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XXX Goes Live In the Root Servers
An anonymous reader writes that yesterday "IANA added the .XXX Top Level Domain to the root nameservers. While the registry operator Afilias is still in their setup process for ICM registry, the zone is currently propagating. While a number of registrars have already been taking pre-registrations, the actual timeline for the launch has not yet been published."
Yeah, I'm going to pay for a domain that will be blocked in 90% of the world...
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
I want to register re.xxx and put cool REstructured eXtended eXecutor scripts there
The owner of sex.xxx is going to make a fortune
The only good thing about .xxx domain finally being implemented is that we no longer have to read stories and endure the arguments of those who want to create the domain. I kind of think IANA finally allowed it to be created so they would no longer have to put up with requests. I remember reading stories about it (and why it was a bad idea) as far back as 1997.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
to try to force the porn peddlers into using an .xxx domain name. Yes, they'll get blocked by a huge percentage of the web. But that's for the most part in places they're already not supposed to be like business and school networks. So while they may lose 90% of their coverage area, it won't disconnect them from more than 2% of their customers, the majority of which are hunkered down on their computers at home.
Normally I'm not a "think of the children!" type, but in this particular case, I see it as a net-positive thing. Maybe my opinion would be different if I were in the porn business. But if things come around this way, it will make a LOT of network admins jobs a little bit easier, and will give the people paying the internet bills the service change they want. The vast majority of the public will be either indifferent or will benefit from it, the only losers will be the porn industry, and they actually won't lose that much. The only market they're going to lose is the market that they weren't supposed to be in, that they weren't making very much on anyway. If you want to talk about "market" you have to compare the seller and the buyer, (the porn site and the school for example) and can't be considering the actual audience. (the kids at school, or the worker on lunch break) They're not the customer, they're not the market. This step will help stop the porn industry from making a small amount of additional money off a market that doesn't want to be their customer.
So I don't see this as a bad thing at all.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Do you think the creators of this film ever considered how bad a choice of name they did? A film for teens whose name itself causes it to be blocked by almost all net filters...
The whole TLD domain thing is seriously wrong and outdated, I think. I mean take the country codes... they have in many cases nothing to do with the actual country in which the servers are located. For example, "yousend.it" is an italian website?
TLD's are just a form of artificial scarcity. And this is a bad thing.
Why not let us just choose the names we want to choose.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
Has Commander Taco registered goatse.xxx yet?
What country does .xxx stand for?
And how can I get there?
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
Let's say for a second you can force everyone with adult content into the .xxx domain. Now, who defines what is adult content? The line becomes quite blurry very quickly.
The porn industry could give a shit. Seven people own nearly half of .com names and a bunch of wanna ba .com kings have hands full of .com names. Enough of these guys felt threatened that they paid some no-account porn people to protest. They even paid a homeless guy in San Fransisco to protest. http://rs79.vrx.net/works/photoessays/2011/dot-xxx/
There's no real opposition in pornland. They don't give a shit. It's the guys with ".com portfolios" that were doing this to try to keep .com names valuable.
The whole point of tld expansion was to create new resources and to prevent regulation of extant resources; that is, life doesn't end at .com. Opposition with vested interests not withstanding.
Need Mercedes parts ?
Have gnu, will travel.
I'm afraid I have some old documentation I need to update to prevent people from going places they shouldn't be going..
'For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7
The usenet hierarchy is a content classification system, TLDs are not!
Given the questionable legitimacy of typical .info and .biz domains, .xxx is going to be widely blocked regardless of pornographic content.
My guess is that in 10 years .xxx will be overrun with useful, non-pornographic content from people wishing to make the "not a content classification system" point to would-be censors and other such imberceils! Perhaps that was the profit step all along?
I'm wondering if this will be one of the things that some ISP's will start to filter. Maybe in the near future we will be having to pay an added fee to access the .XXX domain similar to how cable subscribers have to subscribe to porn channels.
It's less than $10 a year to keep up the registration on a .com domain.
No one is going to abandon them.
They will just add on a link "click here to go to our .xxx site".
Porn is that whichever is clearly obscene. What is obscene has always been hard to get established in an American court. That is why porn often can't be blocked in public places.
BUT now there is a porn domain. Use it and you just labelled yourself as obsene. Making you very easy to block.
Already US senators have discussed, LONG before .xxx was created, laws to force sites to use it AND then laws to enforce blocks. Blocks on everything publicly accesible. Possible because the obscenity would be proven.
There is a reason there are articles in Playboy, Penthouse AND even Hustler. Articles that are often of significantly higher journalistic standards then found in other non-adult magazines. It gave them the defence they were not just porn mags and could therefor not be blocked from distribution.
Most of the people in the know are extremely wary about this. Hopefully it will fizzle out like .mobi and all the other domains but this time, there are puritans in the wings waiting to launch yet another attack on freedom of speech.
Because if you think those that want to censor the web are going to stop at nude people, you are very much mistaken.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
After all, the hosts file guy (APK - Alexander Peter Kowalski) will be able to push his "My hosts file keeps you safe - I only get one or two viruses a month now" junk to a whole new market.
For those who aren't logged in ....
BTW - if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously - not only does it drive him nuts, but he'll think it's me, and waste his time stalking me instead of you.
there should be a term for it, because i see this fallacy a lot. "reducto ad grey area"?
anyway, the point is simple: because a grey area exists does not mean we can't define black and white. people are always saying "ooh! ooh! look! a grey area! therefore there is no black and white, good and evil, right and wrong" etc. this is some lame loser teenager bullshit in your thinking
a site that instructs women how to inspect their breasts in the shower for lumps/ breast cancer is NOT pornography
a site that shows a woman being penetrated by two guys and giving a blowjob to a horse IS pornography
and in between exists a grey area, yes. so what?
the existence of that grey area does not nullify or change the fact that black and white are real, nor does it argue anyone should try to stop classifying pornography as pornography. pornography is real, pornography can be defined. the existence of grey areas doesn't change that. got it?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
As an industry insider I can tell you that this new domain is NOT going over terribly well. The only ones in favour are ICM (the ones taking the money for the new domains) and advertising agencies. The adult industry? Not so much.
At it most basic, it is seen as a money grab. This is clear from how they are going to handle trademark disputes. For a fee, you can remove your trademark from EVER being registered as a .xxx domain. So Disney need not be worried about disney.xxx. As long they pay the fee. How much? They ain't saying (really, I asked at a live forum and the guys in charge refused to answer). But Disney will pay it because it won't be a lot of money (to them) and there are plenty of others who will also pay the fee to keep their name blacklisted (forever for now but of course it is only going to be a matter of time before that comes a yearly fee). That means ICM coffers will get a HUGE boost straight from the start AND they will want to keep that money flowing because money is a drug. The more you get, the more you need.
But there are other issues at work:
As a .xxx domain owner you agree to have your site monitored... for what? Well, child porn is trotted out predictably BUT you have to remember that this is ICM policing the site owners, NOT the police as on ALL other domains. But HOW are they going to monitor?
http://domainincite.com/icm-faces-porn-anger-over-xxx/
I attended this myself and the following is true:
At one point, Liley flatly denied that ICM plans to “spider” .xxx domains to enforce compliance with IFFOR policies, such as the prohibition on meta tags that suggest the presence of child pornography.
Minutes later, a .xxx opponent read aloud from the IFFOR policy (pdf) that says all registrants must consent to “automated monitoring”.
Vaughn refused to answer many questions and weasled his way around others. The porn industry is CLEARLY not in favor of this.
One thing unanswered is how they are going to monitor CLOSED sites. Remember, most porn sites are membership sites and there content is NOT meant to be available to just anyone out there. Is every .xxx site owner going to have to provide ICM with a username and password that allows full access to the site? Who is going to be responsible for breaches where these accounts are lost? Does any other site have to give full access to a private company by default to be allowed on the net?
But should I care
A lot of people, even on slashdot don't like porn and want it to be hidden. Fair enough? No. Not really. If you like freedom of speech and believe me, many do not, then the .XXX domain is the registration of jews.
Godwin? Maybe but its parallels must be found in method rather then is shock effect. How did the nazi's know where to find Jews? Contrary to nazi propoganda they ain't all that easy to spot. It is not like they had it as easy as the US and its prosecuted minorities like blacks and asians. You can just tell a black person just by looking at him/her. Jew? Not so much, unless you believe nazi propoganda.
What allowed the mass murder to happen is the "harmless" registration of religion done long before the true horror of the nazi's became clear.
Yeah yeah, you know. So how does it apply to porn?
Obscenity
What is obscene? The US courts can't tell you AND this has been VERY important in ensuring free speech survives DESPITE being against the law. As long as the courts can't agree on what is obscene, the law cannot be used to ban your material. This is what allowed the porn mags such as Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler to survive countless court battles. Is obscenity forbidden? Yes. Are the mags obscene? Not proven, case dismissed. Why do you think these mags have higher grade journalism then many rags that can be bought from any store? Because it stopped them from being simply labelled as obsene AND banned.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
> the zone is currently propagating
Domain name zones do not propagate, and there is no "delay" in "publishing" zone information.
Domain name information is provided by domain name servers. As soon as the server can provide the data it is considered "published". When people talk about propagation they are mistakenly referring to cached false-positives or false-negatives.
A cached false-positive is when a previous lookup has returned a result that is no longer accurate, but the cache persists in providing that result. Instead of doing a new lookup and finding the --now changed-- data, the old stale data is returned. This is an indication of failure on the part of the domain administrator to reduce the cache time-to-live (TTL) field on the record or the entire Start of Authority for the zone.
A cached false-negative --typically on Microsoft operating systems-- is when a previous lookup has failed to return a response, the system caches that "there is no response." A subsequent query by an application OUGHT to do a DNS query and resolve properly, but the cache instead returns the --now stale-- "there is no response." This is an indication of failure of the operating system authors to have read the relevant RFCs on DNS (or ICMP or ...) and indicates lack of knowledge, a poorly designed product, and years of asshattery.
As soon as the ".XXX" TLD was available on the gTLD servers, it ***was*** live. Here's what affilias has: ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
xxx. 300 IN SOA a0.xxx.afilias-nst.info. noc.afilias-nst.info. 70 7200 3600 3600000 300
You'll note that the TTL is 300, the minimum allowable value (300sec=5min). That means they have PROPERLY set a value so that results are refreshed by those who cache them.
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"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
I saw that in your post history and verified it tomhudson. It seems you stalk and troll that person by using ac posts to harass him. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I am posting ac myself because I don't want you stalking, libeling, and trolling me the way you have for months now.
Your reaction shows us that you're guilty of what has been asked of you, and that you're telling us to stalk and harass a fellow forums member now as you have been for about 1 year now here? Tom, you're losing it. Take your meds. No way Tom. Grow up, or take your meds, or whatever it is that is making you a psychotic freak stalking and trolling others on slashdot.
While it's true that the records aren't technically propagated, they are uploaded to the 13 dns clusters, and I normal dns servers don't check immediately, because they cache the records, afaik.
I'm jealous, you used to be all about me :(
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1892470&cid=34419130 where you admitted to trolling and stalking the same person also, and, that you don't do it by ac replies, but rather by multiple registered user accounts you admitted to having on this forums, here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793 ? You said those things and admitted to trolling the same person tomhudson does and that you have multiple registered accounts on slashdot to do so. Is tomhudson one of your alternate registered account sock-puppets too?
Maybe. Is there some way I can tell?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35841996 and your own words are there admitting you trolled the same person tomhudson is for over a year now by harassing them as ac posts. You're a bit different though. You at least admitted to having multiple registered accounts to harass others here with (not that that's any better). I read that and just realize that you're another nutcase that can't even remember he admitted to trolling that person, and that you do so by using multiple registered accounts sock puppets to do so here at slashdot.
what if i admitted that i lied about doing that? would that make me a better person, or worse?
One must not forget that in Victorian times, "porn" would have been considered anything above or including the vulgar display of a person's knees! [Maybe even ankles]
i said gray areas don't argue against the stark black and white
stop pointing at gray areas and thinking they mean the blatantly obvious isn't blatantly obvious
you define pornography, and you are going to hit some gray areas. so fucking what?
welcome to reality. because you can't get an exact fit doesn't meant the definition is without value, meaning, or usefulness
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I just came in after reading all of this and I would like to make a statement. It's people like you that have no integrity and are ruining forums.
Even Mark Zuckerberg feels that way about you multiple account using trolls that keep many accounts as you yourself admit doing online to troll others with. See this quote from him âoehaving two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity.â that was from http://gigaom.com/2011/04/11/online-identity-isnt-a-transaction-its-a-feeling/ .
You exemplify just the kind of trash he's speaking of there TheEndOfDays, since you literally admitted to having multiple registered account sock puppets here on slashdot.
No matter what you say at this point, TheEndOfDays, I'd say either way it makes you a troll or a liar (or both actually).
Earlier, I posted in this article on slashdot today using my normal registered account but I am afraid to keep using it seeing how you 2 nutjobs operate in tomhudson and yourself. I don't dare put either of you in your place here or you may start stalking me and trolling me with your either your alternate sock puppet accounts here or by anonymous cowards trolling posts as tomhudson admits doing.
This place is being over run by trash like yourselves I am sad to say.
It occurred to me recently that porn seems safer on the web then it used to be. Years ago every click was meant with fear of unstoppable pop-ups and viruses. Now, not so much. Sure a few website links may reroute you to a new page, but nothing has gotten out of hand in awhile. Maybe I'm more mainstream these days, or maybe European pornographers are more legit (nobody speaks English in porn I've noticed, only in GGW), or maybe using FF and Chrome over IE saves the day. I'm hoping this reinforces the trend of safe sex websurfing. As a father of 2 soon to be teens I'ld rather not spend a large part of my adult life removing viruses and pop-ups from the household PCs. As for pedophelia censorship, I'm as for censorship of that as I am for porn prevalence. "Get there before the hair" isn't as funny as a dad as it was as a teen.
Hahahahahahahha it's being overrun by tomhudson? One of the oldest accounts here....
Sorry to post... Y'know, actual technical stuff on a "news for nerds" site, but...
xxx nameserver = a2.xxx.afilias-nst.info.
xxx nameserver = b0.xxx.afilias-nst.org.
xxx nameserver = a0.xxx.afilias-nst.info.
xxx nameserver = d0.xxx.afilias-nst.org.
xxx nameserver = c0.xxx.afilias-nst.info.
xxx nameserver = b2.xxx.afilias-nst.org.
a2.xxx.afilias-nst.info has address 199.115.156.1
b0.xxx.afilias-nst.org has address 199.115.153.1
a0.xxx.afilias-nst.info has address 199.115.152.1
d0.xxx.afilias-nst.org has address 199.115.155.1
c0.xxx.afilias-nst.info has address 199.115.154.1
b2.xxx.afilias-nst.org has address 199.115.157.1
AS paths:
199.115.152.0/22 [...] 12041 64512
199.115.156.0/23 [...] 12041 64512
[and others]
AS64512 is a "Private Use AS Number".
In BGP terms, this is a little bit like putting your DNS servers in 10.x.x.x space. It's a bit of an odd thing to do.
Nick Waterman, Sr Tech Director, #include <stddisclaimer>
There are dozens of websites that are ad-funded and include Maxim photo-shoots and up-skirt and down-blouse pics of celebrities and clips of sex scenes from Hollywood movies and an occasional Playboy celeb and clothed porn stars.
Most of them perceive themselves as gossip sites aimed at a male audience, but their appeal is basically about pics of attractive women in little or tight clothing. Isn't that soft porn? Some of them show topless pics and "camel-toe", some don't.
So where is your definition? - sexy bikini/lingerie pics (US Maxim, Victoria's Secret), topless (the Sun, UK Maxim, FHM), naked but not showing more than nipples (Zoo, Nuts), naked but not showing much (Playboy), naked and showing everything (Hustler).
What about Hollywood films with sex scenes in them. Want to have topgun.xxx ? sincity.xxx ?
How about advertising: dietcoke.xxx ?
Now there is plenty of real porn out there, and yes the Skinemax-type soft porn is dead. But soft porn is porn that won't admit it's actually porn. Once it admits it's porn, then the drive to harder and harder core kicks in until you reach the point where people start getting turned off rather than on (and then it diversifies into fetishes).
But nothing I listed above apart from Hustler would describe itself as porn. Not even Playboy. Playboy do porn too, but they would regard the magazine as being more like Maxim than Hustler. And they'd be right.
The contentious XXX extension will have no affect on adult Dotcom websites; adult Dotcoms will remain unchanged. Furthermore, with so much adverse publicity – including threats by Governments to block XXX country by country – many will look to avoid the XXX webspace completely. For those compelled to reserve domains defensively, it’s likely that anonymity will be required as names get set as Unresolvable and/or Unknown. The outcome? Perhaps a mass of “For Sale” signs by speculators looking to offload their XXX investments.
All ICANN has done here is to openly advance fragmentation of the Web and encourage people to find new ways of making the most of their surfing experience. The result is that Internet users are now bypassing ICANN to create their own unique, memorable and personalised range of brand new Dashcom Domains and TLDs, totally free.
Sites such as Dashworlds.com now provide brand new Dashcom (not Dotcom) domain names. Dashcoms are addresses in format "business-com", "paris-fashion", "social-network" (and of course any XXX your heart might desire). Totally outside the realm and control of ICANN, Internet users can create any domain or TLD in any language, instantly and at no cost. With users and members in over 90 countries worldwide, resolution is via an APP; although new ISP Links are available to make this unnecessary (ISP Links that are also available to ICANN).
Having just one Internet floating in infinite cyberspace is like saying you can comfortably visit all America by living on Brooklyn Bridge. So now, just as in America (and everywhere else in the world) the Internet has more than one option