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DOJ Could Ban Texas Flights Over Anti-Patdown Law
hellkyng writes "The Department of Justice may ban flights from Texas because of the Anti-Patdown law making its way through the legal system. Says Rep. David Simpson, 'Someone must make a stand against the atrocities of our government agents.' Should be interesting to see if Texas can pave the way for grope-free flying fun."
As of earlier today, the law's main sponsor, Dan Patrick, R-Houston, said the law is dead after support for the law collapsed.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/28032459/detail.html
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Yay, Texas.
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"The Department of Justice has sent a letter to Texas legislative leaders warning that the rule would run counter to federal laws."
What ever happened to the 4th amendment? Isn't that federal law?
Something's going on in the background here... it's unlikely these legislators are taking such a myopic view. Say the TSA tries to ban flights to Texas... really? Would anyone stand for this? Even a Californian would stand up for Texas if that were to happen. Even an Oregonian... hell, maybe even someone from Delaware.
This bill sounds like something John Wayne would support, which means it should be gravy to pass through the Texas house.
That would be interesting as the primary defense against hijacking is a locked door, not a pat down.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
"Instead of threatening to shut down flights in Texas, why doesn't the TSA just show us their statutory authority to grope or ogle our private parts?" asked Simpson.
But aside from that, and perhaps it's my unfamiliarity with the proposal, I don't see any indication that this is trying to end the practice of treating everyone like a criminal.
Texas caved almost immediately. The next time some Texan starts bragging about what badasses they are down there, I'm going to bring this up. The TSA wrote one threatening letter and they peed their collective pants and groveled.
Proverbs 21:19
But if the TSA doesn't grope my junk, who will?
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I've already suggest to my local representative that she introduce similar legislation in Indiana..... here's what I wrote:
I ask that you consider introducing legislation similar to that of the recently pulled HB 1937 of the State of Texas.
Here's the link to their web site about the bill: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Text.aspx?LegSess=82R&Bill=HB1937
It would criminalize the types of searches the TSA has been doing, which are in violation of the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution.
In introducing this, you would show that you stand for the rights of your fellow Hoosiers. We don't have as much air traffic to worry about, so their is less fallout. You would also show some distance between yourself and the DC beltway crowd, which will probably come in handy soon, as they keep debasing the dollar, leaving the States out to dry.
Thanks for your time and attention.
Despite their huffing and puffing it is not economically feasible or wise to shut down Texas air traffic. Houston is a major hub for several shipping companies and there are other large companies based in Texas. If they were to prevent air travel that would undermine the economic recovery they Feds have been chasing. Maybe not a lot, but a simple act like that would have rippling impacts and cost this country millions if not billions of dollars.
Texas should play their game and call their bluff.
So can the DoJ demonstrate how the gropedown ensures the safety of passengers and crew ? Try starting with how many ''terrorists'' have been caught. If they cannot then what Texas is doing won't affect safety. I can see that it will affect the job security of TSA employees, but that seems about it -- the money would be better spent elsewhere, eg: on healthcare which would have a better positive affect on passengers and crew.
There are TAX dollars that are being wasted on those boondoggles. Back in the 1980's Ronald Reagan did a big fake star wars initiative and scared the Soviets into bankruptcy. I find it amazing how well this same strategy is working on us, scared into bankruptcy by some losers in the desert with peashooters and no girl friends.
I know. I literally have not flown anywhere since 9/11. I consider it a matter of principle to keep up with my little boycott. Whenever it is mentioned in my family, they say "oh, you don't like to fly". I say "no, I would love to fly, I just refuse to do all the stupid shit I have to do before I get on a plane". And their response is always to cock their heads like dogs learning a new word.
It's been 10 years of this, and they still find it easier to think I'm a giant pussy who doesn't want to fly, rather than accept the idea that maybe all those security checks are completely pointless. If you've *had* to fly since 9/11, you've pretty must just accepted this and gone on with your life. But to someone who still tries to do the right thing even if no one will ever notice or care, it sucks.
Yeah, pretty much.
Honestly, the ordinary hassles associated with flying are enough to make me hate it anyway. The security stuff just makes it worse. For these reasons I prefer to take the train whenever possible. For some destinations, though, it simply isn't an option.
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It reads: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The primary defense against hijacking is a plane filled with people that aren't willing to be hijacked. 9/11 already did that.
Have we no sense of decency?
It was all fun and games when it was graft and bribery on a multibillion spend to put millimeter wave scanners in a few security lines. It was obviously stupid because the devices can be fooled by concealing things in body cavities. In a sane world, the criminal justice system would put the Bush-era TSA people who planned this scheme on the stand, where they'd say "well, we thought it was a good idea at the time;" any high-school educated jury wouldn't believe a word of it, and would hand out prison sentences for the various criminals involved in the federal security bureaucracy and device vendors. Security apparatus steals tax money, news at 11, complete with body scans of preteen girls.
But in these crazy times, in for a penny, in for a pound. Instead of just letting people opt-out of being scanned (no reason not to, since the devices are only reaching a few percent of travelers anyway, and even an illiterate petty criminal can explain why they're worthless for stopping terrorism), they're trying to push the issue with the also ineffective but highly titillating federally-funded full body massage.
Perhaps it's an experiment designed to determine just how debased the American people have become - how ignorant of their own rights and heritage. In which case, well played.
With all the ways I don't seem to see eye to eye with the Tea Party and the Texas government these days, it's a genuine pleasure to find some common ground, and say, I take my hat off to them.
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Look, I'm a die-hard libertarian and I've always been a "you'll have to kill me before you take my liberties" kind of guy.
However, the writing is on the wall. We've lost a ton of our civil liberties and privacy in the last decade after 9/11. We try to recover from it, somewhat futilely. But what happens the next time there is an attack? All it's going to take is one more attack - which I think is inevitable, given the rapidity at which we seem dead set on making enemies around the world. It may not happen this year. Or next. But some day, it'll happen again. And when it does, everything we embrace and everything the country stands for goes out the window. One more attack and the entire population will be shitting itself and we'll be *demanding* that the government give every man, woman and child a fucking anal probe at the airline security gates. We'll *demand* that the government read every email and keep track of every purchase and every library checkout. We will bend backwards to remit our every liberty and freedom.
All it will take . . . is one more.
I think I would fucking snap if I had to fly these days. I flown a lot when I was young, in the service. Planes got hijacked now and then, nobody got excited about it. Not like this. The painfully simple solutions are always ignored. Put a door on the cockpit and don't open the fucking thing, and let the pilots/copilot carry a gun. But no, we lose all common sense and throw our civil liberties our founding fathers died for out the window like a bunch of pussies.
Frankly, I couldn't do this shit. They are NOT going to fucking pat me down like I am a criminal. They can fuck themselves, for I will refer to the 4th Amendment, and I will tell them I am a Vet, and a law abiding citizen. If they can't tell me from their "terrorists" then too fucking bad. I am sure the cocksuckers will bum rush me, throttle me to the ground and drag me off for interrogation. I may or may not ever be released. I am sure they will piss me off enough while man handling me to call them all Traitors and tell them they had better not EVER let me go if they have any sense of self preservation.
We haven't had this kind of intrusive rat bastard government on our asses since the British were here a couple of hundred years ago. Frankly we had more balls back then, but I will admit we've become a bunch of cleverly manipulated and brainwashed sheeple. I can't expect any REAL PATRIOTS to stand up out of this collective bunch of pussies. Fuck! Why couldn't they have done this 20 years ago, when I was more spry?
Texas needs to lead this nation in balls, and come back with even harsher legislation in regards to this Treasonous horseshit. Texans need to drag those pussies that caved in out of office. This TSA shit is nothing more than authoritarianism shoving it's cock down your throat, proving it can do so to your psychological make up. For nutless idiot lemmings, it might make them feel safe knowing someone is manhandling them for their own good, but not me. Fuck off!
Please Texas, don't pussy out on this one. We can do another Alamo if have to, people will come to support you. Like real heroes did in the days of the Alamo, they came from around the land to come fight in Texas. Draw a line in the dirt, see who stands on which side. Succeed if you have to, or not. Just don't pussy out and embarrass your forefathers.
Take the Red Pill.
Maybe the doomsday preacher John Camping was right about the end of the world coming and he was just wrong with the date.
Texas is doing something that sounds progressive.
If that isn't a sign of the apocalypse I don't know what is.