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DHS Chief Wants Better Algorithms For Analyzing Intelligence Data

coondoggie writes "Better algorithms to spot patterns and trends within the mass of information the Department of Homeland Security sees everyday are key to national security. That was but one of the talking points DHS chief Janet Napolitano focused on in a lecture on the role of science and technology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology today. 'DHS is part of the nation's Intelligence Community, which receives more terabytes of data each day than the entire text holdings of the Library of Congress. The National Counterterrorism Center's 24-hour Operations Center receives 8,000 to 10,000 pieces of counterterrorist information every day. We receive data about all of this, and it is clearly too much to suggest that the simplistic "connect the dots" analogy accurately represents what an analyst must do. Very quickly, you can see that "Big Data" – more so than the lack of data – becomes the most pressing problem. At the same time, the threats implicated by the data are not static.'"

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  1. Yeah right by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 2, Informative

    More like he wants to be able to sift through more people data and make files on every citizen faster, am I right?

    1. Re:Yeah right by el_tedward · · Score: 1

      An algorithm isn't going to give him access to any more information.

    2. Re:Yeah right by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      I never insinuated that they had any lack of data, only that they wanted to do it faster.

    3. Re:Yeah right by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 2

      Who's "he"?

    4. Re:Yeah right by el_tedward · · Score: 1

      Well, you said more people data, so I just assumed :p

    5. Re:Yeah right by el_tedward · · Score: 1

      The MAN

    6. Re:Yeah right by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      It seems that in my haste to post I made a few typographical errors. Please do not think less of me, I know that Napolitano is female.

    7. Re:Yeah right by kronosopher · · Score: 1

      I'd bet money that they do. This is a hub of terrorist propaganda as far as authoritarians are concerned.

    8. Re:Yeah right by click2005 · · Score: 2

      I suspect they want algorithms that will find more links between people. Guilty by association and all that.

      Hmmm. I wonder if 'six degrees of separation' works with terrorists. With better algorithms they can reduce it to five or even four.

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    9. Re:Yeah right by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      We have a winner!

    10. Re:Yeah right by Nikker · · Score: 1

      The only difference is you get to provide the data and sort it out too!

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    11. Re:Yeah right by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      It's not my fault that Buttle's heart condition didn't appear on Tuttle's file!

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    12. Re:Yeah right by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      Well. I don't know why they spend all this money to fight an imaginary enemy, when they could save more lives by using the same funding in securing the US nation's swimming pools.

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    13. Re:Yeah right by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      Who's "he"?

      This Janet Napolitano guy

    14. Re:Yeah right by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      Because they're crooks.

    15. Re:Yeah right by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      The Ministry of Love. They run Facebook and Google.

      Isn't that enough for them?

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    16. Re:Yeah right by kronosopher · · Score: 1

      Mistakes? We don't make mistakes.

    17. Re:Yeah right by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That points to the heart of the matter. Incompetent political appointees want computers to do their job for them so that they can take the credit.

      Better algorithms to sort filter and collate the data, how stupid can they be. The bigger and more complex the database the easier it is to poison it with false data. Once that false data is in, it make all sorts of false connections, and more false connections based upon those.

      Intelligence services do no need better algorithms, they need to dump contractors who make a living out of creating false data, they need to get rid of political appointees and most of all they need to quality manage data entering the system.

      The insanity of working from the basis that everyone is guilty and, stupidly thinking that somehow computers will sort that planet full of evidence you have created with the idiot's assumption that everyone is guilty, well, it just really points to what kind of fuck up the DHS chief is as well as the DHS itself.

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    18. Re:Yeah right by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      They also need to remove the incentive system for ID and apprehension.

      It will put an end to the set-up of mentally challenged patsies, as "terror cells".

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    19. Re:Yeah right by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      More like he wants to be able to sift through more people data and make files on every citizen faster, am I right?

      No.

      He wants to make files on everyone, citizen or non-citizen, who could potentially pose a threat.

      That isn't, of course, restricted to people who visit the United States.

      Oh, sorry, have I already included everyone who has been born? Better square-off the database by making allowance for every possible interaction too.

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  2. better agorithms by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, if the DHS Chief wants better algorithms for analyzing intelligence data, maybe he can have the department's funding cut, so more money can be put to use educating a generation of better students.

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    1. Re:better agorithms by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Man, that was a lot of typing with just one hand!

  3. Stop collecting so much data by vldragon · · Score: 1

    So they cast a net so large the boat sinks from the weight of the fish... Typical DHS.

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    1. Re:Stop collecting so much data by c0lo · · Score: 1

      So they cast a net so large the boat sinks from the weight of the fish... Typical DHS.

      Fish? Rather sand... so much sand they cannot find the fish in.

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  4. Here's an idea for you DHS geniuses by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Step One: cut down on the clutter. That means stop chasing after everyone in a turban or every angry blogger named Mohamed or Assad who criticizes your government or sticking GPS monitoring devices under their cars.

    There are two major reasons we've historically said NO to dragnets. They violate civil rights and they...surprise surprise!...clutter your intelligence channels with worthless drivel.

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    1. Re:Here's an idea for you DHS geniuses by jdogalt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      +1, my gut reaction as well, with the addition that there is a multiplication effect as the added violation of rights increases terrorist recruitment and motivation, with a corresponding increase in the amount of drivel and non-drivel entering your intelligence channels.

      It's the prisoner's dilemna as clear as day. If you don't start with trust and have a system that encourages more trust/liberty/privacy and the benefits of such, you don't end up with anywhere near the optimal outcome.
       

  5. napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorists by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    policy after policy is implementing her dream of a police state. traffic revenue cameras in Arizona when she was there. Naked scanners for the tsa. Pretty sure she is abusing patriot act powers. US Citizens need to take back their government

  6. Too much funding, not enough results by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The DHS has far too much funding if they have too much data and can't analyze it with current algorithms. And really, why do they need all this data in the first place? Chances are the vast majority of it is unconstitutional and shouldn't be collected to begin with.

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    1. Re:Too much funding, not enough results by plover · · Score: 2

      What would "enough results" be? Ten planes blown up? Five schools? Three office towers? That way next year we could try for only eight planes blown up, three schools, and one office tower. Gotta show "enough results", after all.

      I'd say that whatever powers they're abusing, the results are that they've not let a lot happen.

      The better question is: if they didn't have these abusive powers and massive budgets, what would their score be? Fifty blown up planes? Ten? Zero? We don't know, because those figures aren't made public. They are, however, shared with the politicians we elected, and whatever figures they are presenting are are compelling enough to get us to waste billions on proven useless and stupid ideas like backscatter scanners and virtual fences. And that's where I really get pissed off. The blown-up plane rate has been exactly zero since 9/11. Whatever they were doing for the previous nine years, they were doing without the half-billion dollars worth of backscatter machines, and it was quite obviously 100% effective.

      So what I really want to know is which of my chickenshit representatives are wasting my tax dollars on these useless pieces of shit, and how to get them the hell out of office, because with those votes the only possible rational explanation is corruption. Under Bush, the only legislation that wasn't pure corruption was pure ignorance, and Obama has carried that time-honored tradition forwards in the finest spirit of fear-mongering and palm-greasing Washington has ever seen. The Paultards frighten me with their right-wing Christian equal-hatred-for-all-but-straight-white-people bullshit, and the Tea-baggers are nothing but the wholly-owned highly paid shills of Faux News Inc. And the useless Left couldn't wipe their own asses without forming a tax-gathering ass-finding commission, and then they'd filibuster themselves until they were ankle deep in shit anyway.

      There isn't a single person in a Federal office that I want to be there any more. Not even the Supreme Court has my respect any more, not after granting corporations "free speech through election-buying". One-term-only term limits are sounding pretty damn good to me right now.

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  7. Charlie Eppes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean TV lied to me again and you can't foil terrorist plots by throwing data at a big shiny computer with lots of flashy light after all?

    1. Re:Charlie Eppes by qbast · · Score: 1

      No, it did not. After all there were no successful terrorist attacks in US for years, so that big shiny computer with lots of flashy lights must have foiled them all.

  8. It's understandable by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    What with monitoring all the nation's phone calls, that is a lot of data to sort through. Listening for keywords probably isn't enough.

    And yeah, I really do think they have automated systems that (attempt to) monitor all the phone calls made within the United States, as well as the more obvious targets of those going out from the US or coming in to the US. I can see of no other reason for some of the legislation they've pushed for these past several years.

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  9. Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist by Darkness404 · · Score: 1, Troll

    The PATRIOT act is an abuse of powers because it gives the government powers that are explicitly denied to them in the constitution.

    And we won't see US citizens taking back the government anytime soon, since all of them have become so dependent on the government for all their entitlements.

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  10. I'm glad. by FlapHappy · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this will be a big help in identifying and prosecuting copyright infringements.

    1. Re:I'm glad. by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      I'm sure it will help when they are sued by the RIAA for having that data or knowing where that data can be found, after all, if the Pirate Bay can be sued for linking to files that may or may not contain copyright infringements, why can't the DHS?

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    2. Re:I'm glad. by FlapHappy · · Score: 1

      Because that level of circular logic may eventually lead to a paradox that destroys the universe? Okay, maybe not, but when the DHS helps prosecute a case against the DHS I'll be really confused on who to root for.

  11. Google by binaryseraph · · Score: 1

    They should take a look at google's big querry.

  12. Alternative idea by c0lo · · Score: 1

    PI

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  13. Been there, done that by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We were working on some cool technology applicable to just this sort of problem back at a previous employer. Then 9/11 hit, management realized that the coming intelligence applications of this would put it on the ITAR list. Everything went into boxes and went offshore.

    The next time you wonder how credit card, telecom and various other marketing concerns can find you, find your friends and figure out who is likely to buy what, you'll know who to thank. There's more money in pushing junk at you than keeping you from being blown up.

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  14. Eliminating patterns by russotto · · Score: 1

    The problem isn't finding the patterns. Finding patterns is easy. Eliminating the majority of patterns which have no significant meaning, that's the hard part.

  15. Re:um... by PPH · · Score: 1

    Crowd source it.

    The same way we crack CAPTCHAs by showing some third world kid a fleeting glimpse of pr0n for every correct hit. We let the pervs look at the TSA nudie flicks and give them credits for every knife, gun, or baggie of weed they spot.

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  16. Uh, how is this.... by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

    ...not Big Brother slowly creeping upon us like in the novel "1984"? I guess if you institute it slowly enough, people just bend over and take it.

    1. Re:Uh, how is this.... by PaulBu · · Score: 2

      Because it's Big Sister, silly you! ;-/

      And yes, do it slowly is apparently a sure way to boil a live frog without it noticing, as well as making American public accept DHS and beyond.

      Paul B.

    2. Re:Uh, how is this.... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      I guess if you institute it slowly enough, people just bend over and take it.

      Well, all the books I've read about anal sex suggest starting slowly to help loosen things up before picking up pace and really having some fun. So it seems that most of our government leaders are just keen fans of, "The Complete Guide to Getting it On," and the like.

  17. Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    "since all of them have become so dependent on the government..."

    The point of (almost!) no return actually requires only more than half of them, nominally! BUT I still hope that the minority of liberty-loving people (both on antiwar Left and true conservative Right) can organize themselves better (without needing any "Community Organizers" :) ), and that there is still a chance to turn things around.

    But then, I have my signature, and you have yours, and neither changed the world just yet... ;-/

    Paul B.

  18. Re:um... by Seumas · · Score: 1

    No, they want to be able to sift through more information to steal domain's from people who index torrents or point to links to links to links of stuff so they can steal their property and libel them without any actual legal intervention or conviction, too!

  19. No problem by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    post what you have on /. and we'll tell you the patterns. Your data will be perfectly secure here, no-one ever reads the articles anyway.

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    1. Re:No problem by c0lo · · Score: 1
      TFA

      "We therefore cannot overstate the need for software engineers and information systems designers."

      So one has to wonder: isn't this what H1B visas are for?
      Alternatively, outsource it!! It's likely that she'll get plenty of algos equally worthless at a lower cost for the tax-payer.
      </tongue-in-cheek>

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    2. Re:No problem by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      That's funny - I thought there was a hiring freeze. Or does that just apply to border guards?

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  20. Better processing = Incentive for more collection by WhiteLudaFan · · Score: 1

    One side consequence of better processing will be that it will be more advantageous to collect even more data.

  21. Re:Uhmmmm by c0lo · · Score: 1

    Didn't lots of people say data mining for terrorism/"security" was ineffective?

    Define effectiveness. If defined in terms of "Better salary, job security and employment for DHS" - this is highly effective.

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  22. Searching In the Wrong Place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    DHS acts like the proverbial drunk searching for his dropped keys under a lamppost despite having dropped them in a darkened alleyway. Rather than scanning every word passed over electronic media they should have agents in the field doing investigations and talking to people who may have information. There is no substitute for human intelligence ("intelligence" as in "intelligence collection", although it appears that DHS has neither form of the term in excess).

    So I suggest that DHS get off their collective fat asses, sitting in front of terminals, drinking Starbuck's lattes, and looking up their neighbor's wife's bra size and instead learn some useful foreign languages, circulate among foreigners and domestic groups of interest, and get to the source of the problem.

  23. Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Despite the fact that this was started under a Republican President with Republican majorities in both houses and that it's primarily Republicans agitating for more and more invasive measures? Sure the Democrats have managed to fuck this up pretty good, but let's be honest about when and how this started.

  24. sounds like a job for watson by russ1337 · · Score: 1

    sounds like a job for Watson - or at least a slightly modified version.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(artificial_intelligence_software)

    I guess they could re-use that hand which is currently used to press the buzzer to, say, feel your balls when you opt out of the x-ray.

    1. Re:sounds like a job for watson by Xoblau · · Score: 1

      Or nnatch: http://nnatch.com/

  25. Less QQ, More pew-pew. by faedle · · Score: 2

    In all seriousness. DHS would do us all a whole better if they concentrated on conventional "police work" investigations, and less on fancy shit like warrantless wiretaps and X-ray backscatter arrays that don't work.

    Our security apparatus had all the details they needed to make the connection before, and failed to see it not because they lacked some fancy algorithm, but people "in charge" didn't listen to the street operatives, and political infighting between organizations: which (hey, guess what Interplanet Janet!) DHS' very existance was supposed to solve.

    So what she's saying is, "we suck, give us more money." Sorry, fix what you have first, Janet.

  26. GOLDSTEINISM! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    It MUST be pulled out, BY THE ROOT!

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  27. Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    There won't be a revolution. America has televisions. It's just so much easier to grumble about the government online than it is to actually do something that matters.

  28. law enforcement types by Weezul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If there's one fucking thing we've learned recently, it's that law enforcement types are god awful fucking gullible when they think they're listening to their own kind. We've hard proof that the Egyptian secret police carried out two major terrorists attacks inside Egypt and blamed their own country. And western intelligence services just blindly believed their lies. We understand how the evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq was entirely & purely focally fabricated by Iraqi ex-pat living in Germany. We even had some asshat put his wife on the no fly list when she was outside the country.

    We obviously cannot trust our law enforcement and intelligence services without serious judicial oversight. In particular, we cannot trust the buffoons hoping that 'better algorithm' will give them some pre-crime detector. Instead, they'll just harass more innocent people based upon imaginary plots and connections.

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    1. Re:law enforcement types by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      We understand how the evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq was entirely & purely focally fabricated by Iraqi ex-pat living in Germany. We even had some asshat put his wife on the no fly list when she was outside the country.
      Well, there was this whole incident to provide evidence for chemical weapons. And the wife thing is just funny, even more so if the mother-in-law also ended up on the no-fly list.

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    2. Re:law enforcement types by radtea · · Score: 1

      Well, there was this whole incident [wikipedia.org] to provide evidence for chemical weapons

      Remind me again how a chemical weapons attack fifteen years ago provides evidence of chemical weapons today, after a decade of ongoing dismantlement and inspection of the defunct Iraqi chemical weapons program?

      "Plausibility" is not "evidence".

      Going to war based on a plausble but unproven suposition is a crime against humanity.

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  29. Less surveillance, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just don't gather so much data. That makes for a friendlier community.

  30. Naturally! by cocoajunkie · · Score: 2

    Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

  31. That's too hard for them... by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    That means stop chasing after everyone in a turban or every angry blogger named Mohamed or Assad who criticizes your government or sticking GPS monitoring devices under their cars.

    Mohamed and Assad the blogger are easier targets than groups like CAIR with their vast funding from foreign sources and media exposure. The Islamic community in the US is a target-rich environment for real counter-terrorism and intelligence operations because there are so many Saudi and Iranian-funded groups of dubious or outright illegality working behind the scenes.

    It's not even the dude screaming "Allah Akbar" and "Death to Israel and the US" on Youtube that should scare anyone. It's the guys in the suits, working for the NGOs and "charities" that are fronts for radical Islamic groups in the Middle East. Every moderate Muslim writing on the subject I've seen points out that the commanding heights of the American Islamic community are increasingly controlled by these foreign sources.

    The tragedy of this situation is that liberals are attacking Peter King who is the only member of Congress with the stones to even raise real questions about the radicalization. The left is living in denial by blaming it exclusively on its usual hobbyhorses: poverty, discrimination and US foreign policy. While those are certainly factors, the left is openly in denial about the fact that there are powerful groups in the Middle East that want to radicalize the US Muslim community and turn it into a weapon against the US (which causes suffering to Americans, Muslim and non-Muslim).

  32. Sitting in offices. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it would be better to focus on intelligence gathering that requires them to leave their comfortable offices.
    Sitting and essentially browsing the data of the internet is a nice way to spend the day, but I know as well as anyone that you don't get a lot of work done.

  33. Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Some of us are quite clear on when and how this started. Please dispel your own delusions.

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  34. Google Can Help! by Ancantus · · Score: 1

    Post it on the internet, I am sure Google will be more than happy to index all your information for you.

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  35. Were doomed by TideX · · Score: 1

    Department of Homeland Security actually getting something done? Oh dear god no.

  36. Dumb Politician by omb · · Score: 1

    Napolitano is just one more of the long like of elected idiots who understand neither technology or their
    job, which is (military) Intelegence and are trying to use computers in exactly the wrong way. Empirical
    Computer modeling and 'tell-me-what-is-going-on' are beyond modern technology.

    Hunches and good intuition is presently reserved to the people, and all this anti-profiling, security theatre
    and techno babble just gets in the way of having a small team of expert investigators in FBI and CIA and
    also the national intellegence agencies of UK and Europe eg DSGE, BND. these staff need to work directly
    to their director and have direct and immediate access to the Sec HS and Justice.

    The need all to be arabic speaking and knowledgeable in the Quran and Hadit, they need to have had
    field experience.

    A course with ShinBet wouldn't hurt.

  37. Too much data... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    Gee, maybe they just shouldn't collect so much? Rather than shotgun everything, why are they not being more judicious with what it is that they are monitoring?

  38. DHS = PHB by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Pointy Haired Bureau

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  39. nice by srirainbow · · Score: 1

    its very interesting And thought provoking