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Gaming Is the Most Popular Use For Tablets

The Guardian's Games blog reports on a survey from Google's Admob, which found that more people use tablets for gaming than for any other purpose, even viewing news or email. Quoting: "According to the survey (PDF), 84% of tablet owners play games, ahead of even searching for information (78%), emailing (74%) and reading the news (61%). 56% of tablet owners use social networking services on their device, while 51% consume music and/or videos, and 46% read ebooks. ... The survey found that 38% of respondents spend more than two hours a day using their tablets, while another 30% spend 1-2 hours. It appears that tablets are predominantly domestic devices, with 82% of people primarily using their tablets at home, versus 11% who say they are used primarily on the go, and 7% who said at work. 28% of respondents say their tablet is now their primary computer, while 43% say they spend more time using their tablet than they do their desktop or laptop computer."

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  1. My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Senes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Step 1: make some affordable accessories to comfortably set up a tablet as if it were a PC monitor; keyboard, speakers, etc.

    Step 2: start marketing parts instead of finished products only so it isn't an entire industry of iMacs. Let people build their own.

    Step 3: open things up and give people more control over what they do with their devices; if you buy it you get to decide how it's used.

    Boom, tablets are the new PCs. Not a replacement, simply an evolution out of the old form. Until all this happens they'll still just be a gimmicky toy that some people happen to spend a lot of time on. Make these things happen and you'll see business tablets as well.

    1. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then though, all you have is a PC with a small screen that happens to be portable...

    2. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also lower in power. But people make their choices; if a tablet *can* step in entirely as a PC then there will be some people who can only get one and would rather have the tablet.

    3. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says they couldn't have docks?

    4. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by DurendalMac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Those are afterthoughts. Tablets aren't designed to replace desktops. They're meant to be highly portable and quick to use.

      2. Um, how do you plan on building a tablet? Laptop kits are hard enough to find. Do you really think you could self-assemble a tablet as slim and light as an iPad? I just don't see it happening. Furthermore, rolling your own tablet will do jack shit for business market share.

      3. Android already does this, but has diddly in tablet market share in business or otherwise. Businesses don't really give a damn if it's open or not as long as it can talk to their network, servers, etc and they can load their own custom apps into it, which just about any tablet (iPad included) can.

      Those gimmicky toys are selling by the millions per month. Apple can't build the iPad 2 fast enough. Seems like adoption is moving right along as it is.

    5. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Dr+Max · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly why microsoft needs to convert the xbox 360 into a tablet.

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    6. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, everyone knows the big automobile market—especially the business market— is in custom-built hot rods that only a local grease monkey knows how to fix.

      Sure, they may break down every 3000 km and have lots of strange compatibility issues between the random engines, transmissions, and everything else that got shoved together, but hey...At least they're better than those gimmicky "factory built" toys that some wackos drive.

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    7. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      1. Those are afterthoughts. Tablets aren't designed to replace desktops. They're meant to be highly portable and quick to use.

      Having a simple dock where you can sit the tablet and which allows you to connect various USB-peripherals, including mouse and keyboard, doesn't in any way hinder portability. There is nothing that says you can't use a real keyboard to input text instead of the virtual one, for example. Even if tablets weren't originally meant to replace desktops they _could_ do it for many people if such a dock was available.

      Just imagine this: you have a black surface, kind of like a mousepad, on your table. Next to it sits a regular monitor, mouse and keyboard. You pop your tablet on that surface with its screen down and poof, the peripherals come alive. You do what you meant to do, like for example write a longer e-mail or do a quick home budget on Google Docs. Then you just pick the tablet up from the surface and its again as it was. No hassle, and all the mobility you could hope for.

      I do seriously claim that that would be really popular if done right -- you know, no horrible slowdowns, standardized system so it works across different manufacturers and OSes, etc. -- and very many regular consumers would ditch their old desktops.

    8. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by node+3 · · Score: 2

      -cut- Senes' three step plan to completely destroy the tablet market -cut-

      Boom, tablets are the new PCs. Not a replacement, simply an evolution out of the old form. Until all this happens they'll still just be a gimmicky toy that some people happen to spend a lot of time on. Make these things happen and you'll see business tablets as well.

      That's the exact opposite of what people want. It makes no sense to turn the tablet into a PC. We already have something like that... the PC. For people that want that, they can buy a... PC!

      The tablet is for people that don't actually want a PC, and for those that do want a PC (and there will be plenty of such people, especially amongst the slashdot crowd), the tablet is for them too, for those times when they don't want to use a PC.

      For those for whom the PC is ingrained into their very being, tablets will remain a "gimmicky toy that some [other] people happen to spend a lot of time on".

    9. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Boycott+BMG · · Score: 2

      May I suggest an asus eee pad transformer http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=gHh4q7I8dvWJzhdV? It has a detachable keyboard and extra stuff like USB ports and SD card slots. It isn't really moddable to a large degree though.

    10. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs, at least not until he decides when the iDock iX can be the next big thing.

    11. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Thank you for this post, you just inspired me.
      I have an archos 7 and it has usb Host mode and I just tried plugging in a cuecat. Wasn't sure if there would be enough power on the usb port to run it but it does.

      Simple test capturing to the browser (google is pretty good on finding barcodes) works fine.
      Now I have a very portable handheld scanner :)

      That is useful.

      I wouldnt have thought about this as an option.

    12. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      Except you still have to deal with the lack of a desktop OS, so the tablet would need two separate environments. Then you'd need a bundle of hardware to go with it. Then you'd have to deal with the tablet still being slower than a laptop at the same price as the tablet + accessories and not running the same software. On that note, apps would have to be with a separate environment for kb/mouse and touchscreen, much higher resolutions, no multitouch...the list goes on. The two devices are pretty distinct, and for a good reason. There would be a LOT to overcome before you could merge a tablet with a desktop docking system before it would ever grow beyond a small niche.

    13. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Step 2: start marketing parts instead of finished products only so it isn't an entire industry of iMacs. Let people build their own.

      Uh how many tablet users actually want to build their own?

      Some desktop/tower PC users may want to build their own - that's why they buy those sort of computers.

      Judging from the article summary: tablet owners want to buy something and be able to play games on it near immediately.

      They don't want to do some DIY assembly.

      The real next form of computing would be wearables or even prosthetics. Then we would have virtual telepathy, telekinesis and eidetic memory. We are already seeing a similar form when people send each other videos, buy stuff with their phones, or when they go shopping, post a photo on FB/etc and ask "Should I buy this?" and within a few minutes friends from around the world chip in.

      Restrictive copyright laws would be a bigger issue when that happens.

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    14. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Except you still have to deal with the lack of a desktop OS, so the tablet would need two separate environments.

      Err. Exactly why do you think you'd need a separate OS for it? There is nothing special as to why the same OS couldn't just extend the screen real-estate to cover the larger screen.

      [quote]On that note, apps would have to be with a separate environment for kb/mouse and touchscreen, much higher resolutions, no multitouch...the list goes on.[/quote]

      Again, there is nothing specific as to why a mouse and keyboard wouldn't work. Hell, grab a tablet with bluetooth and connect a bluetooth keyboard to it: voila, it works just peachy. It is the OS itself which handles input devices, the apps only respond to signals from the OS. Similarly, I have a Nokia N900 mobile phone; if I connect a mouse and keyboard to it they work just as fine as the touchscreen does, across all the installed applications.

      Either you don't understand OSes, or you're confused about something.

    15. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Wovel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can use any blue tooth keyboard and most USB keyboards today. Apple released a keyboard dock the first day the iPad came out, if that's your thing Wtf would you want a mouse for..

      Not sure why I am always amazed when people at slashdot talk authoritatively about things they know nothing about.. No reason you can't use a real keyboard. No shit. Maybe that is why the iPad has supported external keyboards since the day it was released.

    16. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      +1! Indeed the iPad is shackled to bloated iTunes installed on a laptop or desktop of some sort. Apple was clever to do this, and clever to dumb down it's gadget so it was itself a peripheral and not a replacement for the other computers it sells. They also were clever to make it big enough not to be a replacement for a iPod which one might find a 5-7" inch tablet capable of being - it could fit in a womans handbag and therefore become a portable music player or drive bluetooth headphones in another bag or backpack. iPad is big enough to make lugging it enough of a chore to not kill the iPod business. Apples decisions with it's tablet computer have been a factor.

      Android tablets are actually a bad thing. Android does a much better job of being a standalone OS that can interface with everything and sync with the cloud. Android owners enjoy over the air syncing of apps they pick on market.android.com. It also doesn't ask you to hand over your credit card details before you can even download free app and you can even bypass the market and side-load any apps you want. Aside from it being a little tricky to get root access to your own device (ultimately Google doesn't stop you like Apple tries to) this is much more like old school OS freedom we enjoy with our Win/OSX/*nix machines. The result is it's more of a PC killer than a complimentary gadget. Then there's the Motorola Atrix which docks with a laptop like screen and keyboard to become a PC. Sony's Xperia Play is also going to take a swipe at portable gaming - I'd bet on Sony releasing their gaming focused tablet (the S1) this year. Ultimately it'll be Android taking a slice of the desktop market share, not Apple, which is going to lose it's glory in 3...2...1..

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    17. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      You can use any blue tooth keyboard and most USB keyboards today. Apple released a keyboard dock the first day the iPad came out, if that's your thing Wtf would you want a mouse for..

      Not sure why I am always amazed when people at slashdot talk authoritatively about things they know nothing about.. No reason you can't use a real keyboard. No shit. Maybe that is why the iPad has supported external keyboards since the day it was released.

      I never claimed it can't use a keyboard. You're barking up the wrong tree, now.

    18. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by similar_name · · Score: 1

      they can load their own custom apps into it, which just about any tablet (iPad included) can.

      When did the iPad (or any tablet) get IE 6?

    19. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by tepples · · Score: 1

      It is the OS itself which handles input devices, the apps only respond to signals from the OS.

      Some applications make use of multitouch gestures, for which I see no general analog on a mouse. For example, how do I pinch to zoom with a mouse?

    20. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by tepples · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has already gone halfway there with Windows Phone 7. It supports the same XNA API as Xbox Live Indie Games, and porting an XNA game to WP7 involves 1. rewriting the small section of a game's code that translates player input to game actions, and 2. using lower detail meshes and textures.

    21. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      That one's easy, click and drag to zoom in on the selected region or use the scroll wheel to zoom in and out similar to the way Google maps does it.

    22. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Some applications make use of multitouch gestures, for which I see no general analog on a mouse.

      Oh, come on. You're making too much of multitouch.

      You can do two things at a time on a mouse, like click and turn the wheel. I don't really see how different multi-touch is from CTRL-click. Hell, if the OS supports multi-touch why couldn't it support simultaneous input from a touchpad and mouse? That gives me an idea...

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    23. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Some applications make use of multitouch gestures, for which I see no general analog on a mouse. For example, how do I pinch to zoom with a mouse?

      As others have commented there's plenty of ways for such, including using various modkeys, the scroll wheel, and/or both mouse buttons. Then there's for example simply that the application displays a simple toolbar when the tablet is docked and the toolbar exposes the multitouch functionality. Simple and effective, doesn't even require restarting the application in question.

    24. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by tepples · · Score: 1

      As others have commented

      And as I have replied. Please see my replies to tkdtaylor and PopeRatzo about using a mouse with existing apps.

    25. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      I don't think DIY tablets will arrive anytime soon. a standard port would be very nice though, so that we don't have to change docks everytime we change tablets. Actually, a standard port for phones would be nice too.

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    26. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      click and drag eh? How are developers supposed to differentiate that from a pan gesture? Or do you mean we should be listening to different mouse and touch events in our applications (like we already do in html/javascript applications)? There goes the "only the OS needs to know what input devices you're using" idea.

    27. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

      there is a certain point where you do need to give more REAL function to the tablet device, I would love to be able to build my own tablet like I do with a desktop but what I think is more important is to rethink the overall design (some manufacturers are, which I applaud) of both hardware and software in order to accommodate usage.
        The main things that come to mind are: an active digitizer and pen, a solid keyboard alternative without having to nest the device or carry a clamshell with it, multi-boot functionality, real OS support AND battery life (is improving with the oak trail processors) in order to have the option of having actual application usage and compatibility with the work done on a desktop and multiple high speed USB ports on the device in order to allow peripheral controls for gaming and other uses -as well things really need to rest in the $299-$599 range and not in the $599 - $1099 range. I think that lenovo and dell have some machines coming out a little closer to what I described.

    28. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      :) a little late to the conversation and you obviously haven't read the rest of the thread, keep going you'll see a reply that fits.

    29. Re:My thought: make tablets more like PCs/consoles by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Wrong paradigm. I like tablets because they aren't like that other stuff. I suspect that that is the main reason for at least the IPad's popularity. Most people I know are simply freaking tired of the Windowsworld of all the crap that you have to do to keep one of them running. People want to surf and email, not go into safe mode to roll back an update that bluescreens their computer whenever they push the function key - an actual problem - not a joke.

      I love my computers, but I understand and encourage devices that are as unlike computers as possible.

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  2. More like "common denominator". by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people use their hands to perform surgery. Some use them to play the violin. Some use them to flip burgers. Nearly all, however, use their hands to brush their teeth.

    Thus, tooth-brushing is the most popular use for hands.

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    1. Re:More like "common denominator". by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Some people use their hands to perform surgery. Some use them to play the violin. Some use them to flip burgers. Nearly all, however, use their hands to jerk off.

      Thus, jerking off is the most popular use for hands.

      FTFY. And improved the analogy with tablets, too.

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    2. Re:More like "common denominator". by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      You know you've been on Slashdot too long when you think that nearly all people "jerk off".

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    3. Re:More like "common denominator". by jshackney · · Score: 1

      I'm really disappointed that this failed to produce a "jacking on" joke.

    4. Re:More like "common denominator". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really disappointed that this failed to produce a "jacking on" joke.M/quote>I jack on my bitch's face all the time. No joke.

  3. News at 11 by iSzabo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do people play with toys more often than they play with tools? Tonight, we investigate.

    1. Re:News at 11 by tunapez · · Score: 1

      No, no, you are mistaken... it is not a toy, it is a tool.
       
        For productivity and stuff... the games and 'cool factor' are only icing on the real productive producing cake.
      Seriously.
      Not a toy.
      Really.

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  4. No shit.. by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

    I am sure most people use their systems for email, tweeting and facebook. So the 71% doesn't surprise me the least bit. What does seem strange is that people use it for games, but I haven't heard of any games that are playable for more than an hour.

    1. Re:No shit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just it; most people sit around and play bejeweled all day on their PCs while they're at school/work. This just makes it easier for them to spend their bosses' time staring at pretty lights while their PC screens still look productive.

    2. Re:No shit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of one: SNESoid.

    3. Re:No shit.. by Wovel · · Score: 1

      That is because you have not bothered to look.

    4. Re:No shit.. by pmontra · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine was playing chess on an iPad while walking with me on a street last Saturday night and yes, he didn't play more than an hours. The AI took about 15 minutes to crush him. Luckily he didn't got crushed by cars too because I was looking more at the road than at the screen :-) I'm pretty sure he's in that 84% of people playing games but not in that 82% that use tablets primarily at home, but my opinion is that a 10" device is too big to be carried around on a regular basis. The same applies to my 9" netbook (1.1 kg). Size matters.

  5. Amazing by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    I thought that the main use for tablets would be programming, blogging and writting books.

    1. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to recall that the ads would allow me to catch up on a little Melville before bed, check my stock portfolio at Starbucks (while I take a break from my Harley), and share a laugh with my grandchildren on a lawn somewhere.
      What they really need is a game that can be played from start to conclusion at a stop light.

    2. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      programming

      seriously? /:)

    3. Re:Amazing by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      I thought it was for prescribing aspirin.

    4. Re:Amazing by pmontra · · Score: 1

      I thought that the main use for tablets would be programming, blogging and writting books.

      Maybe parent wanted to be modded funny but...
      Programming?!
      Blogging, yes.
      Writing books: fingers don't last much if they hit a hard surface all the day. Keyboards give way not only to activate a sensor but also to attenuate the hits.

    5. Re:Amazing by guttentag · · Score: 1

      I thought that the main use for tablets would be programming, blogging and writting books.

      Book? What's a book? Oh, you mean an ePUB file! Got it.

      This post sent back in time from the year 2015.

  6. Gaming Is the Most Popular Use For Tablets... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

    and for my Android Phone (T-Mobile G2 with Google by HTC). Much to the dismay of my battery...

    1. Re:Gaming Is the Most Popular Use For Tablets... by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Do you find it awkward that you need to use like 8 words to effectively communicate what phone you have?

    2. Re:Gaming Is the Most Popular Use For Tablets... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Do you find it awkward that you need to use like 8 words to effectively communicate what phone you have?

      No, I just find it kinda humorous (or did, when I posted it) - as well as differentiating between the phone oft-times referred to as the HTC G2 (the one that is NOT this phone, but an entirely different HTC phone that has come out with other designations as well).

  7. Seems petty by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    As someone who is about to add a third monitor I might be a "power user" but when I use my iPad I realize that here is the future baby. For most people the choice of a small handheld device will become more and more obvious. Thinking through my family I can't count many who need a anything much beyond a tablet/smartphone to meet their computing needs.
    This might actually bode well for us users of many monitors and powerful desktops as these "old school" computers will be more aimed at us instead of the youtube webmail crowd. There will always be a demand from engineers, artists, programmers, accounts, etc for a big screen general purpose computer.
    I read about people dismissing tablets as juvenile and that they won't adopt one until they can program in RANDOM_LANGUAGE on it in their favorite IDE and for us this will remain true for a while. But what won't be juvenile is the massive numbers of tablet users that are going to have these, along with a smart phone, as their sole general purpose computing device.

    1. Re:Seems petty by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I set up an old laptop for my mother. It runs ubuntu and goes online through a 3G connection. I loaded it with links to news, social networks and blogs but her favourite application by far is the local weather radar. She has a big garden where she spends much of her time and knowing what weather is coming is really useful for her. I am now looking out for a tablet with a screen which is positively easy to read in bright sunlight. Something like fast e-ink would be ideal. Then she can spend more time where she likes, not sitting at a desk, which she did for her whole career.

  8. iPad Content I'm Waiting For by Seumas · · Score: 1

    I could go for an iPad 2, easily. All it would take is a full fledged awesome MMO (or the ability to do everything in EVE-Online - except battles - that I can do in the real game). Even better, release some completely, no-holds-barred RPGs. Long, involved, deep RPG that I could spend the entire year exploring and playing. I don't care for these half-assed mini-sim games or FPS-ish games. If they started to offer that, the complexity that I could build on and explore a bit at a time for countless hours or weeks or months would compel me to part with my moolah.

    1. Re:iPad Content I'm Waiting For by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Several good RPGs now and some are multiplayer. I think we will see an MMO In the next year or so if sales keep up.

  9. You mean like the iPad does already? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Step 1: make some affordable accessories to comfortably set up a tablet as if it were a PC monitor; keyboard, speakers, etc.

    With the iPad2 I can mirror to any monitor, or use a keyboard stand that Apple makes, or use any bluetooth keyboard, or buy any number of speaker docs.

    Step 2: start marketing parts instead of finished products only so it isn't an entire industry of iMacs. Let people build their own.

    And how is that different with the entire iPad ecosystem today, where people are doing just that with a huge range of third party accessories? Otherwise you aren't seriously arguing that people surface-mount components in a homebrew tablet right? Because that is what you'd be doing to keep the size and weight anywhere near current tablet standards.

    Step 3: open things up and give people more control over what they do with their devices; if you buy it you get to decide how it's used.

    99% of iPad buyers have all the control they can use, they use the web and buy a huge range of tablet specific apps and that is enough.

    The other 1% can jailbreak. And that is in fact better for the technical user than using any other device because of how much easier it is to hack ObjectiveC apps to tweak the system and individual apps instead of having to write whole applications from scratch. A huge part of the Cydia app store is not just superficial customization like the home page, but about customization to add features to existing apps (like Mail.app).

    Now you may start to understand why Apple calls the tablet the "post-PC", the only missing component is off-pC backup. Hmm, I wonder what Apple is doing with a huge new datacenter?

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    1. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by gman003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't upgrade an iPad. You can't install more RAM, or a new processor, or even (IIRC) a new battery. Even the XBox is more moddable. That's different than peripherals.

    2. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't take any post-PC claim seriously until you can
      - manage a firewall as powerful as iptables/pf
      - have full control over encryption on all filesystems
      - write an interpreter aka scripting environment

    3. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good call, sir. i wish gizmodo's jesus diaz and techcrunch's mg siegler can read this.

    4. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by Frangible · · Score: 1

      How is the XBox more moddable? You can add... a USB hard drive that doesn't hold most of the 360's content? A USB memory stick, but only if it's less than 16GB? A proprietary hard drive, or Microsoft will invalidate yours if you try hacking one in? You can't install more RAM or a new CPU on a XBox.

      The iPad is a system on a chip. SoCs don't have SODIMM sockets or a PCI Express slot to plug in your NVidia card that would devour the battery in under a second and start an electrical fire. Expecting to upgrade it is like expecting to upgrade a cell phone's CPU/RAM... basically the same thing really. The best they could do is give you a SD card slot.

      And you can drop a new battery in one, it's just a PITA.

      If you expect to slap together your own iPad from components you got on Newegg, good luck with that.

    5. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to add more ram or a new processor? You think it would improve your experience of using a tablet, right? In truth the openness of the PC actually hurts experience. Because everyone is making something different, developers don't have a platform to target. You install Windows 7 only to discover that your computer slows down considerably in comparison to windows xp. You install a game and find out later that in order for it to not lag you need to upgrade. A developer is forced to make different settings for a PC game, because they don't know what the user has and the user is in turn forced to know how to configure the game to work best on their PC. That's not improving the experience, that's making it worse.

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    6. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      With the way mobile technology is going with systems on a chip its not impossible to think you could pull the dual core tegra 2 out of your tablet, and put in a new quad core kal-el.

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    7. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by similar_name · · Score: 1
      You had me until..

      The other 1% can jailbreak. And that is in fact better for the technical user than using any other device

      I think you're stretching a little too hard on that one.

      because of how much easier it is to hack ObjectiveC apps to tweak the system and individual apps instead of having to write whole applications from scratch.

      Wait, what are my choices here? Hack ObjectiveC or write whole applications from scratch. I think you might be leaving one or two other choices out.

      Leave that paragraph out and your post is stronger. There's no way to legitimately spin the 'advantages' of having to circumvent the design of a device. Just accept that you can't please all of the people all of the time. :)

    8. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by pmontra · · Score: 1

      I've got a Playstation to play games and that provides a common ground for developers, which I understand is good. I also understand that there is generally little need to upgrade one of today's tablets but I don't agree that the openness of PCs hurts experience.

      In the last 3 years I upgraded gradually my PC from WinXP to Ubuntu, from 2 GB RAM to 4 GB, from 80 GB HD to a 500 GB HD and customized my desktop away from the default Ubuntu one, which is getting constantly worse release after release IMHO (they're doing a decently good job but in a direction opposite to my needs). Every single change improved my experience and I had no problem finding good applications that would run on every different setup. I wouldn't buy a console-like computer (iPad-like should I say?), something I cannot tweak into a tool I can use in the way I want.

      Consoles and iPads are good for consuming contents (games or throw-away apps or even showing documents to customers), general purpose computers are good for programming. As there are many more consumers than programmers I bet that the market for general purpose computer will shrink and OSes will make more devices look like consoles. But I'll always want a real computer under my fingers, even if I might use other devices most of my time.

    9. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by soupforare · · Score: 1

      All I want is god damn bluetooth controller support. Until Apple allows for one, I can't see my ipad as a gaming device. There are some games that multitouch works OK for, but I would still rather have a controller.

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    10. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Set up and RDC server, install a client, and be done with it.

    11. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by gman003 · · Score: 1

      As a game programmer, I can assure you that it isn't really all that difficult to make a game scale down. You can automatically generate lower-res meshes, downscale textures, increase fog/decrease draw distance, etc. As long as there's some known minimum, either a base model for the tablet, or published minimum requirements, it's almost trivial.

      Scaling up is a bit more difficult. Once you've reached the maximum rendering detail you're willing to create, the only thing to do is layer on the AA. Still, upgrading a tablet is far from pointless. Especially storage capacity - IIRC, some games (like Rage) can reach half the capacity of the current iPad.

    12. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind, that customization of the UI has nothing to do with the openness of a hardware platform.
      As for the upgrades: of course they improved your experience. That's why they are called upgrades afterall. The point is, however, that because everyone has a different platform, the developers do not have common denominators. What works acceptably on one configuration doesn't work as well on another configuration, and to improve the experience one has to upgrade.

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    13. Re:You mean like the iPad does already? by eugene2k · · Score: 1

      As long as there is a known minimum, yes. But when you have an open platform that minimum is not known. You just have to make a guess as to what will be the common configuration 2 years after you started working on a game.

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  10. I was confused. by Octopuscabbage · · Score: 2

    Here i thought the tablets computers main use was a substitute for toilet paper, or some sort of laxative. I really could not figure out what the main use was.

    1. Re:I was confused. by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1

      And aren't analgesic tablets more popular than gaming tablets (e.g. iBuprofen)?

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  11. Just buy the iPad already. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Stop torturing her with the chinese-app-drip and just buy her an iPad to give her the freedom she deserves to be able to work the device yourself without your help.

    It's readable out in the sun. Closing the cover to turn it off and on makes it foolproof (might want to buy a sturdier surrounding case if it's going out in the garden, most now have adopted the magnets that turn it off). Just come over once a week or month to back it up for her but otherwise she can just do everything on the device herself.

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    1. Re:Just buy the iPad already. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > Stop torturing her with the chinese-app-drip and
      > just buy her an iPad to give her the freedom she
      > deserves to be able to work the device yourself
      > without your help.

      It's not the device or the OS, it's the user.

      If they can't fend for themselves with WinDOS or Linux or MacOS, giving them the magical tablet isn't going to help.

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  12. So the tablets are doomed then. by aeoo · · Score: 1

    If gaming is their primary use, then tablet is doomed because the general purpose computers, game consoles and portable game consoles are all much, much better for playing games. It's not a good sign if the device's primary use involves a function it sucks at.

    The tablets failed to take off in the past and I think they'll fail again. They just don't fill a credible niche. They're largely useless. Maybe doctors and nurses will use them in hospitals to keep the patient notes, or maybe tablets can fill some other super-specialized industrial niche like that. But tablets suck as general purpose devices, and they suck as gaming devices as well.

    1. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Children play games. Children grow up with existing technology and make it apply for their daily life. Prepare for the future, chummer.

    2. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm predicting they'll follow a trendline similar to the PDA.

      They do fill a great void in niche markets, but I'm wondering at what cost? Everybody seems to want one without much rational thought... er, that sounds like the definition of "early adopters", nevermind.

    3. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by Altus · · Score: 1

      chummer

      Damn... that takes me back.

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    4. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      If gaming is their primary use, then tablet is doomed because the general purpose computers, game consoles and portable game consoles are all much, much better for playing games.

      That depends on the type of game. Tablets do not work for an FPS game, or a button bashing one. But they are suitable for mouse type games like Civilization or puzzle games. I loaded SCUMMVM on my tablet, and found that point and click adventures are well suited to it. I guess it is going to be more popular with the ever-growing casual gaming market rather than hardcore gamingt.

      I imagine that click and flick games would be ideal when interactive with your finger, and this isn't an action that suits a mouse. This demonstrates that it requires the game developers to have a mindset change to really take advantage of the user interface. The problems that you identify with tablet computing happen when you try to emulate the UI of existing computers or consoles.

      The biggest benefit that tablet computing brings is the portability. It doesn't matter that a full computer may be easier to use if that computer is sitting back in the office, or is a hassle to take out of the case and setup. Admittedly, I am a bit of a gadget guy myself, but I have always thought that small and light, low powered devices always trump heavier powerful systems because it doesn't matter how much more powerful something is if it hurts your back to carry it around all the time. I want a computing device that does not require any decision to lug it around all day.

    5. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      If gaming is their primary use, then tablet is doomed because the general purpose computers, game consoles and portable game consoles are all much, much better for playing games.

      First of all, those things you mentioned might be better for _certain types of gaming_, secondly, market forces simply do NOT work that way. Just look at BetaMax; clearly superior to VHS, yet VHS trumpeted it.

      Ie. tablets do what people want, it doesn't matter if some other device does _some_ of the functionality better if they don't do all the functionality better.

    6. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by node+3 · · Score: 1

      If gaming is their primary use, then tablet is doomed because the general purpose computers, game consoles and portable game consoles are all much, much better for playing games.

      Your logic is, something is doomed if people are using it a lot?

      Games are everywhere. What would be significantly more troubling for iPads would be if people *weren't* playing games on them.

      It's not a good sign if the device's primary use involves a function it sucks at.

      Says who? The millions of people spending many millions of hours playing games on them?

      The tablets failed to take off in the past and I think they'll fail again. They just don't fill a credible niche. They're largely useless.

      The iPad had, in less than one year, completely outsold all other tablets ever put on the market. That's not just a "credible niche", that's mainstream. The iPad is the most successful consumer electronics device ever. The market has spoken, and it wants iPads.

      Maybe doctors and nurses will use them in hospitals to keep the patient notes, or maybe tablets can fill some other super-specialized industrial niche like that.

      Maybe they will, but I don't understand why you keep trying to find some niche for a wildly successful product. It's like wondering if maybe TV will someday find a niche.

      But tablets suck as general purpose devices, and they suck as gaming devices as well.

      Yeah, keep repeating that and maybe it will somehow reverse reality and become true.

    7. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by aeoo · · Score: 1

      Games are everywhere. What would be significantly more troubling for iPads would be if people *weren't* playing games on them.

      I'm a huge gamer. Now tell me why I should play on an iPad. What will make me ditch my PC, PS3, xbox360, PSP and Nintendo DSi, and pick up iPad when I want to play some games?

    8. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      If gaming is their primary use...

      I doubt that gaming is the primary use, the reason they bought the tablet, however it is probably the most common use. People by the tablet to get email, browse the web, read books, watch videos, but while finding themselves on the bus, in a car, or a boring meeting, games are much easier to do and can take up much more time. I suspect you'd find the same thing with smart phones. People bought them as a phone but I bet lots of people spend more time playing games than talking on the phone.

    9. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Actually, "the children" are all using Nintendo devices.

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    10. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Games are everywhere. What would be significantly more troubling for iPads would be if people *weren't* playing games on them.

      I'm a huge gamer. Now tell me why I should play on an iPad. What will make me ditch my PC, PS3, xbox360, PSP and Nintendo DSi, and pick up iPad when I want to play some games?

      Who's asking you to ditch your PC, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP or DSi? No one here is even asking you to get an iPad. But even if they were, it would just be an additional device to play games on. You didn't get rid of any of the other devices each time you bought a different one.

      Most people don't have a cornucopia of gaming systems. Who are you to tell them the iPad sucks for playing games? For a lot of people, their iPhone or iPad is the best gaming device they have. Why shouldn't they play games on it if they are having fun? Because some nerd on the Internet told them so?

    11. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by aeoo · · Score: 1

      Who's asking you to ditch your PC, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP or DSi? No one here is even asking you to get an iPad. But even if they were, it would just be an additional device to play games on. You didn't get rid of any of the other devices each time you bought a different one.

      That's because each new device is great for playing games (with a great game library). The iPad sucks for playing games. I am a gamer. I know. I don't even like using stylus on Nintendo DSi. Just think how much I would "enjoy" using my smudgy greasy fingers on a screen, blocking the view of the game while controlling it? No thanks.

      Most people don't have a cornucopia of gaming systems.

      That's right. Most people are not game connoisseurs like yours truly. :) So when I talk about gaming, I actually somewhat know what I am talking about. I have years of experience on many devises with many input methods.

      Why shouldn't they play games on it if they are having fun?

      Gosh... this is idiotic. I am not here to tell others how to live their lives. I am just saying that in my opinion the tablets will generally fail in the market like they did the first time (remember all the tablet hype years ago?). I think the tablets might succeed if they abandon the "walled garden" philosophy and become extensible and configurable general purpose devices, but I don't see that happening yet. In this hypothetical scenario what will carry the tablets is not their form factor (which is OK) or input method (which sucks very badly), but the open nature.

    12. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Who's asking you to ditch your PC, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP or DSi? No one here is even asking you to get an iPad. But even if they were, it would just be an additional device to play games on. You didn't get rid of any of the other devices each time you bought a different one.

      That's because each new device is great for playing games (with a great game library). The iPad sucks for playing games. I am a gamer. I know. I don't even like using stylus on Nintendo DSi. Just think how much I would "enjoy" using my smudgy greasy fingers on a screen, blocking the view of the game while controlling it? No thanks.

      I still don't see what your "enjoyment" has to do with the over 100 million people who game on their iPads and iPhones and iPod touches. If you don't want an iPad (or whatever) no one is telling you to get one, or to like one, or to replace your assortment of consoles with one.

      Most people don't have a cornucopia of gaming systems.

      That's right. Most people are not game connoisseurs like yours truly. :) So when I talk about gaming, I actually somewhat know what I am talking about. I have years of experience on many devises with many input methods.

      And yet you've never played Angry Birds. If you had, you'd realize that not all games need a d-pad, analog joystick, or keyboard and mouse to be fun. It's fine that you don't think you'll enjoy multitouch games. Some people don't like Wii games, or don't like PC games, etc. Big deal. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not enjoyable for other people, including the well over 100 million iOS users.

      Why shouldn't they play games on it if they are having fun?

      Gosh... this is idiotic. I am not here to tell others how to live their lives. I am just saying that in my opinion the tablets will generally fail in the market like they did the first time (remember all the tablet hype years ago?). I think the tablets might succeed if they abandon the "walled garden" philosophy and become extensible and configurable general purpose devices, but I don't see that happening yet. In this hypothetical scenario what will carry the tablets is not their form factor (which is OK) or input method (which sucks very badly), but the open nature.

      You are applying your own personal views to others. Tablets failed because they were Windows computers with pen-input tacked on. Nobody wants that. The iPad has outsold every other tablet computer ever made combined, and did so in less than one year. People want iPads. They play games on iPads. If iPads "sucked very badly" for games, people wouldn't be playing them.

      If you think people don't like them, or that they want "open" devices, you are delusional. If they wanted those things, they wouldn't be buying iPads in ever increasing numbers. Your nerd sensibilities don't apply to the masses. They only apply to you, and those like you. Which is a minority. And you will always be able to buy more open, more complex systems, so don't worry about it.

    13. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by aeoo · · Score: 1

      You are applying your own personal views to others. Tablets failed because they were Windows computers with pen-input tacked on. Nobody wants that.

      What the fuck is this? Are you blind? Can you read?

      Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not enjoyable for other people, including the well over 100 million iOS users.

      I wasn't talking about iOS. I was talking specifically about tablets. I think the phone format is legitimate as a phone + PDA, which is how people use phones these days. Phones are necessary to make phone calls. Making phone calls is a killer app, so phones aren't going anywhere. If you can then tack something more onto a phone and keep it small and comfortable, that's just icing on the cake, and the killer app will carry this type of a mutt forward.

      There are roughly 30 mil iPads in circulation. That doesn't mean the whole thing is not a fad. Hell, I am convinced Wii is a fad, even though it has an absurd number of hardware units in circulation. Many Wii owners agree with me (they say it's true that their Wii mostly collects dust). I know what your opinion is, and you're entitled to it. My opinion is that the fad will wear out unless iPads can find something better to do than play games (or get radically better at playing games). iPads suck for games.

      Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olXj_FwJoog

      Do you see how hugely and annoying the guy's finger is blocking the view while he's controlling the game? Guess what? I've been playing Nintendo DSi games for a while. Nintendo DSi is made for games. It comes with a stylus. I found that even though stylus is thin compared to a finger (and more accurate), it's still damn annoying in how it blocks the screen and keeps moving around right over the game area, constantly blocking different parts of the screen. Now, in Nintendo's case, they have two screens. So sometimes it doesn't matter, depending on the game. If the main content is on the top screen, then it's not so bad. If the main content is on the bottom screen, then it's bad. Not to mention using stylus is just annoying in and of itself, and using a greasy finger is even more annoying. Using your finger is an option with Nintendo DSi. I've used it that way plenty to know that I think it sucks, that it's an inferior mode of control.

      Other people don't have my experience. Many of them are buying a touch-screen device for the first time. They've heard the hype but have never used touch-screens seriously. They'll get a chance to use them now and they'll soon make up their minds if they like it or not, and just how serious of games can be played on the device.

      And yes, it's my opinion. I'm sorry you don't like it. Oh wait. No, I am not. I don't like your opinion either. Not to mention your blinding hypocrisy and bullshit.

    14. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by node+3 · · Score: 1

      You are having a difficult time realizing your claim that the tablet market will dry up is you applying your own point of view to everyone else. The thing that should clue you in that you are woefully wrong here is the phenomenal success of the iPad. You seem to think people are just being suckered in by the hype and will end up agreeing with your nerd sensibilities, leaving the market to wither.

      This completely ignores reality. Reality is people are buying iPads at an increasing rate. Reality is people are highly satisfied with their iPads. Reality is they enjoy playing games on them. Reality is most people aren't nerds, and it's almost solely nerds who seem to think iPads are no good.

      The most amusing part is how confused the nerds are that the normal people don't share their opinions.

    15. Re:So the tablets are doomed then. by aeoo · · Score: 1

      You are having a difficult time realizing your claim that the tablet market will dry up is you applying your own point of view to everyone else

      You're doing the same thing.

      The thing that should clue you in that you are woefully wrong here is the phenomenal success of the iPad.

      If the sales number are the only indicator of the success, then yes, the iPad is a success and so is Wii.

      You seem to think people are just being suckered in by the hype and will end up agreeing with your nerd sensibilities, leaving the market to wither.

      Nerd? Are you jumping to conclusions? Should I call your sensibilities "jock sensibilities"? Perhaps you're a nerd who thinks by praising iPad you can distance yourself from your nerdly past? And you're projecting this psychological flaw onto everyone you meet?

      And yes, I do think people are suckered by the hype. In Wii's case people are also suckered by nostalgia. (How many adults have a warm glowy feelings about Nintendo based on their childhood Mario memories?) I think that hype actually works is a fact. Sad, but true.

      Reality is people are highly satisfied with their iPads.

      Really? How do you know this?

      Reality is they enjoy playing games on them.

      People play minefield to pass time at work. That doesn't mean they enjoy playing minefield.

      Reality is most people aren't nerds, and it's almost solely nerds who seem to think iPads are no good.

      Define "nerd". I have no idea what you're talking about. I am not from USA, btw. I didn't grow up with a nerd concept in my country of origin. Nerd-idea is purely an American thing. I've learned that Nerds and Jocks are supposed to be opposites. That's as far as my knowledge goes. So explain it.

  13. Infinity Blade by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    There are actually quite a lot of good games for the iPad (and lets be honest what tablets the people being surveyed really owned).

    But one I know for sure can easily be played for longer than an hour, is the aptly named Infinity Blade. It's the really well done kind of RPG with a quick cycle but a ton of different upgrades to earn/buy.

    Something like the omni-present Angry Birds or Plants vs. Zombies, can easily be good for several hours.

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  14. Gaming by danbuter · · Score: 1

    Gaming is the most popular use for most computers outside of servers.

  15. Bad news for Android then by Sarusa · · Score: 2

    I love my Android phone - I'd much rather have a good Android tablet than an iPad. But right now, Android on tablet sucks (3.1 please?) and the Android tablet gaming ecosystem is abysmal. One session of Infinity Blade and then browsing the iTunes App Store for iPad only apps is enough to confirm that unless you're stupidly partisan.

    So if gaming is the primary use, there's no reason whatsoever for people to buy a XOOM over an iPad 2. Hell, I wouldn't either right now.

    This may change in the future. I sure hope so.

    1. Re:Bad news for Android then by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not to mention fruit ninja's lack of multitouch on Andriod. Programmers are really dropping the ball on Android for some reason, choosing to support outdated versions despite some vast majority of the population running 2.2 or higher. One thing Apple has is apps that are more refined. Less free apps, but more refined none the less.

  16. You mean like ALL the other tablets today? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You can't upgrade an iPad. You can't install more RAM, or a new processor, or even (IIRC) a new battery. Even the XBox is more moddable. That's different than peripherals.

    Well in that case you're no worse off than any other tablet made today or the foreseeable future.

    And you are still substantially better off because as I noted the iPad has a huge world of accessories targeting it, which are the only components mentioned in the original post that the user would change or replace or add.

    But to make what you want, a tablet where you can change out the processor or even battery - there you have to go back to MY point about people surface-mounting components at home, in order to have anything even close to as small and light as a modern tablet is.

    The aspect you are missing in this new world? How much of the traditionally larger data sets can and will be held off-device. It doesn't matter if your MPS library is 400GB is as much as you need is cached locally or streamed, same goes for movies or TV shows. That takes care of storage, And applications that are targeting substantially smaller internal memory footprints means that adding memory really only helps keep a few more apps open when multitasking is all.

    Most people simply do not update PC's or laptops today. So why should (or would!) they in the future with the "post-PC"?

    As another poster noted elsewhere, it's not like real PC's are going away. Web designers, programmers, scientists are all going to need real PC's where you can do all the things you desire. But tablets are a truly different computing space, and we should not be trying to shove all of the baggage we've been hauling around for years with the PC without a ton of thought.

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    1. Re:You mean like ALL the other tablets today? by Frangible · · Score: 1

      I even have a tablet computer I've upgraded the RAM on (MicroDIMMs... oh so economical!!), added a solid state drive, and a larger battery. A Fujitsu P1610 ... weighs about 1 kg, on par with the iPad. Similar screen size. Some dude in China even upgraded the CPU on his. Microsoft continues to support tablet PCs in Windows 7. And there are many of them on the market.

      So if he wants an "open" tablet PC, they certainly exist. And guess what? They suffer because they lack the cohesive and efficient mesh of hardware and software of the iPad.

      And that ain't fanboyism, I spent far more money on my Fujitsu P1610 than my iPad. And I like the Fujitsu. Made in Japan, transreflective sunlight readable display, etc. More capable and faster than the iPad. Yet it gets used much, much less.

      There are things more important than being able to spend obscene amounts of money to buy stupid little Micro DIMM modules. (I own a 2 GB one, thank you very much)

    2. Re:You mean like ALL the other tablets today? by Wovel · · Score: 1

      If by on par you mean roughly twice the iPads 613g, sure. The ipad is 8.8mm thick, the P1610 also has a smaller screen then the iPad (8.9"), and is roughly 3.5x as thick as the iPad (34.5mm vs the IPads 8.8mm). What possessed you to make make a comparison. Of course you can upgrade the parts in the p1610, it is thicker than a MacBook pro (24.1mm).

      The original iPad outsold the entire 10 year history of tablets like the p1610 in it's first week. Consumer and business alike have shunned the desktop OS tablet for over a decade.

    3. Re:You mean like ALL the other tablets today? by am+2k · · Score: 1

      A Fujitsu P1610 ... weighs about 1 kg, on par with the iPad.

      Uhhh... No? The iPad2 has 601g, which is a huge difference when you're holding it with one hand.

      Microsoft continues to support tablet PCs in Windows 7.

      Technically, yes. I recently tried using Windows 7 with a touchscreen monitor (by iiyama). Technically it worked (after fiddling around for 20mins), but I was unable to hit any menu on the screen, it was too small by far, even though I cranked the resolution down to unbearable levels. On the iPad, every dev knows that a touch area has to be at least 44x44px to be usable. On Windows 7, nobody cares (and the area required even depends on the device used, which makes it kinda impossible even if the dev wanted).

  17. A tablet could be a great portable gaming device by poly_pusher · · Score: 1

    Tablets are potentially a great portable gaming device. They won't replace PC's anytime soon for many practical reasons but that doesn't mean that a tablet can't be a great portable gaming device. For instance, The Asus EEE EP121 http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=QhWKR7Fmv4jDLbBY This is a pretty powerful tablet. Heavier than the Ipad or Ipad 2 but incredibly potent. If they come out with a variant that includes a sandy bridge processor, then we are getting into a realm where gaming on a tablet is very real. Gabe Newell of Valve/Steam referred to Sandy Bridge as a processor that makes a console experience possible on a PC or Mac. This is what they should focus on. A tablet that runs the same OS as the main system. Capable graphics that can run new generation games at scaled back settings. This way you could for instance have steam on your tablet and your PC. Play the same game on either, just with a different quality experience but portable.

  18. Re-think your assumptions by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    - manage a firewall as powerful as iptables/pf

    You can try using pfctl on a jailbroken iPad today.

    But isn't it better that a system have zero open ports by default and not NEED iPtables until you start doing things that require it? Remember running any app can only corrupt the dataspace for that app.

    - have full control over encryption on all filesystems

    The whole filesystem is hardware encrypted, and has been since the 3Gs I believe.

    - write an interpreter aka scripting environment

    Did you even READ the part where I said the 1% of people who need something more technical can jailbreak? Then you can run local python, perl, bash shells, or whatever.

    Or if you don't like to jailbreak for some odd reason you can simply use whatever scripting language pleases you after you buy a $99/year developer license and write any scripting you like into your own apps which you deploy to your own device. But that was what you said you wanted.

    So I guess it's time for you to start re-thinking your assumptions.

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    1. Re:Re-think your assumptions by pmontra · · Score: 1

      The choices are jailbreaking (which is something Apple doesn't appreciate) or paying a $99 yearly fee to use your device almost as if it were really yours. Both choices are bad. When you face only bad options you know that something wrong already happened and somebody (maybe even yourself) put you into an undesirable position. In this case the only good choice is not to buy that device. A better choice would be Apple removing those limitations but that's wishful thinking.

  19. Thank you Slashdot, this impacts me directly by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I have a Flash video game, I wrote over the past year(about 800+ hours worth of work by me, maybe 4,000 man hours across the project). I think it just might run on Tablets easy. I'm going to drive to Best Buy and run a version of it on their store product because I don't actually own a tablet myself. So thank you Slashdot. I get to get out tomorrow.

    Now here is a question, if you write a hit game on Android and sell it for $0.99 in their ap store, what would you make in profits?

    1. Re:Thank you Slashdot, this impacts me directly by ADRA · · Score: 1

      70% gross on sales - Opportunity cost of writing the game = ($100,000)

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    2. Re:Thank you Slashdot, this impacts me directly by pmontra · · Score: 1

      Now here is a question, if you write a hit game on Android and sell it for $0.99 in their ap store, what would you make in profits?

      Something proportional to the amount of time and money you invest in advertising. Tablets may have changed the market but not the rules.

    3. Re:Thank you Slashdot, this impacts me directly by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      100% profit, if you sell the app on your own website, right?

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    4. Re:Thank you Slashdot, this impacts me directly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not much.
      Your barriers:
      1. You'd have to overcome the lack of app discovery on the Android Market. Most people won't know your app even exists.
      2. Pirating. While there has been speculation that up to 90% of paid apps are pirated, I don't really know for sure. One thing for sure is that it's certainly up there.
      3. It's flash. It's probably going to be slow. The flimsiness and slowness of Flash on Android is the elephant in the room that Android fanboys don't talk about when they brag about how Android has Flash support and the iPad/iPhone doesn't.
      4. Is it designed for a tablet? Applications designed for a keyboard and/or mouse probably will need changes to work with a touch screen interface.

      The "Google Way" seems to be to give your app away for free and make money on the advertisements.

  20. Re:A tablet could be a great portable gaming devic by Karlt1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Putting Windows on a tablet computer. Why didn't someone think of this earlier?

    Oh yeah they did! Every year for the past 10+ years and they have all failed.

  21. Heck no! by SteveW928 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to be replacing my laptop with an iPad 2 as soon as I can get the purchase 'cleared' by the SO (or find enough things to sell). The technology has reached a point where most anything can be done, it is simply another form or computing. For example, PhotoShop appears to be coming to iOS. There is enough computing power there to do just about anything other than the really heavy stuff like CGI rendering or re-encoding video, etc. Not that it couldn't do this, but just wouldn't be very fast at it. The big difference is the UI. There are going to be some kind of tasks which are better suited for a tablet, and some which are better suited to the typical mouse-driven GUI we're familiar with. But, the kinds of apps and things which can be done on either, with the exception of power use, is going to quickly disappear.

    1. Re:Heck no! by SteveW928 · · Score: 1

      Oh, also I'd say that while I play a game from time to time... for me that is the least used thing. I've got a PS3 for that!

  22. I gotta say...WTF? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    No offense dude, but it sounds like a classic case of putting the lipstick on a pig. if you need all those accessories to use the thing? Then perhaps a tablet ain't the right tool for your particular job. And tablets as a "gaming platform"? if you call Angry Birds and Farmvillve games instead of time wasters then MAYBE.

    I think this is just another case of everybody and their dog jumping on the new fad and thinking its the second coming. Remember when netbooks were the new hotness? Hell I saw "gaming netbooks" pushed then as well, anything to separate your offering from the pack. What happened to those? oh yeah people found out that cheap and little only got you so far and the bottom fell out, same as what will happen to tablets.

    Do I think tablets are toast? Nope same as I doubt netbooks will ever truly go away, as both have their uses. For netbooks it is those like my dad who I picked up a nice AMD dual netbook for, it was only $430 and is small enough he can just throw it in his briefcase and if he needs to shoot out an invoice or check on a part on the job site he can just flip it on and BAM, its done. It also gives him an easy way to watch videos and check his mail while waiting on a contractor. But even my oldest who I thought being in college would appreciate the form factor ended up going with a full laptop (I found him a nice deal on a Turion cheap) because he found the form factor too small and limiting (it probably didn't help that he and his buddies frag fest to kill time between classes either).

    Same thing with tablets, in that while the average Joe will probably quickly get bored and look for the next new hotness for the medical and warehouse trades the tablet is like a Godsend. All the doctor's offices and hospitals in my area are switching to tablets, which lets the doc have any and all data at his fingertips, lets the nurses update charts, etc, while in the warehouse business several of my customers are using tablets now for inventory management and just love the things to death.

    So in the end I think the same thing that happened to netbooks will happen to tablets, we just haven't reached the saturation point yet. it is still too new and many are still in the new hotness stage, once it has been out for a little while and folks see that it isn't the second coming most will get dumped, just like how my Craigslist is plumb full of netbooks ATM. Gaming is simply better done with some buttons or a controller and the tablet FF? Not really made for that.

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  23. Reconsider what you consider games there by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    if you call Angry Birds and Farmvillve games instead of time wasters then MAYBE.

    Farmville, I totally agree. It's rather aptly name in that the ONLY thing you are doing is literally farming, in the classic MMORPG sense.

    The thing that takes it away from being a "game" in my mind, is that a lack of skill does zero to hurt you, or even really help you that much. All you have to do is exist.

    But Angry Birds is very much a game in any sense, and not a "time waster". At the start anyone can easily complete levels but after some progression it takes real skill, intelligence and manual dexterity to complete a level.

    The same goes with many other games on the iPad today, sure you have Farmville's but you have a lot of other stuff that is really a game by any traditional sense, just with a touch-based control scheme (though even there some games are starting to branch out, allowing a second screen to present the game while the main screen is the controller, or supporting third-party alternative controls).

    So in the end I think the same thing that happened to netbooks will happen to tablets, we just haven't reached the saturation point yet. it is still too new and many are still in the new hotness stage, once it has been out for a little while and folks see that it isn't the second coming most will get dumped, just like how my Craigslist is plumb full of netbooks ATM.

    Netbooks were dumped because in the end the were a really badly specced computer. But they were still a computer. I don't think you'll see that happen with the iPad because the original iPad will be able to do a huge number of things for many years, out to whatever the hardware lifespan of the device might be.

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    1. Re:Reconsider what you consider games there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farmville is a great game. My friend used it to make this: http://i51.tinypic.com/2m30kmt.jpg

    2. Re:Reconsider what you consider games there by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Notice I said TABLET and NOT the iPad, because frankly it is like comparing a Ferrari and a Civic. Frankly with all the status around the Apple logo they could probably polish old Steve's turds and package them and make bank.

      Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure like their other products the iPad is well designed, but anybody that doesn't think the Apple name has a LOT to do with their figures is delusional. hell my 70 year old dad can't figure out how to text on his current phone and is seriously talking about going iPhone. Why? Is it offering some feature set or better UI or something he doesn't currently have? Nope, it is because all his contractor buddies have one and he wants to keep up with the latest trend.

      So frankly it doesn't matter what happens in the tablet market as iPad will continue to sell, just as it doesn't matter there are plenty of PMPs with better feature sets than iPod but that doesn't keep everyone and their dog from tripping right over them to spend three times the price for the Apple logo. I really have to give the man credit, Jobs took a DOA company and turned them into THE boutique consumer electronics brand, like Sony had in the 80s when they could do no wrong with Walkman. Once he passes and they lose his ability to hype the brand they may be in trouble, but right now they have a license to print money.

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    3. Re:Reconsider what you consider games there by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Notice I said TABLET and NOT the iPad

      I'm not sure why why anyone would do that when it is obvious what is meant by "tablet". Indeed to really make the point you thought you were making you should have explicitly stated "non-Apple tablet".

      Frankly with all the status around the Apple logo they could probably polish old Steve's turds and package them and make bank.

      Another common misconception, because marketing just draws attention to a product upon which it must live or die on the merits. At this point the jury is in, and the success of the iPad has nothing whatsoever to do with marketing. That has only accelerated sales from what is naturally a popular product if you took any time at all to watch normal (non-technical) people using one.

      hell my 70 year old dad can't figure out how to text on his current phone and is seriously talking about going iPhone. Why? Is it offering some feature set or better UI or something he doesn't currently have? Nope, it is because all his contractor buddies have one and he wants to keep up with the latest trend.

      This to me, is the most perfect encapsulation of the insanity and willful ignoring of facts around Apple and Slashdot posters I have yet seen.

      "My father wants to buy an iPhone because of marketing", even though the "marketing" consists of five friends who I am pretty sure do not work for Apple. Hint: It goes way beyond marketing when someone thinks a thing is useful and tells others.

      Your father can't text and simply wants a phone where he can, no connection there whatsoever in your mind that the two might be linked in any way - not any a mere disassociation, but an active one that takes a strong will to maintain with statements like "Is it offering some feature set or better UI or something he doesn't currently have? Nope".

      Hey, the texting UI is obviously better for him.

      that doesn't keep everyone and their dog from tripping right over them to spend three times the price for the Apple logo

      And that, is why you fail at market analysis and will continue to do so until you are willing to look with open eyes and mind and say "this is good and helpful" and "this is not", not have a ready-made answer manufactured in your mind based on brand. In real life you are for more brand-controlled than any Apple buyer ever was.

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    4. Re:Reconsider what you consider games there by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Allow me to use an old Mel Brooks line: bullshit, bullshit aaaaaand bullshit! It is pretty damned common for those NOT talking about the iPad to say "tablet" while calling the iPad the iPad because one is a description of a general device,. the other a brand. or do you expect every sentence to begin "all devices not built by Jobs"?

      And wow, check out the fanboy love? Do you have the autographed pic of Steve on your wall you can squee to? And perhaps you'll explain the "I am Rich" app which would have only sold on an Apple device since its purpose is a status symbol? And my dad wants one because the contractors are rich, and he wants to show his wealth and THAT'S IT.

      Hell I have watched Appleites damned near come to blows over which was better, the Air or the MBP and it came down to...dum dum dum...how much they cost! Does that SOUND like a device that isn't being sold on price? Hell it certainly isn't being sold on quality, not with the crappy heatsink compound and all the failing GPUs and hangups with the latest models!

      Look sparky, you can waste your breath arguing they are "a good value for the money" or whatever bullshit you care to peddle, it doesn't change the fact that the core demographic of Apple users makes over $100k and that is EXACTLY how Steve likes it. It is a hipster boutique label, it always has been.

      According to estimates they are currently making nearly 40% profit on iPad which is the highest markup in the business BAR NONE (current estimate for cost? less than $370 for first gen, less than $340 for second) and there is NO WAY you could keep markups THAT high if there were actually competition, but Android isn't a status symbol is it? It would be like saying there is competition for Ferrari in Mustang, it just doesn't add up.

      But you're about to see what I'm saying is true, as Android has overtaken apple and sales of iPhone have flatlined. Soon I wouldn't be surprised if iPad joins it. Why? Because the majority of the planet IS NOT rich and don't care for status symbols enough to spend the markup required, which Apple most certainly IS.

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  24. Re:A tablet could be a great portable gaming devic by Frangible · · Score: 1

    I have a Fujitsu P1610, a tablet PC more powerful than an iPad, and have owned it for years. It's nothing new. And guess what? Gaming on it sucks, and it has little to do with the framerate -- though it's getting dated now my chief complaint with gaming on it was never the framerate, it was the interface.

    That's largely true of the iPad as well, because very few games are suited for touch input (Angry Birds etc). If you want portable gaming, get a DS or PSP. The controller is king.

    And yeah, I've paired Bluetooth pads and keyboards with my Droid X, and tried running emulators. Awkward.

    Even my Macbook Pro which has a beautiful screen, fast GPU/CPU, kickass touchpad, etc is not fun to game on.

    Portable gaming has little to do with hardware power. Even an old GBA is a better experience than machines many orders of magnitude more powerful.

  25. Can we please have an identical study... by UBfusion · · Score: 1

    using the same methodology, sample and tools to investigate the current uses of netbooks (or laptops)? I'd like to see the impact of the form factor on people's patterns of device use.

    Personally, I have some pet theories regarding tablet use:

    1. Games & apps for tablets seem to be a LOT cheaper than their netbook/laptop/desktop equivalents. (I have in mind a Photoshop plugin called Athentech Perfectly Clear, used to enhance pictures. The PC version is $199, while the iPad version is $5.99!). This means that people who wouldn't normally risk purchasing a PC game at say $70 are more likely to purchase 10 tablet games at $3. So, having downloaded more tablet games it's inevitable that people will spend more time to explore them and enjoy them e.g. on the sofa, in the kitchen, in bed or in the WC.

    2. Another factor is the psychological one: Subconsciously we tend to associate our laptop/netbook (not to mention our desktop PCs) mainly with doing work and therefore we feel a certain kind of guilt when playing games or procrastinating on them. The tablet helps transfer the feeling of guilt onto a new device, which gradually becomes associated more and more with recreational activities rather than work-like activities.

    3. Either way, the tablet is becoming the vehicle (or the substitute) of the dream about the future of our society: less work, more free time. I remember several articles/books of the past decades predicting that in the future (meaning the 21st century), technology will change the way we work, resulting in e.g. a 3 hours per day work, leaving the the rest of the day free for recreation/family/self fulfillment. Thus, the tablet presently materializes The Imaginary function of technology according to Lacan's point of view - living in a future, better, merrier world now and not later (this after all is the Desire driving all early adopters).

    What do you think?

    1. Re:Can we please have an identical study... by pmontra · · Score: 1

      3. Either way, the tablet is becoming the vehicle (or the substitute) of the dream about the future of our society: less work, more free time. I remember several articles/books of the past decades predicting that in the future (meaning the 21st century), technology will change the way we work, resulting in e.g. a 3 hours per day work, leaving the the rest of the day free for recreation/family/self fulfillment. Thus, the tablet presently materializes The Imaginary function of technology according to Lacan's point of view - living in a future, better, merrier world now and not later (this after all is the Desire driving all early adopters).

      What do you think?

      Those kind of dreams may be selling tablets and other technologies but I think that if you work 3 hours per day you'll be paid about half of what you get if you work full time. If that pays your bills it's OK otherwise it's not good for you even if you've got a tablet in your hands.

      We'll be able to work little only when food, health and housing will be cheap but people providing those facilities will always try to get as much money as they can so I don't see this coming anytime soon and especially not in the USA. It seems very unamerican (a masochist country?). We'd need a global agreement on those issues but I bet I'll die much before that time.

  26. So Tablets are doomed, yes? by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    If gaming is their primary use, then tablet is doomed because the general purpose computers, game consoles and portable game consoles are all much, much better for playing games.

    If by doomed you mean selling 15 million units within 9 months since release (Apples iPad 1), then count me in on the 'doomed' thing. ...
    And please don't forget that gaming also was the main reason PCs took of back in the day.

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    1. Re:So Tablets are doomed, yes? by aeoo · · Score: 1

      And please don't forget that gaming also was the main reason PCs took of back in the day.

      PC were great for gaming. They were both open and very flexible devices in terms of both input and output.

  27. Once economies of scale disappear from PCs by tepples · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if your MPS library is 400GB is as much as you need is cached locally or streamed

    But when will U.S. carriers start to offer enough data transfer to get things in and out of that cache at a non-prohibitive price? It's no good to have 400 GB if you can only stream 5 GB every month. Or are you talking about waiting until in range of an open Wi-Fi and then swapping things in and out of the local cache?

    it's not like real PC's are going away.

    That's not always true. The idea of a home computer connected to a television has gone away; it was common in the early 1980s but is nearly unheard of now in favor of locked-down devices. (I can provide 7 citations if you wish.) And how will people do tasks that need a real PC once economies of scale disappear from the PC market and PCs become several times more expensive?

    1. Re:Once economies of scale disappear from PCs by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      . Or are you talking about waiting until in range of an open Wi-Fi and then swapping things in and out of the local cache?

      A mixture, but what's wrong with waiting for WiFi spots to do the heavy lifting? It's just like what you have to do syncing from PC's with mobile devices today, only any WiFi will do instead of only your home...

      The idea of a home computer connected to a television has gone away; it was common in the early 1980s but is nearly unheard of now in favor of locked-down devices. (I can provide 7 citations if you wish.)

      Given the number of people who have Mac mini systems and various other Linux systems attached to TV', AND the ability to easily mirror the iPad2 screen over HDMI, I would say that in fact there has never been a greater number of computers hooked to TVs.

      And how will people do tasks that need a real PC once economies of scale disappear from the PC market and PCs become several times more expensive?

      The high end systems will remain about the same price, it's the cheap crappy systems that would decline. There are easily enough advanced computer consumers to make future R&D worthwhile.

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  28. Greatly outnumbered by tepples · · Score: 1

    For people that want that, they can buy a... PC!

    The tablet is for people that don't actually want a PC

    So once the market shifts such that the "people that don't actually want a PC" so greatly outnumber the people that do want a PC, and the economies of scale of making PCs have dried up, what should people that do want a PC do?

    1. Re:Greatly outnumbered by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      So once the market shifts such that the "people that don't actually want a PC" so greatly outnumber the people that do want a PC, and the economies of scale of making PCs have dried up, what should people that do want a PC do?

      I wouldn't worry about your PC, the tablets will still require a PC if just to store stuff, and most people will still have PCs for the original reasons they bought them in the first place. What you should worry about would be laptops. Tablets wont cut into PC sales as much as they might laptop sales because more people don't want or need a laptop over a tablet as much as a PC over a tablet. In the office where I do IT, I have already seen several manager types and doctors switch to tablets from laptops. They're much lighter and easier to carry, do 98% of the work they need to with email and the web, and for the other 2%, they RDC back to their office computer.

    2. Re:Greatly outnumbered by tepples · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry about your PC, the tablets will still require a PC if just to store stuff

      Not once USB host adapters and Wi-Fi NAS devices become common. Imagine a future model of iPad not designed to require iTunes. It can store stuff on a Time Capsule or other NAS, on a USB hard drive, or on a leased FTP server. What will its users need a PC for?

      [Tablets are] much lighter and easier to carry [than laptops], do 98% of the work they need to with email and the web

      I do a lot of programming on the bus commute. Tablets are explicitly not designed for programming. Therefore, I carry a 10" laptop because I'm a 2%er. Trouble is, 2%ers do not a market make.

      and for the other 2%, they RDC back to their office computer.

      That would cost me an extra $720 per year for a mobile data plan. Companies can afford it; students and hobbyists often cannot.

    3. Re:Greatly outnumbered by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      >> I wouldn't worry about your PC, the tablets
      >> will still require a PC if just to store stuff
      >
      > Not once USB host adapters and Wi-Fi NAS devices become
      > common. Imagine a future model of iPad not designed to
      > require iTunes. It can store stuff on a Time Capsule or other
      > NAS, on a USB hard drive, or on a leased FTP server. What
      > will its users need a PC for?

      Then the iPad has become a PC. Will Apple really allow that to happen? Doubtful.

      Something like Android may allow for such a thing.

      The main advantage of the PC has always been that the user is in full control of it.

      Already, even iDevices are far more capable than Apple allows them to be.

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    4. Re:Greatly outnumbered by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then the iPad has become a PC.

      Not exactly. The owner of a PC has root. The owner of an iPad does not, even if the iPad can store documents on FTP, NAS, or USB mass storage.

    5. Re:Greatly outnumbered by node+3 · · Score: 1

      For people that want that, they can buy a... PC!

      The tablet is for people that don't actually want a PC

      So once the market shifts such that the "people that don't actually want a PC" so greatly outnumber the people that do want a PC, and the economies of scale of making PCs have dried up, what should people that do want a PC do?

      The same thing people who want a record player do today. They buy a record player.

    6. Re:Greatly outnumbered by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Then the iPad has become a PC.

      Not exactly. The owner of a PC has root. The owner of an iPad does not, even if the iPad can store documents on FTP, NAS, or USB mass storage.

      The thing you and jed and the rest don't understand is people don't want root. They don't want FTP, NAS, USB host devices, etc., etc. They just want to turn it on and use it.

      For those in the minority, like you, there will always be options with more flexible capabilities. You're witnessing the advent of the automatic transmission, and freaking out that people won't be in full control over what gear they are in. Most don't need to, and simply don't care. Those that do need to can buy a car with manual transmission. What's the big deal? Why oppose something that works better for others?

    7. Re:Greatly outnumbered by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Already, even iDevices are far more capable than Apple allows them to be.

      Actually, iOS devices are far more capable now than they would be if they were more "open" or more PC-like in terms of things like root access and open filesystems and all the other things geeks bitch about. That's why they are so popular, and Android devices have failed miserably outside of the artificially affected handset market.

      Additional capabilities only help if the user can make use of them. Geeks can make use of these things, but most other people either cannot, or simply don't care enough to expend the effort. People want, just like your sig says, for it to just "go". They don't want to get mired down in unnecessary options, or have to deal with additional complexity.

      If you want root, if you want full control, if you want to be able to customize every little detail, you will always be able to buy a PC and run Linux. This will never change. Even when Moore's Law makes the idea of a dedicated computing unit quaint, you will still be able to fire up a VM in your contact lens computer and run Linux until your eyes dry up if you want.

      Just please quit making the mistake that that's what everyone else wants, or that most people are even well served by such a system.

    8. Re:Greatly outnumbered by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I do a lot of programming on the bus commute. Tablets are explicitly not designed for programming. Therefore, I carry a 10" laptop because I'm a 2%er. Trouble is, 2%ers do not a market make.

      Why not? 2% is well over 100 million people worldwide, and over 6 million in the US alone. That's a very viable market size. Gaming mice, Wacom tablets, Photoshop, Linux, Visual Studio, Ham radio, DSLR cameras, hot air balloons, horses, manual transmission cars, ball peen hammers, paint brushes, trombones, Boxee Boxes, Sega Saturn emulators... There are tons of viable and profitable markets that are much smaller than 2%. There will always be people who want or need PCs, so they will always be made.

      Are you worried that PCs (or notebooks or whatever) won't be available anymore, or are you worried that you will start being the weird one who still carries around a notebook after everyone else has moved on? Newsflash, you already are the weird one. The only difference is that, today, everyone else has to buy the computer that is ideal for you, but not for them, because they don't have a choice that's well suited for them. The iPad is beginning to change that.

      The industry already makes computers that are good for you, why begrudge it when the market begins to serve everyone else too?

      and for the other 2%, they RDC back to their office computer.

      That would cost me an extra $720 per year for a mobile data plan. Companies can afford it; students and hobbyists often cannot.

      Of course they can. I see hobbyists and students with iPhones all over the place. Also, data plans are much less than $60/month.

      And if you can't afford it, you can always forego the data plan and use wifi. That won't help you on the bus, but you can do other things. That's what the rest of us do when we can't afford something, we make do with what we have.

  29. What??? by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    Gaming is the most popular use for over priced toys?

    I'm truly shocked!!!

  30. Popular by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Of course more people probably use them more for work, but they want to use them for games, so its more popular.

    And in other news minesweeper and Solitaire top the 'most often used PC applications' list

  31. Not all puzzle games are the same by tepples · · Score: 1

    Tablets do not work for an FPS game, or a button bashing one. But they are suitable for mouse type games like Civilization or puzzle games.

    True, a handheld or a laptop with a gamepad is better for platformers and the like, and a tablet could be better for RTS games such as Starcraft or Total Annihilation. But not all puzzle games are better with a tablet. Bejeweled wants a tablet, but Tetris wants a gamepad or an arcade joystick. How would this be done on a tablet?

  32. Wouldn't apps need to be modified for a mouse? by tepples · · Score: 1

    That one's easy, click and drag to zoom in on the selected region

    Which as I understand it would require each application to be individually modified to support this mode of interaction. One couldn't take an existing app that requires multitouch and use it with a mouse. Dragging would just scroll the map. Or what am I missing in the Android API that abstracts over the difference between mouse and touch control?

    or use the scroll wheel to zoom in and out similar to the way Google maps does it

    Does Google Maps for Android do it this way when a standard USB mouse is plugged into a device through a USB host cable? Or would it too need to be modified to recognize a mouse?

    1. Re:Wouldn't apps need to be modified for a mouse? by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      I've only played with an Android phone briefly so I don't have the experience to tell you what's possible or how it interacts if you use a mouse. Just saying that there are existing examples of Google applications that interact with a "regular" input like a mouse to do things that you're capable of doing on a touch screen interface. The example of zooming with pinch is one that existed with a mouse before multi-touch gestures even came out. From my experience as a software developer (again with no android experience) the API you use to detect events is extremely easy to use so attaching the mouse scroll event to the same method that zooms in for example is just a matter of defining a handler for the event then calling the exact same method you use already so it's possible app developers have already done this.

    2. Re:Wouldn't apps need to be modified for a mouse? by tepples · · Score: 1

      attaching the mouse scroll event to the same method that zooms in for example is just a matter of defining a handler for the event then calling the exact same method you use already

      Which would still require the app developer to be aware of the mouse use case. Developers who have stopped maintaining a given application, developers who don't own a device that supports an external mouse, and developers who make mouse support one of the value-adds in the more expensive PC version of an application might choose not to define such a handler.

    3. Re:Wouldn't apps need to be modified for a mouse? by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1
      That's a completely different argument to your original post of:

      Some applications make use of multitouch gestures, for which I see no general analog on a mouse. For example, how do I pinch to zoom with a mouse?

      I think you're missing the point, a touch screen is just a way of pointing and clicking and requires no extra work to support clicking on a screen with your finger or with a mouse, all of that is handled by the OS. The very few mutli-touch gestures I've seen are also easily supported with a keyboard and mouse. Any good developer writes their application to work with or without multi-touch, look at Google maps again, you want to zoom in but don't have a scroll wheel or a touch screen then use the zoom slider along the side.

      You're right of course with your last point, it's possible for a developer to not support certain input devices on purpose. In general they'd have to go out of their way to make an app that doesn't work with a mouse though since touching a spot on a touch screen is the exact same call as clicking a spot on the screen with your mouse. I do have a touch screen on my laptop and while I don't use it because I don't like smudging my screen I can use the screen or the mouse with many applications and those have never been designed specifically to work with a touch screen either. I won't argue the point that it's possible to develop an app that doesn't play well with classic input devices I've seen lots of horribly designed web pages and applications that don't consider usability at all.

  33. Applications would misinterpret events by tepples · · Score: 1

    I don't really see how different multi-touch is from CTRL-click.

    Applications that expect a multitouch movement event would misinterpret a Ctrl+tap event as a tap event.

    Or say I'm playing one of those games that puts a virtual gamepad on the bottom corners of the screen. It expects two touch points: one on the directional pad at the bottom left and one on one of the buttons at the bottom right. How would a keyboard and mouse automatically emulate that?

    1. Re:Applications would misinterpret events by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Or say I'm playing one of those games that puts a virtual gamepad on the bottom corners of the screen. It expects two touch points: one on the directional pad at the bottom left and one on one of the buttons at the bottom right. How would a keyboard and mouse automatically emulate that?

      A mouse and a keyboard with a touchpad. All the multi-touch you want, plus WASD keys for first person shooters.

      As long as we're using a clean sheet of paper, why not keyboards that accept multitouch? Think about this: When I want to press a key, I have to exert force enough to "click" the key. If I just let my fingers sit on top of the keys, without depressing any of them, it exerts enough contact and force that if the tops of the keys were like the surface of a tablet, it could control multi-touch on steroids. Ten fingers' contact, in fact. To switch from "touching" to typing, just press a little harder.

      Try it now. Just rest your fingers on top of the keys and move them around without depressing a key. That's the touch.

      Shit, I'm a regular friggin' Thomas Elvis Edison. Or Nikolai Touchla. I'll get my people right no patenting that, so don't try nothing funny you guys.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    2. Re:Applications would misinterpret events by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that's again easily handled with the directional input being handled by the mouse and the button being a button on your keyboard. So far I haven't seen any example that can't be handled with a keyboard and mouse. The OS of a touchscreen device does a very good job of making the input method transparent to the application in order to avoid these problems.

      In the end there's no good argument for not having the ability to dock a tablet, there's no problem that can't be solved and if you have a couple apps that don't work well with your external input devices you still have the option of using them with the original touch screen or adding on another input device that emulates the touch screen input like a track pad on a laptop, mine supports multi-touich and is exactly like putting your dirty fingers on the screen.

  34. Devices other than phones by tepples · · Score: 1

    Programmers are really dropping the ball on Android for some reason, choosing to support outdated versions despite some vast majority of the population running 2.2 or higher.

    It might have something to do with the fact that a lot of people buy cheaper Android-powered devices that lack a cellular radio because they're priced for up-front purchase rather than for being subsidized by a monthly wireless data bill. A lot of these manufacturers don't support their products with operating system upgrades as long as Apple does. Many of these "Wi-Fi only" devices can't officially be upgraded past 1.6, past 2.1, or past 2.2.

    1. Re:Devices other than phones by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Many of these "Wi-Fi only" devices can't officially be upgraded past 1.6, past 2.1, or past 2.2.

      You missed my point. Why if 1.6 and 1.5 only makes up less than 7% of the market should developers even bother maintaining compatibility, which is precisely the reason quoted by Halfbrick a while ago that Fruit Ninja doesn't support multitouch. I mean should I as a developer still write applications that support Windows 9x just because a pittance of the population use it?

      It's not the problem that users aren't or can't upgrade. Its that the developers aren't coming to the table taking advantage of the new features... even now old features.

  35. Re:A tablet could be a great portable gaming devic by index0 · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking they only failed because at the time they (tablets with windows) cost a lot (over $2000)

  36. Cam girls by dadioflex · · Score: 1

    Big reason to have an Android tablet - portable cam-girls. God bless'em.

  37. also let them have user maps and mods by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    also let them have user maps and mods

  38. No: by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    They failed because they were groaning slow, fragile, and cost over $2000. However, I feel it's going to take a few more years of development before tablets are fast enough to run Windows + security at acceptable speeds.

    --
    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
    1. Re:No: by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > They failed because they were groaning slow

      No. It's an ARM that is groaning slow. That's probably part of the whole "walled garden" thing. When you are able to compute freely, it is quite easy to exceed the limitations of the hardware.

      Also, it's easy to seem fast when you're the modern equivalent of a mid-80s Mac.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:No: by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because what really makes sense on a tablet is a power-hungry CPU architecture.

  39. Every other gesture differs by tepples · · Score: 1

    I think you're missing the point, a touch screen is just a way of pointing and clicking and requires no extra work to support clicking on a screen with your finger or with a mouse, all of that is handled by the OS.

    A left click corresponds to a single-fingertip tap. A left-drag corresponds to a single-fingertip slide. Every other gesture differs between mouse and touch, and an application that uses any other gesture will have to be coded specifically to work with both mouse and touch.

    they'd have to go out of their way to make an app that doesn't work with a mouse though since touching a spot on a touch screen is the exact same call as clicking a spot on the screen with your mouse.

    Which goes back to my earlier point: touching two spots is the exact same call as what? Imagine an app that requires the pinch-zoom gesture and doesn't bother to bind any other gesture to zoom. How are you going to use that without multitouch? You'd have to figure out how to use the application while never zooming.

    1. Re:Every other gesture differs by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      Well it sounds like the only multi-touch gesture you can come up with is zooming and I'm pretty sure that's already been answered by myself and a few other people.

      To take this back to the original point again, there's still no reason why you can't dock a touch screen device, in the end if you chose not to use the external inputs that's up to you and by allowing external inputs you can use a regular mouse and keyboard or maybe you want to get a big touchpad that supports multi-touch. I know personally I'd love the option of having a dock and being able to use external input devices with a tablet if I had one, it makes it more than just an e-reader which is the only thing I'd use a tablet for right now.

    2. Re:Every other gesture differs by amw · · Score: 1

      "Cut the Rope" on iOS uses multitouch within its gameplay. I have also seen applications that allow both zoom and rotation - a scroll button could emulate one or the other, but not both concurrently.

    3. Re:Every other gesture differs by tkdtaylor · · Score: 1

      Still not negating the point that adding the ability to dock the device expands on it's usability. There's always a way around a problem but some applications just wouldn't make sense to use in docked mode either. If I was reading on a tablet I'd probably be sitting somewhere comfortable with it, if I want to type a bunch of emails up I'd rather stick it in a dock and use a proper keyboard.

  40. "Pwufessuh HaiwyPheet's GREATEST HITS" (NOT!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line above, & these "prime examples" below via links to the originals of WHY hairyfeet shouldn't have gone to "ITT Tech", in his TECHNICAL BLUNDERS, & more (regarding HOSTS files):

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    Static vs. Dynamic Adbanner addressing (lol, "according to hairyfeet"):

    (Which even BestBuy Techs know!)

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35681060

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    DNS Client Cache turn off for HOSTS, a TECHNICAL Blunder by Hairyfeet:

    (Which even BestBuy Techs know also (just like the one above!))

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35686054

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    Hairyfeet's single solutions SECURITY FAILURES? See inside:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690260

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    Your sources on "security" vs. mine (actual security people) (AND myself, a source on it):

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690328

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    Lastly, as to your LIBEL of myself (w/ arstech):

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35668740

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    The defeat of hairyfeet by APK (video analogy - hilarious, BUT, apt):

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690536

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    They say it all, & usually vs. hairyfeet's own words quoted! I wouldn't pay him too much heed, especially after you read the above b.s., lies, changing figures, & even LIBEL of others that hairyfeet likes to do. After all - he's from "ITT Tech" (student)...

    Worst part of ALL, here?

    Hairyfeet just clearly doesn't even understand how HOSTS files benefit you for:

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    1.) ADDED Reliability (vs. DNS going down, or being 'poisoned', & even DNSBL (DNS Block Lists))

    2.) ADDED "layered" Security online (vs. known bad sites &/or servers (botnet C&C) + maliciously scripted adbannners by BLOCKING them out)

    3.) ADDED Speed (not loading adbanners, and hardcoding your fav. sites into it)

    4.) Even more ADDED 'anonymity' online (vs. DNS request logs)

    (Even server admins might NOT mind having the load on their DNS servers lightened up also, bonus!)

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    APK

    P.S.=> Personally though - because hairyfeet is only a "techie"? I suspect he doesn't want people to know about HOSTS files' added LAYERED SECURITY benefits to the end-user: Why?? Because if users stop getting so much "malware-in-general" which layered security (and HOSTS) give you added layered protection against, he's out money...apk

  41. Journalism vs. the completeness of 100% by theBully · · Score: 1

    According to the survey (PDF), 84% of tablet owners play games, ahead of even searching for information (78%), emailing (74%) and

    So, if I get this right, 236% of table owners play games, search and e-mail... Also 150% of my salary goes to charity. The portion above 100%. I think it's high time journalists understood that in a statistical distribution of this kind it's imperative to total 100% to make the story even remotely credible or realistic. No matter how I turn this it can't make sense.

    Having that said, if the article was trying to point out that tablets are primarily used to: play games, web search, e-mail and news, social networking, consume media and read, all I can say is: Yes, we knew that, those are the primarily intended uses of tablets. This is a perfect example of an "I ran out of news" article. Just state the obvious and trow some hokum statistical numbers over it. I tend to suspect this is coming from the new and flourishing field of bellyology (scientific argument originating in the belly) which can easily provide strong arguments in any field.

    In either case, I won't expect journalists to have an understanding that the 136% of the people counted in just the first three categories don't exist.

  42. Replacing a broken unit after laptops die by tepples · · Score: 1

    Are you worried that PCs (or notebooks or whatever) won't be available anymore, or are you worried that you will start being the weird one who still carries around a notebook after everyone else has moved on?

    I'm worried that I won't be able to replace the one I have once it wears out.

    I'm also worried that my skills will become irrelevant if none of my audience has a PC on which to use the PC software that I produce. As I understand it, developing for a video game console, iPad, or handheld device is noticeably more expensive than developing for a PC.

    Also, data plans are much less than $60/month.

    It must have come down fairly recently, and it's still $50 per month according to Verizon's page. Or did you mean a data plan designed for phones that allows no tethering and is bundled with a $40/mo voice plan that comes with far more minutes than I'll use in the foreseeable future? I pay $5/mo for voice on my current dumbphone.

    And if you can't afford it, you can always forego the data plan and use wifi.

    I could go with a tablet, an external keyboard, and Wi-Fi, but then I wouldn't be able to use remote desktop in order to work around the iPad's inability to run applications that Apple doesn't like.

    1. Re:Replacing a broken unit after laptops die by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Are you worried that PCs (or notebooks or whatever) won't be available anymore, or are you worried that you will start being the weird one who still carries around a notebook after everyone else has moved on?

      I'm worried that I won't be able to replace the one I have once it wears out.

      Then you are insane. You will *always* be able to buy a computer that you can toss Linux on. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS. The only way this will ever change is if technological civilization collapses.

      I'm also worried that my skills will become irrelevant if none of my audience has a PC on which to use the PC software that I produce. As I understand it, developing for a video game console, iPad, or handheld device is noticeably more expensive than developing for a PC.

      I bet horse buggy makers felt the same way 100 years ago. Automobiles required different skills and were more expensive to build and work on. BFD. Technology moves on. If you want to remain in the horse buggy era, no one will stop you. You can still buy horse buggies today. Just don't expect the rest of us to not buy a car simply because you don't know how to work on them or don't want to pay to use one yourself.

      Also, data plans are much less than $60/month.

      It must have come down fairly recently, and it's still $50 per month according to Verizon's page. Or did you mean a data plan designed for phones that allows no tethering and is bundled with a $40/mo voice plan that comes with far more minutes than I'll use in the foreseeable future? I pay $5/mo for voice on my current dumbphone.

      Yes, I was referring to non-third-world-poverty plans. If you can only afford $5/month, then I see a bright future in WiFi-only devices for you. WiFi works just fine. If you want connectivity on the go, you pay extra. Big deal.

      And if you can't afford it, you can always forego the data plan and use wifi.

      I could go with a tablet, an external keyboard, and Wi-Fi, but then I wouldn't be able to use remote desktop in order to work around the iPad's inability to run applications that Apple doesn't like.

      Nobody's telling you to buy a tablet. But a PC! Buy a Xoom! Buy a Nook and root the motherfucker. I don't care. But quit crying about being left behind. You will never, ever, be unable to buy a Linux-capable (with all the implied freedoms) computer. NEVER.

    2. Re:Replacing a broken unit after laptops die by tepples · · Score: 1

      You will never, ever, be unable to buy a Linux-capable (with all the implied freedoms) computer.

      I just hope in the name of the redeemer that you're right about this and that we're not about to fall into a world like that of "The Right to Read" by Richard Stallman.

    3. Re:Replacing a broken unit after laptops die by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I just hope in the name of the redeemer that you're right about this and that we're not about to fall into a world like that of "The Right to Read" by Richard Stallman.

      The only way that will become completely true is via legislation. Even if most consumer products go locked-down, there will always be nerds who want to tinker, and there will be computers for them. And even on locked-down devices, you'll be able to run Linux in emulation. This is even possible on iOS, although not currently reasonable. You can write a VM in javascript, and although it would be too slow today, just let Moore's Law do its thing.

      But you can even write a proper VM. You can pay $99/year, become friends with someone who has, or jailbreak. Even though the last option is unsanctioned, the first two are 100% legitimate and fully approved by Apple.

  43. When VMs are banned, only jailbreakers will... by tepples · · Score: 1

    you will still be able to fire up a VM in your contact lens computer and run Linux until your eyes dry up if you want.

    Not if the manufacturer of contact lens computers bans such a VM and enforces this ban with verification of digital signatures. It'd be like when Apple pulled a Commodore 64 game from the App Store solely because the emulator it ran in allowed the user to reset into BASIC (see previous Slashdot article).

    1. Re:When VMs are banned, only jailbreakers will... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      you will still be able to fire up a VM in your contact lens computer and run Linux until your eyes dry up if you want.

      Not if the manufacturer of contact lens computers bans such a VM and enforces this ban with verification of digital signatures. It'd be like when Apple pulled a Commodore 64 game from the App Store solely because the emulator it ran in allowed the user to reset into BASIC (see previous Slashdot article).

      Then just buy your contact lenses from a manufacturer that lets you. Why is this so difficult to comprehend? Non-locked down computers will be available forever.

    2. Re:When VMs are banned, only jailbreakers will... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Non-locked down computers will be available forever.

      But when almost nobody demands non-locked-down computers, non-locked-down computers might be cost-prohibitive to acquire for those that do demand them. Compare the price of video game consoles vs. PCs in the 1990s, for example. Besides, Richard Stallman back in 1997 imagined one scenario where only "officially licensed and bonded programmers" are eligible for non-locked-down computers. This has already come to pass.

    3. Re:When VMs are banned, only jailbreakers will... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      But when almost nobody demands non-locked-down computers, non-locked-down computers might be cost-prohibitive to acquire for those that do demand them. Compare the price of video game consoles vs. PCs in the 1990s, for example. Besides, Richard Stallman back in 1997 imagined one scenario where only "officially licensed and bonded programmers" are eligible for non-locked-down computers. This has already come to pass.

      This has not come to pass. Anyone anywhere can buy a PC and run Linux today. And I don't see how it will be possible, except via legislation (which would be insane, even by legislative standards), to prevent some entrepreneur from going to Taiwan and buying up some chips and boards and selling those for the vast array of tinkerers. I don't see how it's even possible to imagine that chips and boards that only cost $50 today will somehow become so difficult to make that they will be hundreds of dollars tomorrow.

      In the future, technology becomes cheaper, not more expensive. In ten years, your high-end, noisy, power-hungry i7 desktop becomes outclassed by a $200 battery powered iPod. Even if 99% of computers become iPads, you'll still have people who want a non-locked device. In 30 years, when iPads become $10, you might have to spend $50 for the parts to assemble your own Linux PC.

      Already, almost everything has a chip in it. Someone has to program them. In order to program them, in order to design them, in order to emulate them, there will have to be unlocked computers. Governments, NASA scientists, programmers, Boeing designers, hardware makers, FSF members, etc., etc., these people will all require unlocked computers. And some of those people are involved in actually making computers, so they'll be able to make the thing they want. There is no way whatsoever that general purpose computers will ever go away. Even worldwide dictatorship legislation can't ultimately do it.

    4. Re:When VMs are banned, only jailbreakers will... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Anyone anywhere can buy a PC and run Linux today. And I don't see how it will be possible, except via legislation (which would be insane, even by legislative standards)

      The Congress of the United States appears not to be afraid of causing collateral damage on U.S. industries. It outlawed pot to make life harder for Mexican immigrants, and it outlawed hemp (even the THC-free kind) ostensibly to make life harder for illicit pot growers. And compare the CBDTPA proposal, which would have all but outlawed hobbyist hardware with any useful amount of I/O.

  44. Once a device fills up by tepples · · Score: 1

    They don't want FTP, NAS, USB host devices, etc., etc. They just want to turn it on and use it.

    But once a tablet is turned on and they are using it, what do people expect to happen once they fill up the internal storage with contacts, e-mails, documents, photos, music, videos, etc.? Or if they lose or break it, how do they expect to get their contacts, e-mails, documents, photos, music, videos, etc. back? Then they'll start to want FTP, NAS, USB host devices, etc., etc. Or what am I still missing?

    For those in the minority, like you, there will always be options with more flexible capabilities.

    Affordable for individuals, or cost prohibitive?

    Those that do need to can buy a car with manual transmission.

    Until a stick becomes far more expensive than an automatic.

    1. Re:Once a device fills up by node+3 · · Score: 1

      They don't want FTP, NAS, USB host devices, etc., etc. They just want to turn it on and use it.

      But once a tablet is turned on and they are using it, what do people expect to happen once they fill up the internal storage with contacts, e-mails, documents, photos, music, videos, etc.? Or if they lose or break it, how do they expect to get their contacts, e-mails, documents, photos, music, videos, etc. back? Then they'll start to want FTP, NAS, USB host devices, etc., etc. Or what am I still missing?

      The cloud. What you're missing is that people don't want the TLA, they want the space. They don't want something they have to manage (NAS), they don't want some kludgey attachment (USB) they don't want something they have to browse like a PC filesystem (FTP). They just want their shit available whenever they want.

      Also, storage will outpace most people's needs. Already notebooks come with more space than most people could even imagine filling up. 64GB + cloud will cover 99% of the people out there.

      For those in the minority, like you, there will always be options with more flexible capabilities.

      Affordable for individuals, or cost prohibitive?

      Not my problem. But computers are going to be disposable soon. A computer will cost a nickel. Maybe an unlocked one will cost a dime, who cares? Digital greeting cards have more power than a million dollar computer from the sixties, and you throw it away when you're done.

      Those that do need to can buy a car with manual transmission.

      Until a stick becomes far more expensive than an automatic.

      Which is never going to happen.

  45. Actually it has always been the user. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It's not the device or the OS, it's the user.

    If they can't fend for themselves with WinDOS or Linux or MacOS, giving them the magical tablet isn't going to help.

    That is totally false.

    Even OS X is much harder to really fully grasp that iOS for day to day use, because files generally stay with an app and you never have to worry about all of the small technical glitches and hangups and configurations that are all key in the systems you listed but no present in an iOS device.

    I've always said the only computer I'd give my mother is a Mac, because I value my time and hers.

    Well now I'm saying the only computer I'd give my grandmother is an iPad, because I know someone that advanced in age could make great use of one (and we have already seen a wave of videos showing this to be true).

    In the end it has always been the "user", the very fact the industry calls them this degrading term is all the evidence you need as to the level of respect they have enjoyed from the traditional computing industry.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  46. That is the most important part by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Wait, what are my choices here? Hack ObjectiveC or write whole applications from scratch. I think you might be leaving one or two other choices out.

    Am I? Please list them.

    The reason I left that in is because for Slashdot readers it's actually the single most pertinent point to be made. Lots of people don't mind doing some research and making small tweaks to existing systems, who would never consider writing something from scratch.

    With Objective-C I can get a class and method dump of any app and add my own custom code into the middle of things, a really clean system-supported technique of code injection.

    Well how would you do that in other systems? With Java or plain C the results are far, far more hacky, they can be done but with a far greater degree of difficulty.

    The truth is there is nothing in the Android space (that I have found) aimed at adding custom code and features to existing Android apps the way you get with a number of Cydia extensions, the other system that's even as close to amenable thanks to Java.

    There's no way to legitimately spin the 'advantages' of having to circumvent the design of a device.

    Just to present it as possible is inherently more positive a message than one that pretends the ability does not exists. I am also not "spinning" things so much as I am simply trying to explain to REAL GEEKS (who still I think read Slashdot) what some unstated benefits are of using an Apple ecosystem that others have proclaimed as closed and un-useful for hacking when the exact opposite is true. People like that deserve the full extent of information possible, not the general disinformation campaign that has been so prevalent on Slashdot as of late.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  47. PCs for students by tepples · · Score: 1

    what's wrong with waiting for WiFi spots to do the heavy lifting?

    One of the things that I most commonly do with my netbook is something that Apple expressly prohibits in the iPhone and iPad developer agreement: write and test code. In order to use an iPad for such things, one must use a remote desktop tool. Those don't work while traveling to a Wi-Fi spot.

    Given the number of people who have Mac mini systems and various other Linux systems attached to TV'

    What kind of number is that? I can cite comments from other Slashdot users (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7) stating that only a negligible number of people want to connect a PC to a TV. I'd appreciate any more reliable sources showing otherwise.

    The high end systems will remain about the same price, it's the cheap crappy systems that would decline.

    Once entry-level PCs disappear from store shelves, what systems are high school and college students supposed to use to perform tasks that require a PC? Currently they use "the cheap crappy systems" that they can afford, often initially settling for a used PC. For example, "introduction to programming" is one common course for high school seniors and college freshmen whose required software will never run on an iPad, unless your professor is a Dijkstra-type who opposes testing homework exercises on computers at all.

  48. Moore's law has hit a wall by tepples · · Score: 1

    The only way that will become completely true is via legislation.

    The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (and other countries' copyright legislation implementing the WIPO Copyright Treaty of 1996) was the start of that legislation.

    You can write a VM in javascript, and although it would be too slow today, just let Moore's Law do its thing.

    Moore's law relates to transistor density, not necessarily to speed. Speed increases used to go hand in hand with process shrinks until CPU frequencies topped out at roughly 3 GHz. Nowadays, process shrinks only add more cores so that more threads can run at once and more cache so that the threads don't block on accessing main memory. But adding thread capacity fails on tasks that can't easily be parallelized. In addition, each layer of emulation involves roughly a factor of ten speed hit: the CPU when emulating JavaScript, and the JavaScript when emulating the other CPU. You say JIT? I say OS limitations against JIT compilation of offline apps.

    But you can even write a proper VM. You can pay $99/year

    Even if I were to pay $99 per year and write a proper VM, each user would also have to pay $99 per year. Or what am I missing?

    or jailbreak.

    As I understand it, jailbreaks come from buffer overflows and other violations of type safety. So as iOS matures, watch this become less and less possible. By the time we have invented "contact lens computers", we're also likely to have invented stronger ways to prove a program's type safety. For example, look at Google Native Client, which uses plug-ins that have been compiled to a verifiably safe subset of x86 instructions, ARM instructions, or soon LLVM bitcode.

  49. Licensed and bonded programmers by tepples · · Score: 1

    In order to program them, in order to design them, in order to emulate them, there will have to be unlocked computers.

    In order to make new games for video game consoles, there have to be unlocked consoles. But only licensed and bonded video game development companies legitimately have unlocked consoles.

  50. They must not be talking about android tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not many good games on android.

  51. Interesting... by twebb72 · · Score: 1

    I would have put my money on pr0n being the number one use. I guess that remains a title only a desktop can hold.

  52. yeah sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you call Angry Birds "gaming"