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PBS Web Sites and Databases Hacked

wiredmikey writes "Late Sunday night, hackers gained access to several areas of PBS Web servers and were able publish a fake news story on a PBS news blog. The group also published PBS internal user login information that they were able to siphon out of PBS databases. The fake story was about rapper Tupac Shakur, who died in 1996 after being shot in Las Vegas, being been found alive and well in a small resort in New Zealand. A group going by the name of 'LulzSec' claimed responsibility for the hack, saying the attack was a protest against a PBS Frontline broadcast last week about WikiLeaks."

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  1. Once apon a time by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I found all this mildly amusing.

    not any more :(

    1. Re:Once apon a time by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. I don't find it amusing at all.

      Now I find it illuminating. It seems that too much effort is spent making Javascript animated menus and Flash sliding widgets and not enough effort is spent on patches, updates, and decent password policy. Corporate culture prioritizes pretty pictures to sell us more shit we don't need. Meanwhile our personal information - and therefore capacity to buy said shit - is in danger of being leaked.

      From Sony to PBS and HBGary in between, too many companies are Doing It Wrong.

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    2. Re:Once apon a time by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporate culture prioritizes pretty pictures to sell us more shit we don't need.

      And yet, isn't PBS a non-profit?

    3. Re:Once apon a time by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Now I find it illuminating. It seems that too much effort is spent making Javascript animated menus and Flash sliding widgets and not enough effort is spent on patches, updates, and decent password policy. Corporate culture prioritizes pretty pictures to sell us more shit we don't need. Meanwhile our personal information - and therefore capacity to buy said shit - is in danger of being leaked.

      The Javascript animated menus and Flash widgets are cheap. They're (largely) a one-time cost that is often subsidized by being the same underlying code being packaged and sold to multiple clients. Hire someone to deploy a customized CMS and voila - done.

      Patching, updating, and enforcing standards is expensive. You have to hire people to constantly follow the process. Those processes take paid hours. If you're doing it right, you're hiring staff that aren't also implementing aforementioned systems serving menus and widgets. And to avoid down-time and (most) ugly surprises, it takes additional investment in infrastructure as well.

      You're right in so far as organizations often get it wrong. But flashy widgets is not the reason.

    4. Re:Once apon a time by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Non-profit status means that no-one who invests money gets a return on it. Your premise is essentially that people who invest labor shouldn't get compensation and that is absurd - there is no organization of any significant size in the world where the people who do the work are purely volunteers. Even priests get paid.

      Being a non-proifit does NOT make an organization qualify for government hand-outs - hell, PLENTY of for-profit orgs qualify for government hand-outs. I'd even go so far as to wager that most government hand-outs in the USA go to for-profit corps. All that "non-profit' status means is that donations aren't taxed.

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    5. Re:Once apon a time by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Even priests get paid.

      And I heard one of them saying that the benefits are out of this world!

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    6. Re:Once apon a time by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The solution is to increase the cost of failure to the point where it makes sense to hire someone to prevent it. In theory we can already do that in the UK but so far every guilty company has managed to wriggle out of it (ACS:Law, for example, had his fine reduced from £200,000 to £10,000 by claiming poverty).

      I'd suggest a minimum £100 per person affect, plus the provision of free identity protection and an unlimited liability for any fraud that occurs as a result. Enact that and security will suddenly improve dramatically.

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  2. Cyber temper tantrum by CaptainAmerica1941 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what we like or we'll stamp our feet and hack your site! What happened to freedom of information? Or is it just WikiLeaks approved information?

    1. Re:Cyber temper tantrum by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Do what we want and spin the news as we like or we will hack your systems again only we won't be so nice" that is the clear message here. It is a small group telling someone else to censor their information.

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  3. Re: Once upon a time by creat3d · · Score: 2, Funny

    No shit... and if you're gonna deface a TV station, why not go after FOX instead of PBS?

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  4. Re: Once upon a time by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fox? They do a good enough job of defacing themselves.

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  5. Teh cult of Assange strikes again! by Jailbrekr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is ironic that they violated the very freedom they see as being threatened

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    1. Re:Teh cult of Assange strikes again! by ThorGod · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I thought the same thing! By threatening anyone with a contrary opinion as theirs they're acting as censors - and apparently/supposedly that's what they were against the whole time.

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  6. Find 'em and lock 'em up by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These punks need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. The trolling culture on the internet today teaches kids (and man-children) that as long as you're laughing, you win, and there are never any consequences for fucking with people. A reminder of how the real world works is long overdue.

    1. Re:Find 'em and lock 'em up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is how the real world works.

    2. Re:Find 'em and lock 'em up by DurendalMac · · Score: 2

      Yes, a protest by unlawful access to secured resources. We call that a crime. If you enter a business and hang a big protest banner in the middle of the night, you could damned well be prosecuted for it. "Hacking" is and should be a crime because you're fucking with something that IS NOT YOURS. Is that so hard to understand? Do you just not give a shit about anyone else's property as long as the political cause is just in your eyes? Are you really that fucking detached?

    3. Re:Find 'em and lock 'em up by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

      I see, so in your mind, breaking and entering into your house or business would be a prank as well, yes?

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  7. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surprisingly, crimes do not become okay just because some asshole on the internet laughed at them.

  8. Re:I agree. by vandelais · · Score: 2

    Take off the mask, Butters. We know it's you.

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  9. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullshit. They broke into a computer network, stole and released username/password combos, and mocked the system admins as they tried to regain control of the site. They have shown a pattern of criminal behavior, attacking anyone who dares say something they don't like. They are crooks, and should be treated as such.

  10. Streisand Effect by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they really didn't like what Frontline had to say, they could have at least made their fake story a fake-retraction of the points they had a problem with. As Frontline is probably the most accurate docunews show on american television, if they pissed off some script kiddies, chances are the script kiddies are in the wrong.

    I didn't bother to watch the show because I assumed that following wikileaks closely over the years I probably already knew everything they had to say. As it is now, I am going to go watch that episode (it is Frontline Season 29, Episode 13 titled "Wikisecrets" and was posted to usenet in full 1080i about 3 days ago).

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    1. Re:Streisand Effect by HiThere · · Score: 2

      FWIW, dissident groups often adopt terms used by the opposition as derogatory labels. Puritans is one. Quakers is another. Beatnik is another. Hippie wasn't originally used as a derogatory label, but being used as one didn't make those into that culture change their name. Punk has always been a derogatory term. (Originally, I believe, is was derogatory slang for a homosexual meaning gunsel.)

      Now I'd need proof before I'd consider this group to be hackers. I actually think that "script kiddies" is probably closer to accurate. (Proof would be that their avocation involved hacking things together in a manner analogous to the crafting crude furniture out of logs using only an axe as a tool. I don't require that they be those who hack code together using only a simple text editor.) But given the distortion that the news media has given to the term I can accept that others might think of them as hackers. I am, however, surprised to find that usage on /. (The "l33t-speak" version "hack3rz" might pass, though.)

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  11. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by obarthelemy · · Score: 2

    sometimes people die, sometimes people are physically hurt, sometimes people are mentally hurt, sometimes people are financially hurt.... and sometimes a website gets scribbled on. I do think there's some king of gradation of wrongdoing, and this is not very high.. it ranks like a leak of the latest iPhone... barely... We should focus on the important stuff.

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  12. Re: Once upon a time by creat3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While this is true, if someone hacked Fox we'd probably get NEW footage of an exploding van! "TERROR BITS IN AMERICA"

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  13. You can watch the FrontLine episode here by PhrstBrn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can watch the Frontline episode on PBS's website. I love how PBS publishes a lot of their TV content online.

    1. Re:You can watch the FrontLine episode here by ktappe · · Score: 2

      You can watch the Frontline episode on PBS's website.

      And many of us now will. WikiLeaks is about to learn the full force of the Streisand Effect.

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  14. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yea it is no worse than burning books, or a cross on someones lawn, or painting graffiti on a synagogue. As long as no gets hurt is is all good right? I mean after all those actions do only about as much damage if any at all. I agree people are just too dang sensitive.

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  15. Re:Manning is a hero. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

    I disagree with you on many points here. I think Wikileaks is acting irresponsibly and that if a member of the military did leak that info I feel they are not heros but criminals. However the biggest problem I have with your post is that you are declaring Manning guilty of the action before he has had a trail. You may voice any opinion you feel is truthful about the actions but I would ask you to refrain from declaring Manning guilty. It is unfair to him as he is innocent until proven guilty.

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  16. But... by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

    ...criticizing liars associated with a political party makes you *partisan*!

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  17. Re:Manning is a hero. by headkase · · Score: 2

    I agree with you. Just because Wikileaks is being disparaged does not justify vigilante behavior. But, for what Wikileaks has released: it is more truth than our governments release, and in my value-system I believe that is more important than national security: it is what really happened. I'll give you a concrete example, here in Canada - where I live - our government during the run-up to the Iraq war was telling us: We do not support the Iraq war. And meanwhile, they were telling the USA in private: we cannot support you publicly because of the "political climate" against the war here, however: we will do everything we can to support your invasion. Tell me, what is our government if it is not the expression of the people who gave it a mandate? Canadian CITIZENS, en-mass were against the Iraq war: yet our government made no case to support their actions and instead pulled a back-room deal with the hopes it would never surface in history. And without leaking: it never would have.

    Now, moderators: if you are going to bother to mod this *anything*, consider: Informative.

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  18. Re: Once upon a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get real.

    Other than extremists like the Tea Party, and people who don't want to hear the truth unless it's slanted toward what they want to believe, people who watch the media and track news know that PBS is good at reporting things as they are. (Polls even show that people on the left thing it's conservative and people on the right think it's liberal -- do the math -- if you're pissing off both sides, you're doing something right and reporting more news that biased parties don't want to hear.)

    When it gets to the point that a news organization cannot try to do a balanced report without repercussions, it's not about revolutionaries, it's spoiled children who have to have their way.

  19. Re: Once upon a time by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who deface websites give themselves a bad name. It's not like they're defending liberty or something by shutting out what someone else has to say.

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  20. Re:PBS Is Very Commercial Nowadays... by Slagothor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had questioned the E/I as well. From the following page: http://tv.about.com/od/frequentlyaskedquestions/f/EI_CTA1990.htm Answer: EI stands for Educational and Informational programming. It is a result of the Children's Television Act of 1990, which mandates broadcast stations to program at least three hours of educational programming a week. EI is often seen on Saturday mornings. In creating the Children's Television Act of 1990, Congress was reacting to a FCC report that recognized the role television plays in a child's development. The CTA essentially reduces the amount of commercials during children's programming, and increases the amount of education and information in each show.

  21. Re:Manning is a hero. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    He sure as hell is.

    He has more courage in a few skin cells than a piece of shit like you has in an entire body.

  22. Re:Manning is a hero. by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather know: my representative is really an asshole,

    Oh he is.

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  23. PBS is not the government by Animal+Farm+Pig · · Score: 2

    PBS is a private non-profit organization. WGBH (which produces Frontline) is owned by private foundation.

    Where does the government come in here?

  24. What I didn't find amusing... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...was my reaction to this story.

    My first reaction was, "What? PBS? FrontLine? Really, guys, now you've gone too far."

    But then, when I took a step back, I realized that I was portraying a double-standard. When Anonymous (or its derivatives) goes after Big-Corp, we all stand beside the hackers and shout out chants of "Yea, they're finally getting what's coming to them!" But when they attack an organization I have lots of respect for, it's only then where I feel that they've crossed a line.

    But really, now that I see it, it is a double standard. When I now reflect on it all, it truly doesn't matter whether they are targeting an organization I have no respect for or one I have complete respect for. It is illegal. They are breaking the law and disrupting the business of the public. It needs to stop.

    And shame on us for trying to rationalize a double standard.

    1. Re:What I didn't find amusing... by jank1887 · · Score: 2

      well, lets think about it one step deeper:

      why did many of us condone or at least find humorous the initial 'big-corp' attacks? IIRC, it's because they (Visa/Mastercard, etc.) were cutting off services to Wikileaks. At the time it seemed they were doing this mainly based on allegations of illegal actions by Assange, the primary face for Wikileaks, but not Wikileaks. There were rather groundless assertions by the US that Wikileaks had done something illegal, but nothing that could really hold water. So, people saw Anonymous attacks on those corporate entities as justified. it was generally limited to denial of service, as opposed to cracking the system and stealing user data, and the companies were seen as unjustifiably hamstringing a strong proponent of transparency and free speech. Easy to paint a 'fighting the man' picture of oppression on that one.

      Now, we have this one. Frontline runs a Wikileaks story. I haven't seen the episode. Someone doesn't like it, and they hack PBS. Now, how much damage is done? If we assume actions are limited to what we know, not too much. Full public disclosure of the vulnerability, anyone who's info was obtained was published and has the opportunity to change passwords, etc. But, it was definitely criminal access to a computer system. It is possible that login info was cached elsewhere and may be used for attempted fraud elsewhere. It is possible more was obtained that was revealed. How justifiable is it? Not very. Was the episode 'really unfair'? Knowing Frontline, I doubt it. But anything's possible. Wouldn't mind seeing a critique of the episode. Would it justify what happened? no. If it was biased, would I think it would justify what was done before with the denial of service type attacks? maybe.

      Now, if by 'what happened before' you're referring to the Sony fiasco, that's a totally different story. That started with the denial of service thing, but all of the hacking that's followed, stolen CC info and all, falls way outside the normal 'protest' and is clearly criminal activity.

      either way, I find it quite easy to differentiate between the different cases, just as I find it easy to distinguish between people holding a sit-in and people throwing rocks through office windows. One's a protest, one is criminal. Sure, you can get arrested for both, but at least in one case people are aware of a line and don't cross it.

    2. Re:What I didn't find amusing... by nadaou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > And shame on us for trying to rationalize a double standard.

      there's nothing inherently wrong with double standards as long as you don't exclude inseparable externalities. (in which case there never really was a true double standard in the first place)

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  25. traitor is defined in the constitution by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    Treason is defined in the constitution to prevent reactionary fools from using it as some form of blasphemy to lynch people they do not like.

    Manning is no traitor. FACT.

    He may have violated his contract while arguably defending the constitution he swore his life to defend. Should he be punished? Yes. the degree is to be decided hopefully in a reasonable fashion - what he may have done was far far greater than wasting his life in Iraq for a neocon wet dream. Yes, I just said they are dying OF something (like an IED, or far more likely by suicide ) but they are not dying FOR something. Most of us only die of something, few die for something and even less for something worth death.

    Manning is giving some of his life for something bigger than OIL or "TEARISM".

    Americans are extremely NAIVE and unsophisticated but don't admit it; too much over confidence and too little knowledge or interest frankly. Sara Palin is an example of this. Its so bad these people are no longer just voters but they are running and getting into office.

  26. Re:Manning is a hero. by jdgeorge · · Score: 2

    He sure as hell is.

    He has more courage in a few skin cells than a piece of shit like you has in an entire body.

    Being brave is not the same as being a hero. Maybe most people would agree that Manning is very brave. However, being a hero suggests that the brave person pursues a laudable goal. Whether Manning's actions were praiseworthy is a questions on which people's opinions vary widely.

  27. Re:Frontline is an AWESOME show by trytoguess · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From what I've seen, the thing that might have pissed people off is that they did not portray Manning as a hero. Actually, they talked about his personal life problems before and after he started leaking data. Which to me, insinuated (intentionally, or otherwise) that the guy did what he did, not out of a sense of justice, but because his life was fucked up.

  28. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell you what, we will hack into your systems and give out your usernames/passwords. Then, you can tell us how it isn't serious. Right after you stop screaming for blood.

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  29. Re: Once upon a time by Artifakt · · Score: 2

    I tend to rate PBS as pretty middle of the road myself, but this reminded me of a sad case; a conservative I know, who typically calls PBS things such as "a libtard conspiracy to manipulate all the stupid people who have never held an honest job".
            He's explained how all sorts of PBS shows are leftist. Clifford the Big RED Dog's a commie, of course. Any Science show with Alan Alda narrating is obviously 'socialist' too. The cap came when he explained to me how the travel and cooking shows on PBS aren't showing the real Europe, since all those socialist European states are gray hellholes the USSR destroyed when we fought over them during WW2. He explained to me how, when the Russians occupied Italy and Spain, they treated them just like Yugoslavia and Hungary. Until Reagan finally won WW2, France was a Soviet satellite state. I told him the US and USSR fought together against Germany in WW2, and he said "That's what THEY want you to believe.".
                While I wrote him off after this as simply crazy, it's interesting to me how his behaviour mirrors this situation. We could definitely claim the liberal side of American politics has more sympathy for Wikileaks than the right does. So, we have the left attacking the left, if that makes any sense. When a right wing publication reports it that way, surely cognitive dissonance should make at least a few of their loyal viewers say "But that doesn't make any sense!".
            I think it's pretty obvious these hackers don't have a real, coherent, political opinion of any sort, and pretty likely they are just some batch of 4 Chan inspired script kiddies doing it for the LOLs. That's plenty to explain what's going on without any conspiracy theory. But, what I don't get is why a bunch of people who can and do buy into conspiracy theories about the President's birth certificate or how hot it got around the WTC elevators don't come up with similar conspiracy theories about why they are being told the left is attacking itself instead of the right. You'd think the paranoid nutcases would be all over things like this. We have people out there who every time a video broadcast gets glitchy, think they are seeing an alien lizardman's camouflage field slipping, but they hear "Hyper-leftist terrorists are attacking the organisation we told you yesterday was hyper-leftist too", and they can't get a good conspiracy theory started out of that?
     

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  30. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

    Yes, they gave those usernames and passwords out so OTHER could do it instead.

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  31. Re:Manning is a hero. by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're an authoritarian fool, and a tool. Manning also swore an oath to defend the Constitution, something both Democrats and Republicans have been using for a snot rag since 911. Manning unveiled government lawbreaking, corruption and deception.

  32. Re:I still found it amusing; harmless and humorous by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They did not do this as an act of good will. They did not do this in an effort to inform others about possible security holes. They did this because Frontline presented both sides of an argument about Wikileaks and these losers didn't like people saying anything bad about their idol.