.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hello_kidney_design_light_blue.png

  19. Heres the actual talk by Guano_Jim · · Score: 2

    http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney.html

    You can watch the actual video here.

  20. Other organs? by adeft · · Score: 1

    I might be interested in a liver in 30 years--Government based IT work is enough to drive anyone to drink.

  21. bottoms up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll drink to that! Can he get me a new liver too?

  22. prepare yourself for a new wave of spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Male enlargement printing , up to five inch more of manliness.

  23. PC Load Liver by Herg · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the f@(% does that mean?

    1. Re:PC Load Liver by A10Mechanic · · Score: 1

      Dude, you owe me a new keyboard

  24. Kidneyless? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Some time in the future, will we be striving for the kidneyless office and be content with viewing virtual kidneys on our monitors? After all, real kidneys are wasteful and harmful to the planet. Aren't they?

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  25. Damn Fineprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And after you get your shiny new custom made organ you'll be enrolled in our easy payment plan....
    The fine print: failure to pay will result in reposession.

  26. New From Apple: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iLiver.

  27. How it really works by ddd0004 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It gets the command to print a new kidney.
    It reports that it will be ready it 48 hours.
    It flies down to Mexico.
    Some unsuspecting tourist wakes up in a bathtub of ice.
    You get a new kidney.

  28. Organs for profit? by nowen2dot · · Score: 1

    Let's keep profits out of the organ donor process. The last thing we need are, "Need money fast? Donate a kidney! Don't worry. You have two of them!"

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    1. Re:Organs for profit? by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      "Need money fast?" and "Donate a kidney" are mutually exclusive. When you donate something, you aren't compensated financially.

      Organ selling, on the other hand, can be quite profitable...until you are caught.

  29. "Enhance Your Organ" spam goes legit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to assume kidneys won't be the only organs that will be considered for fabrication.

    "Hey doc, that kidney works great! Uh, how about, you know, printing out something else I already got, only make it like a wide-body stretch version?..."

  30. Please pass the A1! by RickyG · · Score: 1

    Why not print something you can sell to everyone? T-Bone steaks! If you think your printer cartridge cost is bad now, wait until you try to buy the kidney favored one!

  31. Beavis and Butthead by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Heh, hehe heheheh heheheheheheh....
    He said 'hard disk'.

    Heh, hehe heheheh heheheheheheh....

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  32. five days behind twitter by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

    Nice job /.

  33. Great, new spam by Centurix · · Score: 1

    Penis printing facilities. Price is measure in standard page sizes: A4, A3, A2, A1, US Letter size, or Foolscap.

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  34. Reality vs. Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reality:
    "Reports in the media that Dr. Anthony Atala printed a real kidney at the TED conference in Long Beach, Calif., are completely inaccurate. At the conference, Dr. Atala used a new type of technology to print a kidney-shaped mold and explained how one day – many years from now – the technology might be used to print actual organs."
    http://www.wfubmc.edu/Research/WFIRM/Media-Reports-on-Kidney-Printing-Inaccurate.htm

    Slashdot:
    "The early stage technology involves scanning the patient's current organ, and actually printing the organ directly into the patient. He refutes reported claims that it's just a kidney shaped mold, as reported by some."

  35. Running the process & watching Star Trek by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Designing the "molds" and running the printing process itself (managing printers, dealing with the raw material), etc would account for the manufacturing sector of this society
    I admit I'm not a Star Trek expert, but I think this was the whole point of Star Trek replicators, to show these things' effect on economy (also by contrasting with latinum and the Ferengi)

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  36. How boring by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    Give me a heads-up when they can print hearts and brains. I may be able to get a couple of government contracts. No, they don't need to be bleeding edge hi-res for that.

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    1. Re:How boring by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

      The same technology has already printed a chicken heart, that spontaneously started contracting and coordinated the rhythm across the whole organ within a day.

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