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Police Say Mac Tech Installed Spyware To Photo Women

CWmike writes "He was hired to fix their computers, but police say that Trevor Harwell instead installed spyware software that took candid photos of his clients in various states of undress. Harwell had been a Macintosh specialist with a Los Angeles-area home computer repair company called Rezitech. That's how he allegedly had the opportunity to install the spy software, called Camcapture, on computers. While working on repair assignments, the 20-year-old technician secretly set up a complex system that could notify him whenever it was ready to snap a shot using the computer's webcam, according to Sergeant Andrew Goodrich, a spokesman with the Fullerton Police Department in California. 'It would let his server know that the victim's machine was on. The server would then notify his smartphone... and then the images were recorded on his home computer,' he said. Police say they've found thousands of images on Harwell's computers and have identified dozens of victims, all of them women in Los Angeles and Orange County. Harwell was arrested Wednesday by Fullerton police." But was he a good repairman?

235 comments

  1. In Apple's defense by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This guy was a rogue and clearly not following Apple policy. Apple states explicitly in their policy manual that spying on customers in any way--through their webcam, microphone, user accounts, etc.--is strictly prohibited for all Apple employees except Steve Jobs.

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    1. Re:In Apple's defense by Haedrian · · Score: 2

      Note that the above policy does not extend to locations visited while using iOS.

    2. Re:In Apple's defense by Duradin · · Score: 1

      I hope you'll be here all week. By the way, how's the veal?

      Even the summary sounds like he wasn't an Apple employee, just a Mac repairman for some not-Apple repair company.

    3. Re:In Apple's defense by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      An unordained repairman tried to fix a mac?

    4. Re:In Apple's defense by somersault · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I got my first Macbook I used to be pretty paranoid about this kind of thing. Moreso because I had Skype set up to receive calls from people, but I also thought stuff like this would be a possibility. I wonder if the little light next to the camera is hardwired to come on when the camera is in use, or whether it can be disabled in software..?

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      which is totally what she said
    5. Re:In Apple's defense by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Informative

      An unordained repairman tried to fix a mac?

      Not ordained, but he did attend a Christian university. FTFA:

      Harwell was formerly a student at Biola University, a small Christian university in southern California. Many of the victims were Biola students and Harwell may have compromised university systems as well, police said.

    6. Re:In Apple's defense by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      A non-initiate dares touch holy hardware?!? Dispatch the iAssassins.

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    7. Re:In Apple's defense by SilentStaid · · Score: 2

      ...but he was a Genius! *rimshot*

      /ducks

    8. Re:In Apple's defense by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

      No. The only fix is to wrap your entire Macbook in black electrical tape. You never know which holes, or indeed surfaces are spying on you.

    9. Re:In Apple's defense by cpscotti · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw

    10. Re:In Apple's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Isn't it cheaper to visit a strip club? Considering lawyer fees and punishment vs a few drinks .... Oh and better resolution, I mean, a webcam is crap, no matter who makes it.

    11. Re:In Apple's defense by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      He's not going to jail, The cops just don't want the software purchase showing up on the books. His next stop is likely the NSA.

      Brb, Helicopters outside again...

      - Dan.

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    12. Re:In Apple's defense by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 2

      IIRC, it's hardwired to come on.

      Of course, it's a little light, and it only needs to come on for a moment to take a picture.

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    13. Re:In Apple's defense by somersault · · Score: 1

      Actually I do remember a story about Apple developing a screen where the entire monitor worked as the camera. I've relegated the MBP to being a server now anyway, I'm sticking with more Linux friendly machines for now.

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    14. Re:In Apple's defense by second_coming · · Score: 2

      My wife has a piece of tape permanently over the webcam on her netbook :D

    15. Re:In Apple's defense by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      OMFG it's even better than you (or I) thought. Not only can the screen be the camera, but you can also just stick a camera behind the screen. I knew about the first patent but didn't catch Apple getting the second.

      Cue breathy voice: View Apple patents and see why 2011 will be like 1984.

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    16. Re:In Apple's defense by kestasjk · · Score: 0

      I love how seriously we're all taking this..

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    17. Re:In Apple's defense by kestasjk · · Score: 2

      The NSA.. for some little trojan and spying on women? These are the people who eavesdropped on the Japanese during WWII, give them a little more credit than wanting to hire pathetic little perverts with basic computer skills using 3rd party software.

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    18. Re:In Apple's defense by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      No, he was merely gifted.

    19. Re:In Apple's defense by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      This is seriously the best defense against this kind of thing. Takes you 5 seconds, costs you less than one cent. Virtually foolproof.

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    20. Re:In Apple's defense by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      That is what she tells YOU anyway.

    21. Re:In Apple's defense by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Considering some of the things the Japanese openly broadcast, I would hate to know what deviant perversions they do behind closed doors.

    22. Re:In Apple's defense by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The NSA owns your internet, the cable landing sites, your consumer grade crypto/OS ect. from day one.
      A state "taskforce"/city might be interested. Rented as amazing new next gen first of its kind remote Mac surveillance software well off the radar of any Mac anti virus software ... by a trusted contractor.

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    23. Re:In Apple's defense by iamhassi · · Score: 0

      So these are college girls? But the article called them women? It's not the same, hasn't anyone seen girls gone wild?

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    24. Re:In Apple's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can indeed activate the camera without turning the LED on. I have done it using OpenCV.

    25. Re:In Apple's defense by FauxReal · · Score: 2

      Isn't it cheaper to visit a strip club? Considering lawyer fees and punishment vs a few drinks .... Oh and better resolution, I mean, a webcam is crap, no matter who makes it.</p></quote>

      Who plans on getting caught? All criminals are tactical masterminds with ninja-like stealth and silver tongues.

    26. Re:In Apple's defense by doesnothingwell · · Score: 1

      If your wife doesn't have any naked pictures of herself, would she like to buy some?

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    27. Re:In Apple's defense by sjames · · Score: 1

      I guess the usual "instilling values" thing didn't work on him.

    28. Re:In Apple's defense by Stone2065 · · Score: 1

      *I* put tape over MY wife's netbook's webcam... and she's still running Linux... yes, I can be THAT paranoid...

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    29. Re:In Apple's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains it.

      In that sort of environment, one gets desperate.

    30. Re:In Apple's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biola University

      Original name: Baptist Institute of Los Angeles.

    31. Re:In Apple's defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of this explains so much actually. Not just Christian, but Fundamentalist Christian. I had a college buddy who was kicked out of Biola - probably because he had a normal sex life and got far more than I ever did.

      Fundamentalist Christian university grad with sexual issues? Say it's not so!

    32. Re:In Apple's defense by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      And here I thought I would go through my entire life without seeing "Baptist" and "Los Angeles" in the same sentence.

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    33. Re:In Apple's defense by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I put a piece of scotch tape over the lens. It lets the light in, and only shows blurred images. Images that are essentially useless, except to show movement of shapes.

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  2. hot photos by alphatel · · Score: 1

    Insert inappropriate weiner joke

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  3. Job skills by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently he is qualified to work for one of the school boards in Pennsylvania

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    1. Re:Job skills by rbrausse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the funny thing is that this guy was arrested but the Lower Merion spokesman could react with a complete waste of the taxpayer's dollars after the district was sued...

    2. Re:Job skills by bfree · · Score: 0

      He will get years in jail while nobody involved in photographing the children for the school will even get as far as having their fingerprints taken.

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    3. Re:Job skills by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between the school spying on its students and a pervert installing software on female clients computers to get naked images of them. Sure, what was done in Pennsylvania was a violation of privacy, but the school board wasn't after pictures of the victims undressing.

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    4. Re:Job skills by digitig · · Score: 2

      Sure, what was done in Pennsylvania was a violation of privacy, but the school board wasn't after pictures of the victims undressing.

      They say.

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    5. Re:Job skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between the school spying on its students and a pervert installing software on female clients computers to get naked images of them. Sure, what was done in Pennsylvania was a violation of privacy, but the school board wasn't after pictures of the victims undressing.

      The difference is not the action that was taken, but rather the party and the intent. Like how its perfectly legal for a governor to run someone down with their car because they were trying to warn them about the dangers of PCP.

    6. Re:Job skills by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Well, what one wonders is why this guy got caught? Did he actually have it upload pics to his own account? Did he fail to create a nightly launchd job that delayed an arbitrary number of days (from a month to six months) before enabling his background daemon? Did he brag about it on Facebook? Did he post the pictures somewhere? Where? No, wait.... I mean where did he hide the daemon? Or was it an application (obvious)?

      Inquiring perverts^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hminds want to know.

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    7. Re:Job skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, there is a difference... catching student undressed would be considered child porn... much more serious offense...

    8. Re:Job skills by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The feds think its better to ensure the safe roll out of cams in state 'gifted' laptops than let the limited press surrounding one school district upset the web 2.0 version of a super "pen recorder".
      Think of the good the cams can do as more and more impressionable young people self radicalize in the privacy of their own homes.
      The feds can passively get pics, video and sound as lone wolves transform into home-grown cells and connect up with more like minded people.
      Meeting with their free networked laptops running, sharing literature, video clips, music, pills, encryption hardware and chatting about expensive foreign gap year vacations.

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    9. Re:Job skills by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2

      Someone shit in your cereal this morning? Nice ad hominem rant there

      The two are different yes, but they both include secret software on the machine to take photos without the user's consent, and while the purpose of obtaining the photos may be different, the intent is the same - to get a picture of the user of the laptop without their knowledge or consent.

      They should all be punished.

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    10. Re:Job skills by Duradin · · Score: 1

      You must have forgot your /. logic. If C is a member of A intersection B then A = B.

    11. Re:Job skills by scrib · · Score: 1

      You're right, it is different. One was intending to violate the privacy rights of adults, the other was intending to violate the privacy rights of children.

      Read up on the story. The Lower Merion admins knew what they were doing and they knew it was wrong. The system took pictures automatically, but only AFTER the admins intentionally turned it on. I can't say whether their intent was to get nude pictures of children or just have a laugh or if they had some stupid notion that they were protecting the kids by monitoring them. Personally, I'm not willing to give them a pass on their moral character.

      As far as the actus reus of these two crimes go, they are remarkably similar. A trusted person puts monitoring software on a computer without alerting the user and uses it to collect images of them without consent.

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    12. Re:Job skills by Tarsir · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, what one wonders is why this guy got caught?

      He also had the laptop pop fake warning messages saying that the laptop was malfunctioning, and that putting it near hot steam might clear up the issue. This prompted many victims to take the computer into their washrooms while they showered.

      Eventually someone brought their computer to a MacStore instead, and the tech there found the spyware.

    13. Re:Job skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I've been trying to tell the cops! I did those upskirt videos because I'm interested in various underwear styles, and the cam in the womens locker was because I planned on writing a book someday on female social interaction in various forms of undress! They still didn't believe me at the last parole hearing, I'll try again in two years, they have to believe me now that schools are doing it too.

    14. Re:Job skills by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Only difference is the school had a better excuse. If the tech said he was writing a book on female Mac users and the repair TOS had on it somewhere that he could take pictures it would have been legal.

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    15. Re:Job skills by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      He also had the laptop pop fake warning messages saying that the laptop was malfunctioning, and that putting it near hot steam might clear up the issue. This prompted many victims to take the computer into their washrooms while they showered.

      Eventually someone brought their computer to a MacStore instead, and the tech there found the spyware.

      So, he's horny, criminal AND stupid. Never a good combination.

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    16. Re:Job skills by Toonol · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, he didn't target the underaged; the school district did. And, it sounds like the school district had MORE images saved.

    17. Re:Job skills by Seekerofknowledge · · Score: 1

      My god, I thought you were joking.... then I read TFA. This man... this man is a genius.

    18. Re:Job skills by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Yes but you know with all of the teenage sexting going on they must have snagged a few.

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    19. Re:Job skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "This prompted many victims to take the computer into their washrooms while they showered."

      Only an Apple consumer can be THAT stupid.

    20. Re:Job skills by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a nice touch to say that hot steam would clear up the issue...

    21. Re:Job skills by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's totally different when a man takes pictures of women without them knowing and when a school takes pictures of underage children without them knowing.

      And I'm sure not a single one of the IT men who administered the system even noticed when the pictures the service returned were of topless young girls.

    22. Re:Job skills by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      That's right, think of the children...

      We're still comparing apples to oranges. In one case we have a single private citizen who decided to install software on machines that belonged to other people, in order to get pictures of them naked. In the other case we have computers which were owned by the state entity which put the software on them. In the case with the Mac tech, the tech put software on the systems encouraging the end users to put the computers somewhere steamy. In the case of the school, they were putting 1984 style spying devices in front of kids, trying to bust them in the strange war on drugs.

      Both are wrong. It would be up to the (local) taxpayers to defend and pay fines for the actions of the either elected or appointed officials that went along with the student spying scheme. There the goal was to enforce the people's law, albeit in a way that is contrary to the typical expectation of privacy.

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    23. Re:Job skills by sjames · · Score: 1

      That is a bit telling.Looks like his crime was not joining the right club before acting like a perv.

    24. Re:Job skills by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      What do you expect for a Christian, eh?

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    25. Re:Job skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the school board of lower merion was totally trying, intentionally, to get nude pictures of the students

      Since when does intent matter in cases of production of or possession of child porn?

  4. Pics of STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pictures or it didn't happen.

    Cheers,
    Matt

    1. Re:Pics of STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    2. Re:Pics of STFU by mcavic · · Score: 2

      Um... here you... go?

      Win.

    3. Re:Pics of STFU by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised at how many of those are blatantly misogynistic.

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    4. Re:Pics of STFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi! Welcome to the internet! I hope you've been enjoying yourself for the last ten minutes, as it's all downhill from here.

  5. His Sentence: Use Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once he's convicted he should be sentenced to use Windows for the rest of his life. That should teach him.

    1. Re:His Sentence: Use Windows by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      .. and they said Mac fanboys don't have a sense of humor!

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    2. Re:His Sentence: Use Windows by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Hey, he's not some tourist down in Gitmo. Oh the huge manatee!

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    3. Re:His Sentence: Use Windows by mlush · · Score: 1

      No can do Eighth Amendment ;-(

    4. Re:His Sentence: Use Windows by Rizimar · · Score: 1

      The version of Windows he must use will be proportional to his crimes. In this case, he must use Windows 98 SE SP1.

  6. Hot Steam by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It had been popping up weird messages. One of them, designed to look like a Mac OS X system warning, said, "You should fix your internal sensor soon. If unsure what to do, try putting your laptop near hot steam for several minutes to clean the sensor."

    Now that is creative. Had to be some mighty dumb women who fell for that.

    1. Re:Hot Steam by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Warning, excessive static buildup detected. Attempt to discharge through touching elbows behind back.

    2. Re:Hot Steam by Haedrian · · Score: 0

      We're talking about Macs here.

    3. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some victims, tricked by the pop-up warning, did take their computers with them into the shower, Goodrich said.

      That's pure genius. Evil genius, but genius nevertheless.

    4. Re:Hot Steam by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the detail that really made the story for me.

      I mean, sure, this whole thing is creepy and wrong, but going beyond snapping pictures to trying to trick the women to taking their laptops into the shower? That's one for the ages.

    5. Re:Hot Steam by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      There used to be an awesome tool for Appletalk networks made up of Mac OS machines called Radiation. You installed the CDEV on your machine and the INIT on other machines. You used the CDEV to cause error messages to pop up on other machines. IIRC the default was "The radiation shield on your monitor has failed. Please step back five feet."

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    6. Re:Hot Steam by wintercolby · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many of the victims were Biola students

      And students at a small Christian college in Southern California.

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    7. Re:Hot Steam by guruevi · · Score: 1

      They probably had seen those Microsoft commercials: To the cloud!

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    8. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the blonde filter

    9. Re:Hot Steam by Rizimar · · Score: 1

      Static buildup discharged. Your computer is now OK!

    10. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously... Pics or it didn't happen. :P

    11. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soo... Does he have a website? :P

    12. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the smarter thing is not to abuse people

    13. Re:Hot Steam by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      The fact that in (apparently) several cases it actually worked is what's really amazing.

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    14. Re:Hot Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hope he was smart enough to push this stuff into a bittorrent b/f getting caught...

    15. Re:Hot Steam by Paul1969 · · Score: 1

      Now that is creative. Had to be some mighty dumb women who fell for that.

      Well now, it said many victims were students at a "small Christian university" named Biola. Something tells me such an institution would have somewhat easier academic standards than say, Barnard or Vassar.

    16. Re:Hot Steam by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Now that is creative. Had to be some mighty dumb women who fell for that.

      Dumber than the average Mac user?

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  7. This is not possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not possible, Steve has said us that macs do not have spyware or any other problems.

  8. I'm so sorry but... by Coraon · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Pic's or it didn't happen

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    1. Re:I'm so sorry but... by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      ...and he was really taking pictures of men.

    2. Re:I'm so sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rogue apostrophes mean you don't get any.

    3. Re:I'm so sorry but... by treeves · · Score: 2

      He's a grocer. He's allowed to have those extra apostrophe's.

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    4. Re:I'm so sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you are! (Warning.... NSFW, obviously.)

      What... you meant you wanted pictures of the girls rather than the guy himself "working" at his PC? My mistake- sorry!

  9. good repairman? by Madman · · Score: 2

    I don't know if he was a good repairman, but he sure is a tool. Fixed himself but good.

    1. Re:good repairman? by meowris · · Score: 1

      Seriously speaking, the minute he started doing the trick, he is no longer qualified as a repairman... IMO.

  10. Pics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pics or it didn't happen!

  11. Harwell for Congress! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    They can put him on the committees that supervise the NSA pen registers, RealID, biometric passports, FBI, etc.

    And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

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  12. Move to Philadelphia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    The Lower Merion School District has heard of your excellent work and would like to offer you a position...

  13. Mac cam : LED on by dindi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't these people know, that when the little green LED is on next to the camera there is something going on with the camera?

    I do not know if there is any spyware that can disable that, but in my experience: whatever touches the camera, the led comes on.

    I am surprised about all these secretly filmed students, thieves, women who have 1000s of pictures taken of them and never figured that GREEN LIGHT=CAMERA ON.....

    Really, is there any software that can use the MAC cameras without turning the light on ?

    1. Re:Mac cam : LED on by tibit · · Score: 1

      No. At lest not in my 1st gen MBP. The camera's LED is hardwired to the power supply. If the camera is on, the LED is on. "Light Test" functionality can be had simply by turning on photo booth.

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    2. Re:Mac cam : LED on by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      Don't these people know, that when the little green LED is on next to the camera there is something going on with the camera?

      No. Other than being close to the camera, it gives no indication that the camera is on. Regular users see so many lights on devices now, that it might have lost its intended effect (device being on/off). Maybe they think it's the light for the computer and it means the laptop is charging. There are plenty of reasons not to think it means the camera is on.

    3. Re:Mac cam : LED on by wjousts · · Score: 1

      But he is a repairman. Could he not have rewired the LED to NOT come on? Seems like it would be fairly trivial if you've already got the computer open.

    4. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Duradin · · Score: 1

      The two LEDs on my MBP are the one on the mag safe connector and the one by the camera. Apple designs don't follow the "you won't need any other lighting in the room" strategy that most other cases do.

    5. Re:Mac cam : LED on by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 1

      This wasn't exactly recording half-hour long videos of people, but rather quick snaps. In a reasonably lit room, it's possible some may have missed a blink of said green dot, or if they had their back turned, doing something else in the room, even looking down at the keyboard. Those who saw it might have just thought "eh, that was weird, but it's off now" and wrote it off as a glitch.

      Also of note, this fella got caught because this software was actually also popping up strange error messages designed to look like OS X system-launched messages that directed users to "use hot steam to clear a sensor" on their laptop. So maybe he was trying to keep himself in business hoping hapless users damaged their own computers heeding these warnings, so they'd call him back for return business? Because I'd guess that would also add a fraud charge. Perhaps he got greedy on top of pervy.

    6. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I would guess the hot steam meant he hoped the women would just take the laptop into the bathroom when them while they showered, so he could get some more naked pics.

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    7. Re:Mac cam : LED on by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Blame the victim. That's bullshit.

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    8. Re:Mac cam : LED on by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that in your test, the driver could be responsible for activating the LED.

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    9. Re:Mac cam : LED on by SengirV · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. It would be interesting if anyone in the know could comment on the light going on for a quick picture, as opposed to video mode.

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    10. Re:Mac cam : LED on by stillnotelf · · Score: 1

      Also of note, this fella got caught because this software was actually also popping up strange error messages designed to look like OS X system-launched messages that directed users to "use hot steam to clear a sensor" on their laptop. So maybe he was trying to keep himself in business hoping hapless users damaged their own computers heeding these warnings, so they'd call him back for return business?

      He wants them to take the laptop with them when they shower, although you're right that it's probably bad for the laptop to boot...

    11. Re:Mac cam : LED on by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      You forgot the white power light. Thankfully, on the newest models, it's not as bright anymore. On older models, it could really light up the room at night. Which was incredibly annoying since it was slowly pulsing all the time.

    12. Re:Mac cam : LED on by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      That depends, on a laptop? Not trivial - you need to take out the logic board to get the screen off on many of them, and then you need to disassemble the screen. Unless he was the only guy working, and he had a lot of excess time, it would not be trivial to do - it would add at least a couple of hours to each job which is not a huge amount of time, but it's not a 5 minute thing either.

    13. Re:Mac cam : LED on by westlake · · Score: 1

      Don't these people know, that when the little green LED is on next to the camera there is something going on with the camera?

      Small and green does not raise an alarm when you live surrunded by LED indicators and displays. There are at least five active in my own living room. The instantaneous flash of a snapshot isn't likely to be noticed or questioned even on the rare occasion when you are looking directly at the lamp.

    14. Re:Mac cam : LED on by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Internal and external webcam LED lights up, its a known issue, google finds Mac comments going back years.
      Not really dependant on any make, year, OS X version.

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    15. Re:Mac cam : LED on by tibit · · Score: 1

      Without a hardware mod, if the camera's image sensor has power, the LED is on. When the camera is not in use, it receives no power, thus LED is off. So, no, the driver cannot play with the LED, it can only activate and deactivate the camera, and the LED will duly indicate that.

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    16. Re:Mac cam : LED on by kiwix · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if the spyware can not keep the light off, it can probably easily keep the light on all the time. Then users would either assume that it's broken or believe that the LED just means that the computer is on. In the worst case, they would bring the laptop back to the repairman...

    17. Re:Mac cam : LED on by lxs · · Score: 2

      I don't have my macbook handy, but I wonder if a dot with a felt tip marker would be a simpler solution.
      That LED is really small and on a dark background IIRC.

    18. Re:Mac cam : LED on by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 1

      Oh, haha, I see now, I suppose it was a little dense of me to miss that, but I guess I'm happy that my mind didn't go the same direction as this perv-o. Yea, I certainly wouldn't take my Macbook in the hot shower-room with me. Doesn't sound like an optimal operating environment.

    19. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Amouth · · Score: 1

      you know another way to do it quickly

      if your looking to disable the LED - burn it out - use a high powered green laser pointer (the ones that can set things on fire).. pointblank for a few seconds should heat the LED to the point that the substrate fails.. effectively burning it out - no need to dissemble.

      (no i have not tried this but i see no reason why it wouldn't work)

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    20. Re:Mac cam : LED on by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sound like an optimal operating environment.

      Well, it's optimal if you are surreptitiously snapping pictures of people with the camera of said laptop.

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    21. Re:Mac cam : LED on by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Without a hardware mod, if the camera's image sensor has power, the LED is on. When the camera is not in use, it receives no power, thus LED is off. So, no, the driver cannot play with the LED, it can only activate and deactivate the camera, and the LED will duly indicate that.

      How do you know? You asserted above that you know because if you use the camera the light comes on. You have totally failed to prove that it is not possible to turn on the camera without the light coming on, only that you don't know how to do it.

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    22. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the CCD/CMOS light absorption chip isn't charged, the camera doesn't work. When it does get charged, that power is hard wired into the light. You can tape over or remove the light, but it is an all-or-nothing deal. No software is connected to the activity light in the camera. Also, in the case of Apple tolerances, it isn't possible to put anything between the light and the enclosure. The microphone is a completely different circuit, and doesn't have a light associated with it at all.

    23. Re:Mac cam : LED on by treeves · · Score: 1

      He most definitely dissembled.

      Your sig is a little ironic in this case. Recommending to do something that you've never seen done because you have a theory it would work?

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    24. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Amouth · · Score: 1

      that would be spell check + clicky clicky kicking me in the ass.

      as for your comment.. if we never recommended trying something that we have never done then we would never do anything new.

      the fact that in theory it would work is a reason to give it a try - where as if i had recommended burning it out with an ice-cube, well that would just be stupid..

      but hey the fact that a high powered laser can burn through objects and set them on fire - yea that won't damage any electronics.. and yea pointing it at one for a few seconds couldn't possibly be faster than taking the screen apart and desoldering it..

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    25. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caps lock LED?

    26. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I like that my EEEPC has an on/off slider for the camera. The off slider not only disables it electronically, but places a physical barrier in front of the camera. I wish the microphone had a similar feature. Meanwhile my Macbook Pro I sit in front of has no indicator LED to speak of.

    27. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you try to throw people off with pointing out the ignorance of these women, then go on to try and fish for a way to turn off the LED. Trevor, is that you?

    28. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are they supposed to figure out that the LED indicates that the camera is on when it appears to go on and off unrelated to camera usage? Particularly when macs aren't supposed to have malware!

    29. Re:Mac cam : LED on by tibit · · Score: 1

      Oh boy, have you completely missed my point or what. The hardware is designed in such a way that the LED is on when camera has power. At least the hardware I personally looked at in my MacBook Pro. The LED is connected, via a series resistor, directly to the power and ground traces on the camera assembly.

      For the camera to operate without the LED being on requires the camera to work without power applied to its power pins. If there's power on the power pins, the LED will be on unless something is physically broken or modified.

      It is possible for some low-power digital logic to get enough juice coming in on the signal pins to operate without power. I've just opened up the damn thing to verify that applying up to 4.5V on the USB data lines going to the camera assembly will not power it up in any real sense of the word. I've put the camera assy into an empty paint can, with three AA batteries providing power. The can is my EMI test can and has a BNC connector soldered on its side, and I've put a little "stub" antenna on the inside to couple with any emissions from the camera. I hooked up the output to a Tektronix 7L14 spectrum analyzer with an 18dB preamp in line. With 4.5V on either or both USB data lines, there's no activity of any sort visible at 10MHz span over 1.5GHz worth of spectrum. This shows that none of the oscillators are running. That same camera, when hooked up to a well shielded beagleboard (so that USB enumeration succeeds), shows plenty of activity, you can pick out pixel clock etc.

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    30. Re:Mac cam : LED on by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Oh boy, have you completely missed my point or what. The hardware is designed in such a way that the LED is on when camera has power. At least the hardware I personally looked at in my MacBook Pro. The LED is connected, via a series resistor, directly to the power and ground traces on the camera assembly.

      And if instead of saying "No. At lest not in my 1st gen MBP. The camera's LED is hardwired to the power supply. If the camera is on, the LED is on. "Light Test" functionality can be had simply by turning on photo booth." you had said "No. At lest not in my 1st gen MBP. The camera's LED is hardwired to the power supply. I know because I uncased the machine and looked at the PCB myself" then it would not have implied that you decided the LED was connected in this fashion simply by clicking an icon.

      This, of course, is why I asked you "How do you know?", and explained why I was asking. But of course, that was apparently flamebait.

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    31. Re:Mac cam : LED on by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I hear steam turns it off...

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    32. Re:Mac cam : LED on by tibit · · Score: 1

      How thick must one be not to understand something that I have repeatedly stated. Sigh.

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  14. He could've gotten away with it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He wouldn't have been arrested if he just registered himself as a school first. Then it's just a lawsuit.

    1. Re:He could've gotten away with it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would have gotten away with it if it had been for those meddling kids!

  15. That's what they get. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly they should have gone to a Genius for repairs. This would never have happened then. Life's scary outside the walls.

  16. Just get laid already by Smigh · · Score: 3, Funny

    This guy seriously needs to get laid. Seriously.

    1. Re:Just get laid already by base3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pretty sure he will, now.

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    2. Re:Just get laid already by michelcolman · · Score: 0

      Mod parent funny!

    3. Re:Just get laid already by Inda · · Score: 0

      Oh you Americans and your sexual violence humour! When do the giggles stop?

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    4. Re:Just get laid already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's anything to Karma he'll be bunking with some 250 lb biker who is obsessed with the fact some computer geek installed spyware on his sister's computer and took naked photos of her.

    5. Re:Just get laid already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually when they get locked up for treading on the cracks in the pavement or whatever passes for a jailable offence in the land of the free.

    6. Re:Just get laid already by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      Never. We can laugh at everything because nothing is sacred, not even your precious sensibilities.

    7. Re:Just get laid already by FauxReal · · Score: 1

      Usually when our favorite sports team loses, at the next TSA checkpoint or in this guy's case... when he meets bubba as the GP pointed out.

    8. Re:Just get laid already by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

      Never. We can laugh at everything because nothing is sacred, not even your precious sensibilities

      He's an asshole who deserves jail time, but rape is not deserved punishment under any circumstances. Human dignity is sacred. Deny that and you risk becoming uncivil yourself.

    9. Re:Just get laid already by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      *shrug* I've been called worse by better people.

  17. Where is chris hansen? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Next on to Catch a web cam Predator.... the mac tech.

  18. Who cares that it's a Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another article posted on the same subject (spying using webcam) that conveniently mentions a Mac in the title when Apple is in no way responsible or involved. Shocking, I say!

    1. Re:Who cares that it's a Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU

      It only involved macs in article one, and it only involved macs in article two.

      It would be like getting pissed off because a criminal was being called the Boston strangler.

      sarc/ Man, thats unfair to Boston, and giving the city a bad name. /sarc

  19. story without pics? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    hhmmmm, just how useful is this story without pics? We need to see and judge his crimes ourselves, and the only way to pass an impartial judgment is by closely examining all of the evidence.

  20. What about his employer? by 4105 · · Score: 1

    I would love to see a follow up story on what happens to his employer. They say no press is bad press. But I am sure "they" did not consider this type of press. I also wonder if other people in the company knew about this behavior? You could reasonably expect that a victim called the company to ask about the warning? It seems hard to believe that no one else at the company knew what was going on.

    1. Re:What about his employer? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      it's actually "any publicity is good publicity".

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  21. just a small piece of tape or post-it note by edwartr · · Score: 2

    I have been telling my clients for years as more and more laptops have gotten built in cameras or more clients have webcams hooked up to their desktops -> put a piece of tape or a post-it note over the lens when not in use. I may be paranoid but it definitely keeps that camera from doing that.

    1. Re:just a small piece of tape or post-it note by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Or buy a laptop with a cover for the camera lens. my wife's Asus netbook has an "on-off" switch for the camera that actually slides a lens cover over the lens when in the "off" position. It's a nice touch that ensures that even if you can turn the camera on via software, you still can't see out of it.

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    2. Re:just a small piece of tape or post-it note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the camera. Some cameras can pick up enough infrared to see through the lens cap, depending on what kind of plastic and how thick the lens cap is.

    3. Re:just a small piece of tape or post-it note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what needs to happen on camera equipped devices, is a physical "lens cover" even if it's just the equivalent of a plastic paper clip that fits that part of the laptop. This way the software can see that the camera is "all black" and popup a message saying "If you are trying to use your webcam, please open the lens cover"

      Many external third party cameras have lens covers. Even some camera phones. Though in the case of camera phones, usually front camera doesn't have one, and that's the one that would spy on a user.

      It would make logical sense in the story if the camera LED was left on all the time. Back in the late 90's when webcams just started taking off, rigging a computer to do exactly what happened in this story was also possible, though the cameras were the size of a hockey puck and still had the LED lit. The single computer with a webcam at a school could also be rigged to exactly what happened in this story, but the lack of broadband prevented much of anything being sent.

      Also back in the late 90's rigging computers to throw fake error messages was more doable because the average person had antivirus software, but no updates.

  22. why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I never understand idiots like this, with all the free porn online now, why would anyone do this? Yes, I know they are sick but still.

    1. Re:why by mlush · · Score: 1

      I never understand idiots like this, with all the free porn online now, why would anyone do this? Yes, I know they are sick but still.

      When the first 1Tb disks came out I of course thought how much pr0n you could fit on that.... then realized that if I looked at 200 million naughty images, it would stop being a thrill or even meaningful it would be the norm... (think about it that's 1 photo a second 24/7 for 6 years)

      Trevor Harwell was probably long past the point of desensitization, he was not looking for boobies, he was looking for trophies, the thrill of the hunt and the sense of violation. I'm not making excuses for him, what he did was sick and humiliating for his victims and he deserves prison time.... but oddly his motivation was perhaps a reaction to the utterly accessible sea of explicit porn on the net.

  23. Grammar Error? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

    Can photo be used as a verb? Not according to online sources.

    1. Re:Grammar Error? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      'Photo' is short for 'Photograph', and that's a verb.

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    2. Re:Grammar Error? by black+soap · · Score: 1

      'Verb' is a noun. Nouns get verbed all the time.

  24. Mac? Women? by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Story is obviously a fake.

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  25. It puts the laptop near the shower by wintercolby · · Score: 1

    As if it wasn't creepy enough.

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    1. Re:It puts the laptop near the shower by i_b_don · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry to say that I don't get the creepy factor here. The number one fantasy of guys (that ALL straight guys have had) is to be invisible in a women's locker room. This is basically someone trying to achieve that fantasy through technology. Yes, it was wrong. But still, the amount of harm done here just isn't so great IMO. Sorry. As long has he wasn't spreading the photos around with names and information, blackmailing the participants, etc, then it's just some guy getting a thrill trying to peak at naked women. It's been happening as long as women have been wearing clothes. So how the hell is that creepy?

      d

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    2. Re:It puts the laptop near the shower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It puts the lotion on it's skin.

  26. Apple virus-checker FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malware checker should have picked this up.

  27. How he was caught, by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 1

    When one the the ladies brought her MAC back in to be repaired he commented "we have that fixed for you in a jiffy, by the way i really like you new nipple piercings"

  28. The geek as voyeur by westlake · · Score: 1

    Pic's or it didn't happen

    What gives you the right to see them?

    1. Re:The geek as voyeur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woooosh!

  29. Damage Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comments seem to be a lot of 'damage control' for ~either Mac or this guys defense..

  30. The adult film... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, I'm here to probe your ports. Let me wiggle this a bit. Wham-O! I just set up your back door!

  31. Well if he worked for a PA school system by random+coward · · Score: 1

    Too bad he doesn't work for a PA school system. If he did he'd get out of jail free, even if the victims were minors.

  32. Re:Mac? Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Macs are mainly used by people who have no clue about computers.
    Ie. Women.

  33. Anyone else wonder about their blog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reviewed Rezitech's blog and ran across this wonderful piece:

    SOURCE: https://www.rezitech.com/blog/2010/03/25/blogging-for-business/, "Always Be Pimping: I have no idea where I first heard this (maybe from Chris Rue, but I’m sure he heard it from someone else like Erick Simpson or even Karl), but it’s pretty straight forward. The idea is to promote your products and services every chance you get (did you know that Rezitech can save money from your phone bill? I’m just saying pimping), and this includes in your blog. Whenever the opportunity arises (Rezitech can also provide your entire IT infrastructure with zero up-front investment!) you should mention how your company can help others. "

    Sorry, under no circumstance is it okay to compare your sales strategy to prostitution in a public forum. Especially when your firm is caught in the middle of a scandal of this proportion! I have to wonder if Resitech knew about his actions.

  34. Re:Mac? Women? by westlake · · Score: 1

    Story is obviously a fake.

    The geek spends too much time in grandma's basement.

  35. Why?? by tom229 · · Score: 1

    I've never understood the demand for this choppy grainy voyeur stuff with the current...... economic availability of porn on the internet.

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    1. Re:Why?? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      I imagine it has something to do with the girls not knowing they were being photographed. In his defence, most of the economic availability of porn on the net translates to little more than 40 year old 'teens' groaning and moaning the same damn lines over and over again while getting their dusty vaginas pounded by men with pot bellies.

  36. Little Snitch? by Slutticus · · Score: 1

    Would little snitch have caught the offending program phoning home? Although he probably looked to see if the users had this installed.

    1. Re:Little Snitch? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      If he ran it first and selected allow, any outgoing software firewall would let it pass as safe.
      It would take a look in the allowed apps list if it even showed up as something new or different?
      Physical access would allow the setting up/clearing of any security apps/logs.
      If the user did have too much security, try the next user?

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  37. Better to take pics of hot MAC chicks.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then ugly PC girls.

    1. Re:Better to take pics of hot MAC chicks.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then ugly PC girls.

      Why would someone take pics of hot chicks THEN take pics of ugly girls? Wouldn't they stop after the hot chicks? Or can't you use grammar properly? Oh, I see.

  38. Why isn't there a disable switch? by zeet · · Score: 1

    So why don't built-in webcams have a sliding cover? It seems like the equivalent of a 'WiFi Disable' switch for the camera would stop these things dead. Of course it could just be a switch on the power supply line, but that wouldn't encourage the same sort of consumer confidence as an actual sliding cover.

    1. Re:Why isn't there a disable switch? by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      My Asus netbook does have a sliding cover on the webcam. It's one of the design features that prompted me to buy it.

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  39. Good reason for camera access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While working as a BOFH for a large university, I had a number of directors that had no end of computer issues. When it was time to refresh the hardware, I replaced all of their nightmare windows machines with iMacs. My workload dropped considerably as their machines were not constantly needing attention. But the machines still needed administered, updates, upgrades and software installs. Since I loath to actually interact personally with my clients, I did nearly all the administration remotely, and my directors were aware of this. I made it clear to them that they needed to LOG OUT of their machines when they left the office for the day so that I would know, remotely, that they weren't logged in working on something. Can't teach a new dog old tricks... there were a few that just never understood why I needed them logged out, and rarely did so. Rather than just forcing a log out remotely, I installed a cli program that snapped a web cam image so I could see if the user was still at the console, or merely forgot to log out. This worked quite well. If the user was working late, I would immediately know, and I would come back to that machine later. If they just forgot to log out, the office would be dark, and I could safely log them out remotely without fear of them losing their work. It never occurred to me to set up a web cam pic harvesting operation. I had to work on their computers... the last thing I wanted to was to see their faces.

    1. Re:Good reason for camera access by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      It never occurred to me to set up a web cam pic harvesting operation. I had to work on their computers... the last thing I wanted to was to see their faces.

      I'm fairly certain that the tech wasn't really interested in the girl's faces either.

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    2. Re:Good reason for camera access by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      It never occurred to me to set up a web cam pic harvesting operation.

      The big difference here is that it wasn't designed to get pictures, the pictures were just the best way to get the real information (finding out if the user was still using the machine). Moreover, I doubt you'd have hidden the fact if they asked, or left it there if they complained, or that they'd be upset about the images harvested. All of these things add up to making your operation a lot less invasive of privacy.

      Virg

    3. Re:Good reason for camera access by Vegemeister · · Score: 0

      Or, perhaps, they wanted to leave their work up overnight so that it would be ready in the morning. A PC in a personal office is effectively an single-user machine. It is a reasonable expectation that the UI state doesn't change when one isn't looking. OSs have become stable enough that a single session can reliably continue functioning for weeks. Why would you go and disrupt that?

    4. Re:Good reason for camera access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, that would happen from time to time... and destroying work is a bad thing... easy enough to say "tough shit, you should have saved your work and logged out... I have a job to do," but being the non-confrontational Boo Radley that I am, once I determined they weren't actually there, if anything other than a browser or pdf reader was running (invariably a word processor or spredsheet), I'd use Remote Desktop to log in as the user and make sure their work was saved. Annoying as hell, but far less annoying than listening to them bitch. I swear, if not for the users, this job would be great.

    5. Re:Good reason for camera access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The users were never aware of it. I am slightly annoyed at myself for leaving the binary on their machines when I left the job... a stupid security oversight, however, it could only be found by someone who knew to look in /usr/local/bin/ ... and anyone that knows to look there will of course, by definition, be an enlightened individual that would never use their powers for evil.

  40. Job opportunity by Combatso · · Score: 1

    Maybe he could work for the schoolboard now?

  41. For once I am glad I own a Dell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The blue LED on my laptop is blindingly bright...You sure as hell know when it is on.

  42. Pics or it didn't happen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just saying, where's the proof? :o)

  43. That's what I don't get either by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    That's what I don't get either when such a story comes up. Forget even strip clubs, it's not like there isn't an abundance of higher res images on the Internet if he wants to see naked women on his computer. So exactly what is it that makes yet another idiot break the law?

    I'm guessing it gives the idiot some kind of feeling of power or something.

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    1. Re:That's what I don't get either by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It's about them being normal women and forbiden fruit kind of a thing; just google amature and and one hit isn't porn on the first page, google amatuer and the results are the same.

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  44. Dunno about that by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    ... but I'm hoping soon he'll see "Inbred Cell-Mate Called Bubba Gone Horny And Wild". Since he likes shower scenes, I hope it'll involve picking the soap.

    Yes, I know it's not a nice thing to wish someone, but, WTH, the whole point is that I'm not wishing him a nice time.

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    1. Re:Dunno about that by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know it's not a nice thing to wish someone, but, WTH, the whole point is that I'm not wishing him a nice time.

      Why?

      I mean, just about everyone likes to look at nekkid chicks....(not the fat ones).

      :)

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    2. Re:Dunno about that by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 3

      Fat girls need love too :p

      On a semi-serious note what's up with attractive equaling super skinny? I like my women to actually look like women and not kids.

    3. Re:Dunno about that by jc42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On a semi-serious note what's up with attractive equaling super skinny? I like my women to actually look like women and not kids.

      The conventional explanation is that this is the standard in the fashion and advertising industries, and it's well known that those are dominated by gay men, who of course prefer women who look like boys. ;-)

      On a more serious note, if you look at any of the "men's" magazines -- Playboy, Hustler, etc. -- you'll see that their standard of female beauty is pretty much the average-size woman, neither skinny nor fat. They don't even select for especially large breasts, just for "full" breasts.

      And we can also go into the "scientific trivia" aspect: A number of studies have found that the most attractive image of either sex is very close to the average (in whatever society is polled). The most interesting is the surveys done by presenting a lot of photos of real people, mixed with computer-generated "average" images derived from N of the real-people photos, for varying values of N. The winners have been generally the images where N is large, i.e., a true "average" person among the set of photos.

      So if you reject both skinny and fat women, and prefer an average-looking woman, you're just a normal guy. Similarly for women's choices of attractive men.

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    4. Re:Dunno about that by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      On a semi-serious note what's up with attractive equaling super skinny? I like my women to actually look like women and not kids.

      Well, not super skinny, but I do prefer them to not be fat. I try to take care of myself, so I want a woman that does too.

      That and over the years I've found that after I get in any longer term relationship with a chick...she usually starts to plump up on me. I like to cook, eat and drink....and they usually do too.

      So, I find if I start with them skinny enough...when they gain a little..they'll be about right, and not fat.

      I don't want anorexic...but a slim waist and a nice ass and perky tits.....well, that turns me on. I don't think I"m totally alone in this.

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  45. Everyone's thinking this... by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

    Some I'm just going to come out and say it:

    rapidshare??

  46. are you kidding me? by rainmayun · · Score: 1

    But was he a good repairman?

    This right here is why many geeks will remain dateless. Good job, samzenpus.

  47. He had a website with software and photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless someone is trying to spoof him, someone with the same name claiming to be from Fullerton, CA had a website at http://trevorharwell.com. Alas, the site seems to be down/unresolvable for some reason (har!), but according to the Google Cache the pages included "Games", "Files", "Photos", "Blog", and "Software". Hmmm... I wonder what kind of photos?

  48. Victims? by pyrr · · Score: 0

    Of their own stupidity and ignorance, maybe.

    Except for the woman who finally blew the whistle. At least she was suspicious enough to get a second opinion rather than doing any fool thing the computer asked her to do without question. That the guy was able to obtain "thousands" of photos (which implies that this was likely going on for some time), and that some of the women took the computer into the bathroom while they showered makes me fear for the future of the human race just a little more than I did a few minutes ago.

  49. Has nothing to do with that by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has nothing to do with liking to see naked chicks. Sure, I like to see naked chicks too. I don't go install spyware on people's computers for that.

    Similarly we all like money, but most of us don't go empty someone's bank account with a keylogger or phishing site. And most of us like sex, but we don't give someone some *ahem* surprise sex. And most of us would like something bad to happen to that guy who was the school bully or to some cruel ex or idiot boss or whatever, but we don't go set their house on fire. Etc.

    Reducing it to liking or wanting something is ridiculously simplistic. The question isn't what he wanted, but how he went about that.

    And frankly, few things piss me off than the kind of person who's only kept from being a bully or a crook by not having the balls to do it IRL, but who turns into a bully or a crook as soon as there's a couple of routers between him and the victim. I don't have much respect for the former category to start with, but the kind who thinks he's so L33T for hiding behind the screen to do it, ranks even lower for me.

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  50. Macintosh specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was not behind the required 7 proxies...

  51. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no difference; a violation of privacy is still a violation of privacy. The difference is in one case it was a single pervert; in the other case it was a criminal conspiracy and all the perps should be jailed just like bunch of mobsters.

  52. Yeah, but that's exactly the point by Moraelin · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but that's exactly the point. You can just search google and get more than enough photos of chicks fitting any body ideal or fantasy one may have. "Amateur", skinny, fat, big boobs, small boobs, redhead, blonde, brunette, cheerleaders, goths, whatever you can imagine really.

    So exactly what makes a certain category of idiot prefer to be a crook or a bully to get the same?

    I mean, it's like having a public drinking fountain on one side of a road, and seeing someone shoplifting a bottle of water on the other side of the road. The question that comes to mind is: why?

    I can't say I know the answer, but it looks to me like the forbidden fruit was basically the illegal act, rather than the pics he got.

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    1. Re:Yeah, but that's exactly the point by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      It takes a special sort of deviance to translate being able to do something wrong into actually doing it, but there's frequently not much more to it than "because I could."

  53. Re:Mac? Women? by metlin · · Score: 2

    What are you talking about? Women using Mac are usually the hot and artsy/designer ones.

    The ones using Windows are the fat moms, and the ones using Linux are almost certainly the fat geeks.

  54. the good side of being a man by islon · · Score: 1

    that's why I like to be a man, nobody wants to see me naked

    1. Re:the good side of being a man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what YOU think.

      P.S. If it's true, it's because you're a land-whale, not because you're a man.

  55. Christian University says it all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a christian university.

  56. visual feedback by rich3rd · · Score: 1

    The original tubular Apple iSight camera had a three-piece mechanical iris lens cover made of white plastic that would open and close when the front bezel was twisted, in addition to the LED on top of the device. It was behind a glass cover, so there was absolutely no functional value to this "door" other than to let the user know that the camera could not possibly be looking at them when the device was switched off. I'm sure it must have added greatly to the cost of the camera, but Jobs and Co. must have thought inspiring a feeling of privacy and security in the user important enough to justify the cost. Once cameras got small and cheap enough to build into every machine, this method of visual feedback was dispensed with, at least on machines built by Apple. I have explained to countless Mac clients over the years that the light is indeed hard-wired to the camera and cannot be disabled, that after I get done configuring their machine it will be safe from any and all malware (assuming they do not change certain settings), yet if they still feel the least bit uneasy, a piece of tape or post-it note over the camera is nothing to be embarrassed about. After all, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...

  57. Wow by bi$hop · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry ... but If you're dumb enough to believe that you should subject your computer to steam AND dumb enough to believe that doing it naked in the shower is your only option -- as opposed to hitting your computer with a blast of steam from that button on your iron, or holding your computer next to your pot of brewing tea -- then you deserve what you got.

  58. Flamebait? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    This is certainly not flamebait, although it's nice to know you have friends who will abuse moderation on your behalf.

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    1. Re:Flamebait? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Those must be some very well hidden friends, then, because it's the first I heard of them. Why the conspiracy theory -- can't you just accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, you're wrong and your post seems trollish to enough people other than me and yourself?

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    2. Re:Flamebait? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why the conspiracy theory -- can't you just accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, you're wrong and your post seems trollish to enough people other than me and yourself?

      Troll is another mod. The comment was modded Flamebait. Your comment is invalid. Try again.

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  59. Easier Way to See Naked Women... by Rinnon · · Score: 1

    Doesn't he know there are MUCH easier ways to look at naked women using a computer?

  60. If he can't find porn online. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt he could fix a pc.

  61. Re:Mac? Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some Mac women were actually born as men, otherwise you are correct.

  62. But did he use F/LOSS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is important.

  63. Re:Mac? Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah - pics or it didn't happen

  64. You're an off topic troller drinkypoo but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to face the music here now and answer a simple question http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2225174&cid=36390518

  65. User doesnt know or care by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Don't these people know, that when the little green LED is on next to the camera there is something going on with the camera?

    Normal Mac users?

    No.

    You and a lot of other /. fanboys forget that the average Mac user bought a Mac because they swallowed the marketing and believed they would never have to think about what their computer is doing.

    This is why I cringe whenever a clueless user brings a Mac in, they expect that everything will magically work when Mac's don't get along with Windows domains or shares at all.

    At least when someone brings me a Linux machine, they normally understand that there's going to be some work involved on their part.

    I am surprised about all these secretly filmed students, thieves, women who have 1000s of pictures taken of them and never figured that GREEN LIGHT=CAMERA ON.....

    You've never done tech support for Mac users before. Oh hell, why just pick on Mac users, most users are that clueless.

    When the average Mac user when they see a green light on is "Awww, that's cute" . Nowhere in their mind is that actually linked to a function. Few users actually get the connection between the light that comes on when you press the power button, let alone the HDD activity LED.

    These are people who have no, nor want any knowledge on the internal workings of their machine.

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  66. Re:Mac? Women? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    What are you talking about? Women using Mac are usually the mentally unstable, clingy ones.

    there, fixed that for you.

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  67. Strange by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Why would a male who works with mac want to look at women? To be catty about her outfit that day?

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  68. Y R U avoiding a SIMPLE question, troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2225174&cid=36390518 Because it shows you for who & what you REALLY are, Linux troll?? Absolutely. Caught red-handed, with your pants down troll, lol!

  69. Pot calling the kettle black, troll? Why did you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Avoid this SIMPLE question then, troll? http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2225174&cid=36390518 Because it shows you for who & what you REALLY are, Linux troll?? Absolutely. Caught red-handed, with your pants down troll, lol!

  70. Fetish by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

    Maybe he had a fetish for women/men caught on hidden camera? There must be a fetish for that.

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  71. Re:Mac? Women? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The real surprise was that someone who is proficient enough with Macs to repair them would want to look at women.

    Obviously, it's an exception if the person doing the looking is a woman....

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  72. you guys are a bunch of jerks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys are a bunch of jerks, including the CWmike who posted the story, who asks "but was he a good repairman?"

    Beyond making fun of the "repairman" and alerting other readers to the fact that he could have been doing the same while working for a schoolboard, the rest of your comments are misogynistic if not worse. Keep them for the locker-room or the bar. Slashdot is cool and smart and fun in general. On this occasion it was crap from the very first post. Don't let CWike publish again please, I don't want his idiocy in my mailbox in the morning.

    disclosure: I am male and as such very capable of satiric, shocking, revolting and otherwise base retorts. I share those with my real-life friends.