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FBI Says Wire Fraud Scam Sending Millions To China

Trailrunner7 writes "The FBI is warning businesses about an ongoing spate of attacks that are stealing millions of dollars from companies through unauthorized bank transfers to Chinese companies. The fraudulent wire transfers are not a new tactic, but the FBI says the current round of attacks is notable in that virtually all of the transfers are going to shell companies based in China and have cost U.S. businesses $11 million. The FBI said that many of the cases it has seen involve well-known pieces of malware, such as Zeus, SpyEye and others. The amount of money the attackers try to transfer varies from $50,000 up to nearly $1 million."

125 comments

  1. so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china?

    1. Re:so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep running insecure Windows systems you fucks. Serious, for home users that is one thing... but a business can and should hire IT people who don't think the whole world begins and ends in Redmond. Ah well, not like Microsoft will bear any liability for the system compromises for the "secure" software it sells. More satisifed Microsoft customers!

      Oh yeah since it pisses off the purists: M$.

    2. Re:so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china? by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Either that or it's the first volley in a war between Nigeria and China.

    3. Re:so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china? by x*yy*x · · Score: 2

      but a business can and should hire IT people who don't think the whole world begins and ends in Redmond.

      We've already been over the subject of user stupidity and that every OS is as insecure as the user many times, but I wanted to note regarding that line.. Most of the time, proprietary products (be it Microsoft or other large companies that cater to businesses) are the only viable choice. For example in browsers IE is the only one that has great support for internal deployment and policies. As a home user you most likely don't care, but if you're ever needed to handle a large amount of business computers you know how much easier IE makes it. Firefox, Chrome, Opera and all are tailored for home users. It doesn't have any policy handling and deploying. Personally I use Opera and wouldn't ever touch IE, but I understand and don't just ignore the reason companies want to use it. And it's not only IE, it's also Windows and many other commercial software.

    4. Re:so now Nigeria jobs have moved to china? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Ah well, not like Microsoft will bear any liability for the system compromises for the "secure" software it sells.

      Unlike, say OSX, Linux or BSD where you get an unlimited liability guarantee free with every piece of software you install.

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  2. Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0

    I am not able to understand this. They already own USA. Then why are they stealing from something they already own? Well, chalk it up to yet another thing of deep eastern mysticism unfathomable by the shallow western philosophical materialists.

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    1. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

      We said and feared something similar when Japan was on an economic rampage.

      China owns a lot of US Debt. That's not the same as owning the US... not yet anyway. China has been playing a lot of dirty money games such as valuing their currency based on US currency which is a very certain way to maintain a trade deficit.

      But let's not confuse "chinese government" with "chinese people." They are an interesting set. On one hand, they are the most viciously capitalistic people on the planet. On the other, they live under an oppressive government that claims to be communist but are actually just an abusive bunch of control freaks.

      So some clever Chinese people realized that they are pretty much "untouchable" and have decided to perform criminal acts from across the internet. They also know they are likely not to get punished so long as they pay off the right officials in the process. It's how their game is played.

    2. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      On the other, they live under an oppressive government that claims to be communist but are actually just an abusive bunch of control freaks.

      What's the difference?

    3. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by erroneus · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's the difference? Wow. Learn what "communism" is supposed to be. For most people, it is the picture of utopia. Most people are "communist" and don't even realize it. The problem is that communism has never happened in the history of the world and the promise of it has been used to overthrow governments and cultures all over the world and have invariably resulted in oppressive and abusive states like China, the former USSR, Cuba and who knows where else.

      Seriously, I invite you to learn what communism is supposed to be. If you spend even a little time learning about that and about human behavior, especially from a sociological perspective, you will see pretty clearly that communism is a huge lie that can never happen because people are involved. Once you have learned those things, you will see the difference. Communism ain't what you think it is.

    4. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 1

      Why complain when you can bomb them? That seems like your standard foreing-policy to deal with all those half-naked, food-deprived, thirsty countries in the middle east.

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    5. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I am not able to understand this. They already own USA. Then why are they stealing from something they already own?

      Well, if you own a bunch of US debt, and steal a bunch of cash ... you get paid twice. Greed is a pretty easy motive to grasp.

      And, as has been pointed out, this may not be the same people who own the debt ... when you're willing to do this kind of large-scale fraud, you're certainly not playing by any "rules" of good conduct.

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    6. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by cavreader · · Score: 2

      China holds approx 6% of outstanding near term treasury certificates. How you figure they own the US is a mystery.

    7. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by HermDog · · Score: 2

      The way things are going, I figure it's the only way the Chinese can be sure they'll get any return on their investment.

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    8. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Less money in circulation means each dollar is worth more. The Chinese are just taking money out of the country to prop up the value of the dollar as a currency. Otherwise it would end up worthless, destroying their investment. Really, the U.S. should thank the Chinese government for enabling them to pay back their debts in money that has value to them. Twice.

    9. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by cobrausn · · Score: 1

      The juxtaposition of your post and the AC post above you - delicious.

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    10. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      What's the difference? Wow. Learn what "communism" is supposed to be.

      I'd rather look at what "communism" has actually been in every country where it's ever been tried: an abusive bunch of control freaks telling everyone what to do and murdering those who disagree.

    11. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      I've studied political and social structures and can tell you that communism is NOT the picture of utopia-- and was never really written to be utopian. It was a reaction to the perceptions of an era gone by. Collectivism was an experiment that lead to totalitarianism, as many sociopolitical experiments often lead.

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    12. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Owning US Debt is never going to be the same as the owning the US. The US will just print it and send over the worthless digital paper. Now that would be a very unpleasant experience for Americans and also unpleasant for the Chinese (though less so).

      Pegging, well psuedo-pegging, their currency isn't really a dirty money game. The US controls half that game and could stop it overnight too.

    13. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US should deduct what ever funds are stolen and transferred to China from the overall debt they own. Perhaps this will at least give them an incentive to crack down on this type of stuff.

    14. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Communist is a subset of control freaks - there are plenty of control freak systems that are not communism.

      And you can't be stupid enough to not know that.

    15. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      What's the difference? Wow. Learn what "communism" is supposed to be. For most people, it is the picture of utopia.

      Well, there was pretty much always been the concept of the Vanguard.

      These are the guys who ram communism down everyone's throats and act as the visionaries to make sure everyone complies with their ideals. The initial implementation pretty much requires force in order to make everyone realize the glorious days to come -- Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot are examples of this. Look at how they're remembered.

      Of course, the reason it's never really worked as advertised is that you replace one set of dictators with another -- you also end up creating a new "middle" class who is comfortable and doesn't want to play, as well as a new ruling class who abuse their privileges.

      Communism in the abstract is the nice, happy, utopian situation you describe ... but in order to bring it about, it requires vicious people willing to "break a few eggs". Only after it's become the norm do all of these benefits materialize (which so far, is never). Essentially, the Chinese government are the caretakers of that 'vision'.

      Communism is generally implemented by a bunch of people deciding on behalf of everyone else to forcibly put it in place. It hasn't resulted in the goals yet, because it never really seems to get out of its enforcement of ideology stage.

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    16. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      But let's not confuse "chinese government" with "chinese people."

      What the hell is that supposed to mean? Is the Chinese government run by Albanians, or what?

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    17. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, let's conflate communism with totalitarianism, even though the later can occcur in ANY economic system. What good are words? Pfft..I know a dirty red when I see one.

    18. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by DJLuc1d · · Score: 1

      Wow. Learn what "communism" is supposed to be. For most people, it is the picture of utopia.

      Same could be said of democracy, and look how that keeps turning out. Not trying to trash democracy here, just noting that people keep fucking it up.

    19. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Good for you. The rest of the world prefers to learn about subjects then compare and contrast them to reality. No fancy book learnin for you.

    20. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      This is NOT about owning our debt. It is about owning the companies, obtain the IP, and then moving the manufacturing to your own location before you decide to hit them hard.

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    21. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I invite you to learn what communism is supposed to be. If you spend even a little time learning about that and about human behavior, especially from a sociological perspective, you will see pretty clearly that communism is a huge lie that can never happen because people are involved.

      Exactly, it's too idealistic to be practical. Like Libertarianism (real Libertarianism, not the corporate-sponsored version that's sweeping the land).

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    22. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your statement is true even if every instance "communism" is replaced with "capitalism" (in the Happy Adam Smith sense) or even "democratic". The comedy here is that people seem to be under the impression that America is a Democracy with Free Markets. It really isn't, not by a long shot.

    23. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      So, by your own admission, the "people's democracies" of the former Warsaw pact are in fact a brilliant and shining example of democracy? As well as Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

      Seriously, get your head out of your ass. PR calling things exact opposites of what they are doesn't make things whose names they usurp equal their actions. If you live in the modern times and still haven't learned this, I have a lot of land on the Moon to sell you.

    24. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Because China is at war with the west. It is not just American firms, but Western firms. That includes Canadian, Australian, UK, and all of EU. Everybody thinks that it is in China's best interest to keep us going. Nothing could be further from the truth. You always wiped out an enemies strength when possible to make it easy to invade them later. Ganghis did it. So did Napoleon and the Romans. It works wonders. The real strength of the west has been that we had a mostly diversified and distributed economy amongst us that was impossible to destabilize. Now, China is going for the heart of it.

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    25. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      No, they're run by large, multinational corporations same as every other modern country.

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    26. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      Because we all know that China is a monolithic organism masquerading as a nation of individuals?

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    27. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      And these corporations, they're run by what, martians? See, it still makes no difference. All we are seeing is how power evolves. Humans are just the medium, not really in any direct control.

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    28. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather look at what "communism" has actually been in every country where it's ever been tried

      Actually it works perfectly well as long as your 'country' is small enough to keep those in power in check. Tribal cultures are perfectly capable of instituting communism, but when a 'nation' gets larger than a few hundred people then the leaders are removed from the people and start acting like asses.

    29. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA would effectively be communist if

      a) all publicly-traded companies had exactly 330 million shares of stock.
      b) all citizens were given one share of stock in each publicly-traded company.
      c) every time a new citizen is born, each company issues one more share of stock.

    30. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      The way I get it (and I am not expert) is that Communism is simply the political extension of commune or communal. That is where people work and live together for the common good. I think ideologically it simply means that the rights of the state supersede that of the individual. So far as an ideal goes, its pretty darn good, in principle.

      In practice however Greed, and Power tend to get in there and mess about. Where everyone is supposed to be "equal" there tends to be large inequity. China saw that the state managed economy of the USSR didn't really work that well and was really just a huge deck of cards that eventually came down. So they merged Capitalism which seemed to be working for the west at the time with Communism. While it does seem to be sort of working at least from a growth perspective, they basically get the worst from both systems. Lack of any political rights as per a democracy and escalating fiscal inequality among the population. Right now it is working as they hold the hope carrot of a better life out there for the masses. However as soon as they figure out that they have no power politically, and no hope fiscally, I think the proverbial shit is going to hit the fan. How long that will take or will they adjust who knows. Of course people could say that about some western countries right now also.

    31. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totalitarianism cannot occur in a laissez-faire capitalistic market, by definition.

    32. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by jesseck · · Score: 1

      I've believed Communism would be the best form of government... but Human Nature makes that impossible. So, we'll settle for second best, such as a Republic or Democracy, where at least a mass of human nature can hopefully cancel out the evil.

    33. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      But what would happen to shares of the deceased? Your idea fails to account for this.

    34. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other side of the coin capitalism has never really happened either... Our picture of what capitalism is does not fit the definition at all. The whole thoughtless raging against these ideas is rather farcical if you really take a look at either system of resource and wealth management. Neither has ever existed and neither ever will.

      I would entirely agree with you that most people lean more toward communist ideas than capitalist ideas regardless of what they will tell you because they don't understand what the words actually mean and are programmed with knee-jerk reactions whenever they are queried on the topic.

    35. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Totalitarianism cannot occur in a laissez-faire capitalistic market, by definition.

      If I bought up all the water companies in your nation, who would stand up to me? I would expect any resistance to my rule to "dry up" in three days or so.

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    36. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by robot256 · · Score: 2

      Totalitarianism cannot occur in a laissez-faire capitalistic market, by definition.

      True, but only insofar as the moment that totalitarian rule starts, it ceases to be a laissez-faire state. There is nothing in laisse-faire capitalism that prevents bad actors from destroying the system, because such measures are called "regulations".

    37. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with communism as it's been tried so far is that it hasn't been democratic. Totalitarian communism is just as bad, and bad for the same reasons, as totalitarianism capitalism. What the world needs is democratic communism.

      FWIW, Bakunin forsaw the problems with Marxism well before it was ever applied. He famously said "freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality". He was right on both counts.

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    38. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      China is not stealing from USA. Thieves and scammers are stealing from people and businesses.

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    39. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 1

      A difference of five seconds. Brilliant!

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    40. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      What's the difference with the US? Except that the US Government owes China and the US values it's currency based on oil and by forcing other economies to use it.

      The US-ians are also viciously capitalistic, they'll even forgo Universal Health Care as long as it doesn't impact them. They live under an oppressive government that claims to be democratic but are actually just an abusive bunch of politically incestuous control freaks.

      So some clever US people realized that they are pretty much "untouchable" and have decided to perform criminal acts across it's own and other economies. They also know they are likely not to get punished as long as they pay off the right officials in the process. It's how their game is played.

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    41. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by MimeticLie · · Score: 1

      People use the wrong terminology for things all the time. Consider what the term "hacker" has come to mean in contrast to its original meaning.

      If you want to see communism in action (not "communism"), look at the kibbutz system in Israel. You'll find a distinct lack of totalitarianism and murder.

    42. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      I think ideologically it simply means that the rights of the state supersede that of the individual. So far as an ideal goes, its pretty darn good, in principle.

      Until you are the individual whose rights get superseded. It can only sound good to you if it is other people's rights getting superseded but not yours and if you are a selfish arsehole totally lacking in compassion. Unless of course it is only the BAD people whose rights get superseded and they deserve it and it won't affect you because you are one of the GOOD people, in which case it differs little from a theocracy.

    43. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by sjames · · Score: 1

      You must admit though, that at a theoretical level anyway, Communism (minus the whole Atheism thing) is fairly harmonious with Christian values and the GOP is pretty close to the antithesis.

    44. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious:

      Let the computers run the communist system, you know what the computers are going to do?
      "Humans are a threat to the planet. Exterminate."

      End.

      This is why there will never be a working communist power ever.

      The best we can hope for is to educate everyone, wether by law, or forceful confinement, I don't care, that unchecked babymaking is bad, fairy tales aren't true (including all forms of god) and that everyone will be happier and less evil if you don't start cheating the system in the first place. Those that can't understand the three concepts aren't permitted to have children, teach or be employed, eg they remain "children" in the eyes of the society.

    45. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      And these corporations, they're run by what, martians?

      Heh, maybe -- how would I know for sure? :D

      No seriously, the point is that corporations are not strictly speaking run by humans, but by committees.

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    46. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      On the other, they live under an oppressive government that claims to be communist but are actually just an abusive bunch of control freaks.

      What's the difference?

      It's always great to hear insightful and interesting comments from experts in political philosophy.

      In the meantime...

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    47. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Totalitarianism cannot occur in a laissez-faire capitalistic market, by definition.

      Only if it's a laissez-faire capitalist doing the defining.

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    48. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      People use the wrong terminology for things all the time. Consider what the term "hacker" has come to mean in contrast to its original meaning. If you want to see communism in action (not "communism"), look at the kibbutz system in Israel. You'll find a distinct lack of totalitarianism and murder.

      Or look at the Mondragon co-operatives in Spain, not absolutely egalitarian, but close enough, and a practical and successful economic model.

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    49. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I guess I meant from an ideological perspective.

      First supposedly in Communism there is no, Bad or Good people all are equal as that is the whole point. The ONLY bad people would be those that refuse to participate in Communism, hence some of the strife caused.

      However, yes if you are the guy that gets his rights taken away, it sucks, but supposedly it is for good reason for the greater benefit for all, and thus worthwhile.

      The classic harsh example might be: You have to be killed, but in being killed you save 10,000 people. Sucks to be you, but great for many. As Spock would say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Now the tricky part that always goes along with this is at what threshold of "rights transfer" from individual to state is "acceptable". To put it in the previous simplistic example, lets say your death would only save 10 people, would that be sufficient for the state to make that choice? What about only one really important person (which isn't supposed to work that way). I think the bottom line is that it give the state some pretty crazy power, and anyone who has it gets a bit drunk with it, and certainly never wants to relinquish it, or have anything apply to them. Having an economy based on a ponzi scheme doesn't help either. Anyway its an ideal, how it is implemented is something else entirely.

    50. Re:Cant figure this one out. Quite inexplicable. by nobodie · · Score: 1

      No, it is not inexplicable. This place is full of script kiddies who have access to both the scripts and the limited know-how required to run the botnets. They also have two other things that are required and that most people forget: 1) they have absolutely no morals and no interest in anyone besides their immediate family.
      2) they have a good stack of easy money from their family who are proud of their offspring and their "business acumen"

      Chinese message boards are packed with people who consider anything western to be fair game for anything they want to do. You are sheep for the fleecing to these kids. I lived on this little island off the coast near Shanghai where the NYT reported on some kiddies who were holed up in a concrete box 1 room apartment just slamming away at networks in the west trying to bust in and grab anything. And they were pretty skilled. The kids where I live now are less skilled, but perfectly happy to stay up all night and rake in a thousand dollars (almost 10 times minimum MONTHLY wage here) from one simple mistake on somebodies part in the US.

      There is no reason for them to stop. The government is run by their parents. It is up to you to protect yourself.

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  3. 2 factor authentification by Liquidretro · · Score: 1

    I assume if your using 2 factor authentication it prevents you from an attack like this, because the attacker does not have your 2nd factor only your password?

  4. Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by Megor1 · · Score: 1

    It's hard to imagine that we still use things like checks and wire transfers. They are extremely vulnerable to fraud, the banks have made no strides to update a system they know is insecure because it's cheaper for them to let their customers suffer or eat the loss than to update to a secure system. Even credit/debit cards which are cloned all the time are easily protected by switching to smart cards instead of magnetic media, but at least in the US no changes have been made (In Canada I did see places now using smart cards for purchases).

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    1. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The banking system seems set up to facilitate fraud sometimes. Every time we hear about a wire transfer, the police have to point out how they're untraceable and any money sent over them is just gone. This sounds insane to me, why aren't there computerized logs of every single transaction? Finding out where money went should be as simple as "ok, it was transferred to , from there it was transferred to , and then to . At the last bank it was withdrawn as cash. With that information, you should be able to go to the bank and get the security camera footage, signature, account holder information, etc... It's not perfect, but it sure beats " electronic transfer are impossible to trace".

      Heck, every time I've had to use wire transfers, it sits around for a few days so the fed can leech interest off of it. Seems to me it should be possible to head that fraudulent transaction off at the pass if the authorities can act fast enough. Granted, it would lead to the same outcry you get when Paypal freezes an account, but it seems better than funding organized crime all over the world.

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    2. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by operagost · · Score: 2

      Every time we hear about a wire transfer, the police have to point out how they're untraceable and any money sent over them is just gone. This sounds insane to me, why aren't there computerized logs of every single transaction?

      There are. Protip: the police (and banks) lie.

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    3. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by causality · · Score: 2

      The banking system seems set up to facilitate fraud sometimes. Every time we hear about a wire transfer, the police have to point out how they're untraceable and any money sent over them is just gone. This sounds insane to me, why aren't there computerized logs of every single transaction? Finding out where money went should be as simple as "ok, it was transferred to , from there it was transferred to , and then to . At the last bank it was withdrawn as cash. With that information, you should be able to go to the bank and get the security camera footage, signature, account holder information, etc... It's not perfect, but it sure beats " electronic transfer are impossible to trace".

      It depends. The paper trail is precisely how they will get you, if you piss off the wrong people. It's surprisingly difficult for a corporation to do that, even if it's just a shell corporation.

      Granted, it would lead to the same outcry you get when Paypal freezes an account, but it seems better than funding organized crime all over the world.

      If we were really interested in no longer funding organized crime, we'd end the idiotic War on (some) Drugs and admit that after decades of trying, it has never accomplished its stated goals and never will. Creating a black market to ensure organized criminals always have a steady revenue stream seems to be the only thing it's managed to do. Wouldn't that also restore some respect for the institution of law, if people could see that laws get repealed as soon as it's obvious that they don't work and aren't going to work? This one is long past that time.

      It would be the single most harmful thing we could possibly do to organized criminals everywhere. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it would do more to undermine them than the next ten best ideas put together. As Al Capone found out, there's nothing quite like contraband that many people really want for ensuring an under-the-table revenue stream.

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    4. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Why? I refuse to believe that everybody else in the world is in on the scam. Is it just because it would be work and they're too lazy? It doesn't make sense to me that a bank wouldn't want to get its account back, I mean that is literally money in the bank.

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    5. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Policing organizations don't have the abilities to investigate international crime. The FBI is charged with those if I'm not mistaken and they only go after the most egregious cases. We're often talking multi-year long investigations where millions of dollars are involved. These $500,000 - 1 million dollar cases are small fry and the criminals know that. If you are a good criminal you know the various laws. For instance anything under like $200-$700 (I don't know what the current number is) on a credit card isn't something that is even investigated by a legal organization. So what the criminals do is limit how much they will charge on any given card. Thus the authorities don't get involved.

    6. Re:Maybe it's time to update the banking system? by InlawBiker · · Score: 1

      Well obviously they should stop using wires. Everything is wireless these days, stop using the wires - problem solved!

  5. I bet patent trolls send money to china, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, all's fair in love and economic warfare.

  6. Malware by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    "The FBI said that many of the cases it has seen involve well-known pieces of malware, such as Zeus, SpyEye and others. The amount of money the attackers try to transfer varies from $50,000 up to nearly $1 million"

    Guess this is another cost to add to those Windows TCO numbers....

    1. Re:Malware by mspohr · · Score: 1

      But does it run on Linux???

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    2. Re:Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could, but it requires a major rewriting of the code ;)

  7. This is impressive *how*? by sehlat · · Score: 0

    Big deal. Our own government policies have sent millions of JOBS to China, and mostly all we get is cheap crud to fill our garages. I have to admire the enterprise of the scam, though, bypassing the middleman and going straight for cash.

  8. Many US businesses have very bad controls. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    I am very surprised by the lack of controls in some companies. I get magazine subscription form written just like an invoice. I was wondering why, when a friend told me that some companies would routinely mail payments to anything that looks like an official invoice. Also so many company provided cell phone accounts are victims of slamming (adding unauthorized service to a phone bill, mostly things like cheat code alerts for games or apps) and the companies don't even realize it. Some companies with direct billing by hotels routinely pad up the invoices and bills for services never rendered and they get paid. Recently in Pittsburgh the CEO of a tiny bank stole 1 million dollars through unauthorized ATM transactions and brought the bank down.

    But of course some companies are on the other end of the spectrum and make mid level managers to sign off on each cup of coffee bought in airports.

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  9. HELLO by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Greetings,

    Allow me to introduce myself. I am Xing Liuxian, the son of emperor Xing Liaopeng, hailing from China. Recently my father has passed away leaving a fortune of 10 billion yuan to me and my siblings, however we are unable to receive the full sum inheritance due to recent changes to tax law that would leave us with only 10%. I am seeking an intermediary overseas who would be able to assist us in exploiting a tax loophole which would allow us to inherit the full sum. For these services we would offer you 5% of the full sum, an amount equal to roughly 80 million US dollars. This is not technically illegal however it is in a legal gray area and would be embarrassing to the family if word got out, so if you are able to assist us, please keep this in the strictest confidence.

    Regards,

    Liuxian

    liuxian@xingpalace.cn

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    1. Re:HELLO by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have an Uncle in Nigeria, relative of former Finance Ministre now in Swiss exile, who is very interesting to your kind offer, please forward urgently your bank details so he can affect an immediate bank transfer.

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  10. fraudulent wire transfers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would these 'compromised business computers` be running Windows by any chance? What imdemnification does the OS vendor provide the endusers against being ripped off in this manner?

  11. Obama's warning.. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dear China,

    Please stop or we'll say stop again.

    -Barack

    1. Re:Obama's warning.. by McKing · · Score: 1

      That seems more like Don Sideshow's proposed ultimatum to OPEC.

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    2. Re:Obama's warning.. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      So far, Obama is doing more than W/neo-cons did. We are seeing the Yuan rise slowly, while under W it was fixed shortly after it was supposed to be freed. Likewise, W/neo-cons passed tax breaks to send manufacturing to China. Hell, the man even allow weapons tech to flow freely to China.

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    3. Re:Obama's warning.. by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you just make stuff up?

      Under W the yuan moved from 8.27 per USD to 6.84 per USD or a rise of 21%.

      Under Obama it's moved from 6.84 to 6.53 or a rise of 5%.

      of course Obama has had less time, but it wasn't unpegged until mid-2005 and the highest rate of increase was during W's time.

      And of course this isn't really the Yuan slowly rising, it's the dollar falling. Since Obama's been in, sure the Yuan has risen against the US Dollar. But it's fallen aginst the Aussie Dollar, it's fallen against the Euro, it's fallen against the Japanese Yen. It's fallen against the British Pound. And so on and so on. Making your own currency fall is trivial, just print more of it (see QE1 and QE2).

    4. Re:Obama's warning.. by DarthVain · · Score: 2

      Well you know the saying:

      "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."

      and I guess it still goes if that hand every now and again bitch slaps you.

    5. Re:Obama's warning.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you type that on your chinese made computer?

    6. Re:Obama's warning.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More like -Everyone.

      NOBODY is willing to stand up to China.

      Nobody in the government will stand up to them, regardless of party.
      No companies will stand up to them, because their profits will suffer. (except maybe Google...)
      No consumers will stand up to them, because they like cheap stuff too much.

      China is basically saying "we'll do whatever the hell we want" and everyone lets them get away with it.

    7. Re:Obama's warning.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Obama's been in, sure the Yuan has risen against the US Dollar. But it's fallen aginst the Aussie Dollar, it's fallen against the Euro, it's fallen against the Japanese Yen. It's fallen against the British Pound.

      Since when did we start caring about unimportant currencies such as the Aussie dollar, ffs?

    8. Re:Obama's warning.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly.

      That is all the "West" has left. Words. And empty ones at that.

      Manufacturing, stripped, exported and outsourced. It would cost billions to restart industry.
      Resources - under Chinese control, worldwide (African mineral wealth... never underestimate it)
      Botwars - developed and capability in place.
      Money - who OWNS the debt. Someplace in Proverbs (in a book sadly scorned by the 'modern' West) it say the lender is master over the borrower. No decision maker has read that in the last 50 years...

      So should the "West" stop all imports, they would have no goodies to keep their own masses happy and spending.
      And of course, their thinktanks never saw this coming...

  12. $11 million? Meh. by PPH · · Score: 1

    I'd like more coverage of the DOJ's investigation into energy price manipulation. Specifically more news on Eric Holder's "disturbing information". We are losing orders of magnitudes more money to that that what a few phony Chinese invoices manage to squeeze out of companies with poor financial controls.

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    1. Re:$11 million? Meh. by operagost · · Score: 1

      The Fed is manipulating the price through quantitative easing. Arrest Bernanke at the press conference along with all the presidents of the federal reserve banks.

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  13. Meanwhile the FBI... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile the FBI spends more time chasing after pot heads, their dealers (because it's illegal and all), people that copy music and movies, and spy on US citizen because the FISA act says they can.

    Chinese people scamming people here? Those 2 over there take care of it but one's on training to learn Chinese and the other is on maternity leave.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile the FBI... by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      .>Meanwhile the FBI spends more time chasing after ... people that copy music and movies...

      That's almost exclusively done by private companies on the MPAA/RIAA's dime. The FBI is rarely involved (since it's not criminal).

    2. Re:Meanwhile the FBI... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      No it's done by ICE which doesn't make it any less criminal. Hence why they keep seizing domains and replacing them with http://74.81.170.110/

    3. Re:Meanwhile the FBI... by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Almost all of those domain seizures are for sites selling counterfeit products or engaged in the sale of copyrighted works. Admittedly, not all of them are. But ICE shutting down major torrent websites and sites that are profiting from counterfeiting or ignoring copyright (which *is* criminal) is a far cry from the FBI "chasing after ... people that copy music and movies".

  14. Port cities? by zalas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The companies used for this fraud include the name of a Chinese port city in their official name. These cities
    include: Raohe, Fuyuan, Jixi City, Xunke, Tongjiang, and Dongning.

    Odd that they'd use the term "port city", as these don't sound like major transportation hubs. What's interesting is that all these places they've named are actually places on or near the border of Russia and China, in Heilongjiang Province.

    1. Re:Port cities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't read TFA, but if I get it right, they have a domain name like system for company names. Most companies, registered in their municipality, have to include the name of the city in the company full name in order to tell apart from similarly named companies else where. To register one without, the company has to go up higher level to the national registration, which takes a lot more money and time and financial requirements.

  15. You get what you ask for by pavon · · Score: 1

    If your system puts almost total control over property and ownership in the hands of the government then it will always result in a totalitarian regime no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

    Any system of government can be awesome if you ignore it's inherent faults and focus on what it could be if everything magically worked they way you want it to. Benevolent dictatorships have lots of advantages, except that no one is good enough or smart enough for those to be realized, and most people in power aren't even close to good. Democracy can be awesome, but it takes a lot more than mere popular vote to get there; you have to have tons of checks and balances just to prevent the worst of rights violations to occur, let alone reach it's full potential. Considering how challenging it has been to make democracy work, just imagine how much harder it would be if the state had even more centralized power. But that is exactly what communism does. If we want to increase liberty we need power to be more widely distributed not less, and removing property rights does the opposite of that.

    So, excuse me if I chose to judge socioeconomic systems on reality rather than fantasy.

  16. Chinese only much less than 10% of our debt by rsborg · · Score: 1

    I am not able to understand this. They already own USA. Then why are they stealing from something they already own? Well, chalk it up to yet another thing of deep eastern mysticism unfathomable by the shallow western philosophical materialists.

    The biggest owners of the US Debt are US Citizens and companies.
    http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/who-owns-the-u-s-debt-07152010/?display=wide

    China only owns ~25% of the foreign holdings, which is only 23% of the debt, so basically they own ~6% of our debt.

    In the infographic, the "Federal Reserve and US Intragovernmental holdings" is mostly money lent out to print money and Social Security accounts.
    So the government for the past 30+ years has been spending like a drunk sailor (on wars, and corporate welfare) using YOUR social security deposits, and now wants to cut your benefits to "settle the balance". How nice of them.

    I'd prefer they pay back Social Security by running a damn surplus for a few years. Start by stripping the corporate welfare and "loosened tax rates" for billionaires and other tax cheats.

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    1. Re:Chinese only much less than 10% of our debt by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      You should be fair about this.
      Most billionaires pay vastly more of their income as a percentage to taxes than you or I do.
      If you want to tighten up the tax code, that's fine, but to say individual rich people are not pulling their share is FUD.

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    2. Re:Chinese only much less than 10% of our debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most billionaires pay vastly more of their income as a percentage

      LOL WAT?

      Warren Buffet famously announced that he pays less than his secretary.

      The real issue with dweebs screaming about "teh richies!!1!" is that the vast majority of those millionaires and billionaires have nothing but paper. If the stock market crashed tomorrow they'd all be in the streets sobbing about the millions and billions they "lost" that they never really had to begin with. They aint rich.

    3. Re:Chinese only much less than 10% of our debt by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 1

      They aint rich

      Curiously enough, you take the bus to go to the supermarket, they rent a Black Hawk.

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    4. Re:Chinese only much less than 10% of our debt by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Most billionaires pay vastly more of their income as a percentage to taxes than you or I do.

      That would be true if you reversed the meaning entirely, so it is in a very real sense complete bollocks.

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  17. War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it . We are always hearing about China stealing our money, our technology and pretty well anything they can get their hands on.
    It's as if the China government has declared War on us and they are starting by just taking everything they possibly can.

  18. Where is the money actually going? by iONiUM · · Score: 1

    I find it odd that they can't track the actual recipients of all this money. Is it government sponsored? I guess that's all I want to know.

    1. Re:Where is the money actually going? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, that may be harder than it sounds. As zalas pointed out above, the misappropriation of credit is taking place in Chinese cities bordering Russia. They probably have a money laundering scheme that converts that credit into something anonymously negotiable bought from accomplices over the border. By the time you've noticed what's happened, the money has changed hands so many times its in the hands of numerous legitimate businesses and has been for quite a few transactions.

      So what you've got to do is trace that chain of transactions back until you find the frauds. Supposing you manage to get the law enforcement agencies of three (or more) different countries to look into this, the bogus "businesses" on the front end of the chain have shut down. The people behind those fraudulent businesses are still there, but they have a new set of businesses and victims. Since they're operating in a country with endemic official corruption and weak business regulation, they'll never get caught unless they're so greedy they do something stupid. Like still doing this when the Chinese government decides it needs to make a show of throwing some corrupt people under the bus.

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  19. And there is no cold war on by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Yet, China directs their large number of attacks at the west, mostly America, to drain us of cash. Smart on their part.

    I think of all the lovers of that on this site, mostly from the west, who do not think once about the fact that this is backed by the CHINESE GOV.. If the CIA was backing such an operation, these same ppl would be screaming bloody murder and saying that we were in an active war with somebody. Hell, I have seen ppl here support CHina's attack on the west, while being upset about the west's stuxnet attack on Iran's nuclear weapons program.

    Just amazing.

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    1. Re:And there is no cold war on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to witness a public outcry about the CIA's operations. What was that thing with the tanks for the catholics in South Sudan that accidentially fell into the hands of the islamic North again?
      Who cares right, it's just tanks, not like they hacked anyone...

    2. Re:And there is no cold war on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt China is involved. These are minor amounts of money. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian mob were involved though. Russian mob has control of the Russian government. It is immune from prosecution. China is also known for payoffs so if people are doing this along the Russian border as it sounds like they are it is just a diversion tactic when it comes to blame. I'm betting that the Russians are paying Chinese or maybe Russian Chinese looking individuals and producing fake identifying documents to setup these accounts. Then when they get the money they drop head back over to Russia where they can't be prosecuted. It isn't a matter of identifying whom when those involved are protected by a government. That is why investigations go nowhere. Not a lack of capability.

    3. Re:And there is no cold war on by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It is MINOR amounts from a gov. POV. However, what it does is drain and destroy other companies. From these companies POV, it is a MAJOR amount of money.

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  20. So this is how China becomes the #1 economy! by Mirrim · · Score: 0

    I see what you're doing there!

  21. Re:Can figure this one out. Quite explicable. by thomst · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, I invite you to learn what communism is supposed to be. If you spend even a little time learning about that and about human behavior, especially from a sociological perspective, you will see pretty clearly that communism is a huge lie that can never happen because people are involved.

    The same can be said for Libertarianism. Both belief systems are based on fundamental misunderstandings of human nature: communism is founded on the notion that workers are somehow less corrupt and greedy than the rich and the despised middle class, libertarianism on the concept that humans will somehow behave at all times, in regards to all decisions, in a thoroughly rational manner, based strictly on their own self-interest, particularly where money is concerned. Both are utterly laughable ideas. The first would qualify as charmingly naive, were it not for the millions persecuted, imprisoned, and killed by so-called "communist" regimes that were, at best, merely industrial-grade authoritarianism dressed up in socialist clown suits. (Since there never has been - and never will be - a Libertarian paradise on Earth, the Libertarian delusion actually does qualify for the "charmingly naive" sobriquet.)

    Greed and selfishness are permanent features of human nature. Any political theory that denies that fact is predestined to fail. Likewise, humans are stubbornly irrational critters, prone to making decisions for silly, provably-wrong, and/or strictly emotional reasons that wind up being completely contrary to their personal self-interest. And any political theory that studiously turns its pretty head away from THAT fact is, likewise, doomed from the git-go to fail hilariously.

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  22. Re:Fuck China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to be kidding me with "STEALING our jobs". They didn't steal anything.

    You're such an idiot you don't even realize it. In your first point (manipulating currency) you defend free markets/no interventionism, but then when you utter such nonsense as "stealing our jobs", you preach the opposite.

    Get out of your linux every once in a while and learn about the real world out there, which is complex, has no clear evil, and has a million shades of gray.

  23. 11 million only? by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Doesn't seem like such a big deal. Just the 77 million stolen accounts from PSN could be worth about that already.

    So is this just another China = bogeyman propaganda piece?

    11 million is just a rounding error compared to how much the Federal Reserve, investment bankers etc have taken from the US people.

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  24. Re:Can figure this one out. Quite explicable. by erroneus · · Score: 1

    That's such an accurate blanket statement that it should be on a bumper sticker or a tattoo.

  25. Want to protect yourselves vs. SpyEye & Zeus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Defend yourselves vs. both SpyEye &/or Zeus botnets, via these 2 sites that track the entire server network of both the ZEUS &/or SpyEyE botnets:

    ---

    SPYEYE TRACKER:

    https://spyeyetracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php

    ZEUS TRACKER:

    https://zeustracker.abuse.ch/monitor.php?filter=online

    ---

    I populate (and have been doing so for years since 1997 or thereabouts for many malicious websites/servers) a custom HOSTS file vs. them (along with firewall rules tables (software here usually, as my router rules table is NOT that allowably "big" in my LinkSys/CISCO unit))...

    HOWEVER: You can do it exclusively in better routers out there, or purely by firewalls in software too (because they cover IP addresses whereas HOSTS files do not - however, a good 99% of the attackers use host/domain names, because they are "recyclable" & these 2 botnets in particular, are NOTORIOUS for it (they must have learned a 'trick-or-two' from the RBN (russian business network)).

    I just believe in the concept of "layered security", so I do them all... as layered security is currently the best thing we have going!

    ... * Some "Food-4-Thought" & yes, it really works!

    APK

    P.S.=> Enjoy... apk

  26. I do "stand up 2 'em" & THIS may interest you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2108554&cid=35957832

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, I am pretty much SURE that ANY competent network administrator OR security professional's out there doing the same, for their home systems &/or work systems as well... & if they're NOT? Well, I personally do NOT consider them very competent (as that is a HUGE part of their jobs)... apk

  27. The one thing that I don't understand is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How difficult it is to have large sum of money cross oceans. Seriously. 1000$ would go easy... but 1 000 000$ and you'll be impressed by the sheer amount of red tape required.

    This fraud can't work without a US broker doing the job of converting the money.

    Forget the Chinese shells, go for the US crook.

  28. Re:Want to protect yourselves vs. SpyEye & Zeu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK troll is troll, writes malware, and behave like a 3 year old. Time to go play with your own age APK, we are just not interested in your bullshit.

  29. tomhudson the ac stalker/troller botnet maker! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

    QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544

    AND... IF I am a "malware maker" as you say? I'd have to be the DAMN DUMBEST ON THE PLANET!

    Why? This:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&form=QBRE

    I also created the 1st guide for securing Windows, highly rated @ NEOWIN (as far back as 1998-2001) here:

    http://www.neowin.net/news/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text

    AND, more currently, the MOST viewed & highly rated one there is for years now since 2008 online:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&form=QBRE

    Which has well over 300,000++ views online (actually MORE, but 1 site with 75,000 views of it went offline/out-of-business) & it's been made either:

    ---

    1.) An Essential Guide
    2.) 5-5 star rated
    3.) A "sticky-pinned" thread
    4.) Most viewed in the category it's in (usually security)
    5.) 2.) Got me PAID by winning a contest @ PCPitStop (quite unexpectedly - I was only posting it for the good of all, & yes, "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it even got me PAID -> http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/ (see January 2008))

    ---

    Across 15-20 or so sites I posted it on back in 2008... have YOU done better, troll?

    No, obviously.

    (So much for your attempts @ "discrediting me" with "std. troll disinformation protocol", because it falls apart in the light of FACTS... easily! Just "too, Too, TOO EASILY" in fact!)

    APK

    P.S.=> So much for that, tomhudson... lol! Because YOU, by way of comparison, to myself? ARE A BOTNET MAKER!

    Proof? Ok & again, I'll let tomhudson speak for himself:

    "As I've pointed out elsewhere, it is a trivial exercise to design a C&C that can bypass the whole HOSTS thing" - by tomhudson (43916) on Friday April 01, @11:30AM (#35688796) Homepage Journal

    FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2051634&cid=35688796

    and

    "Do like I did - work for the Russians for a few years" - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday June 28 2010, @11:09AM (#32716798) Homepage Journal

    FROM http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1699526&cid=32716798

    Doing what though? Building botnets?? Evidently so!

    I have ALSO asked to see work you've done, & you show nothing, no proof. I have showed you mine with letters from users this & last month still using wares I wrote nearly 20 yrs. ago that still do the job better than competitors (CCleaner).

    Well - I also blew that away on your "design of your botnet" & showed HOW TOO EASY IT IS TO STOP TOO, which you RAN FROM, here:

    ---

    "SEE TOM RUN:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2084000&cid=35823050

    ---

    Which you ran from... lol!

    I rest my case!

    ... apk

  30. His posts on this have been rated up before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. They're stealing DOLLARS? by Torodung · · Score: 1

    Not to worry. Those dollars are coming right back to you good citizens. As a loan, to pay for our Medicare. It's all part of the circle of incompetence.

  32. Exchange rate by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Speaking of which, would someone who's knowledgeable on the matter care to comment on the Chinese/US exchange rate mechanism?

    I mean, the Chinese can say that "Henceforth the yuan will be worth X". But how can you make people obey that?

    Or does Chinese government just print/destroy money as required to maintain the exchange rate? If so, it's really hard to discern what the difference between that, and the Fed's "quantitative easing" (basically, "printing" money) is.

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  33. Fruad? ... Whose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the iPhone locaiton scam in full gear and the PSN hacked to smitheirinzes ... the FBI is rolling in big dollars!

    To help ... Obama throws a fake ... i.e. fake birth certificate ... actually 2 ... to molify the crowd.

    iPhone users and PSN users. Your credit card are now owned by Barak Hussien Obama II.

    I hope you all enjoy paying for Barak-O-Vision's re-erection.

    Tha tha.

  34. A message from Zeus/SpyEye's sponsors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was THIS unexpected? No! So, without further adieu?? "STRAIGHT OUTTA 'KOWLOON'":

    "APK troll is troll, writes malware" - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27, @07:29PM (#35958632)

    Just what a REAL "malware maker/botnet herder" might say!

    * To try to protect his time & efforts expended on keeping the ZEUS &/or SpyEyE botnet going!

    APK

    P.S.=> Lmao, give me a break - especially vs. my other replies to you, & mostly, this one -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2108554&cid=35958806

    ... apk

  35. Re:Can figure this one out. Quite explicable. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 0

    Mod parent Insightful!

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  36. blah blah by Dainsanefh · · Score: 0

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  37. woohaaa by Dainsanefh · · Score: 0

    woho sdohgasohg

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    1. Re:woohaaa by Dainsanefh · · Score: 0

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