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Kaspersky Calls For 'Internet Interpol'
angry tapir writes "With cybercrime now the second largest criminal activity in the world, measures such as the creation of an 'Internet Interpol' and better cooperation between international law enforcement agencies are needed if criminals are to be curtailed in the future, Kaspersky Labs founder and security expert Eugene Kaspersky has argued. He said, 'We were talking about that 10 years ago and almost nothing has happened. Sooner or later we will have one. I am also talking about Internet passports and having an online ID. Some countries are introducing this idea, so maybe in 15 years we will all have it.'"
The consequences will never be the same.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
I really wonder how someone who sells protection would really benefits from having a more secure internet...
we all lose privacy so that the fucktards can pretend they're a little bit 'safer' from their own idiocy.
fuck 'internet passports' and 'online ids'. it's time for citizens to quit being chickenshits or eventually everything you do will be tracked back to this. this is different than the past because electronic surveillance completely erodes the natural privacy one has in the physical world. I don't want my every click, every download, every page hit recorded for some bored cop to puruse 20 years after the fact so it can be judged on current standards...all to meet a quota.
Didn't the FBI recently admit that almost 50% of their electronic crime capabilities are spent rooting around in child porn?
So, if Internet crime is the largest category, and half of it is child porn?...
wtf?!
Someone is lying.
Think there is an agenda here?
Won't someone please think of the children?
what are you talking about? The "internet ID" and "internet passport" become items of intense personal value that must be protected. The stakes will be even higher to protect your papers under a "papers, please." internet.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Instead of continually beating our heads on securing systems and people, let's remove the profit motive. If we fundamentally change how financial transactions are executed, security will becomes less of a problem.
Get the requirements for security out of Windows, and put it into trusted bank-issued smart cards. Separate authentication from authorization from identification. Build system that humans can manually verify without a Windows box being the portal through which this verification happens.
John
Wow, I'm afraid I have to conclude this guys is possibly a little too full of himself.
If we ever get anywhere near a "single secure cyberspace", we're pretty much all screwed.
Governments will use this to stifle your privacy, your rights, and every other thing they can think of. They'll make sure they monitor everything you do, and ensure you don't do anything they don't approve of.
Anybody who thinks the solution to cybercrime is to more or less lock down the internet like this ... well, I think they deserve a series of well placed kicks to the groin. I can only see this as more or less fascism -- though I'm sure I'll be accused of hyperbole.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
I understand his concern, especially after Kaspersky son's kidnapping, but this would erode online privacy to say the least.
'described himself as an “optimistic paranoid” when it came to online security'
I guess an optimistic paranoid is hoping that the next security technology is better than the one before, but never really trusting anything or anyone.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I really want a button ... that brings up a full trace to the person who initiated the message...
You and Gaddafi both.
-- "Oh. This guy again."
That's what interpol's job is supposed to do in the first place in all forms. Coordinate police dept's and services around the world. The real problem isn't so much that police don't talk, it's that the governments don't give them the resources to deal with internet related crime. In Canada, financial crimes under $200k are done on a case by case basis, by local dept's or by the provincial police, if there's enough officers available to take them off traditional crimes. Financial crimes over $250k are looked at only by the RCMP, and the RCMP will not take any case under $200k due to the lack of manpower and resources. And financial crimes under $40k are pretty much written off unless there are officers available. That's not even touching on the training.
It's a sad state, but the problem is three fold. First people don't think you need more police. The average citizen to cop ratio is between 100:1 and 750:1, though in some parts of the US it's 4000:1. Second, while a lot of younger cops(that's under 40 as the average age here is around 45), see this as an issue but not a pressing one(too much traditional crime, and staff sgt's who have too few resources, or too few inspectors for the job and are on other cases). Third, politics and bureaucratic BS. There are either weak laws, no laws, a mishmash of laws, or politicians and chiefs stuck in 30-40 year old thinking.
Om, nomnomnom...
We were talking about that 10 years ago and almost nothing has happened. Sooner or later we will have one.
Nothing has happened because we the fucking people don't want it to happen. We the Geeks responsible for implementing these BS control-freak fantasies for Big Brother don't want it to happen. We the citizens of a planet rapidly coming to recognize the meaninglessness of national borders don't want our rights to depend on those available in the most restrictive theocratic dictatorship on the planet.
Nothing will happen because, for all its flaws, we designed the internet to survive government attempts to control it.
"With cybercrime now the second largest criminal activity in the world"
I call bullshit. Anything that follows is irrelevant.
My detailed jargon filled response to this idea is "BURN IN HELL KASPERSKY!!!"
people will be publishing their IDs and passwords for everybody, and streaming encoded information through whoever's ID they like... and maybe we could even try that ontop of Facebook.
you want the rest of us to give up privacy AND take on the mantle of defending an online id that will automatically be considered legitimate by governmental bureaucracies just so you don't have a large spam folder? Wow..
Right now, any safety we have online is the fact that online ids are not taken seriously..
With cybercrime now the second largest criminal activity in the world
Seriously? Way to use vague, scary words to say absolutely nothing.
better cooperation between international law enforcement agencies are needed if criminals are to be curtailed
Why do I get the feeling that large American and European corporations will be the ones to benefit most from this "international law enforcement"?
Anytime Yevgeny Kaspersky profers his advice on how internet security should work, it should be remembered that he is a former KGB officer.
This is really allow about making it easier for States to control what people do online.
Or even worse, the dictators would have a monitoring service that just would scan for keywords. If one of their subjects states too much stuff or passes a threshold, the program sends a memo to a secret police to make the person disappear, perhaps if the threshold of "revolution speech" is high enough, the person's family disappears too.
Can you picture someone like Stalin or Pol Pot with this ability to monitor technology in their nation? Even outside their nation, they can find who dislikes their country the most and send some goons to take care of the problem.
Of course, this will do jack shit to stop hackers. They will find a way to "borrow" someone else's identity to do their dirty work.
their logo will be a cat
the only reason the botnets are a threat is because the organizations they attack are used to having big daddy government protect them from everyone else. they don't want to take on the time and expense of designing better systems.. they buy shitty middleware and get hacked, and they think ink on paper is going to protect them.. the single best way to mitigate the botnet problem is to take windows off the market, but of course that'll never happen.
No, because neither he no anyone else not directly involved in said attrocity (as either the perpetrator or the victim) will ever hear about it.
Bingo. Someone manages to get ahold of someone's "internet credentials" can go to town, and the owner of the creds would be nailed, both civilly and criminally for this.
Remember, we have people who are unable to tell the difference between an IP address and a person. Think about the havoc someone can reach with forged credentials.
Of course, this would make the AV company fear campaigns be able to go up a notch by telling people the consequences of someone stealing their "internet passport", and how consumers need their CPU-hogging, OS-crashing, I/O intercepting, expensive [1] crap, when in reality, something like AdBlock is what actually will get the job done.
[1]: $30 to $50 per computer per year. There is just no real point to paying that, unless you have a business, and if you have a business, you should use ForeFront or SEP which doesn't care about subscriptions.
You think Gaddafi isn't trolling and spamming? You want that button too.
Tell you what.
You turn in your license plates and I'll think about what I said.
Why would ICE & DHS give up their god given rights to pull anything they wanted off the net?
This sounds like there's way too much room for possible checks and balances...
...we bring the Information into the Government Age!
I8-D
License plates only ID your car. Your analogy is flawed.
Last time I checked, the majority of the criminal activity on the internet was perpetrated by Governments... what good would creating an international agency to patrol criminal activity when it would have to report to the criminals themselves?
We don't need a secondary economy inflating online prices. Screw that.
why? it's not that other os's don't have flaws, it's that windows is straddled with use-interface expectations that are not compatible with even basic security (user processes kept separate from base system). yes windows has the capability, but the software infrastructure that supports the os does not tolerate it well. the OOTB security configuration is a joke as well,.. all it does is annoy the user into turning them off. governments and their agencies (and banks and corporations) use windows everywhere.. that's why botnets are so effective.
great.. I'd do that instantly. also, do away with expensive taxes-disguised-as-registration-fees...
Hmm... maybe there should be a telephone Interpol too.
A government issued ID hardly violates my privacy. Mine sits at home, since I only have to show it in very specific occasions, and most aren't logged. It's completely different from having an identifiable address that everyone can see and log.
It would be like having a name plate with your SSN when you walk around.
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... that I can certainly guarantee;
Is a system so secure and able to identify you, that it CANNOT allow for crimes to be committed.
Reasonable security is good. But we want a system that NEEDS the will of the governed. If people are treated fairly -- and there is a system in place where Identity can MANUALLY be ascertained, than real security is through the GOOD WILL of the people.
Also, you need people who react, rather than waiting for some authority to come by -- but that's another discussion.
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When you're out on the public roads in your 1500-lb child-smashing machine, you should be identifiable.
When you're on the public internets on your 1.5-GHz rootkit-depositing machine, you should be identifiable.
If you want to go out on the roads without ID, leave the car at home.
If you want to communicate without ID, leave the internet at home.
See how that works?
Those taxes are rarely enough to pay for what you get. Road is a couple of million dollars a mile these days.
We already have a structure in place for law enforcement across borders we just need for them to have the tools they need to work in "cyberspace"
I just wonder why Interpol does not have
1 a facebook group
2 a set of twitter accounts
3 a region in SecondLife
im sure that the companies involved would be more than happy to certify that these accounts are actually held by the REAL agents.
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if roads were all we were paying for, we wouldn't be trillions in debt. there's no reason to tag people's cars unless you want to track where they go and grief them while driving...you know, to bring in more money to the bloated state.
Lady Gaga commented that cybercrime also is one of her concerns. There you go, that will pull in a few more search-engine hits.
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
I suppose you're also in favor of the mandatory name tags at all times, since anyone could be carrying a knife in their pockets and stab someone.
Maybe we should also put body and retina scanners at every building entrance? Security above all!
A PC is nothing like a car. A rootkit doesn't kill or harm physically anyone - if it can, it's the attacked machine's owner at fault, since you should never connected such machines to the Internet.
Privacy is a condition sine qua non for political freedom and the occasional theft is completely worth it.
Not to mention that this ID system would be largely irrelevant, since 1) it could be faked or stolen, just like any ID and 2) not every country would implement it and criminals would just proxy through them.
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just let me punch the guy who says "you may have won" on a thousand and one annoying popup ads
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Say, some large entity ( which can't easily be sued out of existence ) keeps log of all IP addresses, and if some IP addresses are dispensing problems on the web, their activites are noted, kinda like the credit reporting agencies keep track of all of us.
A web application, much like a PING, could be distributed which would query this repository. Hit it with a packet containing the IP being queried, and it would return with either a clean bill-of-health, or a pointer to news of that IP's misbehaviour if that IP has a record of dispensing problems.
Its not a guarantee of safety, but it would give one a heads-up is that IP or subnet has a history of leaving messes on the net.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
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Be seeing you...
Do you work for one of the investment banks, the ones that ' invested ` us all into the toilet?
"We don't need a secondary economy inflating online prices. Screw that", marnues
Yea, that's the job of the primary economy, and you're right we are getting screwed. I notice you have nothing to say about the ability to steal product online with nothing more secure than a sequence of digits, the same ones printed on the front of the card. A bit like giving away a make-your-own-money-kit with ever desktop computer. Something only beaten in the dumbest idea ever by putting the ATM card data on a magnetic strip. Making it so much easier to extract the card info using skimmers.
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