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ICANN Approves .XXX

lothos writes "Pornography will have its own top-level domain, dot-XXX, the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers decided today." Ars Technica has a short but thoroughly-linked article tracing some of the long history (in Internet time) behind the push for .xxx. See also ICANN's announcement of the approval, and — for all the juicy details — the rationale behind the decision (PDF).

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  1. Re:It's a good decision by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    Yeah Bing should turn up those .xxx domains shortly after Google does...

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  2. Re:A 21 exploding head salute by mr100percent · · Score: 2

    Not really, the argument was that it would make filtering slightly simpler in the future by blocking the entire TLD (as well as existing .com porn sites). I don't think conservatives would have a problem with that.

  3. 5..4...3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Countdown to criminalization of all non-.xxx porn.

    1. Re:5..4...3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So what if someone were to use some .xxx sites for non-porn? Will this to be illegal too?

    2. Re:5..4...3... by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Countdown to criminalization of all non-.xxx porn.

      Well I agree that soft porn SHOULD be criminal... oh wait

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    3. Re:5..4...3... by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please STFU. What is and is not porn is very hard to define and your ideas will only result in more and more violations of peoples rights to free speech.

    4. Re:5..4...3... by Lifyre · · Score: 2

      How does "A website with a primary or secondary purpose of providing entertainment through real or simulated erotic media. Erotic includes but is not limited to exposed genitals and sexual acts. Media includes but is not limited to images, videos, and audio files."

      Not perfect, will certainly be abused, but could be a starting point for something like this. I don't think 4chan should be forced on to .xxx but tube8 probably could be.

      Or people could just leave it the hell alone, we have a new TLD that can provide an easy way to sort things should people want to.

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    5. Re:5..4...3... by blair1q · · Score: 2

      All you'd have to do first is define "porn" (and by that, I mean defining it a whole lot more objectively than a former Supreme Court Justice when his answer was: "I'll know it when I see it!")

      Well, no, you don't.

      Before the Internet, porn was confined to stores specializing in it, and to controlled locations in stores. Everyone knew what not to put out on the magazine rack where the nanny-squad could imagine a child getting his hands on it. And the definition was pretty much what you quoted there.

      They still do it that way out in brick-and-mortar land. Just nobody notices the porn out there any more, because we're all inured to it by the mass quantities available in plain sight on the Interwebs.

    6. Re:5..4...3... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Bullshit, this is like saying that free speech in a free speech zone is good enough. The constitution seems to indicate the whole nation is a free speech zone.

    7. Re:5..4...3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How does "A website with a primary or secondary purpose of providing entertainment through real or simulated erotic media. Erotic includes but is not limited to exposed genitals and sexual acts. Media includes but is not limited to images, videos, and audio files."

      Pathetic.

      • Your primary purpose and secondary purpose wording is vague. Is blogger.com a website or is each individual account a website? Because it's clear that neither the primary nor secondary purpose of Blogger is porn and yet it's clear that many individual blogs hosted there are dedicated to that purpose. Hell, it could even be argued that Playboy doesn't meet your definition because a large portion of their site is dedicated to other forms of entertainment for men and the media that's available for free is mostly topless-only solo stuff that doesn't meet your definition of erotic media.)
      • By your definition of erotic, this would be porn. As would just about every Hollwood sex scene, since it's a simulated sexual act.
      • Audio files, really? Can you seriously make a case for any audio-only file being classified as porn?

      Way to go there champ, I think you nailed it.

    8. Re:5..4...3... by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's more like bitching that because a cinema kicks you out when you start making a political speech in the middle of a movie, your free speech is being abridged. You can say whatever you want, but nobody has to provide you with a forum to say it.

      Are you complaining because you're not allowed to put your blog on .mil, .gov, .edu? The situation is just the same.

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    9. Re:5..4...3... by Lifyre · · Score: 2

      I was thinking along the lines of percentage of content not intent of the material. So if erotic material was in the top 2 as a percentage of content then it would qualify.

      As I said it would very easily be abused. Especially if you talk about a retailer like Victoria's Secret.

      I personally don't think we needed .xxx but don't have an issue with it existing either.

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    10. Re:5..4...3... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Yes, but internationally the definition varies and is .xxx really .xxx.us? Of course we agree on certain things but let's take this BluRay as example. In Germany that's ok for 16+ year olds, it's not pornography which has an 18yo limit. Would you sell this to a 16yo in the US? My impression would be no.

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    11. Re:5..4...3... by EdIII · · Score: 2

      It godamn better be.

      If I type in thousandislanddressing.xxx into a web browser I am not looking for salad recipes.

    12. Re:5..4...3... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      what about my rights to have a clean search

      'Clean' is only specific to your personal beliefs. The world cannot accommodate 7 billion different views on the Web (at least yet). Besides, you're talking about so-called 'positive rights' which demand the labor of others, for free. That's slavery and morally reprehensible.

      and not have to worry about my children seeing things that I don't want them to see.

      Oh, I see, you want somebody else to do the parenting for you. Cripes, subscribe to some whitelist software if that's what you want.

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    13. Re:5..4...3... by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am not looking for salad recipes

      I'm guessing you would be more interested in the term as it applies to "tossing."

      Good heavens, a Slashdot article where that's actually on topic... what is the world coming to?

  4. At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always had trouble finding porn on the internet before, what with there being so little of it out there. This will make it so much easier to find now! Thanks Internet!

  5. Re:It's a good decision by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?

    Wait... have you cornered the eye-bleach market?

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  6. Re:It's a good decision by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even while the porn sites most likely won't move from .com or .net

    I wouldn't be so sure. The porn sites, from what I've heard, want to be in a .xxx domain so that they can be blocked more easily. Why? Because that gives them protection against future bills like COPA that would be much more burdensome for them.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a lot of porn sites will continue to maintain their .com or .net domains, but I'd imagine they will quickly be modified so that each page redirects you to the same page in the .xxx domain. It's easy enough to set up a web server to do that.

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  7. Fucking stupid morons by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This accomplishes only a few things that I can see:
    1. Puts pressure on all sorts of sites to operate only under a .xxx domain whenever a loud enough moral group insist that it should be categorised as dirty.
    2. Falsely creates a sense of safety amongst idiots who think they can block .xxx and filter out "the bad stuff".
    3. Creates a sense of unjustified expectation amongst a different set of idiots who immediately decide that just because ICANN has created this TLD, that any site they deem improper that operates outside the hierarchy is engaged in some terrible underhandedness for daring to do so, trying to expose innocent people to their content.
    4. Instantly tars anyone who visits a site in .xxx domain in the eyes of moralisers and authority groups, regardless of whether the site is donkeyporn.xxx or just some site that was pushed to register under .xxx because it deals with mature topics.
    5. Creates artificial segregation along lines decided by minority moral bodies. I.e. sexual content has to be treated differently. We don't have a separate TLD for religion, or science - why must sex be so treated?
    6. Make pot loads of money for ICANN and registrars everywhere.

    I'll leave it to the reader to consider how that last consequence was balanced against the others...

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    1. Re:Fucking stupid morons by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      It does one more thing.

      7. You can finally spell goatse.xxx right

    2. Re:Fucking stupid morons by the_womble · · Score: 2

      I think consequence no 6 "Make pot loads of money for ICANN and registrars everywhere. " is what they are after.

      I cannot see effective criminalisation of porn on non-XXX domains: too many free speech issues, and there will be well funded push-back from established sites that use other TLDs.

      You are going to see all the porn sites on .xxx in the same way that all businesses use .biz or all airlines use .aero

  8. For ALL the juicy details? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

    and — for all the juicy details — the rationale behind the decision (PDF).

    I take it there are pictures?

  9. Get ready for new proposal from the feds by mysidia · · Score: 2

    Ban of porn web sites and e-mail senders not properly labelled under the .XXX TLD.

  10. Re:It's a decision by knarfling · · Score: 4, Informative

    Should have looked closer. The June 2010 was only a preliminary decision. Took That long for the debate to make a final decision.

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  11. TLD for Financial Transactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd really like to see ICANN create a TLD limited to banking sites and online stores the way .edu and .gov cannot be registered by any old scammer. I think that would do a lot in the way of preventing phishing. Few people understand the concept of security certificates and even fewer know why a self signed certificate is bad. ID theft and fraud seems to be a more important issue than preventing a 12 year old from seeing the human body due to a stigma based off 2000 year old mythology.

    1. Re:TLD for Financial Transactions by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Note to grammar nazis - yes I said "is" instead of "are", because I changed the sentence from singular to plural then hit submit, before remembering I forgot to change the verb. Also - fuck you.

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    2. Re:TLD for Financial Transactions by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I often wonder exactly what it was that drove people to wear clothes

      Run around naked through the woods and you'll quickly discover clothing is quite usefull.
      I especially recommend thornbushes for maximum educational value.
      Even if you don't want to put on shorts or a shirt, atleast get something to protect the dangling bits.

      Seriously though, I think a lot of it is down to status; clothing demonstrates wealth hence people want clothing.
      These days everybody has clothing, so we created artificial status through expensive clothing brands, and those seem to be quite popular as well.

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    3. Re:TLD for Financial Transactions by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's actually a really good idea, until I stand up my fake TLD server and steal half the internet away from their usual .bank sites, around which they no longer do any sort of shoulder-checking when they enter security information.

    4. Re:TLD for Financial Transactions by 30F06950 · · Score: 2

      .uk has TLD for incorporated companies (which in the UK are suchandsuch Ltd, or blahblah Plc - or their equivalents in at least welsh)

      Those are .ltd.uk and .plc.uk. You get one domain that matches up with the registered name of your company.

      Those domains basically don't get used. For one, they aren't widely known even to exist. For another the "high street" trading name of a company often doesn't match up with the name under which you're trading - (eg subway would get doctorsassociates.inc - *not* subway.inc)

  12. The Porn Industry Won't Go For It by TheRedDuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And for one simple reason: if every porn site on the planet has the same domain, every ISP/college/corporation/consumer router who doesn't want their clients/students/employees/family members viewing this material will just block it. Heck, as soon as I get to work on Monday, I'm going to update our firewall and IPS settings. No sane operation trying to make money on pornography is going to touch this domain with a 10ft [stripper] pole.

    1. Re:The Porn Industry Won't Go For It by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      You're funny. One, most people who are browsing porn will not stand for a service that cuts out what they want to do and businesses will be happy to sell them service. In the end, teenagers and people at work, neither of which are paying for the service, would be the ones blocked. Two, sane operations will scoop up all the good name space they can. Domain names are cheap and something like sex.xxx will be worth millions no matter how many people try and block it. Not to mention that it doesn't have to be the only domain name pointing to their porn filled servers. They'll have their .xxx domain and their .com domain which will all go to the web server through whatever methods keeps it from being blacklisted if one or the other happens to be on a black list.

    2. Re:The Porn Industry Won't Go For It by blair1q · · Score: 2

      wait. you think a router gives a damn about the name of a site?

      doesn't do you any good to resolve a name to an IP address if packets containing the IP address get spilled on onan's floor

    3. Re:The Porn Industry Won't Go For It by TheRedDuke · · Score: 2

      You're funny.

      I know - it's not often I can work a stripper joke into a /. post. I'll be here all week!

    4. Re:The Porn Industry Won't Go For It by msauve · · Score: 2

      You don't know how blocking based on a DNS name works, do you? It is done by firewalls, not routers. The only way to know what IP addresses to block is to do an rDNS on it, or have a frequently updated list. One could also do L4-7 inspection, but that too is easily defeated.

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  13. Re:It's a good decision by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft shill. And this guy's a professional. He gets first posts with alarming frequency, and when he gets modded down, huge numbers of mod points are spent to mod him back up, so he's either running karma whore accounts or he's part of a group.

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  14. Re:It's a good decision by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

    Viablos is a sock puppet of devxo, a Microsoft shill.

  15. Re:yay by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not going for .xxx. I figure porn is a business so I'm using .com until they do it right and I can use .cum.

  16. ICANN Approves .XXX by MrKevvy · · Score: 2

    I can approves it too, LoLCat. Your point?

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  17. Re:A 21 exploding head salute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    More like exploding heads in the opposition's mouth. Let's try to keep this discussion on-topic!

  18. Enforcement? by Monoman · · Score: 2

    They don't enforce the intended purposes of most of the other domains so what is the point besides another way to generate money?

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  19. ICANN has XXX? by LSD-OBS · · Score: 2

    ICAME

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  20. Re:It's a good decision by Gerzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is the next push will probably be to force porn sites to move to .xxx and institute general blocking measures.

    Also what goes on .xxx, well if it regulated that 'pornographic' sites must be on .xxx and no where else then it will be anything that can be passed as porno from gangbangs to gay and lesbian forums, to sexual health advice.

  21. Re:A 21 exploding head salute by Gerzel · · Score: 2

    by forcing what there is already to move to the new.

  22. everyfamouspersoneverknown.xxx by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait till someone registers $firstname$lastname.xxx .... of their least favorite politician. When they come along and say "hey you're domain squatting my name" you can make sure there is heaps of publicity about them wanting to register their .xxx domain.

    this will have absolutely no unintended consequences and certainly wont be abused [/sarcasm]

  23. Re:It's a good decision by Seumas · · Score: 2

    The great internet nerfing of 2011+, where we sanitize everything for the safety of pwecious wittle eyes has finally begun. Next step is to enforce a requirement that all "obscene" content be moved to xxx (and we all know how "obscene" is so loosely and meaninglessly defined). After that, simply using vulgar language or questionable images and comments online becomes a crime of corrupting a minor. Someome, please monitor my children as I'm incapable of parenting and accepting the world for what it is! Change everything to fit around my pwecious wittle baby!

  24. I guess you could say... by chemicaldave · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it's coming.

  25. Re:Can't resist... by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

    And the fq in fqdn!

  26. Sorry, you don't have that "right". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    Violation of free speech? what about my rights to have a clean search and not have to worry about my children seeing things that I don't want them to see.

    Sorry. You don't have that "right". The rights to free speech and a free press take precedence.

    Free speech and press were recognized because interfering with them interferes with peaceful removal of tyrannical regimes, leading to more tyranny on one hand and more violence when they finally do get replaced on the other. Give tyrants ANY excuse to suppress speech or press and they'll use it to hobble their political opposition.

    Further: The internet, like printing, was created by adults for adults. You don't let your toddlers wander alone in the part of town that includes porn shops and bars. Why should the internet be any different? Minding your kids is YOUR responsibility. Trying to kid-proof the whole world is not an acceptable substitute. Do it yourself, hire it done, or teach your kids (once they can handle it) how to handle the "bad stuff" responsibly rather than trying to shield them from it.

    The .xxx domain provides the equivalent of zoning, establishing an "area of town" where the porn stores can set up voluntarily. Seems to me that's a move in the right direction.

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  27. Re:Stupid morons by grilled-cheese · · Score: 2

    You also forgot that legitimate businesses will be buying up the .xxx domains as fast as possible to prevent others tarnishing their name (Google.xxx, Yahoo.xxx, Bing.xxx, Oracle.xxx, etc.). If establishing a serious presence on the internet, I suspect that some companies buy all the TLD they can get for a domain for future proofing too.

  28. Re:A 21 exploding head salute by zarthrag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The Bush administration is objecting to the creation of a .xxx domain, saying it has concerns about a virtual red-light district reserved exclusively for Internet pornography." http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-5833764.html

    One of many, I'm sure. The conservative arguments about porn have historically been contrary to common sense. When it comes to sex, giving kids access to condoms and vaccines against STDs is immoral, but teaching abstinence and watching the teen pregnancy rate soar is just fine. With porn, it's easier to deny that it exists (or place the burden of filtering upon ISPs, or grant the govt the power to snoop through your internet records to search for pedo material) than it is to simply allow them all to (voluntairly!) migrate to an easily filtered domain.

    What's sad, virtually everyone else - ESPECIALLY THE INDUSTRY - wants this. Few people are *trying* to show that stuff to children. Only the producers of (highly ineffective) blocking software stands to lose here.

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