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FBI Releases Document Confirming Roswell UFO
schwit1 writes "An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as circular in shape with raised centers approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape, but only 3 feet tall dressed in metallic clothing of very fine texture."
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This raises more questions than answers. For a start, this really is on vault.fbi.gov servers, so either it's real or a VERY risky hoax.
However, assuming it's real for now, WHY HAS THIS NOT LEAD TO A FLURRY OF OTHER EVIDENCE FROM ELSEWHERE?
Clearly the mask is off now? The government know about saucers, otherwise there wouldn't be such a casual write-off at the end of the doc.
So were they short Russians? Germans who found it in a barn after WWII and got it working? COME ON FBI, do your jobs and give us a proper INVESTIGATION!
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The document almost makes it sound like hearsay. It says an investigator stated that, but then goes on to say that it was provided by an informant. Doesn't sound terribly sound, and it says that no further investigation was done, which probably means that the FBI had a good laugh about it and then filed it away.
The document is a report outlining another individual's report. It's neither admission nor documentation of the incident by the FBI, just a record that someone has made a statement about the incident. It's worthless.
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does the document detail whether the base did, after all, belong to them?
Read the article carefully - it neither denies nor confirms anything. This is a report documenting what an informant said, and does not suggest any first hand knowledge about anything...
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Is just how did Obama manage this from Kenya BEFORE hes was born, I bet Glen knows...
According to Mr. _______ informant
They debriefed their informant and recorded down what he said. It doesn't necessarily mean FBI actually believe the information provided. Under the FOIA you can't just destroy the document because the source wore a tin-foil hat.
We have confirmation the FBI is not a serious organization...
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Just like how in most movies a 5.56x45mm round drops the alien invaders dead despite the fact they managed to survive a crash landing to Earth.
The document says "so-called flying saucers" with 3 foot tall human shaped bodies wearing test pilot guard, No where does it say "aliens" in the document. They were obviously dwarf test pilots.
(speaking purely hypothetically) If radar is dead technology to them, they could have. I'm pretty sure catapulting a boulder into the shuttle or setting an F-16 on fire would do some damage. I would imagine that any sort of miraculous hover technology is dependent on manipulating magnetic fields. So I'd imagine that it caused some kind of interference that made the craft difficult to fly and eventually brought it down (as opposed to just dropping out of the sky). (I am not a physicist or engineer)
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The problem with the Roswell folklore has always been that the story completely went away until the point in time when, coincidentally, the actual witnesses had died of old age.
Area 51 is chock full of advanced but terrestrial technology. The government leaks this stuff seemingly confirming UFO's or half-assed and inadequate cover stories just to stir up conspiracy nuts. You tell someone you saw strange things in the sky over Groom Lake, people will smile and twirl their fingers in circles beside their heads.
I think the odds of alien life in this universe are very good; I think the odds for intelligent life are also good. But unless there's some lovely scifi physics waiting out there for us, space travel seems like it'll be awfully damned expensive and complicated. And little green men in flying saucers seems a little too -- how should I put it --- mundane? Too mundane for an interstellar alien intelligence.
When you consider that in light of the cheesy denials, it seems like it's not just paranoids getting worked up over nothing, it looks like the government is egging them on. Therefore my theory of using aliens to cover for the real secrets.
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As an avid follower of the x-files (at least until that awful final movie), i believe i have some expertise that can clarify this further. The alien craft do indeed manipulate the magnetic fields. However naturally magnetic materials can make this technology malfunction. The reason they crashed into the roswell desert is due to the high concentration of magnetite in the area that caused their guidance systems to go haywire. This magnetite concentration is also the reason ancient civilizations such as the Anasazi built villages among the hills in these parts, and why the illuminati have started creating modern villages in these parts to live when the new world order arrives. This magnetite rich environment protects any inhabitants from the powers an alien civilization uses to control humans, and is the only hope for human civilization to survive. The hybrid alien/human species will take over every other area of the planet, but those who live in the desert with the magnetite will survive and be able to repopulate the planet.
What the document says is "there is this guy who says he saw flying saucers" - that doesn't really prove anything.
Hell there are constantly people who say they've seen flying saucers.
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All right now, aliens in Roswell is one thing, but you actually expect me to believe a government agency has a sense of humor?
> Where are the bodies?
They vanished mysteriously from a locked and guarded room along with all the other evidence. That proves that aliens were involved.
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I'm not buying into the idea that some super-advanced alien race would defeat the speed of light somehow and then immediately use that technology to travel millions of light years just to give some pink barely-evolved half-monkeys anal probes. Every report can be explained away as hoax, government experimental test aircraft or some guy in a trailer park not wanting to admit that his anal probe came from his neighbor, not some alien species.
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I thought this was a reference to early sightings of over the horizon nuclear tests that needed to be suppressed, during the time of Oppenheimer.
I had been assuming the stories were a "second cover".
This is a psychological ploy allegedly used by security agencies to hide things that are really important and worth the effort. They set up two cover stories: The first cover story is public and something plausible. The second cover story is nutty and withheld, but evidence for it is planted. When somebody realizes that the first cover is a lie and digs deeper they encounter the planted evidence for the mind-numbingly wild second cover. Then they are placed in the position of either looking like a fruitcake or giving up. (After all, anything they dig up on the REAL story could also be another lie.)
If it is a second cover, the existence of such a memo in the archives could just be a leftover piece of the planted evidence.
As for what's behind the hypothetical second cover, an explanation released a few years back seems plausible: Balloon-lofted high-altitude drop tests of a predecessor to the mercury capsule reentry heat shield - which looked a lot like the contemporary depictions of flying saucers.
The Cold War was raging at the time and the early space program was military and extremely secret. So tests on the first cut at retrieving people and devices from orbit would logically be performed at a remote, highly-classified, military aircraft test site, with the agencies going to extreme lengths to cover the work from spies, just as they did with the Manhattan Project.
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Do you ever, you know, come back a couple of days later and actually read the things you've said? Just asking.
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"The War Of The Worlds", simple as that. My grandfather brought me one of his flight books to show "military logic" and it said "THERE ARE NO UFOS...but if you see one don't fire unless fired upon". Him and his buddies used to LMAO about that one. How do you "not fire unless fired upon" something that doesn't exist?
Sadly MiB summed up the military view of the population perfectly "A Person is smart, people are dumb dangerous panicky animals and you KNOW it". Frankly if a saucer landed on the White House lawn to do repairs the MSM would be handed a bulletin telling them to talk about "the new alien movie being filmed today in Washington" and that would be it.
Do they have alien tech? Don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. The US military has been to just about every single place on the planet, if anything crashes I have no doubt they would snatch it. will they EVER tell the American people? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
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Percentages don't indicate actual truth. A survey of U.S. four year olds might indicate that similar numbers believe in Santa Claus. A lot of adults believe in a god. Long ago most believed the earth was flat. I guess if you believe in the wisdom of a herd mentality then you can go to China or India and enjoy the wisdom of the masses, but as you apparently haven't, then maybe you don't really believe that either. But maybe you can't even see the hyproacy of saying that 100% of rational people must believe exactly as you do on this subject, implying that anyone who has any other information isn't rational and should be ignored. Which helps further make my point, the crackpot disbelievers will dismiss anything. Before Curso came forward, the common argument was "If all this were true then it couldn't be kept secret, someone would leak it". When someone did no only leak it but put his good name behind it, I didn't see the crackpot disbelievers say "Oh, maybe I should re-evaluate things based on new information", I just saw more "If this is true why don't we ...." type of denying, which apparently can be applied to anything and any amount of information, recursively.
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Roswell explained:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2334857802602777622&ei=DoRESannBJLAqAL5p7z4DA&q=physics
It will take an hour but it explains the Roswell UFO stuff and why it was classified.
More fascinating IMO than aliens....
No, "it has to be" because the story is patently absurd.
Let's just start with: If the best way to build a craft that can travel through both outer space and all layers of a planetary atmosphere is to make it in the shape of a big disc, why have none of Earth's aerospace engineers ever built a craft using that shape? I guess it must have taken the Roswell incident to convince them it was a bad idea.
How about: How did aliens travel across countless light years of space to reach our planet in a craft that was just 50' in diameter? Presumably a couple generations of the crew would have grown old and died on the voyage. That's a pretty small space to raise a family in.
And how did these aliens plan to get back? Or if they weren't planning to get back, and they were just living on our planet in secret, wouldn't it be a lot easier to preserve the secret of their existence if they just drove cars, like regular people? If they look weird they could always have hired a guy to drive them around in the back of a delivery truck.
All kinds of things happen and the government covers up all kinds of things. But if you honestly think anybody should read into this story more than that some crackpot spread misinformation to someone else, who documented it and promptly stuck it in a file cabinet with all the other crackpot garbage -- then you're a credulous moron.
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Check the memo on the FBI site.
Mr. [redacted] informant was an investigator for the USAF. Not just some random civilian, or someone who thought they knew something.
There would have been no further investigation necessary, as the USAF was already investigating, and any further investigation would be done by them, and any information necessary would be reported back to the FBI.
Pretty much, another agency had control and jurisdiction on the case, and possession of all materials relating to the case. There was nothing for the FBI to do. What were their options? Demand access to now (as of the minute the military touched it) classified materials? Good luck there. I'm surprised the FBI was provided with as much detail as they were given.
If that were to happen today, it may be something more like "We found something, and are investigating." Or as was provided to the public "Nothing to see here. Just a weather balloon. Move on." Use tthe official USAF aircraft identification chart for identifying unknown flying objects.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
I don't actually believe there are aliens visiting us and so on, but I leave room for doubt. Your logic is based on our technology and our current knowledge (in fact logic can only be based on current knowledge).
All your questions could have some answer that we don't know yet. Traveling countless light years for example could not be necessary with some other kind of technology. Or why our engineers didn't come up with that shape, because there is some other kind of science behind it.
Any encounter with actual beings from another planet will 99% of the time, not turn out well
Because it already happened 100 times and only 1 of them turned out to be good right?
The sheer difference in technological development would be the equivalent difference between us, and a common fruit fly.
You make common assumptions that COULD be wrong.
its an official fbi document, on official fbi site, stating that an official usaf investigator has had told an official fbi agent that 3 saucers were recovered in roswell.
Actually I read it as an official FBI document, on official FBI site, stating that an informant, one "Mr. [redacted]", stated that an official USAF investigator said that 3 saucers were recovered in Roswell. I doubt very much that some guy saying that the USAF knows stuff is strong evidence for much of anything.
You're (deliberately, obviously) completely mischaracterizing what it's a report about. Your local police department is full of "official government reports" filed by police officers who have to write down what completely insane people tell them.
The "report" doesn't admit anything, other than admitting that some guy told somebody something, made up from whole cloth, with nothing backing it up, and no evidence to support it ever presented by anybody. An FBI agent essentially writes down the fact that somebody BSing about something that didn't happen did, none the less, BS about it. And so it's now a document, because he wrote down the fact that he had that conversation. Are you actually understanding the fact that the document in question doesn't establish anything with regard to UFOs, in any way? Sure you are, and you're just pretending you don't. Because you can't possibly be that foolish, otherwise.
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You fail reading comprehension.
The document is produced by Guy Hottel and addressed to the director of the FBI.
In the document, Hottel writes that the information referred to in the document was provided to a special agent whose name is redacted. So we've already got a chain of four links here: the FBI Director, Guy Hottel at Strategic Air Command, the unnamed Special Agent, and the SA's source, whose name is also redacted after the preposition "by" in the first sentence.
Inside that, we have the contents of the report, which is that an Air Force investigator, also unnamed, stated that three bodies and three objects were recovered. The SA's source may have been the investigator, or an intermediary, the document isn't entirely clear on that. However, the long redacted portion of the first sentence after the word "by" would seem to indicate information beyond a mere name; perhaps a title, organization, or other contextual information. Such such information was redacted in the first paragraph, but the title "investigator" and the organization name "Air Force(s)" would seem to indicate that these two individuals are distinct. So that would give us five individuals: FBI Director, Guy Hottel, the Special Agent, his informant, and the Air Force investigator.
Everything in the document is essentially preceded by: The FBI acknowledges that SAC reports that a Special Agent says that an informant told him that an Air Force investigator stated... and it's all three years after the alleged events in New Mexico.
There's a word for this. It's "hearsay". In this case, it's four times removed from the only person who is actually named in the document: Guy Hottel at SAC. Putting hearsay in a document doesn't make the contents official; it's just acknowledgement on the part of FBI that people made statements-- in this case, some people made statements about what other people told them that other people told them that other people told them, with three of the individuals involved unnamed.
The important part of the document is the last paragraph-- what the Special Agent did as a result of the informant's statement: "no further investigation was attempted". In other words, it wasn't credible enough to even bother looking into.
The only question here is why Slashdot's editors, more than sixty years later, aren't as astute as that Special Agent.
are you a moron, or do you have problems with reading comprehension ? here :
report says that AN INVESTIGATOR FOR AIR FORCE STATED THAT three flying saucers and bodies HAD BEEN RECOVERED.
the investigator for air force, STATES that three flying saucers were recovered at roswell.
the 'informant' part, is the last part in the last paragraph about the REASON for the saucers being found in roswell, and relevance of radar to the incident.
the 'informant' of the usaf investigator takes part in that explanation. NOT about recovery of saucers, in roswell. it says ACCORDING TO MR XXX'S INFORMANT, THE SAUCERS WERE FOUND IN NEW MEXICO DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS A VERY HIGH POWERED RADAR there, and it interferes with saucers' control mechanisms.
what the informant of the usaf investigator says, the REASON for the saucers being found in new mexico is government's radar.
really. wordage like 'nothing to see here' and all that, trying SO hard to reject, its being ridiculously pathetic and sad.
its a fucking fbi document using clear words like STATED and whatnot.
why the fuck are you trying SO hard to still reject and ignore ?
never mind - i dont give a fuck. i have no time to lose with an idiot who is so doggedly conditioned to ignore reality even it slaps him in the face as an official government document. have a nice day.
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I read it as the part that says "An investigator from the Air Force stated" having been part of what the "informant" said, assuming the redacted "By:" at the beginning was the name and address of the informant. Thus, we only have the informant's word that the person they are talking about was an official "investigator", and IIRC as the Roswell "incident" predates the final combining of the two services, shouldn't it have been the AAF (Army Air Force), not the Air Force who were investigating, as it happened almost on top of one of their bases?