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One-Way Sound Walls Proven Possible

disco_tracy writes "Imagine a room where a band is playing. Neighbors can't hear the music, but if someone outside the room is talking, the musicians can hear it. The concept — a kind of one-way mirror for sound — seems imaginary, but two Italian scientists recently pushed this kind of sound manipulating technology closer to reality (abstract)."

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  1. Uses by xanthines-R-yummy · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a good use for interrogation rooms...

    1. Re:Uses by nschubach · · Score: 2

      Automotive as well... being able to hear sirens outside the car without broadcasting your Justin Bieber sirens to the rest of us. Nobody needs to hear that.

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    2. Re:Uses by wiedzmin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also submarines.

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  2. Really necessary? by jspenguin1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's wrong with an ordinary soundproof wall with a microphone on one side and a speaker on the other?

    1. Re:Really necessary? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where would we be if people were happy with what they had? There's probably all kinds of situations, and even new inventions, that could use this that we can't even think of at the moment.

    2. Re:Really necessary? by mirshafie · · Score: 2

      I don't expect that the scientists in question longed to solve the problem of the band that needs to play loud music but still hear the people outside. They probably did it for the science itself, which seems fascinating.

    3. Re:Really necessary? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They missed the obvious use case. Think of the Children!

      Parents can hear kiddie outside when he wants a cookie, but kiddie can't hear the grownup sounds inside the bedroom.

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    4. Re:Really necessary? by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This would be material based and not require additional power?

      It would be great for those baby-rooms they used to have in movie theaters. The people inside could hear the movie without the audience hearing the screaming kid.

    5. Re:Really necessary? by Creepy · · Score: 2

      That is done in studios currently, but I think the main downside it requires electricity and someone usually has to push a button to turn it on (in my experience). Not really sure how effective it would be in a studio, though, unless you want a lot of natural reverb. Incidentally, I used to have a room set up with sound absorbing tile for that exact reason, but that all got torn out in a remodel a few years ago (it was in really crappy condition, or in my wife's words, was "fuggly and has to go"). I actually play a lot more acoustic guitar these days, anyway, and the 12 string sounds unbelievable in that small room (my wife also won't let me turn my electric guitars and basses up to 11 [she complains if it's over 1...], either, so they aren't as much fun).

    6. Re:Really necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or flip it around. Parents don't have to listen to kids. Kids can be scarred for life. It's a win/win! Somehow...

  3. Band... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine a room where a band is playing. Neighbors can't hear the music, but if someone outside the room is talking, the musicians can hear it.

    They can't be a very good band if they can hear somebody talking in the next room while they're playing...

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    1. Re:Band... by parlancex · · Score: 2
    2. Re:Band... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but they've got the use case backwards. The proper way to set it up is so that everyone else hears the band, but the band can't hear any of the complaints from the neighbors banging on the walls and yelling at them.

    3. Re:Band... by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine a room where a band is playing. Neighbors can't hear the music, but if someone outside the room is talking, the musicians can hear it.

      They can't be a very good band if they can hear somebody talking in the next room while they're playing...

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to find an amp for an air guitar?

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    4. Re:Band... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      Pff, they're everywhere... you just have to know one when you see it.

  4. Huh? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3

    "Imagine a room where a band is playing. Neighbors can't hear the music, but if someone outside the room is talking, the musicians can hear it."

    How does this wall mean the musicians will hear the talking over their own music? Is there one-way sound air coming soon too?

    1. Re:Huh? by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time division multiplexing.

  5. Re:Try to... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    World to Slashdot calling, it would like you to know about little tiny things called "testing environments". You should learn about them.

    And exactly where do you think you are now? The best testing environments look exactly like the production environments. Taco is such a smart dude!

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  6. Wave diode applicable to light? by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article describes the proposed theoretical mechanism as a "wave diode" - I wonder if the same principle is applicable to light? I don't know if "light diodes" already exist in some sense, but that seems like a possibly useful component for optical computing...?

    1. Re:Wave diode applicable to light? by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe one-way mirrors are completely dependent on highly disparate levels of light between the two regions. This paper describes a totally different physical mechanism.

    2. Re:Wave diode applicable to light? by kmac06 · · Score: 2

      There is such a thing for light, an optical (or Faraday) isolator, which uses the Faraday effect. It relies on the fact that light is a transverse wave, not longitudinal, so it wouldn't work for sound. Note that because of the large magnetic field required, most optical isolators only have an aperture of a few millimeters (or less), so it would be impractical to build a "one-way" mirror of appreciable size out of it.

    3. Re:Wave diode applicable to light? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      No... a one-way mirror doesn't allow light to pass in only one direction. It passes, and reflects, light equally in either direction. The trick is to make it dark enough on one side that you can't see your own reflection, and bright enough on the other side that they can't see you because their reflection is too bright.

  7. Lots of reasons by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3

    The same reason why a 1 way mirror is better in some applications than a video camera on one side of a wall with a monitor on the other.

    On possible use is in security. People can avoid cameras, and small unseen microphones are not directional. Airports, casinos, police stations, and other security heavy areas will certainly have a use.

    Imagine the CIA setting up a room for foreign dignitaries. The dignitaries sweep the room for bugs. But unknown to them, the floor of their room is a 1 way sound barrier, with agents sitting below with directional microphones pointed at the ceiling underneath each room.

    Imagine a submarine with a section of the vessel being a 1 way sound room where large microphones reside. All other walls are sound deadened except 1 outside wall. More equipment could sit there than any outside array of microphones, listening for enemy ships... but without an outside sonar signature, and without worrying about hearing internal noises.

    Even naturalists would love it. Imagine a retreat in a forrest where every outside wall was 1 way, making it sound like you weren't even in a building, but the animals were not disturbed by the sounds you make snapping pictures and talking.

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  8. Re:I hope it works. by adonoman · · Score: 2

    You just need a really tiny man to sift through the molecules and sort them by energy level.

  9. Re:I hope it works. by operagost · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure what this had to do with sound, but what you're thinking of already exists and it's called a peltier.

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  10. Washington DC's been surrounded by this for years. by bareman · · Score: 5, Funny

    We can hear the idiots inside but they don't seem to be able to hear us.

  11. Re:I hope it works. by vux984 · · Score: 2

    oblig...

    In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

  12. This makes for by twentynine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a better masturbation chamber...

  13. I dunno by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    A material that allows evergy to only pass one way seems like it would defy some sort of law of physics. Imagine a cube made of this stuff that only lets sound in... Would the energy inside the cube continue to build until it erupted in a sonic boom?

    1. Re:I dunno by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Almost all materials have differing levels of transmission and reflection of waves. It has to do with impedance difference at the interface.

      The trick here is there are two interfaces. Air-to-wall on either side. What they've done is to make the impedance differences dfferent on the two sides (low-to-high on one side and balanced on the other side, I would guess), and make it work for a broad spectrum of frequencies.

      The question is how much attentuation you get in the transmissive direction. If they're claiming almost none, I'm claiming bollocks.

  14. It could make a fun gag item... by EvilSpudBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make a small cube with each wall made of this material so that sound can enter the cube but it can't get out. Next, let it fill up with sound. Take it to the airport, construction sites, concerts, etc...

    Then you leave it somewhere with a sign on it that says, "Open Me."

  15. So Al Borland... by thwack328 · · Score: 2

    ...was a time traveler!

    AL: *singing away inside booth*
    TIM: Al! Can you hear me?
    AL: I can hear you...
    TIM: Think about that.