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ICANN Approves .XXX
lothos writes "Pornography will have its own top-level domain, dot-XXX, the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers decided today." Ars Technica has a short but thoroughly-linked article tracing some of the long history (in Internet time) behind the push for .xxx. See also ICANN's announcement of the approval, and — for all the juicy details — the rationale behind the decision (PDF).
Yeah Bing should turn up those .xxx domains shortly after Google does...
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I guess you did not put much thought into this comment.
liqbase
Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?
No, we can't.
"However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."
Protip: Check his post history
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
"Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?"
OH GOD MY EYES
Not really, the argument was that it would make filtering slightly simpler in the future by blocking the entire TLD (as well as existing .com porn sites). I don't think conservatives would have a problem with that.
Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?
I don't think I want to know what Cowboy Neil looks like nude...
And I assure you, you don't want to know what I look like!
Countdown to criminalization of all non-.xxx porn.
Really? You sure about that? Not just putting words in the opposition's mouth, as happens so often these days?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I always had trouble finding porn on the internet before, what with there being so little of it out there. This will make it so much easier to find now! Thanks Internet!
Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?
Wait... have you cornered the eye-bleach market?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
It's spelled Icahn. And really, who doesn't?
Then www.f*ck.com will once again become available.
Yay. I'm bidding.
Btw, could we have slashdot.xxx, where slashdot users can upload their nude pictures?
No, we can't.
You mean no we won't.
I wouldn't be so sure. The porn sites, from what I've heard, want to be in a .xxx domain so that they can be blocked more easily. Why? Because that gives them protection against future bills like COPA that would be much more burdensome for them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a lot of porn sites will continue to maintain their .com or .net domains, but I'd imagine they will quickly be modified so that each page redirects you to the same page in the .xxx domain. It's easy enough to set up a web server to do that.
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It is an old decision. I had a look at the article and saw that it was dated June 10, 2010. /. back in June. .xxx domains, but if /. is not aware of them by now, how much can they be used?
It was also posted on
Haven't really looked for any
On the other hand, it took nine months for the dupe to show up. Coincidence?
Great civilizations have lived and died on false theories. Don't mess up mine with a few facts.
This accomplishes only a few things that I can see: .xxx domain whenever a loud enough moral group insist that it should be categorised as dirty. .xxx and filter out "the bad stuff". .xxx domain in the eyes of moralisers and authority groups, regardless of whether the site is donkeyporn.xxx or just some site that was pushed to register under .xxx because it deals with mature topics.
1. Puts pressure on all sorts of sites to operate only under a
2. Falsely creates a sense of safety amongst idiots who think they can block
3. Creates a sense of unjustified expectation amongst a different set of idiots who immediately decide that just because ICANN has created this TLD, that any site they deem improper that operates outside the hierarchy is engaged in some terrible underhandedness for daring to do so, trying to expose innocent people to their content.
4. Instantly tars anyone who visits a site in
5. Creates artificial segregation along lines decided by minority moral bodies. I.e. sexual content has to be treated differently. We don't have a separate TLD for religion, or science - why must sex be so treated?
6. Make pot loads of money for ICANN and registrars everywhere.
I'll leave it to the reader to consider how that last consequence was balanced against the others...
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
Time for the gold rush. dibs on yourmom.xxx
and — for all the juicy details — the rationale behind the decision (PDF).
I take it there are pictures?
Ban of porn web sites and e-mail senders not properly labelled under the .XXX TLD.
goatse.xxx anyone???
Or perhaps horsese.xxx is more your fancy!
Should have looked closer. The June 2010 was only a preliminary decision. Took That long for the debate to make a final decision.
Great civilizations have lived and died on false theories. Don't mess up mine with a few facts.
I'd really like to see ICANN create a TLD limited to banking sites and online stores the way .edu and .gov cannot be registered by any old scammer. I think that would do a lot in the way of preventing phishing. Few people understand the concept of security certificates and even fewer know why a self signed certificate is bad. ID theft and fraud seems to be a more important issue than preventing a 12 year old from seeing the human body due to a stigma based off 2000 year old mythology.
And for one simple reason: if every porn site on the planet has the same domain, every ISP/college/corporation/consumer router who doesn't want their clients/students/employees/family members viewing this material will just block it. Heck, as soon as I get to work on Monday, I'm going to update our firewall and IPS settings. No sane operation trying to make money on pornography is going to touch this domain with a 10ft [stripper] pole.
Microsoft shill. And this guy's a professional. He gets first posts with alarming frequency, and when he gets modded down, huge numbers of mod points are spent to mod him back up, so he's either running karma whore accounts or he's part of a group.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It's not like it could be any more awful than idle.
But we already have goatse - what more do you want?
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Viablos is a sock puppet of devxo, a Microsoft shill.
CowboyNeal
Picture the Tron guy, then ask that question again.
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if you've seen goatse, you've seen cowboy neil.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I can approves it too, LoLCat. Your point?
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More like exploding heads in the opposition's mouth. Let's try to keep this discussion on-topic!
would make filtering slightly simpler in the future by blocking the entire TLD (as well as existing .com porn sites)
How does blocking something new, in addition to what you're blocking already, make filtering easier?
sic transit gloria mundi
They don't enforce the intended purposes of most of the other domains so what is the point besides another way to generate money?
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
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The problem is the next push will probably be to force porn sites to move to .xxx and institute general blocking measures.
Also what goes on .xxx, well if it regulated that 'pornographic' sites must be on .xxx and no where else then it will be anything that can be passed as porno from gangbangs to gay and lesbian forums, to sexual health advice.
by forcing what there is already to move to the new.
Wait till someone registers $firstname$lastname.xxx .... of their least favorite politician. When they come along and say "hey you're domain squatting my name" you can make sure there is heaps of publicity about them wanting to register their .xxx domain.
this will have absolutely no unintended consequences and certainly wont be abused [/sarcasm]
I guess ICAAN is helping put the STD in the sTLD!
/ducks
Yikes! I doubt that more than 0,01 percent of the /. readers will want to see nude images of other /. users, even when you ignore the 95% that would upload a goatse picture.
Shouldn't that be eaten by some Kathleen already?
goatse'd by CowboyNeal?
The great internet nerfing of 2011+, where we sanitize everything for the safety of pwecious wittle eyes has finally begun. Next step is to enforce a requirement that all "obscene" content be moved to xxx (and we all know how "obscene" is so loosely and meaninglessly defined). After that, simply using vulgar language or questionable images and comments online becomes a crime of corrupting a minor. Someome, please monitor my children as I'm incapable of parenting and accepting the world for what it is! Change everything to fit around my pwecious wittle baby!
That just leads to a page wanting me to leave a comment without any subject to comment on, while hindering me to do that with a stupid captcha. No naked people there. WTF?
...it's coming.
Then why are the conservatives so much against .xxx?
As long as sites voluntarily choose to segregate themselves, I doubt that any forcing will occur. To that end, it's in the best interest of the 'net for sites to be self-policing. When the 'net isn't, then government tends to step in and make a mess of things.
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What ISP really filters Usenet (in terms of restricting access to certain newsgroups although they are offered by your Usenet provider)? It's not an ISP's duty to run a Usenet server.
tl;dr: ICANN grew up, and recognized just because they don't have unanimous support on a TLD being suitable, doesn't me they should block it. Oh, and the fees collected for the domains are better than a sharp stick in the eye.
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Microsoft shill.
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This is a bad decision.This is the wrong direction. Approve .kids as a TLD. .xxx only creates a percieved value that the rest of the Internet is safe. But local regulations and laws vary so much it will never be able to be enforced. And on top of that you have created a gold mine where the registrar of .xxx can charge whatever the want, domains will have conflicts registering in the one .xxx tld where in the rest of the Internet they have the same mark for different organizations in .net and .com, etc.
.kids domain the registrar can be held liable for policing the registrations they allow. And you simply limit the kids to .kids TLD. That does force major sites to have a kid safe version of representative content. Of course, again, laws vary worldwide on whats acceptable.
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By having a
The most responsible action would be for parents to take control and responsibility for their kids actions on the Internet. It is not too tough. And it is their role to guide their child's development.
To pass this to government is akin to "It takes a village to raise an idiot."
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Perhaps it can be attributed to the ICANN not understanding sex as a business, or, well, sex at all
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I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
I think they should completely open it up so anyone can register any tld they like.
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Isn't the GP's point similar to the idea that the new US dollar bills with the larger portraits and watermarks are supposed to discourage counterfitting. If merchants and banks are still accepting the old, easier to counterfit bills, then counterfitters will just print those instead of the newer ones...
No need to force them. They will need to grab the .xxx anyway or somebody else will get it. Then they put the content on the .xxx and keep the .com with the page blank or non-pornographic.
We all get to help, if we use such sites by abstaining from using any site with a live .com and only go to the .xxx. No force required, but the effect would be the same. I do not find porn offensive in general, but I do not feel children should have access. Having a .xxx domain would make filtering for kids a hell of a lot more successful. Plus, that benefits such sites by taking away the "for the children" reasoning to ban all Internet porn.
The .xxx domain saga has been going longer than Duke Nukem Forever's release date. What a year this is, to see both .xxx come to fruition and an actual release date for DNF - both in the same year even!
Suppose next we'll get a black president or something. [Imagine Doc Brown if Marty would've been from now instead of 1985. Think having an actor for a president was strange...]
That would be exceptionally foolish. Because a future step is for ISPs to block .xxx by default, requiring users to explicitly opt-in to have access to it. And that would be death for any site on the domain.
Not really, the argument was that it would make filtering slightly simpler in the future by blocking the entire TLD (as well as existing .com porn sites). I don't think conservatives would have a problem with that.
If you think they are going to stop there, you haven't been paying attention.
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Even back in the early 90ies, I saw my ISP in the role of providing me access to the Internet, and nothing else. That most of them provided Usenet, email, and other services, was a nice add-on, but not part of the deal.
What's "artist merit" about non-consensual stories involving 17-year olds?
The porn sites, from what I've heard, want to be in a .xxx domain so that they can be blocked more easily. Why? Because that gives them protection against future bills like COPA that would be much more burdensome for them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a lot of porn sites will continue to maintain their .com or .net domains, but I'd imagine they will quickly be modified so that each page redirects you to the same page in the .xxx domain. It's easy enough to set up a web server to do that.
This must be why many members of the porn industry showed up to protest.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Violation of free speech? what about my rights to have a clean search and not have to worry about my children seeing things that I don't want them to see.
Sorry. You don't have that "right". The rights to free speech and a free press take precedence.
Free speech and press were recognized because interfering with them interferes with peaceful removal of tyrannical regimes, leading to more tyranny on one hand and more violence when they finally do get replaced on the other. Give tyrants ANY excuse to suppress speech or press and they'll use it to hobble their political opposition.
Further: The internet, like printing, was created by adults for adults. You don't let your toddlers wander alone in the part of town that includes porn shops and bars. Why should the internet be any different? Minding your kids is YOUR responsibility. Trying to kid-proof the whole world is not an acceptable substitute. Do it yourself, hire it done, or teach your kids (once they can handle it) how to handle the "bad stuff" responsibly rather than trying to shield them from it.
The .xxx domain provides the equivalent of zoning, establishing an "area of town" where the porn stores can set up voluntarily. Seems to me that's a move in the right direction.
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I don't care that they're porn. I'm more interested in seeing that they're in demand. Instead of selling domains to the first person that comes along, will they do something like an auction on them?
God spoke to me.
Citation? If anything, there is a call by some social conservatives to shove all porn to .xxx domains so they can be easily filtered, and another more libertarian call to not have the government mess with the internet.
Wasn't it that so many of your republicans being so opposite to .xxx because that would make "smut" somehow legitimate?
again, citation? Never heard that before
You also forgot that legitimate businesses will be buying up the .xxx domains as fast as possible to prevent others tarnishing their name (Google.xxx, Yahoo.xxx, Bing.xxx, Oracle.xxx, etc.). If establishing a serious presence on the internet, I suspect that some companies buy all the TLD they can get for a domain for future proofing too.
There's a restaurant local to me - http://www.dadeo.ca/ the best part is "Dadeo Diner & Bar" ... "& Bar". No-one under 18 is allowed. So you got great food and no kids. Zero, zilch, nada. The same will hopefully be true for .xxx, imagine an entire set of websites with no kids.....
I think .xxx might work out quite well.
"The Bush administration is objecting to the creation of a .xxx domain, saying it has concerns about a virtual red-light district reserved exclusively for Internet pornography."
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-5833764.html
One of many, I'm sure. The conservative arguments about porn have historically been contrary to common sense. When it comes to sex, giving kids access to condoms and vaccines against STDs is immoral, but teaching abstinence and watching the teen pregnancy rate soar is just fine. With porn, it's easier to deny that it exists (or place the burden of filtering upon ISPs, or grant the govt the power to snoop through your internet records to search for pedo material) than it is to simply allow them all to (voluntairly!) migrate to an easily filtered domain.
What's sad, virtually everyone else - ESPECIALLY THE INDUSTRY - wants this. Few people are *trying* to show that stuff to children. Only the producers of (highly ineffective) blocking software stands to lose here.
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
My ISP still offers Usenet thankfully (including binaries with >500 days retention). Though I do admit its one of a dying breed. :(
But, your honour, I was surfing barelylegal.com not barelylegal.xxx .
Surely someone will succeed with such a flea bargain.
P.S. It's amazing how much markup is conveyed by tone of voice.
I was tempted to mod you up, but "free speech" and "free read" are not the same thing. In this case "free speech" would be to be allowed to post one's nude or xxx pictures, which to my knowledge is still not illegal (except in Facebook and other sterilized environments).
I guess you're entitled to read however you want - but I did address winter in my post. But that was near the bottom and I guess your attention span had expired long before then.
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Porn sites are already established. They are not going to move unless they are new, can grab a better name if they're quick, or they are forced to move by law.
I don't believe he can be a shill. It's just too bone-headed. More like a False Flag agent. Reasons? Idiocy like ramming Bing references into an irrelevant post. I actually use Bing as my default, but I don't go around saying: "hey - just bing it!" for the very simple reason it sounds STOOPID!
;). I think this one is also unlikely again because of the lack of follow-up. The grabbing of first posts and lack of follow-up elsewhere suggests trolling.
If MS employed PR people to big them up online (who knows? Apple is the one that I'd first suspect of that) then they'd surely keep an eye on them enough to spot ones that were as obvious - and thus self-damaging - as this. I think it's either one of three things:
1. Misguided MS employee going nuts. Unlikely imo, because (a) low-level people at a business aren't usually that fanatical and high-level people wouldn't be wasting their time spamming Slashdot. Also, if they were really motivated purely by adoration of MS, they would follow-up their initial efforts by arguing with the people who disagreed. Such is the nature of fanaticism.
2. Genuine MS Fanboy. Linux has them. Apple has them. Certainly no reason MS can't have them. I've ended up defending MS on Slashdot quite a few times myself recently (unpaid, however.
3. False Flag / Troll. My best guess. The behaviour is certainly trollish. The main question is whether the motivation is either to create the impression that MS is paying them as a shill in order to damage MS, or whether they just have identified Slashdot as a site with a few rabidly anti-MS types and find this a good way of trolling. I'm leaning toward the former motivation because they could be more trolling if they followed up on the posts, whilst the absence of follow-up or denials of being a shill, suggests an attempt to create the impression of shilling.
Of course there is possibility 4. which is that they are indeed a shill, just an incompetent one. Someone who shuffles off at the end of the day and says to their manager "I mentioned Bing in a first post, my $100 bonus, please". That would just be sad.
So I think 1 and 2 unlikely. 3 my guess, 4 an outside chance. If it's 4, then that's just shameful to make money that way and his / her manager needs to keep a better eye on them. If it's 3 as seems likely, then that's just really, really, tragically sad. It's bad enough to rabidly identify with an OS unless you have a hand in its development. But it's really awful to get so fanatical you start trying to wage a PR campaign against your "enemy".
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
Registrars do anything for money. There's plenty of porn sites under .info, .biz, .name - domains that in theory had strict rules for what they could be used for. Adding more TLDs only serve to increase the space the registrars can register you under.
And people find what they are looking for by using a search engine anyway, not by guessing at the correct URL for something.
True but it also makes it easy for ISPs and the like to just BLOCK all .xxx domains.
And of course they will justify it by claiming to do it "For the children" or "For God" or "For the Public Good"
Hell I wouldn't put it past them to do it "To stop the terrorists"
There are basically two kinds of porn on the net. Free and FREE. The first kind might be ad-supported, but often it's just part of a site with more types of content. I don't see those sites having interest in an xxx domain.
We are all God's parents.
Be careful what you wish for. I have been warning in every /. thread on this subject and will say it one last time now that it is a done deal. Watch how fast .xxx is blocked by default by ISPs and must be 'opted in' by the customer. Then watch how fast every other domain becomes a Disney Hell because anyone posting objectionable content there gets sued for 'endangering the children' since .xxx exists. Refer again to that first prediction. Anything that isn't Disney safe is behind an opt-in wall and there won't be an option to opt-in most places. No cyber-cafes, no hotels, no McDonalds. Few workplaces, no government sites including schools. Libraries already have opt-in because we had to deal with CIPA and the maze of regulations and funding tangled in with it so won't be affected.
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US porn is not Australian porn, and is definitely not Italian or Dutch porn (just to pick two). Obviously, any US legislation requiring use of .xxx would only apply to US porn, and thus international porn would still be available to people operating from the USA.
I see no problem, except that maybe the US porn industry might find it easier to move offshore.
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As long as those 'general blocking measures' remain in private institutions like corporations, and not government censorship, I don't see that that's a problem .. employees shouldn't really be using company computers and bandwidth to browse porn anyway, and .xxx would be easier to block.
well if it regulated that 'pornographic' sites must be on .xxx and no where else
"If"? Is someone proposing that? If so, then sure, I would heavily disagree with that, that would be a major problem, but I don't see the leap from the creation of .xxx to such an assumption.
Can someone knowledgeable explain me what is the point of maintaining hierarchies in domain names? Why.Cant.I.use.any.name for an IP address? or to be more exact: why can I only do so via a search engine?
About time, they hopefully will force transfer of all adult content to these domains and ban use of regular domains for adult content....
and then blocking all the adult content would be a sinch for all involved, including the parents of said kids...