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Ask Slashdot: How Prepared Are You For a Major Emergency?

The northern US has been buried under snow several times this winter, and flooding has struck quite a few places in the southwest. Those pale, though, beside the recent disasters in Haiti, New Zealand, and Japan, and the seemingly inevitable arrival of a serious earthquake on the West Coast of the US. All of which has me thinking about my (meager) preparedness for a major disaster. Despite plans to stock up in case of a major storm or other emergency, right now I'd be down mostly to canned beans, sardines and Nutella. How prepared are you to do deal with a disaster affecting your region? Is your data safe? What about your family? Do you have escape, regrouping, or survival plans in the event of an earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, industrial accident, or whatever hazards are most relevant where you live? It would be helpful if in comments you disclose your region and environment (urban? rural? exurbs?) and the emergencies you consider worth preparing for, as well as talking about any steps you've taken or plan to take.

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  1. talking about data how safe are the data centers / by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    talking about data how safe are the data centers / cables that link them? How long does the on site fuel last? (with out refill?) even if they have refill plans that fuel may get pulled and sent to other places that need it and the data center may have no say in that.

  2. Are you armed? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mod me troll. I don't care.

    I've got a M1 rifle, a 12 gauge pump and a Colt Python as personal weapons.

    That and a backpack full of gear I can live out of and a 4x4 that's already been up the Rubicon trail many times.

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    1. Re:Are you armed? by Ynot_82 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bit of a silly response, don't you think?

      OP talks about preparing for a natural disaster
      What you going to do, shoot the water as it swirls round your feet

    2. Re:Are you armed? by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not or are you some kind of save the water freak.

    3. Re:Are you armed? by NotAGoodNickname · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Japan Tsunami = massive natural disaster - GUN TOTING POPULATION -> no looting & roving gangs -> no murder, assault -> no need for way to "protect" self and family Thai Tsunami = massive natural disaster - GUN TOTING POPULATION -> no looting & roving gangs -> no murder, assault -> no need for way to "protect" self and family See a pattern here?

    4. Re:Are you armed? by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am.. whenever I see it wash up on the beach, I throw it back...

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    5. Re:Are you armed? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not troll, it's paranoid. What sort of disaster are you expecting wherein you would need those kinds of weapons? There aren't many realistic scenarios of that type.

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    6. Re:Are you armed? by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How many ducks and deer do you think there *are*? If there was an actual disaster, the deer, duck, quail, and lizard populations would plummet as a teaming horde of well-armed people suddenly ravage the landscape.

      We moved to an agricultural society so that we wouldn't have to try to eke out our existence on the little tidbits provided by nature. Wanna prepare? Fine. But don't think for a minute that there will be lots of game waiting for your bullets.

      Guns are for self-defense.

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    7. Re:Are you armed? by 517714 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your own.

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      The US government have made it clear that we have no inalienable rights; any we do not defend vigorously will be taken.
    8. Re:Are you armed? by penix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are waiting until the tragedy happens to be getting out of dodge, then you are a victim waiting to happen. Ever see a full scale evacuation of an urbanized area? Gridlock is an outcome of panicked people trying to leave an area. Good luck with that strategy.

      I work emergency management and can tell you from personal experience, the US will be rode hard and put away wet if a catastrophic incident happens today. We don't have the financial capabilities to deal with it and the "something for nothing" crowd we got for politicians these days will cut it even further.

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    9. Re:Are you armed? by jpedlow · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Its sort of funny, really. When friends say "when the zombies come i'm coming to your place" or "when the earthquake comes, I'm coming to your place" etc etc...not just a few, but all of them. :\

      2 Lifted Trucks (well, one's an xj cherokee but it's mostly plate steel nowdays) - Check

      Generators, Gas pumps - Check

      Guns - Check (M1, M1A, AR15 (magpul bling and an acog), and an STI Edge in 40sw)

      But something i'm really most proud of is my server, If human society stopped existing, I've got a backup of books, wikipedia (text only), obligatory media backups etc etc on a 10tb array in a seismic rack [2tb wd blacks and a 3ware 9550 in raid 6 fyi]. And that's relieving to know, that if a guy like me has atleast SOME of humanity's knowledge on backup, there's bound to be hundreds more just like me if the worst DOES happen.

      Sorry, Rant off. TL;DR -- I just like being a little prepared, everything else are my hobbies anyway. 4x4'ing, camping and shooting.

    10. Re:Are you armed? by digitalhermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever cleaned game? Wildlife around urban areas tend to be freaking nasty. Mangy, diseased, bony... Not a lot of deer around my city. Not a lot of wild boar either. So you may end up eating rats and bugs. Make sure that you don't puncture the rat intestine and spill rat feces all over that delectable rat meat when you're cleaning that rat. And rats, though they may grow to be large, are still rats and not much more meat than a single drumstick.

      Say all you want about a can of pork and beans or tuna, but I'd much rather eat that than a squirrel. And yes, I've eaten rabbit, deer, wild hog, and snake before... I've never eaten rat though.

    11. Re:Are you armed? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      obligatory xkcd that points out the basic problem: It works for 1 guy, it doesn't work for everybody.

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    12. Re:Are you armed? by Nikkos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are millions actually, most states are experiencing overpop problems. Not to mention the domesticated animals (cows, chickens) roving around the countryside. And since their food supplies will be less affected than ours, the wildlife will likely be better off than the humans are.

      And there really wouldn't be a horde of people would there? On the scale of event you seem to be talking about, the city-dwellers likely wouldn't make it out of the concrete jungle, and they wouldn't know where to start in terms of hunting strategy, food prep and storage. The only people who think hunting is "easy" are people who haven't done it. Guns are tools used for more than just self-defense.

    13. Re:Are you armed? by Artifakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In a situation where radiation is a factor, and could be concentrated by the food chain, queueing up sounds better and better. Let's assume you are a decent marksman and the disaster you are dealing with hasn't hit during really cold weather when everything lairs up as much as possible, and you know enough to spot Tularaemia in rabbits and so on. We'll also assume you have some non-meat food sources too and won't get a protein overdose related psychosis.Those assumptions mean you know more than many legendary mountain men, let alone many modern hunters.Do you really know radiation well enough to make the smart decisions there too?

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    14. Re:Are you armed? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh, thank goodness for the simple pleasures of a vegetable garden.

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    15. Re:Are you armed? by Fjandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, it couldn't have anything to do with culture, could it?

      Sadly, saying this is like shouting into a hurricane. Even more so, because it's the real root of the issue and most people are incapable of analyzing people and cultures to find the real cause to problems; they'd rather just demonize those they disagree with.

      Owning firearms makes one more likely to be a criminal in exactly the same way being black makes one more likely to be a criminal. It's too bad the real meaning of the preceding sentence will be lost on so many, a great deal of whom will decide it means I think blacks are criminals because they're black. It's that old /. maxim "correlation does not equal causation," but let's not apply it to everything, just the things we like, but which have bad things that correlate to them. Anything else might as well be "correlation equals causation" for the average person trying to defend a strongly-held opinion.

  3. Squid! by MrQuacker · · Score: 5, Funny
    I just checked my cupboards to see what I have.

    There are about a dozen cans of squid, that I have no idea where they came from.

    1. Re:Squid! by ilikejam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cthulhu waits.
      In the cans.
      In your cupboard.

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  4. Fairly well prepared. by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Got some food that will last a while. My house has a creek that runs behind it and plenty of wood, so we can start a fire and boil water. When the food we have runs out, I have a hunting rifle with almost a full box of ammo, a shotgun with plenty of bird shot, and a handgun(more of use against unwelcome bipedal creatures than for hunting), so I can kill plenty of critters for food. And this is suburban Atlanta. Really, in an emergency situation, I could care less about data and all that. My biggest concern is feeding and protecting my family. It's pointless to make sure your pictures and tax records survive an emergency if you don't.

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  5. Go bags are good start by swm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jump kits (Go bags)
    You put 'em by the door for when you have to rock'n'roll.
    http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/emerg_kit.htm

    1. Re:Go bags are good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Be wary of Backpack Fever

      Much better to shelter in place and be prepared to live where you are. The notion of fleeing to the hills is common, but foolish.

  6. Preparation is in the mind by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best preparations are knowledge and experience.

    Learn to camp. Join the Boy Scouts or similar when growing up. Learn to fish. Learn to hunt. Go on hikes. Take a first aid course.

    Learn to be calm in the face of a completely unfamiliar situation.

    You can't really plan for an unexpected event, but you can train yourself to react rationally in unfamiliar circumstances. Having a tendency to improvise a solution will get you much further in an emergency than any preparation for a specific circumstance.

  7. Have someplace to go by heptapod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bug out bags are nice but having a place to wait out a dangerous situation is ideal. BOBs aren't a panacea to surviving a disaster.
    Backpack Fever addresses this concern and encourages people to be realistic before grabbing their SKS and going innawoods.

  8. Dominos by pspahn · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only thing we probably have to seriously worry about, is the disaster after the disaster.

    If there is some cataclysmic quake/tsunami on the West Coast, I can imagine plenty of people showing up here shortly afterwards. We are not prepared to deal with a mass influx of Californians.

    I guess my survival pack would include:

    • "Native" bumper sticker
    • Fake signs pointing the way to the farmer's market.
    • Public transit pass.
    • Chainsaw (for firewood, of course)
    • A pair of those sunglasses that have lenses the size of grapefruits so I don't stick out.
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  9. No by line-bundle · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am not prepared.

  10. Re:As a pet owner... by CheeseTroll · · Score: 5, Funny

    "my cat would make a fine hat for warmth"

    your cat can knit?

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  11. Moderately Prepared by waldoj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife and I like to stay fairly well prepared.

    First, our home. We live in a very rural area, on the side of a treed mountain. We built our home last year, and it's passive solar, sited to take maximum advantage of the sun, built very tightly (LEED gold-ish, but we didn't bother to get certified). We maintain the forest, have large piles of wood in rotation being seasoned, and keep a large stockpile of planked wood on hand (milled from the trees on our land). Our neighbors have cows, goats, and sheep, from which they produce milk and meat—handy to have When The Shit Comes Down®. (I use that phrase facetiously—it's a generic term that my wife and I use to refer to anything that may or may not happen in our lifetimes that would disrupt supply chains, limit movement, or otherwise require short or long-term independence.) We paid a few thousand bucks to have an enormous propane tank buried next to our house, in which we maintain a two-year supply of propane. Soon enough we'll have a propane generator, a few solar panels, and a small windmill, which should allow us to maintain ~1.5 kWh of power during about half of the day, but make it possible to peak to 5 kWh when demand requires (until the propane runs out, and then we top out at 1.5 kWh).

    Second, food and water. We always keep about ten pounds of oats, twenty pounds of flour, ten pounds of sugar, ten pounds of rice, and ten pounds of dried beans on hand. We always have 20 gallons of fresh drinking water stored, 55 gallons of rainwater, and we maintain a spring. Also, we have a stream. We have a small flock of chickens, a horse, and we're about to get ducks. Six months out of the year we have what's either a large garden or a small farm, and we put up a lot of food in the fall. Not enough to get us through a winter, but we do alright, and feel confident that we could ramp up production significantly, if need be. We save our seed, so the notion of increasing the size of our garden by tenfold with four months of lead time (seasonally depending, of course) isn't totally unreasonable.

    Third, medical. We've got potassium iodide on hand (there's a nuclear power plant ~35 miles from us), a dose of Tamiflu for each of us, two very complete medical kits, moderate training in first aid (with more coming soon—see below), and we generally maintain a three-month supply of our medications.

    Fourth, general supplies. We have an oil lamp (and, of course, lamp oil), a bunch of candles, several fire extinguishers, a NOAA radio, a hand-cranked AM/FM/shortwave radio, matches, lighters, a flotilla of batteries of all sorts, headlamps, and flashlights. We keep a couple of canisters of propane on hand (rotated through annually, thanks to grilling season) and have a propane heater that can heat our entire house for a couple of days with one of those plugged in.

    Fifth, evacuation preparedness. We keep a 72-hour pack by the front door, ready to go, with a couple of hundred bucks in cash, a few days food, tinned water, flashlights, blankets, tarps, matches, fire starters, and so on. We've got sleeping bags and internal frame packs on hand for each of us. The idea is to make sure that if sheltering in place isn't safe, that we can leave without delay.

    Finally, a flotilla of books (not all of which we've read, I admit) on wilderness medicine. This Tuesday we're starting an eight-week Community Emergency Response Team training course (held just once a week). This is available in most areas—google around to see if you can take it in your area. That's where you can learn to be helpful in an emergency, rather than somebody who needs help—learn to use a chainsaw, direct traffic, suture a wound, lead a panicked group of people to safety, etc. Recommended highly.

    I've come to relish when we lose power in good weather. It's a chance to test out our plans. There are a lot of basic aspects to preparedness that would just never cross your mind until you actually need to carry out that plan. You know how, without power, you keep flipping light switches every time you walk into a room, or thinking "well, I'll just google that...*DOH*"? The same applies to all kinds of things, like having candles...but no matches. :)

  12. Re:Tips from the hurricane prone by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stockpile water and gasoline

    Petrol goes stale. Don't stockpile it. Ditch the wheezy underpowered unreliable petrol engines, and get a diesel car and a diesel genny.

  13. Re:Prepared by NotAGoodNickname · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowhere in your diatribe did you mention helping anyone in need. You are one sick fuck.

  14. Re:talking about data how safe are the data center by JimToo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if the diesel is available the traffic snarls up bad. If the data centre is inside a region badly hit the officials will close the area to everyone for their "safety" even if the building is safe. Our IT support continued to work because it was in another city. The building in Chch our office was in had the MSB (a diesel was there too I think) in the basement, which flooded. No doubt that is where the rebuilt MSB (main switchboard) will go. And god, it takes so long for anything to progress.

  15. I'll Tell You by waldoj · · Score: 3, Informative

    How many ducks and deer do you think there *are*? If there was an actual disaster, the deer, duck, quail, and lizard populations would plummet as a teaming horde of well-armed people suddenly ravage the landscape.

    Cornell University Cooperative Extension: "Today there are over 20 million deer in the United States and numbers are rising. [...] Densitites may exceed 40 deer per square mile in some rural areas, and over 100 deer/square mile have been documented near many eastern metropolitan areas. [...] As long as adequate food resources are available, deer populations can double in size every 2-3 years. Eventually some form of population management is needed to control herd growth and maintain deer numbers within the social carrying capacity."

    There are plenty of deer.

    1. Re:I'll Tell You by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank god there have always been humans with guns around to control the deer population, or there'd be infinity deers by now.

    2. Re:I'll Tell You by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are 300 million people in the US. How long do you think 20 million deer will feed them? Of course, short of an incredibly major disaster, all 300 million of them won't simultaneously be needing the deer, but by the same token not all 20 million deer are going to available to the subset who do. "Oh, but my area has a low population density!" Great, that just means that statistically you're even more likely to get competition. Most like a much larger percentage of your neighbors have guns and no how to hunt.

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  16. Re:Ah. Survival. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arguably, the hardocre apocalyptic gun-toters know that they don't really need survival kits: All they need is a list of nearby people who have survival kits, and their existing supplies of guns and ammunition...

  17. Re:Ah. Survival. by rainmouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it me or does this entire thread seem to state that Americans are preparing for natural disasters by arming up and getting ready to play real life MW2 with their neighbours?

  18. Re:Ah. Survival. by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

        You know, I call my emergency plan "The Apocalypse Plan" or "The End of the World Plan"

        The plan is distributed throughout my group of "survivors". Three meeting points, with the plan for the final destination are included.

        Supplies include weapons and plenty of ammunition, food (MREs, water, water treatment, etc), clothing, personal supplies (toothpaste, toilet paper, feminine needs), medical supplies (basic first responder kit), and vehicle supplies (extra gas, spare parts, etc).

        And of course, people ask "Why weapons?" Well, since this world is such a kind gentle place, it'd be perfectly safe walking or driving through a group of desperate people with enough supplies to live a few weeks on. Oh ya, you wouldn't be safe. Beyond that, you may (and likely will) need to use them for hunting when the food supplies run out.

        If it is a prolonged period of civil unrest, you may find weapons your best friend. Well, I guess the best friend is the person who can use the weapons most efficiently.

        The meeting points are staged along a predetermined evacuation route. Multiple routes are provided to each waypoint. Each waypoint was chosen for relative isolation, access to fresh water and wildlife, and access by car, large vehicle (bus/large truck) and aircraft. So you should be able to walk, drive, or fly there (there are a few licensed pilots in the group).

        We all know the parties who should be able to arrive, so once the entire party has grouped at one of the waypoints (hopefully the first).

        Distance to the waypoints and regrouping times (how long we wait) is based on at least double the walking time. If it takes an hour to drive, or a day to walk, we give 3 days. So waypoint 1 would be 3 days (E+3d). Waypoint 2 would be 2 weeks (E+17d). Waypoint 3 would be another 2 weeks (E+31d).

        We plan to add shortwave radio to the plan. Right now, we only have one licensed operator. Not that licenses matter much in a state of emergency. When your region has just been leveled by a natural disaster, having the FAA show up to fine or arrest you would be welcome. "Fine, arrest me. Get me out of here."

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  19. Just remember by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    When in danger,
    or in doubt,
    run in circles,
    scream and shout.

    -- Xavier Onassis, Director of Emergency Preparedness

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  20. Rural Canada by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've found the best emergency preparedness is being on good terms with the neighbors. If you know everyone within an hour's walking distance you tend to benefit from a larger skill set than what you have on your own. One guy's a hunter/trapper, I have access to a pile of radio equipment, the nice old lady about a mile down is a hardcore homesteader (I think she only buys milk), so we're all set up to help each other out.

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  21. Re:Ah. Survival. by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My strategy is to live in Toronto. We never get any snow (according to my standards) or hurricanes. It's geologically stable, so no quakes. No major dams to burst, or rivers to flood. It's bland and boring. The worst disaster to hit these parts was the blackout of 2003, and even that was more or less over in about 8 hours.

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  22. Here is my list by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Home:
    40 cu ft Pantry full of food
    5 gal jug filled with dried beans
    5 gal jug filled with rice
    8000 sqft backyard garden (mostly root crops this time of year)
    5 x 5 gal jug filled with drinking water
    half a cord of Firewood + ax and bow saw for collecting more
    Several sacks of charcoal
    Spare tank of propane
    Box of candles
    Large first aid kit
    Iodine tablets
    Fire extinguisher
    Deep cycle battery + trickle charger + inverter
    Large toolbox full of tools
    Rechargable flashlights in every bathroom
    A fireproof safe, bolted to a concrete floor, containing:
    Original copies of important documents
    Several USB drives with backups
    Cash, other valuables
    AR-15 assault rifle + 500 rounds of ammo + cleaning kit

    pockets:
    cellphone (the lcd screen can be used as a flashlight)
    fine tip sharpie pen
    on keychain:
    4GB USB thumb drive
    mini leatherman (scissors, knife, tweezers, screwdriver)
    screw top tube containing:
    needle+thread, safety pins, waterproof matches,
    asprin, antibiotic pills

    trunk of car:
    Jumper cables
    flares
    First aid kit
    Water
    Breakfast bars
    plastic bags
    duct tape
    epoxy glue
    needles / thread
    parachute cord
    pliers
    screwdrivers
    scissors
    $200 in twenty dollar bills

  23. Re:Ah. Survival. by Per+Wigren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If such a huge disaster happens you'll probably just die anyway, and if you don't, what's left of it is probably going to suck. It's such a waste of a good life to live it in fear of what *might* happen. Lighten up and increase the quality of your current life instead.

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