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Is Daylight Saving Time Bad For You?

Hugh Pickens writes "According to experts on circadian rhythms, the hour shift in sleep schedule from Daylight Saving Time can have serious effects on some people's health, particularly in people with certain pre-existing health problems. One study found that men were more likely to commit suicide during the first few weeks of Daylight Saving Time (DST) than at any other time during the year, and another study showed that the number of serious heart attacks jumps 6% to 10% on the first three workdays after DST begins. Dr. Xiaoyong Yang, an assistant professor of comparative medicine and cellular and molecular physiology at Yale University, theorizes that shifts in biologic rhythms could trigger harmful inflammatory or metabolic changes at the cellular level, to which these individuals may be more susceptible."

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  1. Re:I don't care I enjoy the later sunsets. by omarius · · Score: 2

    I was going to say, FINE! Fix it: keep DST all year round!

  2. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As someone who suffers from SAD, depression, etc. I can attest to the fact that a strict sleep schedule is incredibly important to keeping me healthy and functional. DST rudely smashes all my carefully laid schedules and plans.

    It may not seem like much, but even shifting things by a single hour and put me (and people like me) a very difficult spot. Light boxes and sunrise simulator alarm clocks help, but what helps the most is strict consistency in sleep/wake times. This is especially harmful to people with bipolar disorder because it can trigger a manic or depressive episode.
    DST sucks!

    1. Re:Yep by Xtifr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's really a health issue, why adjust your sleep schedule to match the changing clock? Can't you simply get up an hour earlier during winter?

    2. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm already waking up before the crack of noon. I don't know how much earlier you expect me to get up.

    3. Re:Yep by Aphex+Junkie · · Score: 2

      Your suggestion of moving to AZ may be problematic for non-white people.

  3. People who travel? by ramk13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does this compare to people who travel one time zone over, let alone multiple time zones? Aren't these people (millions) in worse shape?

    1. Re:People who travel? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      This is a related problem. But unlike travel which can be mitigated by either avoiding it or traveling by car/train, DST is something that's imposed by the government and cannot easily be avoided if you're in an area that observes it. Few employers are going to let you come in late to avoid having your circadian rhythm disrupted.

    2. Re:People who travel? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      DST is something that's imposed by the government and cannot easily be avoided if you're in an area that observes it.

      You could always move. Arizona doesn't observe DST.

      Some people move to dry or warm climates for reasons related to health. This isn't really that much different.

    3. Re:People who travel? by Xtifr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So get up an hour earlier during winter rather than an hour later during summer, and you won't have to come in late or have your circadian rhythms disrupted.

    4. Re:People who travel? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2

      >>Try working on the border between Illinois and Indiana, not only is there a timezone changeover, Illinois uses DST while Indiana does not. If I'm not mistaken part of the year their clocks match, and part of the year they're three hours different.

      I do work in central Indiana, and it's really really annoying. Not only do they not use DST, but their time zone splits the state in half, so an airport 20 miles away might be an hour ahead or behind your time at the hotel.

      I would have missed a flight once because of this, but fortunately(?) it worked the other way and I showed up at the airport at 4AM, before anyone was even there.

    5. Re:People who travel? by mea_culpa · · Score: 2

      Hawaii then?

    6. Re:People who travel? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      I do work in central Indiana, and it's really really annoying. Not only do they not use DST, but their time zone splits the state in half

      Not in the last few years you haven't. Indiana switched to DST in 2005. Arizona and Hawaii are the last holdouts of sanity.

  4. Lengthening the Blanket... by kenwd0elq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw an editorial cartoon perhaps 30 years ago. In the cartoon, Richard Nixon is depicted sitting in a rocking chair saying "I need to make this blanket longer, so that we can stay warm in the winter. So I'll cut one foot of the blanket off at one end, and sew it onto the other end." That's everything you need to know about Daylight Savings Time.

    1. Re:Lengthening the Blanket... by peragrin · · Score: 2

      While your analogy is correct, it misses the point.

          I stopped and looked at it one day. in NY the sun sets on Sept.1st at about 8:30pm. without daylight that means it sets at 7:30pm The northern states would literally lose the ability to do many things they can now simply because it will get dark out in August and September, instead of October.

      Evening sports, afterwork hobbies, anything that one does after 5pm(when most people stop working) will lose time to do things like mow the yard afterwork. How many things do you do in the summer after work, and how many of them require daylight to be made easier. That is daylight savings time working for you.

      I would love it if we used daylight savings all year round. it would solve both problems.

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    2. Re:Lengthening the Blanket... by MatthiasF · · Score: 2

      I think the benefits of the system are being curtailed by the fact it's being applied by longitude instead of latitude.

      As most know, the differences in sun rise and sun set align along the latitude (local solar time), yet the daylight savings adjustments are currently aligned against the averaged time zones by longitude. This was the easiest way to do it and it seems to be holding back the system (based off studies).

      If instead they setup latitude DST to run perpendicular to the date lines, we'd definitely see the efficiencies gained. But this would mean countries like the USA would have 2-3 DST areas (northern one from New England west to Washington state, southern one from Georgia/Florida to Southern California, and a middle one from North Carolina-Maryland over to Northern California), applied on top of the normal time zones.

      Could get confusing when two people who were in the same time zone now have to deal with an hour difference as well, but would be an hour closer to someone in a time zone behind them.

      It's really the only way DST would work but adoption would be difficult. Maybe less so nowadays that computers and phones can do the adjustments for you, but to explain to the broader public why the system had to become more complicated would probably be a disaster in itself.

      (copy pasta from a previous comment on DST)

    3. Re:Lengthening the Blanket... by kenwd0elq · · Score: 5, Interesting
      When I was in the Navy, I spent a couple of years on Bermuda. (I know; a TOUGH assignment!) Bermuda doesn't (did not?) do DST. Instead, many businesses did "summer working hours"; come to work at 7 AM, no lunch break, and then close at 2 PM. If many employers offered flextime, or people could break out of the clock-watching habit, then they could have the benefits of DST all year long.

      The only thing "daylight savings time" does is force, by government decree, that EVERYBODY must do this at the SAME time, in lockstep.

    4. Re:Lengthening the Blanket... by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      You know, those of us who want the extra daylight could just get up an hour earlier and go into work earlier.

      I can do that. However, I was under the impression the majority of people actually work for someone else, often at companies or organizations that have a set schedule. "You know, those of you who want this can just quit your jobs." Uh huh...

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    5. Re:Lengthening the Blanket... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fuck it. Too complicated.

      Stick everybody on GMT / UTC / Zulu (whatever you want to call it) and just deal with it.

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  5. In other news by starfishsystems · · Score: 2

    In other news, I believe that waking up to an alarm clock is hazardous to my health.

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  6. Re:Natural Selection! by Aphex+Junkie · · Score: 2

    How about this modest proposal: let's grind up the "weak" and turn them into cat food! In fact, let's have sweeps on a yearly basis. This will finally solve our problems and allow humanity to advance to the next level. One may even go so far as calling it a.... final solution.

  7. Time to solve the problem by Wowsers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To solve the problem is VERY simple, but the politicians don't like it. When you move to summer time, move the clocks 1/2 hour forward instead of 1 hour... and then LEAVE them there. No more going forwards and backwards wasting time changing countless clocks and gadgets, and no more bickering about moving the timezone multiple hours forward like the UK had recently just to please some European fascists.

    Recent campaign for UK to be on Berlin Time
    Portugal wants to move back to GMT

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    1. Re:Time to solve the problem by Vegemeister · · Score: 2

      No. People will mod him -1 Troll for fucking up his derivatives, which you so courteously quoted.

  8. The problem is psychological, not physiological by grizdog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with DST is the free lunch mentality that goes with it. It was the first response of Congress to the "energy crisis" of the early 70's, and has remained the solution of choice for similar problems ever since. People genuinely believe they are getting "an extra hour of daylight", and expect other little bonuses to be handed to them just as painlessly. Sorry for the rant, but it's long been a pet peeve of mine.

    1. Re:The problem is psychological, not physiological by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2

      >>People genuinely believe they are getting "an extra hour of daylight"

      They are. People that aren't farmers don't care about daylight in the morning time, but they do care about it when they get off work. So it's exactly like getting a free hour of daylight from a utility point of view.

      DST should be made permanent.

    2. Re:The problem is psychological, not physiological by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Of course they're getting an extra hour of daylight. I can't believe your post was marked insightful. Way to miss the point.

      Sure it's trivial that the number of physical hours of daylight in a 24 hour period doesn't change by changing the clocks, but that's never been the reason to do so. The reason is that people's lives are regulated by clocks. They get to work at 9, and leave at 5, or whatever the hours are. That also means they sleep during the "night" that's defined by those clocks.

      The point of daylight savings is that the work hours and night hours are shifted, so that during the period when they are awake and working and living, the amount of daylight is, actually, truly, increased. Also, during the period when the clocks say it's time to sleep, the amount of darkness is increased.

      Daylight savings is a great idea, and will continue to be a great idea for as long as human societies are using clocks to synchronize economic activity.

      It didn't used to be like that. In medieval or ancient times, people's days started at dawn and ended at sunset, and that was the economic regulator. They didn't have appointments at ten, meetings at two, eight working hours etc. Instead they had longer work days in summer, shorter work days in winter, and meetings around midday, plus or minus a few hours.

      I can't believe I have to spell this out on slashdot.

    3. Re:The problem is psychological, not physiological by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Actually, the primary point of the "extra hour of daylight" is that (in the eyes of Congress at least) it encourages people to go out and shop during the summer evenings. That's why the latest changes to when DST started and stopped were billed as a measure to revive the economy.

      Practicality, or the free time available to us peons, had nothing to do with it.

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    4. Re:The problem is psychological, not physiological by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that it's all backwards.

      In the spring, we should be moving the clocks *back* an hour. That way, it would actually be dark outside before midnight in the summer, allowing us to actually sleep in *darkness*.

      Then, in the fall, we should be moving the clocks *ahead* an hour, so that it's actually light outside when we wake up, and it's *still* light outside when we are done work, giving us more "after work daylight".

      The current "daylight savings rules" are completely bass-ackwards!

    5. Re:The problem is psychological, not physiological by garwain · · Score: 2

      Yes, it's a great idea. Now, it's still near dark when I get up at 6:00, I have to use lights in my barn to see what I'm doing with my animals. Then just light when I drive to work, and wow, it's light for an extra hour at night after i'm home, and taken care of the animals for the evening. Thanks, but I like it to be light when I get up in the morning!

  9. Turn the clock back 23 hours, instead of one ahead by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    Turing the clock one hour ahead is bound to screw people up. So why not just turn the clock back 23 hours? The time will be the same, and we all can take that extra "Daylight Savings Day" as an opportunity to lounge around, doing nothing productive.

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  10. Re:I've got another theory... by tomhudson · · Score: 2

    theorizes that shifts in biologic rhythms could trigger harmful inflammatory or metabolic changes at the cellular level, to which these individuals may be more susceptible."

    ...OR "Shit shit shit shit I'm late for work I'm gonna be fired again!" gets to you ... Everytime I read one of these "studies" that "shows" stuff, I can't help but think that the researcher is a press whore or is just trying to get more funding by throwing out a ridiculously convoluted "theory" to explain a simple observation. After all, the "people get stressed out when they're late for work" hypothesis doesn't get you as many grants.

    One fall Saturday night, I jokingly "reminded" my friend to turn his clock forward because of the time change - I said "Remember, fall forward, spring back". I figured his wife would catch the joke and correct him, and move the clock back an hour. Instead, he showed up for the 6AM restaurant opening time at 4 in the morning - which meant he must have gotten up at 2:30 AM ...

    So he's sitting in the mall parking lot all by himself, wondering where everyone is, when the police pull up to find out why some black guy is just sitting there in his car in the middle of the night.

    Maybe I can apply for a grant for stress caused by being early for work? I could get an ig-nobel.

  11. Average? by MrQuacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why don't they average it out to half an hour and just leave it there? Instead of swapping an hour twice a year, swap half an hour one time and don't bother doing it again.

  12. Semi Annual DST rant by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the best part of DST is the opportunity to have this semi-annual anti-DST rant-fest. It's better than sunlight!

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    I am not a crackpot.
  13. Healthy Stressless Society? by SumterLiving · · Score: 2

    If the government gets rid of DST for the health benefits of a few then they should be required to make new laws for other causes of stress too: How about doing federal taxes, job interviews, coming home to the wife after a sneak trip to a strip club, traffic jams, law suits, the bogyman, XMAS shopping, public speaking, jock itch, earthquakes, tornadoes, ice storms and the list could go on forever. More so for some and less for others. Maybe our government should not try to protect us from all stresses in life?

  14. Get rid of it and adjust schedules... by zoid.com · · Score: 2

    As someone that has to deal with DST and timezones in the IT world I say we go with straight GMT and get rid of all of the rest. Then let local areas adjust accordingly. So in central time zone areas we go to work @ 14:00 GMT and get off at @ 23:00...

  15. Re:Mandatory National Twice-Yearly Jet Lag by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

    If it affects you that strongly, why not try getting up 15 minutes earlier every few days for the couple of weeks preceding it so you'll be eased into it instead of shifting entirely at once?

  16. Stopped changing my sleep schedule last year... by Christopher+Fritz · · Score: 2

    ...and it's been working out fine thus far.

    Back during the last time change (autumn of 2010), I decided to not change my alarm clock's time. My computer and laptop would auto-adjust, and I'd still have to change the times on my DSLR camera, e-reader, and Nintendo DS. But the alarm clock time remains the same. When the alarm clock shows "9:30 PM", I go to bed (even though it's actually 8:30 PM). When the alarm clock shows "4:00 AM" (even though it's actually 3:00 AM), it sounds and I wake up.

    The effect is that my day shifts by an hour twice yearly, but I do not. It was strange for the first week or two, having everything around me shifted by an hour (giving me an extra hour in the dark morning, and an hour less after work), but that's much better than the two weeks it would have taken me to even begin to adjust to an altered sleeping schedule.

    Soon I'll find if shifting my day back (moving an hour from my morning to my afternoon) will feel as strange as it did in the autumn. One thing I do know for sure, I won't lose an hour of sleep in the transition.

  17. Re:I don't care I enjoy the later sunsets. by Cowclops · · Score: 2

    Yes - the problem is that we have to change it at all, not that the sun goes down an hour later (and comes up an hour later). I prefer the light at the end of the day myself, so, indeed, make it DST year round. Problem solved.

  18. Hi by bmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My name is BMO and I live in Rhode Island. We here in the Northeast US are far enough east that during the winter, we go to work in the dark and we come home in the dark. Unless you have windows in your office or stock room or machine shop, or whatever, you never see the sun except on weekends. It's like being divorced and having partial custody - of sunlight.

    The Eastern time zone is so wide that it stretches all the way to the Eastern border of Illinois. This is just nuts. When DST finally shows up in March, suddenly the sun sets at a reasonable hour.

    New England and NY should secede from the Union and join the Maritime Provinces simply to get a sane time zone.

    I'm sorry for ranting, but I'm tired of my Seasonal Affective Disorder and I can't wait for DST to get here. See? My SAD is showing!

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    BMO

  19. Re:Jetlag? by osu-neko · · Score: 2

    In other words, people who are already in trouble feel compound effects with other changes in their lives.

    Can an hour or two really have such a severe effect? If that was the case, shouldn't there be a massive effect when travelling and crossing time zones? A quick PubMed search didn't throw up any studies with jetlag and suicide or heart attack.

    You're talking about results of a self-selected study, essentially. Most people who travel have a choice about when to do it, and don't do it when they're not up for it. Start involuntarily loading millions of people into airplanes with no regard whatsoever for their current health status and moving them to new time zones, then see what effect jetlag has on their health.

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  20. And non-Soviet Russia by saikou · · Score: 2

    has already decided to end daylight-saving time.
    Because "power savings" from this back-and-forth are 0.2%. And hassles from switch time are simply not worth it :) Heck, Arizona lived without DST without problems...

  21. Aha...an argument against evolution... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 2

    What with all that darkness you guys deal with, I can't figure out why Scandinavian women evolved into such exquisite creatures. What does it matter, in the dark?

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  22. One size does not fit all by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 2

    Here in Canada, most of us are far enough north that our summers are bright, DST or not. Here in Vancouver at "only" 49 degrees north, the latest sunset (if we stayed on standard time) is about 2025 PST, with twilight until nearly 2200 PST in June and July. Further north it's brighter, later. I've been in Yukon (63 degrees north) in May when it was like a bright overcast day at 0100. How much more do people want?

    By the same token, our winters are dark, no matter what we do. The earliest sunset in Vancouver is about 1600 PST, and the latest sunrise is about 0800 PST.

    I think messing with the clocks is pointless. There may be a sweet spot, say, around 40 degrees north, but Canada is well north of that.

    ...laura

  23. DST == Get Your Ass Out Of Bed Earlier by billstewart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Daylight Savings Time is just getting your ass out of bed earlier while pretending you're not. If you like to have light in the afternoon after you get out of work, go to work earlier and leave earlier. You're probably a techie like most of us, so you can probably work flexible hours like most of us. It's different if you're a factory assembly line worker and everybody has to be there at once for the line to roll, or a schoolteacher who's got to be there when class starts. (It's also different if you're a farmer and your cows are going to get up at dawn whatever time the clock says, but since most small farmers tend to also have town jobs, having dawn be later is a real pain.)

    So stop messing with everybody else's clocks and get your ass out of bed earlier if that's what you want to do. Real morning people do it anyway (as do people with little kids.) Non-morning people don't want to get up anyway, and often don't. It's only you half-assed morning people who insist on adjusting the clocks to pretend you're not getting up as early as you are.

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    1. Re:DST == Get Your Ass Out Of Bed Earlier by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2

      Yet another reason I'm glad I live in Arizona. We stay on Standard Time all year. None of this whacky time changing nonsense.

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  24. Re:Good for many, bad for some. by icebrain · · Score: 2

    I'm at work before dawn, DST or not. I'd rather have that extra hour of sunlight year-round, so I can actually try and do something productive when I get home.

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  25. Japanese quake helped by bobdevine · · Score: 2

    An early estimate of the 8.9 magnitude quake's effect on the planet shows it sped up rotation by about 1 microsecond.

    So all we need is enough huge earthquakes to change the day by an hour -- ergo, no more need for daylight saving time! Okay, there might be a few undesirable side-effects...