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Dispute Damages Would Exceed Android Revenues

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the pay-in-negative-dollars dept.

CWmike writes "A new document in a year-old patent lawsuit filed by Oracle against Google over Android intellectual property suggests Oracle could be seeking huge damages from Google. The damages owed to Oracle, if granted by federal Judge William Alsup for the US District Court for Northern California, would 'far exceed any money Google has ever earned with Android' and could lead to a rewrite of Android's Dalvik virtual machine, considered integral to Android and used by Android device manufacturers and potentially thousands of Android app developers, wrote one blogger, Florian Mueller, who writes about intellectual property issues involving the software industry."

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  1. Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Florian is not a blogger, he is a professional troll.

    1. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by jvillain · · Score: 5, Informative

      PJ has already chopped the legs out from under this latest troll job.

      Link

    2. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If anyone here doesn't keep up with Linux Weekly News, here's a example article and discussion thread involving said Florian Mueller:

      http://lwn.net/Articles/434318/

      Never knew much about him, but still was startled by his descent into on-payroll patent troll.

    3. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding, when will this idiot disappear.

      When Microsoft stops paying him.

    4. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Florian is not a blogger, he is a professional troll.

      I'd never heard of him before, but looking at his arguments is like watching Glen Beck. Given a lack of evidence to support his fear-mongering, he puts his fingers in his ears and repeatedly says, "I'm just asking the question: can we really say there's definitely no infringement?" When every specific example he cites is debunked, he returns to his litany and insists that infringement is possible, then chides his opponents for being unable to prove the impossible. Having debated competitively, I detect the belief that aggressively responding to every argument is equivalent to winning.

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    5. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by vgerclover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When will /. stop linking to him?

    6. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by Qwavel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, half of the stories that get posted on /. now are from trolls, particularly the ones about Android. It's gotten so bad that I really feel guilty that I'm continuing to read slashdot - I think it is wrong of me to continue to give my attention to such a low quality source of news and discussion when surely there are higher quality outlets available and more deserving of our attention.

      So, what are those other sites? Has some other site picked up where /. left off? A site where they (or their system) somehow weeds out the lowest quality items before accepting them?

    7. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

      The groklaw article summarizes it like this: It is very early in the MS v Motorola suit; winning a construction claim does not mean much so early. Florian apparently can't count. By his math, MS is up 17- 5. PJ's estimate is MS 12, Motorola 6, and neither 4. Florian seems to have moved all the neither counts to be MS victories. PJ also remind us that in Oracle v Google, Oracle's initial 132 claims have been reduced to 3. Not exactly the gloom that the article paints.

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    8. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is if he can't do simple addition, can you count on his analysis? Hey we all make mistakes but he clearly seems to have an agenda proclaiming that Android is doomed. If you read any of the lwn posts, he takes the Glen Beck tactic of "I'm not saying that Android raped and murdered all these patents and copyrights; I'm saying no one has denied it. I find that interesting, don't you?"

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    9. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why won't Florian Mueller deny that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1980?

      I'm just asking.

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    10. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are completely wrong. A single claim will not ruin android, even if it were in east texas. It takes a claim to stick through the trial to do something, surviving the judge accepting the claim in the first place, and summary judgment. We have gotten to none of those scenarios yet. To ruin android is a far far cry. Remember, no injunctions have been granted, and it will be years before this is sorted out. What if 1 claim stuck, 6 years from now after appeal, and the fee was $500K? To see if there is anything at all, this case will have to go through along with it's appeal. Google has a very strong case and a very strong staff of lawyers as well.

      Your comment is completely inaccurate.

    11. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by Nick+Ives · · Score: 3

      Slashdot will stop linking to trolls when they stop generating pageviews.

      If you want Florian to go away, stop reading this thread and don't enter into any further discussion.

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    12. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by Nick+Ives · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ars Technica. It lacks the format of /. but, to be honest, this format is the problem.

      If you want high quality tech news where the editors aren't afraid to post in the comments calling out idots for lowering the tone, start reading and posting at Ars.

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    13. Re:Florian is not a blogger, he is a troll by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why won't Florian Mueller deny that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1980?

      I'm just asking.

      That's weird. I heard a rumor that Glen Beck did the same thing...

      That's nothing. I want to know why these two won't deny that they raped and murdered each other. Now that would be newsworthy.

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  2. Re:Android is a loss leader by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can remove whatever you like from Android. Removing whatever you like from actual marketed phones, on the other hand...

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  3. Florian Mueller is a TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Florian Mueller blog is a fake. Some call this astroturfing. All he does is spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) about Android (Linux). His blog was setup for journalists to point to because journalists have to point to other sources of information for their articles. And it seems to be working because I have seen CNN and other news outlets point to it. Shame on you CNN.

    Only guessing here, but Florian seems to be paid by Microsoft somehow to say these things. He even has written against IBM for the sake of Microsoft crushing IBM's mainframe business.

    His blog is misnamed - it should read what his intentions are - Anti-FOSS Blog.

  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  5. Re:what about harmony by michael_cain · · Score: 4, Informative

    Clean room implementations generally protect you from copyright infringement. From a legal perspective, patents are a different beast altogether. If I hold a valid patent, your independent invention of the patented device/algorithm/whatever infringes. The only way you get to legally use that independent invention is to either (a) invalidate my patent or (b) get a license from me.

  6. Slashdot now: News for consumers, stuff that sells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So many story summaries now are oversensalized, with many stories that are more like advertisements.
    It seems it's all about page hits and controversy.

    "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" is long gone.
    Too often the *Editors* can't be bothered to even edit or check stories before posting them.