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Playstation To Restore Services This Week

iSimon19 writes with word that after last week's unscheduled service disruption and security breach, "On their blog last night, Playstation representatives announced they were restoring services throughout the week. This also included giving all users a month of Playstation Plus free, as well as select downloads for free with their 'Complimentary Offering and "Welcome Back" Appreciation Program.'"

174 comments

  1. One month is a joke by cheekyboy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Comon sony, a month of free Plus is worth $5

    Bunch of morons.

    I want 1 year free plus, or 1 free legit main game.

    bunch r-tards.

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    1. Re:One month is a joke by socsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That costs them nothing. I want ID theft protection. They hinted at it, but were very vague.

    2. Re:One month is a joke by Dast · · Score: 1

      Fo real! I cancelled my psn account over a month ago when they changed the terms of service. Wrote them and told them I declined the change and they happily cancelled my account. Deleted my profile on the ps3 like they asked and lost all of the content I bought. I was happy cause I thought it would be the end of this BS. And I STILL get a mail the other day saying my info was stolen.

      I'd happily settle for 8 month of some credit monitoring service (had this happen to me when one if my employers lost a laptop with my info, they got a years woth of monitoring for me and it worked out well).

      Anyone kmow where I can get into a class action?

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    3. Re:One month is a joke by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      I think you'd rather want Sony not to mess up in the first place. Be glad they're trying to apologize to everyone by giving you this extra.

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  2. Better by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Better would be some kind of detailed explanation of how the hell this could have happened in the first place, and what they have done to make sure it won't happen again...

    1. Re:Better by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Better would be some kind of detailed explanation of how the hell this could have happened in the first place, and what they have done to make sure it won't happen again...

      The Truth: "We got hacked."

      Care to tell me why you have such an apparent appreciation for PR bullshit? You're certainly not going to get the truth, especially from a public company..

    2. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony probably will never fully reveal the details behind the attack, but based on the tidbits of info circulating online, there are potentially at least three major areas of failure in the PSN security model that may have had to do with the issue:

      1. The security of PSN was dependent upon the security of the PS3 consoles connecting to it. Sony falsely believed the PS3 to be hack-proof.

      2. There was no true separation between the PSN developer network and the "live" network. (Compromise one and you compromise the other.)

      3. Sony was storing personal info, including passwords, in a non-encrypted format on PSN. One PSN was breached it took the attackers little to no additional effort to acquire this information in a readable format.

      If these rumors are true then it seems that PSN was designed with security as an after thought.

    3. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a fucking GAME. It's not the real world, OK?

    4. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rumor has it, there is a large team of pretty well known penetration testers in there beating the crap out of it before they go live.

      Hopefully that helps...

    5. Re:Better by milkmage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      watch the video of the press conference.
      this was a KNOWN vulnerability see @about 1:15 http://youtu.be/LeNR_HHhIGI

      epic failure.
      how do you prevent it? how about patch your shit.

    6. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, I just don't see any way I could feel compensated for this.

      Not because of the breach, not the loss of information, but the virtual silence for a week about the lost information and about what happened. It took them 10 days to notify me of the breach. If I hadn't been a regular user and been checking the blog periodically I may not have known for ten days that personal info was stolen. I just think that and the week they took to finally confirm the breach betrays an incredible level of disrespect for their customers and the people affected and it's just totally sucked out my enthusiasm for the PS3.

      Frankly, I have no particular loyalty to it. none of the games I own except the original Resistance isn't available on XBOX, and the only reason I even picked the PS3 over the XBOX in the first place is because I didn't already have a BRD player and that whole RROD bullshit was going on at the time.

      Interestingly, I've been watching trade-in values on my PS3 on Amazon since Friday. It started out at $200 and is not down to under $171. I wonder if a lot of other people don't feel the same way and are switching or just getting rid of PS3s they maybe didn't use that much already.

      Regardless, I think I'm done. I doubt I'll get rid of it, but I'm not connecting PSN again except to change the password and fill the account info with garbage and I'm not buying new games. I haven't decided yet if I'll get an XBOX, but my wife has been bugging about a Kinect anyway, so I might.

    7. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a fucking GAME. It's not the real world, OK?

      With FUCKING real world consequences, (IDtheftmuch?). Pull your head out of your ass and maybe you won't see reality thru shit-coloured glasses.

    8. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a potentially nasty issue with PSN+, which is that you have to *SIGN UP AND GIVE THEM INFORMATION AGAIN*. (and likely have to manually cancel at the end of the promotion as well or else get auto-billed)

      I thought that this would be obvious to most people, but if you give your new information, you're potentially vulnerable again. This is, of course, the same as saving your information with Amazon or any other online site. In general, it's a bad idea to store your complete personal information with any online site.

      Myself, I'll stay off of PSN+ for now and just play my games.

    9. Re:Better by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      and those possible 77million credit card numbers are nothing too

    10. Re:Better by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      A game company that tried to inhibit Free Speech on a fundamental level. It may be games to you but some of us take that VERY seriously. Football is just a game too, sonnny

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    11. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #1 of the intarwebs, Don't piss off anonymous. Sony did just that.

    12. Re:Better by antdude · · Score: 1

      Is there a raw recording of this press conference?

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    13. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen informal statements online from people claiming to work for Sony that for years everyone inside the company who learn how online security worked for the the PS3 said something to the effect of "Wait, what?! I REALLY hope the firmware never gets hacked." They also blame Japanese management style for it never getting fixed.

      Obviously that's not a very reliable source, but it fits the circumstances, at least: a fundamental flaw that requires changing basic assumptions would bring the system down for days, at least.

  3. it started with sony removing other os by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    it started with sony removing other os

    1. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop beating the dead horse.

    2. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Has Sony actually confirmed that this has anything to do with hacked consoles at all, I've only heard that as a rumor that was convenient for Sony.

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    3. Re:it started with sony removing other os by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      How the hell is this insightful? Unless of course you did the hack.

      Until they catch whoever did it, it's really sloppy and premature to assume it was for OtherOS. It was probably for the money.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    4. Re:it started with sony removing other os by headbulb · · Score: 1

      If the dead horse stops wanting to be beaten then the dead horse should stop being relevant.

    5. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame the victim. Yes, Sony was wrong for doing it. However, that doesn't give someone a free pass for breaking into their systems. If you want to argue that it was a catalyst that's fine, but don't try to argue that it was justified.

    6. Re:it started with sony removing other os by DrXym · · Score: 1

      You think anything over the last 2 weeks is remotely convenient for Sony? The company's reputation is fucked at the moment.

    7. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Computershack · · Score: 1

      It stopped being relevant ages ago when Gnome and KDE desktops needed more than the RAM available for OtherOS. I doubt you want to call running Linux on 256MB RAM with framebuffer graphics an enjoyable experience.

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    8. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corpses don't want anything. They're dead.

    9. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Sony fucked their reputation long ago, this just removed the last area of credibility they had...

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    10. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Actually it is a fairly reasonable (though at this point unsubstantiated) assumption. The PS3 went without hack, crack, or compromise until they removed Other OS then within a short period of time has been completely compromised and that would have potentially opened a door on to the network.

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    11. Re:it started with sony removing other os by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sony is now an infamous international criminal. They are guilty of several million counts of computer intrusion (any one of which would likely get a person locked up for several years) and they committed mass theft/fraud (depending on how you want to look at it). If any natural citizen did all of that, he'd be put UNDER the jail. Since the "justice" system has proven to be a complete failure in this matter, it's entirely expected that vigilante justice will fill the vacuum.

      There are two great dangers to vigilante justice. One is that it may act without adequately establishing guilt. That's not in play here, Sony doesn't even deny the root kits and they seem almost proud of stealing otherOS away from people who paid for it. The other is that it can hand down a punishment much larger than the crime. Sony's crimes are fairly large and they haven't suffered very much, so that doesn't seem to be in play either.

      However, in this case, it looks more like credit card fraudsters paid someone to grab those 70-something million records and the rest is just collateral damage. In that case, it's all those 70 million people I feel for, not Sony.

    12. Re:it started with sony removing other os by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Your opinion is irrelevant. It wasnt Sony's call to remove it and was in fact a violation of law. unfortunately the US consumer protections suck and so they'll get away with it. I didnt really care all that much about the whole thing until Sony went after the First Amendment (squelching Geohot and others for reverse engineering for compatibility) . Now the gloves are off.

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    13. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should read the DMCA. I'm not saying its a good law (it's terrible), but First Amendment, really?

    14. Re:it started with sony removing other os by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Depends on your interpretation of the first amendment.

      If you take a literal interpretation, the DMCA itself runs counter to the first amendment. (The other question is, does the first amendment override the copyright clause?)

    15. Re:it started with sony removing other os by DeeZee · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you should vote with your wallet, and buy a Wii :)

    16. Re:it started with sony removing other os by luther349 · · Score: 1

      thats like saying you shoulda have voted for the other guy when elections where last year.

    17. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of them want BRAAAIIIINS!

    18. Re:it started with sony removing other os by sjames · · Score: 2

      I already vote with my wallet. I have bought no Sony products at all in years.

    19. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Noitatsidem · · Score: 1

      There's always gui-distros like ArchBang that are on the light side, and even lighter if you configure them right. 256MB of ram is usable, might not be exactly compelling, but none of what you've said is a good defense for the removal of OtherOS. That being said, I don't own a PS3, don't particularly care about them, and certainly don't want one.

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    20. Re:it started with sony removing other os by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The First Amendment must, by legal convention, trump the copyright clause. Why? Because it came after. If there is anything in conflict, the newest law wins.

      However, you can also assume that if there exists an interpretation that allows the copyright clause to stand in full force coexisting with the First Amendment, that will be taken. But if there were any spine in the Supreme Court, they'd have declared most of current copyright law illegal, both pre and post DMCA. It isn't "limited time" anymore (I mean Common Law would dictate that 99 years is infinity, based on English practices, and we are at or past that now, even if you don't count the moving bar making it forever, even if only 30 years at a time), and if the purpose of the law isn't to "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" then the law is unconstitutional. And from what I can see about the laws, none of the ones passed since 1928 meet that condition.

    21. Re:it started with sony removing other os by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Can you smell what the Rock is cookin'?

      Because it's the post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc fallacy.

      It's not reasonable because none of the specifics about this case would support that notion. Blackhats don't give a shit one way or the other.

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    22. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      I don't think you quite understand the effort/reward balance here. Sony's console wasn't even a target until Other OS was removed, there was no real effort to crack it and it has since become obvious that it's protection had several very significant issues and would likely have been broken before if anyone cared. When a blackhat is trying to decide what to target a console that requires almost bottom up work is very low on the list especially since there is relatively limited pool of possible reward.

      When that work was made almost trivial, especially with the developer hack that was released, then it becomes one of the low hanging fruit that the blackhats will try to pick. The fact that it seems like Sony didn't/doesn't know HOW they got in just makes it that much worse.

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    23. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony makes it clear that in order to connect to PSN your firmware must be up to date; I can't really argue against theft/fraud, but intrusion is a bit of a reach.

      As for vigilante justice, how does one determine when the perpetrator has suffered enough, and who determines it? Vigilante justice is not justice.

      I never said I felt sorry for Sony; all I said was that they were the victim of an attack and it was not justified. Even if no information had been stolen, service is still being disrupted for millions of customers. Because this is not a critical service like power or phone nobody is making too big a deal of it; it is merely an inconvenience. Still, if some company you do business with did something I didn't like and I disrupted service for you, somehow I don't think you would be all high-and-mighty on vigilante justice.

      More pragmatically, nothing is going to come of this and you know it. It's just a (relatively) short embarrassment for Sony, and once service is restored things will get back to business as usual after a while. The only lesson anyone has learned from this whole episode is that it was a bad idea for Sony to offer Other OS in the first place and no company is ever going to make that mistake again.

    24. Re:it started with sony removing other os by sjames · · Score: 1

      The intrusion refers to the trojan rootkits they sent out to millions a few years ago and never paid a criminal penalty for.

      I am well aware of the dangers of vigilante justice and would FAR prefer that the actual justice system would take actual appropriate action against Sony for their infamous crimes. To approximate the penalty an actual human being would have gotten, they should give up all profits and all right to any trade secret for 5-10 years AND they should be overseen by government officials in all business matters for that time period. Given that, even if this hack was meant to be justice rather than credit card fraud, it wouldn't even approach what they SHOULD get.

      Vigilante justice is far from perfect, but it IS, at east in somes cases, a form of justice. In a sense, our entire government and justice system is just the formalization of common law which is a formalization of vigilante law.

      As I said, I have sympathy for the 70 millionm, but not the slightest bit for Sony.

    25. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is that the ends justifies the means, that disrupting service for millions of people is an acceptable side affect of "punishing" (LOL) a corporation for slighting a comparatively minor group of people? Do you have any other psychopathic tendencies I should be aware of?

    26. Re:it started with sony removing other os by sjames · · Score: 1

      Wow, no reading comprehension whatsoever! I said my sympathies are with the 77million and NOT with Sony. I also said I believe the hack was more about credit card fraud than about justice of any kind.

      I ALSO said that vigilante justice against Sony wouldn't be surprising and that it might be justifiable but that I would prefer for the justice system to actually do it's job.

      I also pointed out that the justice system is simply a formalization of vigilante justice. It's advantage lies in due process and measured response.

      So, besides a tendency to jump to conclusions and a lack of reading skills, do you have any other issues that I should be aware of?

    27. Re:it started with sony removing other os by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Actually, none of the evidence shows that this was a console based hack.

      Unfortunately not a lot of information came out, but the bit of information that Sony has released has nearly confirmed that this wasn't a console based hack.

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    28. Re:it started with sony removing other os by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Especially now that they're saying the PSN attack was actually the second attack so I'm pretty much ready to concede the point.

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  4. That Free Month by chemindefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will be paid for by a random credit card number.

  5. I used to be irritated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....by cheaters and trolls on free online multiplayers but compared to all the bureaucracy and hassles and risks of PSN and equivalent networks, the jungle of free games comes up better in the end.
    1. fire up game
    2. choose nick and server
    3. Enjoy a quick game where the most skilled prevail (not those who have invested more money/time).

  6. Blog comments by hipp5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone else have a hard time believing the majority of the comments on the blog post are real? They're all along the lines of, "Hallelujah, Sony is wonderful for getting the service back up!!!!!!!" Or are people so desperate to go back to playing CoD multiplayer that they're willing to take any sandpaper-wrapped anal raping that Sony will give them?

    1. Re:Blog comments by koolfy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never underestimate the stupidity of fanboys in great number.

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    2. Re:Blog comments by madsci1016 · · Score: 1

      What do you expect? It's all the Sony Kool-Aid drinkers.

    3. Re:Blog comments by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Informative

      any comments to the contrary get deleted and banned.

      it's a lot like free republic but with more teabagging

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    4. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very true, and they've been disabling some accounts. Mine is blocked now. I was critical, not rude at all, now I cannot log on.

    5. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah really. Look at the unbridled anger that comes from gamers when WOW goes down for a few hours. Gamers are on a hair trigger when it comes to outrage. Given sony's past of making fake fan blogs it wouldn't surprise me that a good number of those comments are fake, or at least heavily filtered. You'd expect to see at least a few people saying 'That's not good enough! My credit card info was leaked!'

    6. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is interesting, as all "normal" PSN logins used for commenting on that blog expired last week. The cooking keeping them "logged in" to the blog had a 1 week expiration. I guess that only leaves Sony employees to be able to actually log in and comment.

    7. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, those are normal people who bought their games. Envy?

    8. Re:Blog comments by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      are people so desperate to go back to playing CoD multiplayer that they're willing to take any sandpaper-wrapped anal raping that Sony will give them?

      Yes, there are such people in the world. Did you even have to ask?

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    9. Re:Blog comments by Tihstae · · Score: 1

      You need to login to the Playstation Network to post. Besides Sony employees, tell me who can login to the Playstation Network.

      Note: First sentence may not be totally accurate.

    10. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a PS3/PSN user (though I have never put my CC into any game console), I am glad to see service will be restored in short order.

      However, I am not placated by this token offering. If it had ONLY been a service outage, a free month of PSN+ would be a great gesture to make up for it. Sadly, this wasn't just an outage, it was a security breach in which user data was completely compromised. Free goodies on PSN are useless to anyone who has to deal with identity theft as a result of this incident.

      What I want from Sony:

      1. Full liability if users suffer consequences as a result of their weak security model. It was obvious that protecting the privacy and personal information of their users was a complete afterthought on their part, and they should be held fully responsible for this.

      2. Going forward, they need to make security of personal information the top priority on their network. Period.

    11. Re:Blog comments by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      If "we" had the time and resources, someone could do a stealth op and determine if those user names existed before yesterday. However, don't discount the other alternative, "threatened censorship". In that case the only comments that would make it through are the ones you see.

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    12. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Never underestimate a PR agent with multi-user access.

    13. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can't possibly be real. You have to login to the playstation network to comment on Sony's press release post. Can you guess what's impossible to do right now?

    14. Re:Blog comments by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      I don't have a hard time believing they're real. If you look outside of the group of individuals who post on slashdot, Sony has quite a large number of relatively happy customers who want to use the ps3 they bought (or that their parents bought for them). I'm not trying to say anything for or against Sony here, but why in the world would someone who paid a large sum of money for a ps3 not want to be able to use one of the most important features?

    15. Re:Blog comments by SailorSpork · · Score: 5, Informative

      OF COURSE they are fake. Try to log in and post for yourself. You try and it says "Sign in here with your PlayStation®Network ID to interact with the community and participate in the conversations." I tried and got a note saying "Site Maintenance Notice. The server is currently down for maintenance." It's the same system tied to the PSN servers that are out. Meaning these comments are being crafted by their PR and Marketing departments, as well as (possibly) other normal Sony employees and developers.

    16. Re:Blog comments by tepples · · Score: 1

      why in the world would someone who paid a large sum of money for a ps3 not want to be able to use one of the most important features?

      Which is exactly why the PS3 was hacked in the first place: to restore the Other OS feature to people who paid for it.

    17. Re:Blog comments by tao · · Score: 1

      You know, much as I begrudge Sony for the removal of Other OS, it would be a gross misrepresentation of reality to call Other OS "one of the most important features" (at least without qualifying it with "for a small minority").

    18. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, this are one my favorites:

      "im just happy that its coming back on they dont need to give me anything but it is a cool bonus" (of course not, is not like it was their fault that the service was down...oh wait)

      "the press conference only took about 24 minutesvery informative. I think people will begin to understand how important it is to have Government agency’s involvement in catching these idiots. Pretty soon everybody will be BACK online. Let’s go Sonylet’s go!!!" (...?)

    19. Re:Blog comments by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Well it's kinda like how there are people who will equate wanting to play games online with getting raped.

      Takes all kinds of jackasses to make up a world, son.

    20. Re:Blog comments by whiteboy86 · · Score: 1

      The core player will stick with the best platform, no matter what... I imagine it is hard to derail them until some worthy competitor to "PlayStation" arises, but given the state of things (Xbox aside), this is very unlikely.

    21. Re:Blog comments by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anyone else have a hard time believing the majority of the comments on the blog post are real? They're all along the lines of, "Hallelujah, Sony is wonderful for getting the service back up!!!!!!!

      When a system is brought down, people blame the mischief and malice of the hacker and the culture they believe supports and sustains him.

      Whenever the geek summons the masses to the barricades he will far more often than not find them aligned with the other side.

      There are 70 million PSN accounts.

      What would that make it? 35 times the size of Slashdot?

    22. Re:Blog comments by Verunks · · Score: 2

      It is interesting, as all "normal" PSN logins used for commenting on that blog expired last week. The cooking keeping them "logged in" to the blog had a 1 week expiration. I guess that only leaves Sony employees to be able to actually log in and comment.

      wrong, that's the eu playstation blog and as you can see there is no comment there http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/05/01/some-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/
      the us version probably has a longer expiration date or maybe they don't expire at all, also sony itself warned about the cookie expiration ONLY on the eu blog http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/04/28/issue-with-leaving-comments/

    23. Re:Blog comments by Captain+Chaos · · Score: 1

      You can't log on because the PSN is still down and the blog uses a PSN account. Once the PSN login server is brought back online, you'll know if you really were disabled, but right now nobody can log on unless they still had a valid cookie.

    24. Re:Blog comments by H0p313ss · · Score: 2

      Maybe you shouldn't have been a fuck-tard asshat?

      Irony?

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    25. Re:Blog comments by tequila_j · · Score: 1
    26. Re:Blog comments by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

      If you post on blog.us.playstation.com your likely giving Sony oral sex on a regular basis so what isn't a bunch of bots posting positive comments are idiots with no real understanding of the issue

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    27. Re:Blog comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This intrigued me so I did a bit of research hoping to get some dirt on Sony.

      I've Googled many of the posters and mostly they have quite a history on the internet, this includes some of the posters setting up their own gaming websites, posting in other gaming forums, Facebook pages, etc. Seeing this, I don't think Sony would go to such lengths to create fake profiles. I can't see any evidence that these people are employed by Sony.

      So I think all the comments are genuine. The reason why they're all glowing is because people that were logged in when PSN went down would generally be diehard fans of PlayStation and are more likely to more forgiving.

    28. Re:Blog comments by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      The overwhelming majority of people will follow the perceived authority and will viciously attack anyone seen as undermining said authority, especially if said people are dependent on that authority for sustenance of some sort (money, food, shelter, ego, stress management, etc...) Right, wrong, justice, morals, ethics...none of that really matters, as people usually defer those determinations to authority. The authority does it; it's OK. ...good, ol' bread and circuses. But, yes, I have little doubt that theirs at least a little astroturf to give the herd a direction to run in.

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    29. Re:Blog comments by benhattman · · Score: 1

      it's a lot like free republic but with more teabagging

      Maybe you're from someplace other than the states then...?

    30. Re:Blog comments by skywiseguy · · Score: 1

      sony did this once before, with a fake movie reviewer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4741259.stm

    31. Re:Blog comments by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Well, I for one will be happy to get Netflix streaming back. That's been offline since PSN went down. I'm not so much "hallelujah Sony" as "about frakking time," though.

  7. Some more details... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the press conference:

    The web server was cracked through a known exploit - in other words, it wasn't patched.
    Passwords were NOT encrypted.
    The credit card data WAS accessed. It was encrypted, and the crackers MIGHT not be able to use it.

    1. Re:Some more details... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      According to engadget the password data wa hashed.

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    2. Re:Some more details... by xero314 · · Score: 2

      Passwords were NOT encrypted.

      From the article you linked: "That same reporter asked if passwords were encrypted. I believe (translation not being perfect) that Hirai said they were not."

      This is clearly fear mongering. The writer admits that they are not sure what Hirai said. Plus saying that they were not encrypted would actually be accurate if the passwords were stored correctly. Encryption implies the ability to decrypt. Password should be stored as a one way Hash, not encrypted. There is quit likely just some misunderstanding of the reporters part.

      The credit card data WAS accessed.

      From the article you linked: "Nikkei just asked if all 10 million credit cards got out. Hirai said "we can't rule out the possibility" that credit card info was compromised" Again, there was no statement that the Credit Card data was accessed. It has been stated that there was no proof that it was accessed. Now that might just mean that they have poor logging on the access of that data, but that in itself is in no way a statement saying that credit card data was accessed.

    3. Re:Some more details... by GPLHost-Thomas · · Score: 1

      Plus saying that they were not encrypted would actually be accurate if the passwords were stored correctly. Encryption implies the ability to decrypt. Password should be stored as a one way Hash, not encrypted. There is quit likely just some misunderstanding of the reporters part.

      Do you *seriously* expect any random reporter to understand the difference between encryption and hashing? :)

    4. Re:Some more details... by xero314 · · Score: 1

      Do you *seriously* expect any random reporter to understand the difference between encryption and hashing? :)

      No I would not expect a random reported to understand that, hence why the reported said "I believe (translation not being perfect) that Hirai said they were not." He clearly didn't understand what Hirai said, which could have very well been, "the passwords were stored with a one way Hash" and the reported never heard the japanese word for "encrypted."

    5. Re:Some more details... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Do you *seriously* expect any random reporter to understand the difference between encryption and hashing? :)

      It seems he got it right, they *weren't* encrypted, however they *were* hashed.
      3:01 JST: Sony decided to correct an earlier statement, saying that PSN passwords were not encrypted but rather hashed.

    6. Re:Some more details... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you may not take Sony's own word at their press conference that the credit card data was exposed, so how about this article. Maybe you have more faith in that source.

  8. Token offering by grilled-cheese · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not going to go back to the PSN until Sony gives me a year of credit monitoring and the ability to sue them (not that I would, but thank you SCOTUS).

    1. Re:Token offering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They actually were recently sued for not protecting data properly. However, im just happy the services are returning and we are receiving some compensation

    2. Re:Token offering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to say that they offered a year's worth of credit monitoring in the email that they sent out but apparently not.
      From the email:

      To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we
      encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and
      to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the following information
      for those who wish to consider it:
      - U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit report annually
      from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order your free credit report,
      visit www.annualcreditreport.com or call toll-free (877) 322-8228.

    3. Re:Token offering by Khyber · · Score: 1

      A class-action of the people against SCOTUS would be interesting, as a challenge of the constitutionality of the ruling.

      Of course, that would mean another court would have to be established - perhaps one actually comprised of the people, one that works for the people.

      Yea, that's a pipe dream.

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    4. Re:Token offering by nobodyman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed - they totally screwed over their entire user base and as a consolation prize they are offering more of the same. In fact, I bet that acceptance of this "Complimentary Offering" is contingent upon agreeing to not sue Sony or take part in any class-action lawsuit.

    5. Re:Token offering by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      So this court upon which you will conferring the power to review the Supreme Court is going to be directly elected and fairly frequently I take it?

      Want to guess what happens to judicial precedent when frustrated voters who don't know anything other than they are frustrated toss out one party and vote in the other each election cycle? Can we at least make the terms like five years or something so we can just know that for even numbered decades abortion and weed are legal, the second and tenth amendments are void, the first amendment is absolute and for odd numbered decades the reverse. That will just make things easier.

      Thanks

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    6. Re:Token offering by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh please, both parties ride the drug war hobby horse, and both parties love restricting the first ammendment.

    7. Re:Token offering by Araxen · · Score: 1

      There was a lawsuit filed against Sony just last week.

      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384523,00.asp

      We'll see how the SCOTUS ruling comes into play here no doubt.

    8. Re:Token offering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please, both parties ride the drug war hobby horse, and both parties love restricting the first ammendment.

      The 'both' part being a large part of the problem. They present 2 nice big easy targets for subversion.

    9. Re:Token offering by lennier · · Score: 1

      Oh please, both parties ride the drug war hobby horse, and both parties love restricting the first ammendment.

      So... if both major political parties are in favour of a certain position, and they're doing it to win votes... that would suggest that that political position is, in fact, strongly endorsed by the majority of voters.

      In other words, democracy is working precisely as designed, delivering laws that the majority of citizens want... but you think this is broken because it doesn't give you the laws that you, a minority, want. But you think that because you're a special snowflake, your will should override everyone else's. And because it doesn't, you're unhappy.

      Remind me again why a correctly functioning political system which the majority of citizens endorse is a bad thing?

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    10. Re:Token offering by lennier · · Score: 1

      The 'both' part being a large part of the problem.

      You're assuming that a majority of citizens holding a political position with which you disagree - and their representatives recognising and implementing their will - is in fact a "problem" in the first place.

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    11. Re:Token offering by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Just because something is popular doesn't make it right. There have been all manner of attrocities that were approved of by the majorty of society at the time.

  9. Once again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCK SONY!

    Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

    (damm shame the fallout is going to hit the customers of sony instead of sony itself... but hey.. that's the risk you take being a customer to one of the most dickish companies on the planet.)

    1. Re:Once again. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      But... it didn't really happen to sony. It happened to their customers....

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  10. PS4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two outcomes.

    People remember, they ignore the fact that the PS3 had no games for a long time after its expensive launch. They remember how Sony treated their consumer base like shit. Sony's litigiousness and actions with GeoHot et al.

    People forget, fork over $800 so they can play MGS5.

    The latter is the most likely yet suicide inducing. The former would be ideal. Also Konami decides to pick up the Playstation brand, they develop PS4 and do everything better than Sony.

  11. PSN+ is a double edged sword by TerminaMorte · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can download some games for free, but you must remain a PSN+ member to keep playing those games. So in reality they're offering you a free month of a service they expect you to keep paying for. Would be much more impressed with a year of free PSN+

  12. A Head for Chopping by Tihstae · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the Blog Post: "The company is also creating the position of Chief Information Security Officer"

    Translation: During this difficult time, we have discovered that we have no security on our network and no one to blame for this. We will now have someone to blame and publicly humiliate when (not if) this happens again.

    1. Re: A Head for Chopping by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And next month (when this all happens again):

      Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

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    2. Re: A Head for Chopping by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Moosebites can be pretty nasty.

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  13. Same deal as back with the CD-Trojans? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hand the plebs a few trinkets and beads and hope they forget quickly how we compromised their privacy and opened the huge can of worms for them.

    Gee, Sony, a bit more innovation! Especially since this can is heaps bigger than the last one!

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  14. Wakeup call US? by mrcvp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When is the US consumer ever going to learn that the credit card is one of the worst inventions ever! Of course it's Sony's fault but you are using a broken system. Make direct online banking the standard, not some insanely insecure card or some horrible third-party service like paypal. Here in The Netherlands we Have iDeal We need to get to such a system on a global scale. The tech is there and it's more secure, so what the hell are they waiting for.

    1. Re:Wakeup call US? by Legal.Troll · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because making random online purchases directly from your bank account with your own cash is MUCH safer than making purchases using the cash of a credit card company who can only BILL you for purchases you've allegedly made. Great comment!

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    2. Re:Wakeup call US? by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      iDeal is a third party system. It's run by a corporation called Currence b.v. And it's the same one factor security used by every other system.

      Now there is some advantage in that the authentication is done by the bank rather than the retailer, so the information is only in one place, but the bank can still be hacked. It also seems it would be vulnerable to man in the middle attacks.

      What we really need is some sort of two factor security. One thing that happened to me recently was a system Verizon used when I had to retrieve my account password from them. They called my on record phone number and provided me a code I had to type into the website to get the password.

      What if instead of the CVV2, every transcation had to be confirmed by a one time code provided via a second channel (like the phone).

    3. Re:Wakeup call US? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Make direct online banking the standard

      And do what for payments in person?

      Here in The Netherlands we Have iDeal

      How is the iDEAL payment flow noticeably different from that of PayPal, which you call "horrible", other than that iDEAL is branded by the bank and not eBay?

    4. Re:Wakeup call US? by cpct0 · · Score: 1

      Mmm, well, there is the PCI standard that's supposed to protect you against such things, disallowing ANY kind of credit card number keeping. I guess Sony weren't PCI compliant, and I guess this is why they are being checked by all these groups, because such thing should've never happened, at least for the CC#. I know, I had to go through that test last year, and it's quite secure.

      For the account info, that's something else, they screwed up and that's it. Let me guess, their passwords were sent through a SHA-1 or some other crappy password verifier. :)

    5. Re:Wakeup call US? by mrcvp · · Score: 1

      How is the iDEAL payment flow noticeably different from that of PayPal, which you call "horrible", other than that iDEAL is branded by the bank and not eBay?

      With iDEAL you click on buy on your chosen website you come to the main login of your bank you use a username ( 8 random letter number combination) and a chosen password (min.8 letters + number) you then get a screen with a code. you have a little device yourself you put your debit card in you then enter a given code and it will give you the correct response for that given code at that given time. And if you remember the Wikileaks payment issues, paypal could just shut it off completely regardless if the bank cared about it or not. a service like iDEAL would not do that and let the bank decide for itself. As for direct payments in person that would need time and investment to change but it is still completely technically possible and more secure

    6. Re:Wakeup call US? by benito27uk · · Score: 1

      PCI DSS does allow the PAN to be stored, but it must be stored encrypted. The sensitive authenticastion data - mag stripe data/ cvv2 and pin cannot be kept.

    7. Re:Wakeup call US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmm, well, there is the PCI standard that's supposed to protect you against such things, disallowing ANY kind of credit card number keeping. I guess Sony weren't PCI compliant, and I guess this is why they are being checked by all these groups, because such thing should've never happened, at least for the CC#. I know, I had to go through that test last year, and it's quite secure.

      For the account info, that's something else, they screwed up and that's it. Let me guess, their passwords were sent through a SHA-1 or some other crappy password verifier. :)

      Having actually performed a PCI 'audit' for a large multi-national retailer, I can say with some confidence that PCI audits are more about creating a paper trail that says 'we did our part to keep your data secure' rather than actually keeping your data secure. i.e 'Cover our asses not yours'

      True security _begins_ by fostering a culture that includes actually treating customers and their information with respect rather than as a simple commodities to be bought and sold. Lots of business say they treat your details with respect but almost none really do -- it's just standard PR BS.

      Personally I never give any real info to any business as it's just asking for problems due to the profit motive. While it may be a bit more work to maintain multiple facades it is certainly less painful than getting my true identity stolen.

      Frankly to expect anything better than the behavior Sony has exhibited is a bit naive.

    8. Re:Wakeup call US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The PCI standard states that the Primary Account Number (card number) can be stored but it must be encrypted, hashed or truncated. It seems to be the rest of the PCI standard that they have got wrong.

      Sony should publish a document (similar to what amazon have done) explaining in detail what happened and what was implemented to prevent future occurrences. The most concerning aspect with Sony, going by their communication, is that they do not seem to have an understanding of what has gone wrong.

  15. Please hash the passwords next time. by Vandil+X · · Score: 1

    The only card I used with PSN was one that is now expired and from a closed account.

    This incident, however, ensures I use PSN points cards for any future PSN purchases.

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    1. Re:Please hash the passwords next time. by xero314 · · Score: 1

      Please hash the passwords next time.

      Have you seen any reputable resource verifying that the passwords were not hashed?

      Beyond that, hashing the passwords means very little. When you have 70 million passwords and the right software and password tables, you will be able to determine a very large portion of those passwords in a very short period of time. Hashing merely keeps the honest person honest, it does not secure the password.

  16. It only does... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free Kool-aid?

  17. Complimentary Offering? by One+Louder · · Score: 1

    So...um...to get the "free" Playstation Plus and "Complimentary Offering", would I have to give them my credit card number?

  18. Re:Hand the plebs a few trinkets by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Heh I called it (as one of many) in a post in the other thread a few days back. Now we're just waiting for Sony's total immunity from the lawsuit.

    Geohot unlocks the hardware code? "Destroy his credibility!".
    Sony leaves open millions of credit cards? "Have a free month of service!"

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  19. compensation for PSP owners too? by Vectormatic · · Score: 2

    I dont own a PS3, but my psp is unable to log into the PSN facilities too, which sort of annoyes me (or in case of the PGP-GO owners, completely blocks them from buying new games at all)

    I wonder if us PSP owners will also recieve some compensation for the loss of service, and worse, the leaking of our private information

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    1. Re:compensation for PSP owners too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      psp and psp go uses the same psn as ps3 so why wouldn't it?

    2. Re:compensation for PSP owners too? by luther349 · · Score: 1

      yea those 3 psp go owners must be relly angry. acully thers no few psp go owners and users of psn on the psp side of things i didnt hear mutch complaning at all abought it on the psp fourms.

    3. Re:compensation for PSP owners too? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      I can't see why not. I'm sure you'll get the same free PS3 downloadable game that every other PSN user will get.

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    4. Re:compensation for PSP owners too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment's punctuation, spelling and grammar have scortched my eyes from their very sockets!

  20. No Thanks by WarpedCore · · Score: 1

    The PSN+ month free offer is worst than a them offering customers a gift card. It comes as absolutely no loss to Sony offering this because it's just a way to ensure and wrap more people into their revenue stream. I liken the move to something more of a casino comp in that they'll lure you in with a shitty buffet so you can piss away more of your money on some false hope.
    I'll pass on their token gesture, scripted apology, and boneheaded-ness of connecting with the customer.

  21. bell curve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never underestimate the stupidity of fanboys in great number.

    More accurately: never underestimate the left-hand side of the bell curve. It tends to explain a lot of things in the general population's behavior.

  22. In theory, such a court exists. But in practice... by tepples · · Score: 1

    that would mean another court would have to be established - perhaps one actually comprised of the people, one that works for the people.

    Such a court exists in theory; it's called the ballot box. Three-fourths of state legislatures can call conventions and propose and ratify an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. However, due to MPAA-owned news networks' influence on public perception of candidates in debates, especially at the primary level, elections are just as corrupt as every other branch of government.

  23. Netflix by tepples · · Score: 0

    you must remain a PSN+ member to keep playing those games.

    Which differs from the business model of Netflix in exactly what way?

    1. Re:Netflix by TerminaMorte · · Score: 1

      None, which is my point. As a gesture of good-will it isn't much. Would you accept a free month of netflix if they had gotten all their customers CC info stolen? Probably not, since it's next to worthless.

    2. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix doesn't give their month free as an apology, they give it to you as a marketing gimmick. It's a bit insulting really. Like finding a rat tail in a burger, and the restaurant giving you a 'free drink with sandwich purchase' coupon as an apology -and- making you pay for the first sandwich.

    3. Re:Netflix by MimeticLie · · Score: 1

      What do you have against Netflix? Your comment and sig are both quite critical, seemingly apropos of nothing. We're not talking about the merit of services which you have to keep paying in order to use (you could have also mentioned Rhaposdy or World of Warcraft or a number of other things), we're talking about whether a short credit for one of those services is good compensation for an outage and breach like this.

      GP's criticism is valid, I think. Hell, since you brought up Netflix, don't they give 1 month free trials? And Microsoft gives 1 month trials of Xbox Live with game purchases. 1 month of PSN+ is worth fuck all.

    4. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Including the special features, you could probably experience every minute of material on a movie DVD in a day or two. Or, if you wanted to watch a whole season of a TV series, you could watch an episode or two per day and be done within a month.

      Whether its with via a long single-player campaign, addictive multiplayer options, or unlockables/achievements, I'd expect a game to keep me entertained with at least more than a month of gameplay.

    5. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix didn't have their shit hacked in the first place, risking your credit card and enough info for someone to steal your identity.

  24. It started way before that by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The OP is modded flamebait, but he's actually posting a VERY relevant point. Sony is a shady company with a repeated history of bad decisions and anti-customer practices. There is a very easy way to avoid these types of things: Stop paying Sony to spit on you!

    Actually, it started with me when my Sony home theater system broke. I sent it to them, they kept it for over SIX weeks, and when they sent it back, it was STILL broken the same damn way it was when I sent it to them to start with, but with a nasty scratch down the left side. So I sent it back again, and after several more weeks, it finally arrived, this time actually fixed. Or so I thought. A few months later, just after the one-year warranty period expired, it broke yet again. I called Sony, and they refused to fix it again without me paying for repairs, even though they had the thing in their possession over two of the twelve months of the warranty period. Instead, I took the damn thing to a recycling center.

    A few months after that, my PS2 broke. It was well out of warranty, around five years old. I don't know what the useful life of a PS2 is supposed to be, but I'd hope it's more than five years. Under normal circumstances, I'd normally chalk it up to crappy luck and not be too mad about it, but since I'd just been through my home theater system ordeal, yeah, it really pissed me off. (That's mad, not drunk, for you Brits.)

    Then the root kit fiasco hit shortly after that. Then my computer's Sony DVD burner stopped working. By this time, I had sworn off all Sony products. I think I remember an article hitting Slashdot around that time frame about Sony USB drives being infected as shipped from the factory. Then there was the Blu-ray shenanigans. Then there was the Other OS thing. Then the GeoHot lawsuit.

    So yeah, the PSN thing didn't affect me at all. I'm convinced that it happened because of Sony's lax security practices, and it couldn't have happened to a scummier company. Personally, I think that any Slashdot reader who was affected by this is a damn fool and practically deserved it. I've told all of my friends and family about Sony, and most of them avoid the company, too.

    My suggestion to everyone here is to stop accepting being butt raped by this company. Don't just post here about how sad/amused/mad/whatever you are, help spread the word. Post these headlines on your social network. If you're reading Slashdot, your geek cred is probably pretty high in your family and circle of friends, TELL people to avoid Sony. Only by putting them out of business once and for all, or impacting them enough to make them make significant changes, will they ever shape up or ship out.

    1. Re:It started way before that by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Most people like the Playstation because it's superior to the other gaming platforms. I don't think your butthurt story about a home theater you might have done well to return to the point of sale is going to change their minds.

    2. Re:It started way before that by Spewns · · Score: 1

      Most people like the Playstation because it's superior to the other gaming platforms.

      It's so superior, its Network goes down for weeks at a time while it and your credit card information are compromised!

    3. Re:It started way before that by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why is it that slashdotters hate MSFT with the fire of a thousand suns - except Xbox. In that case, Microsoft are the good guys?

    4. Re:It started way before that by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Why is it that slashdotters hate MSFT with the fire of a thousand suns - except Xbox. In that case, Microsoft are the good guys?

      Maybe because not everyone on Slashdot holds the same opinions, and different situations prompt different users to speak their mind about Microsoft?

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    5. Re:It started way before that by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

      Ok to be fair the only real story hear is the compromised security. This is the first down time since it came up that I know of and I seem to remember this happening to the 360 some time around the first two years of its existence. I could care less about the down time. I want to know what type of useless security allowed the security questions and answers to be stolen. That is the type of stuff you store in one way encryption.

      I would like a little more clarity on the issue as I have had to create all new answers to the stupid non secure questions like What City were you born for all accounts that have any association with my e-mail account associated with my log on id.

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    6. Re:It started way before that by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Why is it that slashdotters hate MSFT with the fire of a thousand suns - except Xbox. In that case, Microsoft are the good guys?

      who are these 'slashdotters'? are they everyone except you?
      wrt msft hate and xbox i guess it's because MS are such a big company, in some markets the different divisions act as though they are a completely different company. The xbox is far from perfect but ms do seem to treat their xbox customers better than sony treat their playstation customers.

    7. Re:It started way before that by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Playstation because it's superior to the other gaming platforms

      - The PS1 platform was slower and less capable than the N64 or Saturn or Dreamcast.
      - The PS2 platform was slower and less capable than the Xbox or Gamecube.
      - The PS3 platform is slower and less capable than the X360.
      You might want to retract your statement since it's flat wrong.

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  25. USB malware by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    Here is the info about the USB incident I mentioned above. It wasn't a virus, it was another root kit-like software being distributed with MicroVault fingerprint scanner software.

  26. Full Streaming Video of Sony Press Conference by Samfer · · Score: 1

    If you guys want to watch the full video of the press conference including the Q&A period you can do so by clicking on the link @ http://gaming.operationreality.org/2011/05/01/playstation-network-and-qriocity-coming-online/

  27. Re:Sony trying to cover *THEY* took the network do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Godamn. Lookit this post. Sperg much?

    They are a business, why else would they be doing anything if not for profit?

    The only sane thing to do in the event of a network intrusion is to disable access as throughly as possible until you can fix it.

  28. Hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make them lose money. Sony sells over price products. I been in boycott since 2005.

  29. Not for everyone by tepples · · Score: 1

    What do you have against Netflix?

    Nothing. It's just that Netflix is not for everyone, just like medications are not for everyone. Some Netflix fans on Slashdot post comments to articles about having canceled cable TV in favor of Netflix and imply that everyone else should do the same. They appear to be under the impression that no live programming is worth watching.

  30. Compensation for what? by laxguy · · Score: 1

    Personally, I don't believe Sony has to compensate anyone. PSN is free, you pay for the console (which still works without PSN), you pay for the games (which still work [for the most part] without PSN). You are not required to connect your credit card to your PSN account. So far there has been no proof that any credit cards have been compromised, and it costs you nothing to replace them if you're truly that worried about it. If you're smart you don't use the same password for any of your online accounts, so the fact that they have your password should mean nothing to you. Once PSN goes back online everyone will forget about this and go back to playing their various video games. If you're really that upset about this, then leave. Sony already got your money for the console and games you bought. ps. I am not a Sony fanboy, I am not an Xbox fanboy, I play 90% of my games on PC and the other 10% split between xbox and ps3. I'm just tired of hearing these empty threats and over reactions.

  31. Do they still demand our credit card numbers? by jools33 · · Score: 1

    What I hated about PSN from the start is that they demand we enter a credit card number just to be able to use the service. I really see no need for any site outside of financial institutions to need to store credit card information - in my opinion this practice should be made illegal. My bank has recently started offering the facility (through Visa) of generating one time card numbers with fixed limit caps - and you can choose your own expiry date. If Sony are still insisting on card numbers - they will be getting one of these generated ones from me.

    1. Re:Do they still demand our credit card numbers? by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      What I hated about PSN from the start is that they demand we enter a credit card number just to be able to use the service.

      When on earth was that!? I bought my PS3 many years ago (and yes, OtherOS was very much a factor in my decision to purchase one), and signed up to PSN almost immediately, and I've never seen a request for CC info. If they did actually require CC for PSN, it must have been for a very brief period right after the PS3 came out.

      Were you maybe thinking of XboxLive? Or have I just been successfully trolled?

    2. Re:Do they still demand our credit card numbers? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Companies often use credit card info as a way to validate that you're in a particular country, for the purpose of region locking etc. Apple does the same on iTunes Store, for example.

    3. Re:Do they still demand our credit card numbers? by jools33 · · Score: 1

      I'm not trolling - just I recall giving my card no grudgingly when I signed up - maybe it was just with the first purchase from the store (my memory is a little clouded - it was a long time ago) - but I still fail to see why the playstation store needs to record the card numbers at all. Its just placing credit card information at risk for no need except for more control by Sony.

  32. Not enough by fremean · · Score: 1

    Still not enough to make me upgrade my PS3 from 3.15

    1. Re:Not enough by PessimysticRaven · · Score: 1

      Still not enough to make me upgrade my PS3 from 3.15

      Still not enough to encourage me to get one.

      I'm not big on the 'Smash Sony' bandwagon, personally. They screwed up. Royally. You don't just look away and HOPE no one else notices the big, gaping hole in your security. 'Tis r teh internetz. We like holz!'

      However, for anyone to be 'RabbleRabblePrivacyCompromisedRabbleRabble' is mildly ignorant. Most - if not all - the information that's currently floating out about the ether has been 'compromised' for some time now.

      Eh, what's that? You're concerned that your CREDIT CARD number is floating about? Been public knowledge for some time. Thank your card issuer and bank for that one. Oh, and anyone you've ever purchased from.

      You're concerned your HOME ADDRESS is floating about? Yep. Got that, too.
      PHONE NUMBER? Check.
      BUYING HABITS? Double-Check. (We call those 'Public Wish Lists.')
      PORN COLLECTION? Yeah, we're still sorting through the chaff from LimeWire.

      The second people realize that 'privacy' hasn't existed for awhile now, the better.

      --
      Consistency is only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
    2. Re:Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, what's that? You're concerned that your CREDIT CARD number is floating about? Been public knowledge for some time.

      It seems you don't know what the term 'public knowledge' means, so your comment is bullshit.

  33. Reminds me of some old advice by pgpalmer · · Score: 1

    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Where "fool me" = "get me to trust you when you don't take security seriously".

  34. Please assume the party escort submission position by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

    Please assume the party escort submission position

  35. Re:Please assume the party escort submission posit by king_grumpy · · Score: 1

    Please assume the party escort submission position

    Drop pants, grab ankles, and give a hearty cheer for PSN security practices

  36. Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 1 month free trial of a service I won't use :( This doesn't make up for the $15 I had to spend to change my credit card number!
    As a minimum, Sony should be giving credit to your account the equivalent of the cost of changing your credit card number over for each country for those people who have their credit card details on their network. Then those funds could be spent any means the user prefers. Whether that is games, movies, playstation plus etc.

  37. Not the only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A work college has a PS3 unit. Just recently (Before the outage) he said he ran an update on his ps3 (He's not very technical - So no hacks on his system).
    On reboot - The HD wouldn't boot & he can't even use his ps3 now. Upon enquiry to sony (Australia) he has to fork out ~200 for repair which has only 3 month warranty. [We are not sure if the HD has actually failed or if the firmware update failed somehow.]

    I told him, Considering you got to play about 10 different games on his PS3 compared to the hundreds on his old PS2 (Which never actually failed) - The PS3 has been a lemon as far as he's experienced. And an expensive lemon at that.

    I also mentioned the Wii 2nd generation will be out next year. Looks like he will be putting his money into a new wii gen2 rather than repair a LS3 (LemonStation3).

    1. Re:Not the only problem by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I told him, Considering you got to play about 10 different games on his PS3 compared to the hundreds on his old PS2 (Which never actually failed) - The PS3 has been a lemon as far as he's experienced. And an expensive lemon at that.

      And im sure you'll find just as much anecdotal evidence to the contrary too.

  38. Read the article next time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're giving free things to everyone that are separate from the 30 days of PSN+.

  39. New video link. by antdude · · Score: 2

    Old one was pulled. Here's a new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SDCV00ErEs ... :)

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  40. Re:Please assume the party escort submission posit by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    I can already taste the cake!

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  41. The "Welcome Back" Appreciation Program by mcmire · · Score: 1

    Is that like the Aperture Science Bring Your Daughter to Work Day? 'Cause we all know how that turned out.