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HP Advances Next-Gen Memory Technology

angry tapir writes "HP scientists have made a small breakthrough in the development of a next-generation memory technology called memristors, which some see as a potential replacement for today's widely used flash and DRAM technologies. In a paper to be published today in the journal Nanotechnology, scientists report that they have mapped out the basic chemistry and structure of what happens inside a memristor during its electrical operation."

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  1. powers of ten by necro81 · · Score: 3, Informative
    FTFA:

    HP's latest breakthrough was to use highly focused X-rays to pinpoint a channel, just 100 nanometers wide, where the resistance switching takes place. A nanometer is about a millionth of a centimeter.

    [smacks forehead and groans]

    If by "about" you mean "about ten times smaller than".

    1. Re:powers of ten by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

      I hate centimetres. They make everything really annoying. All hail engineering notation.

    2. Re:powers of ten by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      The real WTF is 'about'. No, it's EXACTLY that. You're too used to your vague imperial rounding. ;-)

    3. Re:powers of ten by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Informative

      Much better article summarising this for the lay person (ie begins by explaining what memresitors are).

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13392857

    4. Re:powers of ten by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Er no, a nanometer is a BILLIONTH of a meter, which would make it a 1,000,000,000/100th (a ten millionth) of a centimeter. The guy who wrote TFA somehow thinks a centimeter is a thousandth of a meter. Funny how cent comes from the latin centum meaning 1/100th (which is why there are 100 cents in a dollar, for example), and milli means thousandth, and still people who write "sciency" articles manage to screw them up. THE METRIC SYSTEM IS NOT HARD, PEOPLE.

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    5. Re:powers of ten by korgitser · · Score: 2

      Then why is it so dang hard for Americans to switch from inches and pounds?

      From Wikipedia: Inertia is the resistance of any [physical object] to a change in its state of motion or rest, or the tendency of [an object] to resist any change in its motion. It is proportional to an object's mass.

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    6. Re:powers of ten by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      But when someone says something is 30c, I have no idea if that's hot or cold.

      Double it and add 30; that gets you close enough for most normal temperatures.

      0C = about 30F (32F, to be exact)
      20C = about 70F (68F)
      40C = about 110F (104F)

  2. Link to original article by zrbyte · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a link (paywall) to the research paper and a free preprint, if anyone cares to read. These *** news sites are never able to publish a link to the original paper.

    1. Re:Link to original article by vlm · · Score: 2

      These *** news sites are never able to publish a link to the original paper.

      Then we wouldn't need the news sites, (sarcasm tag) unless the reader wants real value added like "A nanometer is about a millionth of a centimeter." (/sarcasm tag)

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  3. Re:what about F-RAM? by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only real difference between FRAM and memristors, is FRAM has been licensing and shipping COTS product for over a decade, and memristors are a vaporware product from extremely deep pockets trying to bite a piece off that (admittedly very tiny) market by skating as close as possible to existing patents / copyrights / trademarks without actually being sued out of existence. Its kind of like asking what is the technical difference between a "turbo-" marketed product vs a "i-" marketed product.

    Both are basically microscopic core memories. Magnetic field hysteresis, measure magnetic state by trying to force to a given state and seeing how much power it takes, none means its already that state and a bunch means it was the other state.

    There are other theoretical uses for memristors. The killer is both devices are current mode devices, which means they'll almost certainly never be power-competitive with voltage mode devices. The other killer is they are not silicon, so that means scrap all the existing fabs and start over. Plus virtually everything out there is silicon based, so it'll be interesting seeing the hybrid devices. And the fourth killer is that memristor/fram technology is advancing, but mass produced silicon dram is also advancing, in fact for a decade or so has been advancing faster, making "modern core memory" ever less interesting.

    On the other hand, depending on their temperature handling properties, a memristor based CPU that glows dull red with heat might be OK, don't know. I do know that off the shelf silicon for a variety of reasons doesn't "like" working above a couple hundred degrees, but memristors might not have the same limitations.

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  4. Re:what about F-RAM? by cats-paw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The killer is both devices are current mode devices, which means they'll almost certainly never be power-competitive with voltage mode devices

    you have no way of knowing that at this point in time. it doesn't matter that it's a current operated device , it's power that counts.

    if it takes 1nA @ 1V to enable/disable a memrister then a billion of them will cost you a watt. So what exactly would be the problem ? Based on my understanding of the physics I think it's completely possible that a memrister could be power consumption competitive with standard technologies.

    However your point about the fact that it can't be fabricated using silicon-based technology is a good one, but the memrister seems to me to be simpler to fabricate than a FRAM cell, so that may end up being a wash.

    Generally speaking I expect much of the PR today to be vaporware promoting, but the memrister is too new at this point. There might yet be something there.

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  5. Re:what about F-RAM? by AdamHaun · · Score: 2

    The killer is both devices are current mode devices, which means they'll almost certainly never be power-competitive with voltage mode devices.

    Are there any voltage mode devices anymore? Flash and DRAM are current mode, and my understanding is that even SRAM uses current mode sensing. I don't work in the FRAM group (I'm a flash guy), but TI's FRAM MCUs are supposed to be super low-power.

    CMOS processes always have to be modified to support nonvolatile memory. Not sure what extra steps memristors would need but I doubt it would involve throwing out all existing equipment -- more like adding one or two things.

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