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Countries Ranked In Terms of Internet Freedom

msum sent in a report that ranks 37 nations around the would in terms of their internet freedom. Estonia takes gold, the US silver, and Bahrain comes in last.

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  1. Re-post by Pikkebaas · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Re-post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes... but THIS article is about Estonia being 1st, while THAT article was about Australia being 4th. Totally different, see?

    2. Re:Re-post by Xacid · · Score: 1

      At that rate #1 next week should be Elbonia.

    3. Re:Re-post by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is indeed a repost, but it goes further even than that. In TFA, which takes the form of an interview, the response to the first question begins:

      Robert Guerra: Well, this project is actually the second report.

      Sounds like someone might have been nobbled. But in any case, describing countries such as the US or Australia as "free" - when citizens are free to view whatever content they want so long as they have no objection to so-called "Intelligence" services spying on them and taking whatever action they see fit - seems a bit hollow to me.

    4. Re:Re-post by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      Talk about internet censorship : my country (Belgium) is not even mentioned in the report.

    5. Re:Re-post by tsalmark · · Score: 1

      Fictional countries have the best everything.

    6. Re:Re-post by tsalmark · · Score: 1

      When it comes to the most revolting swear word in the whole of the known universe, I think a little censorship is to be forgiven.

    7. Re:Re-post by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Dragons. Which country has the best dragons? I hear that dragon slaying is a lucrative business, if you're any good at it.

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    8. Re:Re-post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So far we know that Australia is 4th, Estonia 1sr, US 2nd, the place of Bahrain is 37.
      As nobody RTFA here, we need quite a few reposts to complete the list. I have full trust in CmdrTaco, he was very good in dupes so far, maybe he can do even better...

    9. Re:Re-post by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And the list is incomplete too. Considering that there are 193 states in the world (or more if you are considering some that aren't fully recognized) then the list may even be incorrect.

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    10. Re:Re-post by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I much prefer training dragons to be flying mounts...
      http://www.howtotrainyourdragon.com/

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    11. Re:Re-post by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Too much mud

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    12. Re:Re-post by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      I live on Pern, and it's not all that easy, Let Me Tell You!

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    13. Re:Re-post by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      CmdrTaco? I think he is supposed to get his own cartoon on Adult Swim.

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    14. Re:Re-post by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Nice :)

      I will have to pick up those books, when I initially read the name, it made me think of DragonLance, but when I googled it, I came up with Anne McCaffery, and I have not read her work.

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  2. Bahrain? by chemicaldave · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean Iran? Did you even read TFA?

    And not even a link to the original report? It's really not hard to find.

    1. Re:Bahrain? by chemicaldave · · Score: 4, Informative

      And here is the report itself.

  3. Who did the voting on this? by elucido · · Score: 1

    And how is freedom on the net even measured without a subjective component?

  4. Re:fgdkshhflkhs by bmo · · Score: 1

    One thing Daft punk left out was "proofread it"

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  5. Gold goes to... by indre1 · · Score: 1

    ...Estonia because it only exists on the Internet (www.ee): noone can actually point it's location on a map.

    1. Re:Gold goes to... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      South of Finland... in the sea? Atlantis?

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    2. Re:Gold goes to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its on the east end of the Baltic sea, along with Latvia and Lithuania. It was part of the USSR for a while.

      I know they dont teach world geography in US schools.

      I have never met anyone from Estonia, but I did know an old lady from Latvia.

      Well, they do teach geography very poorly - it's not covered as a separate subject - it's more of an aside in history classes ("this event happened here, for example ");.

      Because nothing of major importance to world history happened in Estonia other than it being occupied by various other countries during WW2, most US students will have no idea where it is, or even know that it is an actual country.

      Really, knowing about all the countries in the world is good thing, but other than trivia value it's not that useful in your day to day life.

    3. Re:Gold goes to... by Freultwah · · Score: 2

      Really, knowing about all the countries in the world is good thing, but other than trivia value it's not that useful in your day to day life.

      It's not as if anyone is requiring you to name every country's capital, population, main cities, GDP per capita etc. Just knowing a country exists and approximately in what part of the world is a good thing, especially when you happen to meet somebody from that country or have to do business with it. It also comes in handy when planning a trip. More, it can help you avoid looking like complete arse. ("Oh, Estonia, I thought you just mispronounced Australia. Yes, Estonia... It's somewhere in Africa, between China and Paris, yes?" — Actual story.) I am sure you can come up with a few other good ideas how to use knowledge to your benefit.

    4. Re:Gold goes to... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Because nothing of major importance to world history happened in Estonia

      It was one of the two Nazi-occupied countries that were declared Judenfrei (completely free of Jews - usually achieved through eradication), along with Luxembourg.

    5. Re:Gold goes to... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Which was an easy thing to do, unfortunately - both countries are tiny. But while larger than Luxemburg, Estonia is much less important. I should know - I was born there.

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    6. Re:Gold goes to... by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the black eye. The Jewish community was very small, the majority of them managed to flee from the Nazis to Russia, quite many were hidden from the Nazis by Estonians themselves, but a visible bunch were indeed murdered.

  6. Re:Original Report by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Yep, we're off to a bad start. A dupe with a juicy spelling link for the Spelling Brigade in only two sentences of TFS.

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  7. Blogs ranked in terms of repetitiveness by kervin · · Score: 1

    ...Taco doesn't do well.

  8. Sorry state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When Germany places third in Internet Freedom, then the bar must be pretty low. Germany censors web sites. Germany recorded everyone's connection meta data about phone calls and internet connections. Germany makes people who provide open wireless LAN access take the fall for crimes which are committed by other people via that WLAN. In Germany, blog operators are liable for comments if they fail to perform a fair amount of editorial supervision. Germany requires every web site which is written for a public audience to list an email address and a phone number of the person who takes responsibility for the content.

  9. Just like in Independance Day by rikkards · · Score: 2

    Canada is nowhere to be seen.

    1. Re:Just like in Independance Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Canada is nowhere to be seen.

      Well, depending on the whims of the moment, you can lump it in with either the UK, France, or the USA. Sooner or later they should just pick one and give up the charade.

    2. Re:Just like in Independance Day by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      lots of nations where no where to be seen.
      Spain, Japan, France Sweden, Norway, Finland...
      Just take a look at all the white on the map http://www.freedomhouse.org/images/File/FotN/Map.pdf
      In other words this is just about useless because how free the internet is in large part comes down to opinion. In some nations "hate speech" is illegal, in some sexually explicit pictures of 16 year olds is perfectly legal. Which limitation or lack of them makes that nation more or less free?
      It is pretty easy to say that Cuba, Iran, and North Korea's internet are not "free" as in speech while the US, Canada, and Germany are "free" as in speech. But even then you will have people disagreeing with that. And trying to rank how free the free ones are or how repressive the repressive ones are is just an wasted exercise as is this whole study and Slashdot story.
       

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  10. But.. by tomthepom · · Score: 1

    .. where did Australia rank?

  11. United States, seriously? by stopacop · · Score: 1

    US officials can seize your domain without a court order while in Iran or China, they would just block you! Remember the massive domain seizure that ended up being wrong?

    Freedom? That's strictly up for debate!

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    1. Re:United States, seriously? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Freedom? That's strictly up for debate!

      Only if you've paid your Subversive Activities Registration Act fee to South Carolina.

    2. Re:United States, seriously? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      US officials can seize your domain without a court order while in Iran or China, they would just block you! Remember the massive domain seizure that ended up being wrong?

      Freedom? That's strictly up for debate!

      Well considering that the US can seize your domain regardless of what country is hosting your content, that ability probably shouldn't even be considered, as it is the same everywhere.

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    3. Re:United States, seriously? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      Every domain name ultimately comes from ICANN, which is located in California, and therefore if the US government tells them that they can't sell (well, rent) a domain to someone, they can't. That is one of the limitations of any centralized service: it has to abide by the laws under whose jurisdiction it operates. However, domain names are luxuries: any properly-configured* website can be accessed by its IP address rather than its domain name, and if your server is located outside the US, they can't actually shut you down unless your local authorities concur. You just won't have an easy-to-remember URL if they revoke your domain name.

      *Not to imply that websites that can't are improperly configured, per se, only that it's possible to configure one properly such that it can be. Some fairly significant changes might have to be made... for instance, servers that host more than one domain would have to move everything to a single tree (e.g. 1.1.1.1/~site1/...).

    4. Re:United States, seriously? by pbjones · · Score: 1

      thanks for the link, I'm submitting my form now, before the site is /.'ed.

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  12. Re:What? by arth1 · · Score: 2

    "the US silver"

    This enough is proof how bogus this ranking is.

    I think they only look at government suppression, not government sanctioned corporate suppression, nor government surveillance.
    Also keep in mind that this is a US company, who would be sawing off the branch they sat on if they said that their internet was suppressed.

  13. Re:Larry Ellison: Americas Greediest CEO by Millennium · · Score: 2

    So just because he's rich means he doesn't have the right to be treated fairly by the tax board?

  14. what's the point of reading slashdot by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Insightful

    if its own editors don't even read it. because just scanning the headlines for one minute a day and having a barely workable human memory would send off dupe alarm bells

    so taco: please tell us what website you are reading so we can stop reading here and go there instead, since you obviously don't consider slashdot worth your time. you obviously think slashdot is beneath your interest level

    its insulting to slashdot's readers, and it just leaves you with the feeling that if the powers that be around here don't even care enough to read their own site, so why am i reading this site? its a major turn off

    how long has the dupe problem dragged on?

    what exactly is your fucking problem that you can't scan the headlines of your own fucking website for one minute a day?

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  15. What about France ? by Scotch42 · · Score: 1

    with the HADOPI and LOPSI laws... isn't it woth of evaluating or the response would be scary at best?

  16. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, they didn't include every country, and they certainly excluded some countries that would have ranked higher than the US (Canada, which is currently PATRIOT ACT free, is one that immediately comes to mind).

  17. The editors DO read by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    They read the numbers on the cheque the advertisers cut them thanks to mindless drones who continue to post on the site creating content to sell ad impressions.

    Mindless drone 593017, signing off.

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  18. NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What intelligence service is spying on you? Google or Apple perhaps...

    You're joking, right?

    In the USA all Internet traffic that travels through major NOCs is monitored by the NSA. It's pretty well known.

    1. Re:NSA by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      It's pretty well known.

      How about a citation on where that impairs freedom. Can you show any action the NSA has taken to restrict free speech?

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    2. Re:NSA by pdabbadabba · · Score: 1

      Or maybe a citation to substantiate the allegation itself?

    3. Re:NSA by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Or maybe a citation to substantiate the allegation itself?

      Slashdot is not, and does not pretend to be a peer-reviewed academic journal. If you really require a citation for such a trivial statement, Google should be more than sufficient if you have been living in a barrel for at least the last ten years.

    4. Re:NSA by pdabbadabba · · Score: 1

      Perhaps your problem is in thinking that "In the USA all Internet traffic that travels through major NOCs is monitored by the NSA" is a trivial statement. Obviously you can post whatever you want...but it seems to me you'd want to support an assertion like that if you want people to believe it.

    5. Re:NSA by arkenian · · Score: 1
      1.) It being the NSA, while they may very well monitor 'all traffic' they almost certainly throw out every packet not going outside our borders. There's a long list of reasons why this is true.

      2.) I wouldn't think ANY slashdotter would be naive enough to have an expectation of privacy for the unencrypted packets they blast around the internet. And while yes, it is probably true that most encrypted packets probably have weak enough encryption that the NSA can break it.... it is almost certainly not true that the NSA has enough computing power to read EVERY encrypted packet that it comes across.

      3.) I would be willing to place a substantial wager that google knows more about you than the NSA, unless you make a habit of communicating with people in Pakistan or something similar.

    6. Re:NSA by cavreader · · Score: 1

      Even if the NSA was monitoring all the traffic wouldn't it be pretty easy to set up a random message generator to create traffic containing all the potential gotcha keywords or phrases the NSA might be filtering on? After a while I imagine the staff responsible for monitoring these automated detections would become hopelessly overwhelmed making the whole process useless for timely intelligence gathering.

  19. Countries Ranked in Terms of E-Peen Size by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 1

    Fixed.

  20. Re:What? by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, so basically the US is the second most internet-free country, from a list of countries.

    Hold the presses.

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  21. Re:Everything is relative. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    It depends. Wheelchair basketball, sled hockey... some of those guys are actually really good. Besides if you watch the real Olympics almost all the athletes are injured from over training.

    The special Olympics are look how well this guy can do without a leg. The normal olimics is look how well this guy can do with a perfectly fine leg but every thing else bash bruised and broken. (my apologies to Douglas Adams)

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  22. Re:Everything is relative. by FritzTheCat1030 · · Score: 1

    Besides if you watch the real Olympics almost all the athletes are injured from over training.

    Yes, well that and the fact that they had to stop taking their steroids long enough to pass the drug test.

  23. or Canada, or Japan, or Spain, or NZ, or .... by Comboman · · Score: 1

    It would be nice if the study was a little more inclusive.

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  24. Not a single scandinavian country by Lord+of+the+Fries · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You hear about the zeal for progressive freedoms in the Scandinavian countries from time to time it seems to me. Things like the Pirate party in Sweden. And Iceland wanting to make a free press safehouse out of its country. And DVD Jon in Norway. I was kinda shocked that none of Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, or Finland was in this report. Kind of a stupid report IMO.

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    1. Re:Not a single scandinavian country by loneDreamer · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, here in Chile we have the only net-neutrality law worldwide. We do not have censorship due to intelligence, nor deep-package inspection nor any other bullshit. No ridiculous laws about child pornography (yes, VERY illegal, but the actual measures taken are IMHO, much wiser). I don't think we are even mentioned.

  25. Bad report ... pointless to me .. a Canadian! by Raffix · · Score: 1

    Where's Canada?

  26. Re:What? by u17 · · Score: 1

    And why is that?

    I haven't heard of other countries arbitrarily seizing domain names from web sites that the government doesn't like, without due process, without a way to appeal, and without even notification. But this is exactly what the US has been doing recently [1, 2]. This ranking is completely worthless.

    [1] http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/
    [2] http://torrentfreak.com/us-resume-file-sharing-domain-seizures-110201/

  27. Re:What? by nbossett · · Score: 1

    Depending on how you do the weighting, Canada could still come out behind. Among other things, it has done much more than the US to forbid reporting of some current legal proceedings. Obviously, it's a really subjective list (some countries should obviously rank poorly because they're bad on all or almost all metrics, but it's much less clear near the "free" end of the list which factors should matter the most).

  28. Re:FREEDOMHOUSE is a propaganda vehicle by geegel · · Score: 1

    By the way I'm really glad that Slashdot is sticking it to the man. In the report Iran is actually the champion on freedom censorship not Bahrain (lower score, higher freedom). If you can't beat them, confuse them.

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  29. Re:There's no internet freedom without free speech by Teun · · Score: 1

    I believe Germany is pretty much middle of the road for European internet freedom policies, looking at a bunch of others isn't going to sway the outcome of this study by much.

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  30. Re:FREEDOMHOUSE is a propaganda vehicle by TheLink · · Score: 1

    I find it funny that Hillary Clinton talks about internet freedom while they drag some old guy out and cuff him:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My29YT1T4R4

    I guess US citizens are now to restrict their protests to the Internet ;).

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  31. missed something by pbjones · · Score: 1

    the table in the article shows Thailand being worse than Bahrain, or am I missing something?

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    1. Re:missed something by pbjones · · Score: 1

      ooooops sorry, I missed the it was best to worst (100) which still leaves several countries Worse than Bahrain, so is it a crap article, or do they fudge their own figures?

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  32. China by gaelfx · · Score: 1

    Well, China can't be far up there, since the report is quite clearly hard-blocked (which means the connection is always reset when trying to access it). Interestingly enough, imdb is also blocked, which just seems stupid. I really need to get a vpn.

  33. Disturbing that you need laws to protect it by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    And besides, anyone who writes a law to protect freedom on the Internet clearly doesn't understand it well enough in the first place to write a law to protect it.

    Censorship is always going to exist where ever you go, however, it can always be circumvented. If there are any laws needed, it's laws to protect the individual who chooses to go around the censorship.

  34. As an American in Norway by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    I have to say I thought it was quite humorous that the majority of countries where freedom is taken for granted are simply not included.

    For 12 years, I stood up each day in school forced to pledge my allegiance to a flag and the country it stands for under some god I don't even believe in. It's as if they were also trying to force their religion on me as well. The simple fact that we are forced every day to re-pledge our allegiance at risk of being penalized by the principle are taunted by some religious freaks is a simple proof that at even at the basest level, the freedom "All humans are given by their god" is subject to allegiance to a country which recognizes the necessity of forcing it.

    I am in possession copies of Merriam Webster dictionaries starting in their earlier years and updated for each time the accepted American definition is altered for the words "Freedom" and "Liberty". You'd be surprised how often this occurs.

    Given that America feels the need to force people to believe they are in fact free through propaganda and government sponsored reeducation and that the government regularly changes the definition of liberty and freedom to suit their purposes and therefore guarantee they are the most free people with the greatest liberties, it is truly pathetic that under these circumstances they can't even place #1 on a report they sponsored either directly or indirectly.

    When I moved to Norway 13 years ago, I learned about freedom when I realized that it's not an issue here. People aren't sold freedom, they aren't regularly reminded of these great god given liberties (which the Bush attorney general publicly stated are really more of an opinion as opposed to a right the day they chose to suggest the habeas corpus did not apply to those who did not pledge their allegiance to the flag or to those where their allegiance was in question either), instead people simply live and let live.

    It is wonderful to live in a place where you're simply free and no one has to sell it to you.