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'Fee-Deduction' Malware On Android Spotted In the Wild

wiredmikey writes "New malware has been discovered embedded in more than 20 Android applications circulating via various forums on the Internet which auto-dials phone numbers to incur high user fees. Dubbed BaseBridge, the malware can be embedded in legitimate applications, and during the application's installation, the malware prompts the user to upgrade. If the user chooses to upgrade, the malware is installed on the Android device under the name 'com.android.battery'. Then, another prompt would pop up to ask the user to restart the app to run it, and the malware is formally activated upon restart. Once activated, the malware can activate three malicious services — AdSmsService, BridgeProvider and PhoneService, to communicate with a control server, from which it will download a configuration file to read related information and dial calls or send out SMS messages, incurring fees for users."

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  1. Well by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

    That is the treat of sideloading. And I wouldn't give it up for anything.

    1. Re:Well by cHiphead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my day, we called that "installing" a program. Sideloading? Really? What has the world come to? DRM-ified nonsense.

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    2. Re:Well by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Sideloading = installing apps from secondary channels.

  2. I like my walled garden by neosar82 · · Score: 1

    Say what you will about Apple's "walled garden", but I'm kinda happy I'm inside it. That's not to say that iOS is not exploitable because it most certainly is, but it's much less likely something I purchase off the app store will contain malware like this.

    1. Re:I like my walled garden by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Apparently reading skills are not required in the walled garden...

    2. Re:I like my walled garden by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I see the truth angers the fanbois.

      Have fun modding me down, been here long enough my karma won't even notice it.

  3. Um.. so which apps by bigredradio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be nice to see a list of the Apps. If there are "over 20" the list is probably not too large to post.

    1. Re:Um.. so which apps by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Or a link in TFA to the original release from "NetQin Mobile".

      Seriously, since I don't have the malware on my phone, this information-free story is the real malware, here.

  4. Douchery by Flipstylee · · Score: 1

    Plain and simple.

  5. What's the purpose of this? by yuna49 · · Score: 2

    Is it just to annoy people? What benefit do the authors receive from getting the phone to make random calls or send SMS?

    Proof of concept, perhaps?

    1. Re:What's the purpose of this? by thebra · · Score: 1

      Is it just to annoy people? What benefit do the authors receive from getting the phone to make random calls or send SMS?

      Proof of concept, perhaps?

      Because they can.

    2. Re:What's the purpose of this? by stoanhart · · Score: 2

      The author's set up their own pay-by-the-minute number (like with phone sex services). They set the rate to the maximum possible amount, which is something ridiculous like $99 per minute.

    3. Re:What's the purpose of this? by twidarkling · · Score: 2

      Probably they get the proceeds from these calls/SMS'. Couple shell companies to an anonymous account, and you're making money well.

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    4. Re:What's the purpose of this? by RottenJ · · Score: 1

      I suppose it could be used to manipulate American Idol vote-ins?

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    5. Re:What's the purpose of this? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not always. The best ones set up quite a low rate and don't make the malware call it more than once or twice. If someone gets a 50 charge on their telephone bill, then they are unlikely to query it. If they do, then the phone company will probably just give them a refund and eat the cost - they probably charge more than 50 for the call to their support line anyway. 50 doesn't sound like much, but if you get a couple of million infections then that's a huge amount of money. Ideally, they'll register a few hundred premium rate numbers and have the malware dial a random one.

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    6. Re:What's the purpose of this? by OS24Ever · · Score: 1

      To make money.

      They own the number being dialed, and above what the phone company charges the extra money all goes to them.

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    7. Re:What's the purpose of this? by Threni · · Score: 1

      As always, this sort of thing would be thwarted if you paid for "premium" numbers 3 months after the call, not at the end of the current month. This would give the consumer/community ample time to discover what's going on and report it before any money was taken. With no financial incentive to perform this crime it would happen far less often.

      Of course, this means the phone networks would get less of a cut.

    8. Re:What's the purpose of this? by irishPete · · Score: 1

      Random calls to numbers that bill $10 per minute to your phone

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    9. Re:What's the purpose of this? by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

      They make money. Any more questions?

    10. Re:What's the purpose of this? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Telephone companies allow people to set up their own pay-by-the-minute number and willingly give their customers' money to that? Is there a legitimate use for setting up one's own number like that which I'm not thinking of? I'm assuming the phone company gets a cut of the money regardless of whether it's abusive and illegal, and so things like this aren't blocked on their side of things.

    11. Re:What's the purpose of this? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Telephone companies allow people to set up their own pay-by-the-minute number and willingly give their customers' money to that? Is there a legitimate use for setting up one's own number like that which I'm not thinking of?

      There's loads of places where you see such numbers ... phone sex is "legitimate" in that it is legal, and people can choose to do it. There's also probably lots of more 'mainstream' applications that I'm not thinking of. Generally, it's called "pay per call".

      I can't even begin to count the number of "text this number for X" ads I see ... most of which say it costs you money to text to that number (or to receive the texts you've just subscribed to until you text "STOP").

      In the end, if it generates revenue for the phone company, and unless it's been proven to be fraudulent or illegal ... the phone company has no incentive to police this stuff.

      But, if you think there aren't plenty of businesses doing this already, you're grossly mistaken. This kind of mechanism has existed for probably decades and has probably both legit and shady companies. Fraudulently getting people to do it is probably not new either ... I think there's an entire class of phone scam which gets you to connect to their number and pay through the nose.

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    12. Re:What's the purpose of this? by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      Here in NA any number that starts with 1-900 is a pay-by-minute type. While the adult industry is the most well-known for them they can also be used by anyone where you're going to be charged by the minute for talking to them anyway (lawyers spring to mind).

    13. Re:What's the purpose of this? by localman57 · · Score: 1

      What benefit do the authors receive from getting the phone to make random calls or send SMS?

      What benefit to the authors recieve from getting your computer to send random e-mails? It seems like this could be the beginning of botNet style SMS spam. So far the networks have kept it pretty clean by putting heavy filtering on the internet/SMS gateways. It doesn't make sense to spam SMS if you're paying 5 cents a message to do it. But if you can compromise devices inside that gateway, and use their 5 cents, it's a whole different story.

    14. Re:What's the purpose of this? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a ridiculously easy way to get caught. If you wanted to catch the virus author, all you'd need to do way find out who owned the phone number.

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  6. Rather selfish by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That is the treat of sideloading. And I wouldn't give it up for anything.

    So you would doom millions to be raked over the coals by exploits like this, all so you can sideload. Awesome.

    Shouldn't the model be more of one where people who cannot manage systems have systems pre-secured for them, and the ones who can handle security can open them?

    It's worked well for iOS from a security standpoint.

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    1. Re:Rather selfish by nbetcher · · Score: 5, Informative

      Android is secured by default by disallowing the use of Unknown Sources. If you attempt to enable Unknown Sources for applications it will warn you about risking security. In addition you must know what you're doing to install the Unknown Source APK by either: using 'adb install', or downloading the APK to your SD card and use a file manager application to install it. So yes, Android is just as secure as iOS by default.

    2. Re:Rather selfish by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If only there were a setting to allow sideloading. One that's disabled by default to protect unsavvy users, but is easily enabled by people who know what they're doing/willing to accept the risks. Oh, hey, look! There it is! "Unknown Sources: Allow installation of non-market applications."

      Good to know that the iphone has a similar setting, that was a good move on Apple's part. Oh, wait, it doesn't? You have to exploit security holes to enable sideloading? Huh. How about that.

    3. Re:Rather selfish by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the model be more of one where people who cannot manage systems have systems pre-secured for them, and the ones who can handle security can open them?

      It's worked well for iOS from a security standpoint.

      Where is this "Open mode, I am not a moron" button for the iOS devices?

      As far as I can tell no one gets open access, everyone is assumed to be a moron.

    4. Re:Rather selfish by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      That is the treat of sideloading. And I wouldn't give it up for anything.

      So you would doom millions to be raked over the coals by exploits like this, all so you can sideload. Awesome.

      Shouldn't the model be more of one where people who cannot manage systems have systems pre-secured for them, and the ones who can handle security can open them?

      It's worked well for iOS from a security standpoint.

      I believe the point is to have the option. Sure, if you choose to sideload, you risk malware or other bad things, but freedom comes with risk. As long as you have the choice and you are willing and able to take responsibility for your device, there is no reason to forced to live in a walled garden. However, if you are happy with what the official channel has to offer, good for you. You should stay in the garden. But just because the protected environment is good for most, that doesn't mean we should all be forced to live there.

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    5. Re:Rather selfish by AJH16 · · Score: 2

      Some of us don't believe we should have to fight our device manufacturer to be able to use it. It is for primarily this reason I will never buy or recommend an iPhone or iPad.

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    6. Re:Rather selfish by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Doom? Aren't you exaggerating the issue?
      In the context of the article: It's basically like saying installation of unsigned Windows applications that don't use the Trusted Platform Module should be banned because there are infected versions on warez sites, forums and torrents. But since this is Slashdot, you probably didn't even RTFA.

    7. Re:Rather selfish by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean software exploits.

      See, that is exactly not what was being talked about at all. Security exploits are not put in by apple just so you can own your own devices, they are mistakes. They are a defect, not a part of the model Apple choses to use.

    8. Re:Rather selfish by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      So... How is jailbreaking performed? Oh... That's right, by using security holes.

    9. Re:Rather selfish by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      So you would doom millions to be raked over the coals by their own mistakes, all so you can have freedom. Awesome.

      There, I generalized that for you.

      Shouldn't the model be more of one where people who cannot manage systems have systems pre-secured for them, and the ones who can handle security can open them?

      You would doom millions who insist they can handle security to be raked over the coals? Awesome.

      Serious point here: mistakes and malware will happen no matter what. People who are competent enough to operate outside a walled garden will still make mistakes or not be informed enough, and will fall victim to malware, and walled gardens will be penetrated by malware too.

    10. Re:Rather selfish by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      At risk of sounding like flamebait or trolling (I'm not -- I'm honestly curious), how is Android different than an iPhone or iPad? I've got two Android devices, an HTC Hero and a Dell Streak 7, and I'm *pretty* happy with them...but not completely satisfied. I run ConnectBot on both devices so that I can SSH to various hosts at work, and I installed PocketCloud so that I can use RDP as well. Unfortunately, I'm severely limited when I can access hosts at work because the only OpenVPN compatible VPN clients I could find on the Android Market required that you first root (i.e., jailbreak) the device. So, as long as I'm in the office and connected to our internal wireless network I'm good, but forget trying to work from the coffee shop because I can't VPN from my Android devices unless I first root them...which, as far as I can tell, is not at all different from "fight[ing] our device manufacturer."

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    11. Re:Rather selfish by Spykk · · Score: 1

      I suppose that you are ready to give up your right to install software on your own PC for the good of the public, then?

    12. Re:Rather selfish by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      So the Apple store has never had any rogue apps find their way in?

      And the Android store, likewise, has never, and will never, approve an app that is a risk?

      Security by corporate moderation. I'm not at all comforted by that.

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    13. Re:Rather selfish by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      In my experience the only people who sideload apps are power users - most people will just get their stuff from "Android Market".

    14. Re:Rather selfish by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      Where is this "Open mode, I am not a moron" button for the iOS devices?

      It's called jailbreaking.

      ... which may void your warranty (on the hardware, not just the OS) apparently: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10836692

      I doubt they would have an easy way to enforce this given that if you've performed a factory reset on the device they probably can't tell it has been jailbroken (but then again if you are sending it out for repair/replacement under warranty you might not be in a position to perform such a reset).

      That said, I still wouldn't compare a built-in feature with warnings about possible consequences, that will always be available, that does not affect the device's warranty to a "feature" that is only available by exploiting bugs in the OS, may be disabled completely if future OS revision fill in all the relevant holes, and may (according to statements made by the manufacturer) invalidate your warranty.

    15. Re:Rather selfish by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Or they will just use something else.

    16. Re:Rather selfish by Kitkoan · · Score: 1

      This problem requires you to allow installing 3rd party programs, something you have to choose to allow. If you choose to remove a security feature and try things that is your choice. Its the same the first smartphone virus being on the iOS. Like this though, it required the user to disable a security feature to be able to effect you. Its not a security fault of the system, its a security fault of the user.

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    17. Re:Rather selfish by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Android is secured by default by disallowing the use of Unknown Sources. If you attempt to enable Unknown Sources for applications it will warn you about risking security. In addition you must know what you're doing to install the Unknown Source APK by either: using 'adb install', or downloading the APK to your SD card and use a file manager application to install it. So yes, Android is just as secure as iOS by default.

      If you want those free Amazon apps, you have Unknown Sources allowed, so there's that protection gone. (It's why Amazon doesn't work on AT&T right now, and probably why AT&T is going to have the option - some Amazon-AT&T deal).

      And people will trust Amazon so they'll obediently set that checkbox.

      As for installing an infected APK - all you need to do is visit the link on Android - someone sends you a link via e-mail, a QR code, or a website offering APKs for download (say, SlideME Marketplace - you can download free apps via their web site). Hell, all you need is to post in any forum "Get paid Android apps for FREE!" and they'll willingly install it.

      Hell, considering you can convince people to copy and paste blobs of javascript i ntheir webbrowsers to do some facebook thing, I'd guess you can get them to use adb install as well.

      Just like the iOS SSH issue - you can get people to not only install OpenSSH on their iOS device, but also SFTP and an SSH client on their PC.

      It's remarkable how far users will go to do these things.

      Coming next in Ice Cream - an option to finely control where APKs can come from to prevent people who use Amazon from exposing their phone to unintended app installs as well.

    18. Re:Rather selfish by brooklynwry · · Score: 1

      Yeah, by matter of policy Apple bans it. Occasionaly (and by no means always) Apple breaks a jailbroken phone with an update. But the way you phrase it, you'd imply that Apple is smackin' down with lawsuits, cease-n'-desist, and disabling the phones permanently. Now I've known a lot of people to jailbreak their phones, and not one of them has ever EVER ended up with a bricked phone permanently. So, fight, well, yes, but, um, how? Oh "fight" by doing precisely nothing? Cause that's what Apple does in practice to users who jailbreak their phones: absolutely nothing.

    19. Re:Rather selfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've never fallen victim to malware or virus. And I pirate a lot of shit (yaaar). I don't run AV software either (all except MSE is snakeoil). I read the comments closely and can discern if there are any viruses. If the download isn't listed on nzbmatrix or piratebay, then there are no reliable comments, and I don't download. Period.

      When really in doubt, I start a VM and test things. Again, no malware or viruses.

      I've also observed someone get malware. You have to be very desperate for what you are trying to get at... Desperate enough that the obvious signs evade you. When they click a link and it takes them to some other download page, then the page is full of shady ads, and when the site itself is shady as fuck... They click something thinking they finally have their download only for it to popup a file download box with a file of a completely different name with no relation to what they're downloading. They then click "Run" and ignore about 3 subsequent warnings. They are so impatient and desperate for whatever they are downloading that they don't read the shit. The more you throw at them, the quicker they will click.

      Another is fucking codec downloads or videos that supposedly contain their own player. Yea fucking right. Doesn't take a comp. sci. major here. Drop the damn thing into VLC. If it dosen't play, then delete it. Not worth watching. Plenty of other porn out there, they can let that one video go.

      Another vector is this cutsy dumb bullshit people trade on facebook. Again, they get warned about 10 fucking times by their browser and then Windows. The fucking UAC prompts on Win7 are really telling. If your fucking video with its embedded player asks to elevate to admin rights... Just click the damn cancel button.

      Windows isn't at fault in these cases. It's the fucking user. The only option would be to refuse to let them execute the file and then they'd bitch about that.

    20. Re:Rather selfish by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's the same thing that happens now on jailbroken iPhones with hackulo.us. They host a repo for iPhone warez, and you take a pretty huge risk by installing any of it--though if you're just some kid, what do you care?

    21. Re:Rather selfish by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      The law reads that Apple can't do anything to people for jailbreaking their phones and they don't want to open themselves up to lawsuits, but their entire business model depends on iTunes sales. It is like licensing fees for video games. Their business model is to charge both the content creators and the consumers for access to the same hardware which they want to control. They make it as difficult as possible to do and it is a philosophy I hate. I also generally buy video games for PC whenever possible for the same reason.

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    22. Re:Rather selfish by AJH16 · · Score: 2

      Yes, some features on Android do require rooting, but it is possible to run non-elevated applications that are not distributed through Google's market. Rooting is also left more up to the carrier and device manufacturer. Carriers like to have devices locked, but some devices are rooted by default. Android as a whole doesn't put a lot of effort in to protecting or trying to break root and can actually always be rooted (as far as I know) through ODIN or similar flashing. The culture of carriers makes this something that you don't see clearly unless you get in to the nitty gritty details, but in general, it is far easier, with fewer barriers or attempts to break rooting on Android vs jail breaking on an iPhone. Also, the level of customization you can do to an Android device after rooting is completely different from the level of changes you can make to an iPhone. Jailbreaking may let you run other apps and have more device permissions for those apps, but as far as I know you can't then put other versions of the OS or other builds on (particularly seeing as iOS itself isn't open for their to be other builds of it.)

      My perception of Apple has always been "you will do things our way whether you like it or not, because really, why would you want to do things any other way, cause we're Apple, savy." Where as Android's philosophy just feels like it is much more about trying to make a device for consumers and giving them control over their device to whatever level is appropriate for them.

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    23. Re:Rather selfish by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      It is also worth pointing out that most rooting methods on Android seem to stay in until they are exploited by malware and then are rapidly removed. A perfect example is the rageagainstthecage vulnerability with elevation of a debugging connection that was only fixed after the Market malware issue.

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    24. Re:Rather selfish by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      So be it. Why should I endure a "dumbed-down" computing experience just because far too many other people are too clueless and too lazy to learn about how a computing device works?

      Yes, I use Android and Linux. Yes, both are great for what I want to do with computing devices. No, I couldn't give a toss how many people use either of them or about some fictitious "Linux Vs. Everyone Else" war.

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    25. Re:Rather selfish by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      There are phones available that come with root already accessible. Geeksphone is one example, future HTC phones will have this when they ship too.

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    26. Re:Rather selfish by sexconker · · Score: 1

      If you want those free Amazon apps, you have Unknown Sources allowed, so there's that protection gone. (It's why Amazon doesn't work on AT&T right now, and probably why AT&T is going to have the option - some Amazon-AT&T deal).

      I have the Amazon store shit.
      I am on AT&T.
      What are you talking about?

    27. Re:Rather selfish by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      Android is secured by default by disallowing the use of Unknown Sources. If you attempt to enable Unknown Sources for applications it will warn you about risking security. In addition you must know what you're doing to install the Unknown Source APK by either: using 'adb install', or downloading the APK to your SD card and use a file manager application to install it. So yes, Android is just as secure as iOS by default.

      By your logic, Windows is also as secure as iOS by default.

    28. Re:Rather selfish by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Let me guess - you didn't buy your phone from AT&T, did you?

    29. Re:Rather selfish by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the model be more of one where people who cannot manage systems have systems pre-secured for them, and the ones who can handle security can open them?

      wait, you mean like the "unknown sources" button being unticked by default?

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    30. Re:Rather selfish by Night64 · · Score: 1

      I rather have the possibility to install malware on my device, because I want to take the risks, than have someone forcing me to install only what's someone think it is good for me. And that is the default option in Android. Want to use unknow sources? Check here, read the disclaimer, assume your responsability. My device, my rules, my risks.

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    31. Re:Rather selfish by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Let me guess - you didn't buy your phone from AT&T, did you?

      I'm not retarded, so I don't buy phones from carriers.

  7. Re:Glad I stuck with Windows Phone 7 by Dan+East · · Score: 3

    I know you're being facetious, but ironically in this case you're probably indirectly right. Windows Phone 7 has such a small market share that it's not worth bothering with from a malware author's perspective, while iOS and Linux (Android) are huge targets. Funny how the table's turned.

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  8. Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by bogaboga · · Score: 2

    ...though not publicly, about the chaos in Android's ecosystem. Seems that everything he predicted is coming to pass.

    Folks, we need sanity on Android. Currently, it's nowhere to be seen. Who can deny that?

    1. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      According to Google, it's "working as intended"

      We've been reporting all kinds of attacks and Google assumes you'll contact the developer or write a blog post to warn others of suspicious activity and that's as far as they'll let you take it. The report is my sig is just one of many.

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    2. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by robmv · · Score: 1

      Right, we need to check mental sanity of people that activate the option to install software from outside the market after the phone showed a big warning and they install anything from any place

    3. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Are all pirated iOS apps free of malware also? Or are you too lazy to even read the summary?

    4. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by Abreu · · Score: 1

      There's sanity in Android... There's also insanity, which is installing dubious apps from sketchy sources...

      Choice is yours.

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    5. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by fortyonejb · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points when I need them. The article also for some strange reason doesn't mention that if you don't allow installation from unknown sources that this malware won't be able to install. Interesting how they leave that out.

    6. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by Jonner · · Score: 1

      ...though not publicly, about the chaos in Android's ecosystem. Seems that everything he predicted is coming to pass.

      Folks, we need sanity on Android. Currently, it's nowhere to be seen. Who can deny that?

      Yeah, freedom == chaos. Oh, Steve, preserve us from the chaos of having to exercise judgment!

    7. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by idontgno · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I can picture the ants floating around in freefall:

      Freedom! Horrible, horrible freedom!

      I think this is the part where we welcome our insectoid walled-garden overlords.

      (Reference, for the Simpsons-challenged among you.)

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    8. Re:Apple's Steve Jobs must be smiling... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Actually, that was a terrible reference. This is a more specific and appropriate one. Or maybe another attempt to make you click one of my links. MWAHAHAHA!

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  9. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by thebra · · Score: 1

    I kept hearing that Linux was immune to malware all these years here, and yet I am seeing a Linux variant in ANDROID showing holes and malware attacks left and right the past few years now.

    (Has slashdot's Penguin crowd been lying to us all for all these years now? Seems so.)

    Go back to your bridge.

  10. I am shocked and appalled by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 3

    Trojans in software downloaded from sketchy websites? GTFO!

    1. Re:I am shocked and appalled by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Chase away the Free Software and this is what you get. The gratis software becomes much less reputable even if it is inside someone's walled garden.

      The entire "ecosystem" becomes remarkably more crass and predatory.

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    2. Re:I am shocked and appalled by Jonner · · Score: 1

      Chase away the Free Software and this is what you get. The gratis software becomes much less reputable even if it is inside someone's walled garden.

      The entire "ecosystem" becomes remarkably more crass and predatory.

      What are you talking about? It's Apple and Microsoft that chase away Free software, not Google.

  11. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A user with root explicitly installing a program IS NOT A HOLE.

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  12. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by mlts · · Score: 2

    The iPhone has similar issues. JB the iPhone, grab pirated apps from unknown/untrusted repos, shovel them via Installous, and there have been some really nasty things reported.

    The average user is not going to be sideloading apps, and if told to by a website, he or she should be VERY wary, and be checking search engines about the app mentioned.

  13. URL of APK by tepples · · Score: 2

    In addition you must know what you're doing to install the Unknown Source APK by either: using 'adb install', or downloading the APK to your SD card and use a file manager application

    That or enter the URL from which the APK can be downloaded, such as through following a link in an e-mail, following a link in the web browser, or scanning a QR code. After that, the device downloads the package over Wi-Fi or cellular, and then the user can choose to install or cancel on the privilege screen. That's how, for example, Amazon Appstore for Android gets installed.

    1. Re:URL of APK by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Yet even then you have to enable Unknown Sources.

    2. Re:URL of APK by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Before that you have to enable unknown sources. You can even enable it only when you are going to install something like that amazon app store and then turn it off again.

      Still better than the amazon app store for iOS model, which is of course that there is not one and never will be.

    3. Re:URL of APK by tepples · · Score: 1

      You can even enable it only when you are going to install something like that amazon app store and then turn it off again.

      But doesn't the user have to turn "Unknown sources" back on whenever installing or updating an application in Amazon Appstore?

    4. Re:URL of APK by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      What is needed is a way to enable installation of applications signed by $X. Then you just install their pubkey and let those applications be installed without being "Unknown".

    5. Re:URL of APK by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      So one of the malicious apps installs the key and you're back to square one.

    6. Re:URL of APK by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No no.
      The key needs to be installed in a seperate way from apps. Something done only when you want to add new markets to shop from. Sure morons will still do it for pirated apps, but nothing will stop that.

    7. Re:URL of APK by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      It needs to be separate from apps, and more importantly, not possible to do from apps.

      Possibly a physical switch on the phone to enable it, or something along those lines. With massive warnings making it near impossible to do anything while it's possible to install a key.

  14. Stupid users by Moondevil · · Score: 1

    No operating system can protect stupid users from installing dubious applications.

    Regardless how many security walls you put in place, if the user says yes to everything there is no way he will get protected.

    The stupid thing is that this then lands in the stupid non-technical press as "platform X has malware" articles.

    1. Re:Stupid users by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      well, what's a dubious application?

      a 'Make $$$ Fast' app.. probably
      but how about something like 'Bubble Boinger'... would you be confident that *didn't* contain malware.. 'cos if you can't be sure, that's pretty much half the apps in the Market off limits to you.

      Sure, if you put lots of security walls in place, the user can still be tricked into saying yes. ("restart app to apply update" says one, you say 'yes', oops. Not all malware asks 'install malware' in their popups).

      So you still need to fall back on security measures like AV scanners and system monitors. I think it would also be useful to decline certain parts of app requests - Bubble Boinger doesn't need to make calls or send texts, but sometimes they ask for such. If you could prevent those parts from being available to an app, it might make things more secure.

    2. Re:Stupid users by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Um, the "platform X" does have malware. Why would reporting such a fact imply stupidity?

  15. Re:Linux doesn't appear to be immune to malware by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Feeding time...

    I take you you use a perfect OS then? Do tell us what it is...

  16. Don't experiment if it's mission critical by devleopard · · Score: 1

    I love apps on my phone, but along the way, I have to wonder, just how smart is this? My phone is for me, as for many, my primary communications device. I get loading an IM app or an invoicing app or even some Angry Birds. There comes an implicit trust there, I suppose.

    I'm cool with tinkering.. that's how our modern marvels came to be. However, tinkering comes with implicit risk. The problem is people tinker and expect the mission critical stuff (like your phone making calls everytime you want, and only when you want) to still remain iron-clad.

    It's like jacking with beta software. Yeah, do it on your local machine. However, if you do it on your production server, and you lose data or have run-away costs, that's just too bad.

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    The best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit.
  17. Re:Linux doesn't appear to be immune to malware by element-o.p. · · Score: 2

    At risk of feeding the troll, here goes:

    No one who's had any clue about network and OS security has ever said "Linux is immune to malware." In fact, what us Penguins have said is that it's impossible to stop a truly dedicated admin-level user from shooting himself in the foot if he's determined to do so. However, Linux's security model does a really good job of limiting the scope of the damage done by a user installing malware. Unless you are root (or equivalent) on a Linux box, *your* account will be all that's compromised. You won't hose the entire box because you stupidly installed malware. You won't even turn up a service on a port < 1024 because only root can do that.

    The Android malware that's cropped up lately does NOT disprove any of the assertions above, because they are all essentially affecting a single user account. Granted, on Android, there IS only a single user account (which is one of my gripes about the OS, since on my tablet for example, I'd like to be able to set up different user accounts for me, my wife and my daughter, so we could all use the device without screwing up each other's settings, apps, etc.). Such a poor implementation of user accounts, IMHO, goes a long ways towards negating some of the advantages of Linux. <shrug>

    --
    MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
  18. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    there have been some really nasty things reported.

    References? While there's certainly the potential for such abuses, I haven't heard of anything in the wild to date.

  19. At least Android has "Unknown sources" by tepples · · Score: 2

    At least Android has "Unknown sources" and "adb install" in the first place. Amazon appears to have convinced AT&T to push a firmware update that restores the checkbox, and "adb install" sideloading support is a requirement for Market access. In addition, devices without the Android Market application, such as such as all Archos products, ship with "Unknown sources" turned on so that the bundled AppsLib can work.

  20. Re:Glad I stuck with Windows Phone 7 by localman57 · · Score: 1

    It may or may not be worthwhile. If you know someone(s) who has something you want, and uses Windows Phone 7, you might write such a piece of malware. Remember, Siemen's Industrial Control Systems for Centrifuges have an even smaller number of manufactured units than Windows Phones. But I've heard there's been quite the nifty malware written for them. The criteria for writing malware is the value of what you achieve, not just the number of devices you can attack.

  21. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by mlts · · Score: 1

    If one visits sites like MacRumors, and looks under the iPhone hacks section, you will find a good amount of people posting about installing apps with Installous from dodgy repos. They all kinds of problems, from having to DFU restore, to corruption of other app's data, and so on.

    The evidence is anecdotal (someone whining about a spotty JB iPhone that has been heavily modified could be a lot of issues), but slapping on pirated apps from repos that have not been vetted is just asking for an additional payload to come with the .apk file.

  22. Re:So Linux + MacOS X (nix in general) isn't immun by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Friend, I work as a Linux/UNIX security consultant and if I thought you had enough knowledge about Linux/UNIX to understand an explanation I could give you about how a UNIX-like OS differs from, say, Windows in terms of threat attack vectors, then I would do so. But because I doubt your IQ barely reaches 3-digits in length, such an explanation would be wasted on you.

    Suffice it to say, I do not recall anyone on here ever saying that Linux is immune to malware because, the fact is, any program you run on any OS anywhere that you cannot guarantee is malware-free could be malware - so clearly anyone making such a statement would be a bigger fool than yourself.

    But you can satisfy yourself in the knowledge that, by virtue of the well-paid job that I do, that there are security considerations you must take into account when deploying any Linux or UNIX server - beyond that, you need not worry yourself as clearly your lack of knowledge shows you don't use Linux in any shape or form. Therefore how secure or insecure it is would be irrelevant within your small and blinkered view of reality.

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  23. Digital Signatures by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am not sure 100% that this is the answer but I think it is high time that we use digital signatures to verify the authenticity of the code. In the open source community this is done all of the time with utilities like GNUPG. Just simply use the author's public key to verify the authenticity of the code. If there is a discrepancy, then there should be a provision to discard the downloaded app. That should, at least, put a severe curb on wrapping malware in legitimate applications.

    1. Re:Digital Signatures by teh_commodore · · Score: 1

      So build it in and make it automatic. Web browsers check signatures all the time.

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      --"insert clever quote here"
    2. Re:Digital Signatures by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Uh, I believe all apks are digitally signed - certainly the ones from the market are. All a signature tells you is that whoever owns the key created the software. The signature in itself doesn't tell you own owns the key, and whether they stuck nasty stuff in their software. A certificate backed by a CA can help tell you who owns the key, but not whether they stuck nasty stuff in their software. If the CA does their job well enough it can make it easier to trace down who stole your money after the fact.

    3. Re:Digital Signatures by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup, and sites running SSL with valid certificates can host malware just fine. You just know who actually infected you with the malware (if the CA did their job well).

  24. Wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    which may void your warranty (on the hardware, not just the OS)

    You simply restore to factory OS before taking it in for hardware support.

    Because if you jailbreak you have a clue. Remember?

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Wrong by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      My only question to you: How much compensation do you receive from Apple in return for hijacking entire threads in EVERY Apple-related story and most Android-related ones as well?

      --Jeremy

      --
      Jesus was a liberal
    2. Re:Wrong by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      which may void your warranty (on the hardware, not just the OS)

      You simply restore to factory OS before taking it in for hardware support.

      Because if you jailbreak you have a clue. Remember?

      Could you please explain, for I am obviously clueless on this matter, how one would go about restoring the factory default OS on hardware that isn't currently working and hence needs to be sent in for warranty repair/replacement?

      OK so if they just replace the device they'll not notice. But you can't guarantee that will be the case.

  25. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Linux is just the kernel, the small but complex piece of software that sits between the user's operating system and the system hardware. It's function is to ready the hardware for use by the operating system, so is responsible for loading drivers and setting up parameters specific to the CPU it is running on.

    Anything else beyond that is the operating system that gets loaded once the kernel is in place. For convenience, the whole thing is referred to as "Linux" but, in reality, it is just a myriad of programs doing various tasks on that piece of hardware.

    Bearing in mind that the OS tools running on top of the kernel are Open Source, there are no "rules" as to how you design that system to run once the kernel has loaded. Therefore, if you want to design an OS schema whereby everything runs at the highest root permissions, there is nothing stopping you doing that.

    Having explained the above to you, I have permitted you to divest yourself of your clear ignorance when it comes to how Linux and free operating systems work.

    With the above in mind, Android does indeed use a Linux kernel to initialise the hardware in a smartphone, touchpad, netbook, etc. etc. However, beyond that there are numerous reasons why an Android system would boot into the OS very differently to, say, a Ubuntu or Fedora Linux desktop - one of the major diffences would be because storage space and memory are far more limited on a smartphone or tablet than on an average desktop PC.

    Consequently, your comparison between Android and Linux is invalid - if anything, a piece of malware running on an Android system probably wouldn't run on a Ubuntu system if it was transferred across, or indeed vice versa.

    Any computer system needs to be hardened against security threats but your comments clearly show that you possess little knowledge of the subject - therefore you would be better employed spending your free time becoming better-informed on the subject first, and then coming on here to make what could be some very valid points about Linux security.

    This would be a constructive alternative to just spewing out random comments and appearing like a complete and utter plonker.

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  26. Not idiocy by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Or, we could treat the real problem, personal idiocy, and educate people.

    Bullshit. It's not idiocy, it's lack of understanding. And the truth is that you cannot educate people on something they have no interest in. Nor should there be a need for education, I don't have to be a structural engineer to drive over a bridge, because I know the people who made it are competent. The same should be true of OS's we use, the makers should have secured that for us as much as possible to the point where normal users do not need any understanding or education to keep the device safe for use.

    Your response is every bit as absurd as "you're holding it wrong".

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Not idiocy by nschubach · · Score: 1

      The same should be true of OS's we use, the makers should have secured that for us as much as possible to the point where normal users do not need any understanding or education to keep the device safe for use.

      I would like to add a caveat... If I have an engineer build me a bridge, I expect it to be safe for me to drive over but if I want to poke giant holes in it to let rain through or place a roof over it I should be aware that I may be messing with it's structure and accept responsibility for the bridge failing because of my mods.

      That's pretty much the way Android works now. My only issue with it is that I have little control over what type of vehicles my gardener drives over it if he shows up in a pickup and asks me for permission to drive over my bridge and assumes that my answer will be the same when he decides to drive a 14-ton load over it later.

      --
      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
  27. Re:"The best you got" = mod down & adhominem a by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Excellent.

    You are improving. You have mastered "Cut & Paste" keys, well done! :-)

    Now go read a few security manuals, get a few years experience in OSes and security, then you can set your sights on one day being able to speak to me at the same intellectual level. Hell, I may even reach down and help pull you up those last few steps of your very tiring climb.

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  28. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 1

    This is ultimately no different from the days of downloading trojan-laden warez from a BBS or pr0n site and getting infected with an autodialer that calls some random long-distance number through the modem.

    If you're not willing to be careful about what you're installing, or where you're downloading it from, don't be surprised when your phone racks up random charges without your direct input.

    --

    Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
  29. Re:Linux kernel ALONE vs. Near ALL MS tools by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Friend,

    Your mastery of CTRL-C and CTRL-V is impressive indeed but cutting and pasting links to security advisories is wasted on me as I already subscribe to updates from Secunia, Bugtraq, Cert, Red Hat, Oracle and probably a few others you haven't heard about - do you not remember me saying that I am in a well-paid security job?

    You seem to be doing your best to rile me on the somewhat mistaken assumption that I treat operating systems like a religion and that therefore anything said against Linux in particular would have me foaming at the mouth and crying to the heavens demanding that a plague of demons be brought down upon your head.

    Unfortunately, the reality is that whilst Linux is my favourite OS platform to use, it has got there because I've used it and UNIX for so long so know it well and find it perfect for most of the computing and entertainment tasks that I need a computer to do. However, it does not preclude me from using other OSes, I actually like using Windows XP for certain tasks and for gaming, neither do I give two hoots whether or not Linux wins some fictitious war over Microsoft.

    The fact is, I like using it, have a well-paid job as a result of it's very existence and would therefore consider myself a "happy chappie" all-in-all, content with occasionally casting out a verbal challenge on here occasionally in order to see what thrashing dervish of a fish is willing to take a bite.

    So please, it's a quiet evening, indulge me more...

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    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  30. Re:LMAO - Please, you're making me LAUGH boy! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    Oh, you're back. And SO quickly!

    Sorry, were we discussing Windows at any point in this conversation? I thought we were talking purely about Linux & Android from the perspective of you clearly having little understanding of UNIX topology and what might or might not constitute a threat attack vector on those.

    At this stage, my advice to you is to restrict the topic of conversation rather than trying to broaden it, you will find the assimillation and learning process much easier.

    And PLEASE stop with the endless Secunia links. I am relaxing after a nice home-cooked meal this evening and you're making this whole thing feel a bit too much like work.

    You have a real opportunity to learn something really useful from an OS & security professional with three decades of experience in the field - so make the most of it.

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    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  31. Re:Can't back up all your bluster, eh? LMAO! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    With all respect, I have nothing to prove to you as I have no idea who you are and actually care little of your opinion as to my skills.

    I've got three decades experience in telecoms, OSes and security, I've written a few technical whitepapers in my time, developed training courses on TCP/IP, Linux, Shell Scripting and Security but beyond that I am not prepared to go into more detail - it's an illustration for you as to the depths of my skills, but I've no interest in boasting to you more specifically as to what I've done - suffice it to say, I had just started my telecoms career in 1982.

    And, if I'm honest, you do sound a bit too much like a petulant child to have the maturity and experience that you claim to, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt.

    That's enough about me anyway. If you want to continue discussing the core topic then please continue, otherwise I've no interest in getting into a pissing contest with you or anyone else.

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  32. The sanity of people using Amazon? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Right, we need to check mental sanity of people that activate the option to install software from outside the market

    As they are explicitly told to do by Amazon?

    It's a design feature of the platform than any mainstream alternate application stores must have you disable this block, and then any random link can install something for you. Do you really not expect a significant number of users will be getting things from Amazon given the marketing clout they have?

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:The sanity of people using Amazon? by robmv · · Score: 1

      No the sanity of people installing from non respectable sources, the warning is very informative, if someone still try to save a few bucks installing applications from unknown sources, that is their problem

    2. Re:The sanity of people using Amazon? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Okay, you enabled installing software from any source so that you could install the Amazon app-store. So what? You still have to go trawling round dodgy forums looking for this shit, it doesn't just magically appear on your phone or bypass the permission warnings. Or are you one of the people who complains that their machine is infected after they downloaded a crack for Photoshop and clicked "yes" to all the warning messages?

      Users are dumb and can be tricked into installing malware. Is anyone surprised? Should Google tie people's hands to save them from themselves?

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    3. Re:The sanity of people using Amazon? by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      You're right that for BaseBridge to infect your Android phone, you would have to actually dig through some shady parts of the internet.
      But wasn't the DroidDream infections originating from apps on Google's Android Market?

  33. Another scheme... by TheSync · · Score: 1

    We could require people to develop on a specific platform to make the software easier to analyze, then have digitally signed software sold on a single walled-garden, only allow authorized software to run on the phone, with the phone provider able to take down and turn off any malware app as needed.

    Oh yeah, that is called an iPhone!

  34. Re:Prove it, & Mr. Eugene Kaspersky quoted by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    If we walked past each other in the street, we would not know it.

    I have no interest in the opinions of anyone I do not know and have nothing to prove to such a person. I have stated all I have to say, you are entirely within your rights to accept them or disbelieve them, to me it is of no consequence.

    For the same reasons, trying to goad me into revealing more will achieve nothing, I am far too old and wise to fall for that trick.

    You are also getting repetitive. By all means continue this with another repeated posting if you feel the need for the last word on me, I will not respond any more.

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  35. Re:Can't back up all your bluster, eh? LMAO! by teh_commodore · · Score: 1

    Despite all your "big talk" & trying to put me down, you haven't been even a FRACTION of as well noted in the art & sciences of computing as I have...

    On some level, this is true. Anonymous Coward has done a LOT of stuff over the years.

    --
    --"insert clever quote here"
  36. Re:Prove it, & Mr. Eugene Kaspersky quoted by sexconker · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to feed a troll, but to feed a troll and get thoroughly called out and owned?
    That's shameful.

  37. Crap by Kidfork · · Score: 1

    Of course its Android so everyone here is defending it. However if the same case was with iOS or RIM you all would be downing them to the max

  38. Re:Linux = "Immune to malware" (another /. LIE?) by Hamstaus · · Score: 1

    A user with root explicitly installing a program IS NOT A HOLE.

    Yes, but a user with root explicitly installing malware is most definitely an A HOLE.

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    I moderate "-1, Fool"
  39. In fact, today is more secure by DrYak · · Score: 1

    In fact, today is a more secure era.

    Back in the BBS and early internet days, download shit of random sites was the only way to install software. You had to choose wisely the place you got your software from. If you /.er wanted to get the latest compiler suite, you had to fetch it from somewhere. If grandma wanted a weather app or a smiley pack, she got it from the interwebs too, and caught a nice trojan while doing it.

    Now, systems like Android, WebOS, etc. provide you a nice walled garden of vetted apps. So most users can be sure they won't get malware. Advanced users, who are more knowledgeable and probably better at telling which sources are trusted, can enable other repositories ("sideloading", "dev mode", etc.)
    Thus if you /.er want to install some crazy experimental piece of software, you're still allowed to fetch it from somewhere. If grandma want a nice "kitten" theme for her homescreen, she simply get it from the official repository and is spared from trojan.
    Well, except for iPhone users. They are stuck in walled garden mode. Unless they go against Apple's effort, and have to use hacks and exploits on the phone that they actually own. Weird...

    BTW: It's "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"

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