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LulzSec Phone-Bombs FBI and Blizzard

Revotron writes "Anonymous hacker group LulzSec has begun to harness the power of the crowd in their latest griefing attempts. After a day of numerous DDoS attacks on a handful of famous MMOs, LulzSec's phone lines lit up with an estimated 20 calls per second. Using a fairly simple phone redirect, they sent all of their incoming calls to various offices, among them the FBI office in Detroit, Blizzard Customer Support, online retailer Magnets.com, and most recently, the corporate offices of HBGary." Update: It looks like they also brought down the CIA website tonight, but it is up now.

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  1. Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They've got balls of steel.

    1. Re:Balls of steel by enderjsv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doesn't take much courage to throw a rock into a window when you're wearing a ski mask and there's no one around.

    2. Re:Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BalzSac

    3. Re:Balls of steel by mykos · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they're all out of gum.

    4. Re:Balls of steel by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being behind a ski mask (7 proxies) doesn't really mean much unless you're outside the country, what with all the taps the NSA have, I'm sure if they wanted them gone it wouldn't take much.

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    5. Re:Balls of steel by enderjsv · · Score: 1

      I guess "outside the country" would be covered by "no one's around". Too vague? :)

    6. Re:Balls of steel by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Winner of Most used cliche for advocating violence.

    7. Re:Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hack websites and servers belonging to oppressive regimes

      USA?

    8. Re:Balls of steel by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Honore? Touche!

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    9. Re:Balls of steel by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Now they crashed Twitter.

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    10. Re:Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But no, they would rather punk on the defenseless.

      If the FB fucking I is defenseless then a lot of people need firing.

    11. Re:Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And nothing of value ...

    12. Re:Balls of steel by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i doubt it. The NSA had no idea about 9/11 and was unable to find bin laden for 10 years.

    13. Re:Balls of steel by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Or ... brains of mush.

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    14. Re:Balls of steel by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too vague. "no one's around" could be somewhere in Montana/{north|south} dakota/texas/etc...

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    15. Re:Balls of steel by moortak · · Score: 1

      Possibly the only time my sig will be relevant to a conversation.

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    16. Re:Balls of steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      9/11 was an unexpected attack. Lulzsec isn't exactly unexpected anymore and thus could be tracked easily by the NSA if a judge issued warrants to allow the appropriate domestic taps (and they presumably wouldn't need permission for tapping foreign nets).

      Also, bin laden was not exactly using the internet and conducting DDoS attacks and phone flooding. Much harder to track someone totally off the grid than it is to track someone abusing the grid...

      Either way, I doubt the NSA cares about Lulzsec.

    17. Re:Balls of steel by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      you are seriously trying to get people to believe the NSA would only look for bin laden in the middle east? Learn about how people can travel geographically you fucking septic prick.

    18. Re:Balls of steel by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      the NSA is suppose to be defending the US. It is in their charter to be all over intelligence like 9/11.

    19. Re:Balls of steel by Larryish · · Score: 1

      That is because Bin Laden died in late 2001 as a result of renal problems.

      We now return you to your regularly scheduled Fox News.

    20. Re:Balls of steel by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      9/11 was an unexpected attack.

      Google "Project Bojinka".

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    21. Re:Balls of steel by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      And brains of mush.

      Seriously, you get the short term lulz, followed by long term time behind bars for most of these guys. Not to mention that laws will get toughened, and people who fight cyber crime will get extra funs.

      Either these guys are really stupid, or they're CIA/FBI.

    22. Re:Balls of steel by lgw · · Score: 2

      The NSA was all over signals intelligence. The basic intelligence failure of 9/11 was human intelligence. We moved so far away from useful human intel the we were easy to blindside, mostly because, by executive order, the CIA stopped employing "bad people" as sources. Idealistic, but not very practical, and the best crypto skills in the world don't help much against plotters who never use electronics for planning.

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    23. Re:Balls of steel by Larryish · · Score: 1

      You might be right, my friend. :(

    24. Re:Balls of steel by X.25 · · Score: 1

      One might think they would eventually hack websites and servers belonging to oppressive regimes (I will purposefully not name any examples). But no, they would rather punk on the defenseless.

      Well, they are hacking (in one way or another) US government websites.

      So yes, they are eventually hacking websites and servers belonging to oppressive regimes.

    25. Re:Balls of steel by maugle · · Score: 1

      I still think it smells funny that we just so happen to dump him in the ocean after going "yep that's him, uh huh" with the excuse that "it'll become a shrine for terrorists". Uhhh...wouldn't that make them pretty damned easy to catch then? We'd know where they are, right by his grave.

      They're right, though. Any grave site would become a shrine and call-to-arms for militants and, sadly, we wouldn't be able to kill/imprison/tail everyone who visited it. So we couldn't hand the body over. We couldn't take the body back the USA either, because showing off his bullet-riddled corpse is just a half-step above dragging it through the streets, and would piss off way too many people/groups/nations. So really, dumping it in the ocean was the best of a set of bad options.

    26. Re:Balls of steel by Antonovich · · Score: 1

      Really you people! US government "enforcement" agencies have never cared a hoot about borders, rights or the law. They have, like a small group of other countries (supported by the US), never respected territorial integrity or international law. The CIA and other organisations have committed extra-judicial arrests, even executions, for decades. Sometimes we find out about it, sometimes we don't. No one inside the US cares - when you get terrorist attacks no one in the US ever mentions this sort of behaviour as a contributing factor. Let's get real - NOBODY hates freedom - it's just that when you insist people behave one way and then do whatever you want, people get fed up very quickly... LulzSec members would all be in Guantanamo (or the bottom of a lake) in a week if there was any real desire for it. They aren't actually causing any real trouble for the moment, so why do anything?

    27. Re:Balls of steel by anotheryak · · Score: 1

      If they're so tough, why do they hide under a rock?

    28. Re:Balls of steel by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      There's always this option of leaving a tail of 4 proxies way back, and forwarding all traffic back there, and looking just like another chainlink in the chain while some innocent chap sits at the computer at the last hop.

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    29. Re:Balls of steel by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      punk on the defenseless.

      FBI? CIA?

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    30. Re:Balls of steel by mcvos · · Score: 1

      But no, they would rather punk on the defenseless.

      Are you talking about LulzSec? I don't think I've heard from any attack on the defenseless by them. They attack mostly really big corporations and government agencies. If anyone should be able to defend themselves against such attacks, it's them.

    31. Re:Balls of steel by bcmm · · Score: 1

      with the excuse that "it'll become a shrine for terrorists".

      Note that Bin Laden hated shrines for religious reasons. Clearly, they were worried about all those terrorists who love Bin Laden, while disagreeing with him on religious matters.

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    32. Re:Balls of steel by stiggle · · Score: 2

      They'll just declare them a terrorist and then use rendition to ship them somewhere from anywhere, or if they're in the UK then the UK government will just roll over and ship them to the USA before asking "so what did you want them for?"

    33. Re:Balls of steel by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      Minecraft is a really big corporation now? That's like what, 10 people tops? So if someone comes into your neighborhood of 50 people and starts lighting houses on fire that's your own fault because that many people should be able to defend themselves?

    34. Re:Balls of steel by mcvos · · Score: 1

      You've got a good point with Minecraft. Obviously Minecraft is not comparable to Sony or the FBI.

    35. Re:Balls of steel by smelch · · Score: 1

      "If you're so tough, why can't I shoot you in the face?"

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    36. Re:Balls of steel by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of suggesting the next target be lulzsec, that would solve the problem for a little while at least.

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    37. Re:Balls of steel by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Its "kick ass or chew bubblegum". That's why Duke's original is funny.

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    38. Re:Balls of steel by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      i doubt it. The NSA had no idea about 9/11 and was unable to find bin laden for 10 years.

      Ha! That's exactly what they want you to think! We all know that Obama Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll up until a week before his so-called "death".

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    39. Re:Balls of steel by Chemtox · · Score: 1

      Exactly. After all, Bin Laden was using a hardened variant of IPoAC, the transmission method most resilient to wire tapping. His implementation further reduced attack vectors by 50% (namely, bread crumbs baiting), leaving his communications vulnerable only to the (curiously old) "shoot the carrier" approaches.

    40. Re:Balls of steel by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "If you're so tough, why can't I shoot you in the face?"

      Because I'd enjoy it, and I prefer pain. Now, you die.

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    41. Re:Balls of steel by Eulogistics · · Score: 1

      The point is that the National Security Agency was not assigned to look for Bin Laden at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

    42. Re:Balls of steel by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Right, because religious groups never disregard the words of their teacher in their zeal to "do the right thing"

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    43. Re:Balls of steel by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      9/11 was an unexpected attack

      Yeah, it's not like they tried to blow up the same damn building before. Oh wait.

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  2. first post by sneakyimp · · Score: 2

    Doesn't this make them griefers?

    1. Re:first post by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was... "interresting" in the start.
      But that has worn off long ago.
      They're not doing anything intelligent or justifiable; they're just bullies out to hurt easy targets.

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    2. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Their name is LulzSec, it was clear from the start that they were griefers.
      Anyone who did not realize that needs to read up on lulz.

    3. Re:first post by ALeavitt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that easy targets still exist in this day and age just goes to show that LulzSec does serve a purpose, even if you disagree with their methods.

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    4. Re:first post by cavreader · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And exactly what purpose is that? Launching indiscriminate DDOS attacks are child's play since almost everyone is vulnerable to this type of attack. The only purpose they are serving is to give the government more reasons to start trying to take control of content and access. These guys are nothing when compared against those responsible for Stuxnet. Now that required some intelligence and also served a good purpose.

    5. Re:first post by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Children in school yards are easy targets for rifles. That doesn't in any way imply we should shoot them for lulz.

      Neither is anything lulzsec does justified except by people with absolutely no sense of justice.

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    6. Re:first post by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thus anyone who breaks into your house and vandalizes it is serving a purpose, since they're demonstrating that your security could be better.

      What is the state of the art security to prevent being phone bombed other than by disconnecting your phone service? What security weakness are they revealing here?

    7. Re:first post by anotheryak · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. You've made the only intelligent argument in the thread today.

    8. Re:first post by SharpFang · · Score: 2

      Are you comparing the two most powerful intelligence/investigation agencies in the USA (CIA and FBI) to children in school yards? Seriously?

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    9. Re:first post by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Children in school yards are easy targets for rifles.

      Childrens' hyperactive and erratic nature in school yards combined with their relatively small stature makes them rather difficult targets for rifles.

      Adults in suits and lazy gamers make much easier targets.

      Well, to be honest, throwing candy bags which you've just injected with rat poison or something using an injection needle -- would leave only a negligibly small hole and thus be really easy to miss -- would work wonders.

      But well, that's besides the point. I personally agree with what was said a few comments up: just because something is easy it doesn't somehow become the right thing to do. Killing is easy. Harassing others is easy. Damaging property when there's no one around to stop you is easy. And you're still a douche if you do any of those. I'll be glad when lulzsec gets taken down.

    10. Re:first post by Xest · · Score: 1

      "they're just bullies out to hurt easy targets."

      Yeah, I know the FBI and CIA have made numerous major cock ups over the years, but calling them "easy targets"? that's a bit harsh isn't it?

    11. Re:first post by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Well, the weakness here is in the phone system, it's not in the victim side. Not that I'm support anything Anon/Lulzsec does.

    12. Re:first post by richlv · · Score: 1

      Children in school yards are easy targets for rifles.

      did you just compare fbi to children in schoolyards ?

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    13. Re:first post by Random2 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully my house isn't responsible for the intelligence and internal affairs of an entire nation. If it were, I'd be damn happy the only thing they did was vandalize my house.

      The company hacks were a bit uncalled for, but the government ones are important.

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    14. Re:first post by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You can't really compare murdering children with embarrassing large organisations over their poor security. I'm not justifying it, merely saying that Lulz Sec are not comparable to child murderers.

      I do find it useful to know which companies definitely cannot be trusted with my private details though. When you get such epic failures as Citibank you have to do everything you can to protect yourself.

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    15. Re:first post by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Troll said soft target. I compared soft targets.

      The entire point of the rebuttal was that "being a soft target" does not make for a valid target. That was of course the point I was rebuking.

      If you think there's some other reason the CIA should be attacked, feel free to state it. But "because they're a soft target" is idiotic.

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    16. Re:first post by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      As I said in my other reply, my point was in reply to

      The fact that easy targets still exist in this day and age just goes to show that LulzSec does serve a purpose, even if you disagree with their methods.

      State your response in context or its irrelevant.

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    17. Re:first post by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      gratz on the first post, to the posters however, i feel this sharing this kind of shit is not helping, if they do it for ego it shouldn't be encouraged, if they don't it doesn't matter (yes it does) only retards boast, it's a hormone thing, don't get sucked up in the vortex of success, it will inevitably go down and you will crash ... you want to stay out there (please tell me off like the ignoramant moron i am =)

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    18. Re:first post by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      I guess there are many, many reasons why it should... but "because they're a soft target" is not one of them. Arguably hether that's a good reason or not, definitely because they are not a soft target.

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    19. Re:first post by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      sharing this kind of news to the gp is harmful, whatever anyone is doing, it's never enough, but it shouldn't be based on coke-sniffin grey-hats

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    20. Re:first post by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      They're not embarrassing large corporations over their poor security. They're running DDoS attacks which anyone would find difficult to defend against.

    21. Re:first post by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Someone who breaks into the government's "house" and "vandalizes" it is in fact serving a purpose. It demonstrates that your tax dollars could be much better spent on more competent help.

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  3. False flag by mykos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't want to sound like a tinfoil hatter (even if I do), but something tells me that these guys are contracted by the government because supporters of the Patriot Act are thinning in numbers.

    1. Re:False flag by gnick · · Score: 2

      Probably right - I know that when I found out that magnets.com's phones were temporarily tied up, the first thing I did was write my congress critter asking him to tap every phone in the district.

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    2. Re:False flag by Restil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It makes perfect sense. They're children, looking for attention. And they're getting tons of it. I wouldn't go so far as to say news outlets should stop reporting on it, as that gets into censorship territory, and it IS newsworthy to a point, and yet if they knew that the only ones paying any attention to them were law enforcement, and the only reason they hadn't gotten caught yet is because they're waiting to collect enough evidence to ensure the sentences last multiple decades... maybe it would stop all on its own.

      As for being out of reach, NOBODY is out of reach. Even if a country is unlikely to allow extradition, consider the fact that if some small country was causing an abnormal amount of grief for the rest of the world, surrounding allies might consider cutting off all internet access to prevent it. Just something to consider.

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    3. Re:False flag by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

      I don't want to sound like a tinfoil hatter [...]

      "I'm not a racist, but..."

      [...] but something tells me that these guys are contracted by the government because supporters of the Patriot Act are thinning in numbers.

      That people may take advantage of a situation is not evidence that they are responsible, directly or indirectly, for that situation. Politicians are, if anything, opportunistic. Also, it's not like there's never been a group of assholes on the Internet making trouble for a bunch of people.

      Your conspiracy theory is just empty calories.

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    4. Re:False flag by mykos · · Score: 1

      I believe this is the first time, on the internet or otherwise, that someone implied that I was racist after taking a completely unrelated statement out of context. I implore you to read more than half of my sentence.

    5. Re:False flag by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Woosh?

      Hint: he's not saying anything about racism. He's bitching about the whole "I'm not X, but..." construct.

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    6. Re:False flag by OctaviusIII · · Score: 1

      You definitely do. Tangentially linking the two things because they're related is the nature of tinfoil-hat thinking.

      A good way to examine whether a theory is nutty or serious is to think about the end you're purporting the government is trying to achieve, and think of the best and simplest way they could achieve that. In this instance, a far better thing to do would be to tout a how authorities narrowly thwarted a major attack on a well-known, beloved landmark, and toss in a detail or two about wiretaps. Ensure security hawks know the details, that security doves sound silly, and let the campaign shake out as it always does. Hiring hackers is too risky, and too fringe, to shift public opinion, not to mention far removed from the center of opinion. Something tells me your hunch is wearing a particularly shiny hat.

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    7. Re:False flag by creat3d · · Score: 1

      That's what they WANT you to think!

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    8. Re:False flag by westlake · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't want to sound like a tinfoil hatter (even if I do), but something tells me that these guys are contracted by the government because supporters of the Patriot Act are thinning in numbers.

      LulzSec has been rapidly escalating its campaigns since the legislation has been passed. It was not on anyone's radar during the debate in Congress.

      May 27, 2011:

      Overcoming objections from a bipartisan clutch of libertarian-minded lawmakers, the legislation passed the Senate, 72 to 23, and the House, 250 to 153.

      Senator Rand Paul won a small battle with his opposition to the Patriot Act by reaching a deal with Congressional leadership to add votes on two amendments, one of which would exempt some gun records from government searches.

      That was the score late Thursday afternoon following Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) announcement that after days of grueling debate over the renewal of three key Patriot Act provisions, Senate leaders had reached a deal on allowing votes on two amendments proposed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).

      Under the agreement, announced less than nine hours before the law currently extending the Patriot Act provisions was to expire, the Senate would vote on two amendments proposed by Paul: one that would limit "suspicious activity" reporting requirements under the Act to requests from law enforcement agencies, and another -- the one that had seen the greatest opposition from Reid -- that would exempt certain gun records from being searched under the counterterrorism surveillance law.

      The victory for Paul wasn't so much that either of his amendments would pass -- in fact, both fell well short of the 60-vote threshold necessary for approval, with the gun-rights amendment receiving the support of only 10 senators.

      Rather, it was that after days of vowing to block the passage of the Patriot Act extension -- even at the risk of missing Thursday's deadline -- Paul, a tea-party freshman who has served in the Senate for less than five months, was granted votes on his two amendments.

      Patriot Act extension signed into law despite bipartisan resistance in Congress

    9. Re:False flag by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

      I believe this is the first time, on the internet or otherwise, that someone implied that I was racist after taking a completely unrelated statement out of context.

      X0563511 got it. If you don't want to sound like X, then just don't say the thing that you think will make you sound like X. If you're going to make the statement anyway, spare us the useless preface and either 1) expend a little effort to support your claim, or 2) accept your outward appearance.

      I implore you to read more than half of my sentence.

      And here I thought that my response to that other half of your sentence would have been sufficient evidence of my having done as you suggested. Ignoring evidence? Conjuring up fantasies? Nope; not a tinfoil hatter at all...

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    10. Re:False flag by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The FBI might have limitations but the NSA certainly does not.

    11. Re:False flag by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      if they knew that the only ones paying any attention to them were law enforcement, and the only reason they hadn't gotten caught yet is because they're waiting to collect enough evidence to ensure the sentences last multiple decades... maybe it would stop all on its own.

      they're screwing with the CIA now. They can only be killed in their sleep once.

    12. Re:False flag by mykos · · Score: 1

      Not that it wouldn't be anything new: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    13. Re:False flag by Erie+Ed · · Score: 1

      Oh come on now this is the 21st century as soon as we get their location we will just send in a reaper or predator and drop 500lbs bombs on them for the lulz.

    14. Re:False flag by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      Nice idea, and I am sure the government will try to use this that way, but no... they absolutely do not work for the US Government. They are illustrating a very important point and for a good reason. Just keep an open mind, open ears, sit back, and observe this educational demonstration for the human race. You are welcome to participate, but keep in mind that the only rule is that once you are "in" the "game" there are no rules except that you cannot leave "the game".

    15. Re:False flag by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      I don't want to sound like a tinfoil hatter (even if I do), but something tells me that these guys are contracted by the government because supporters of the Patriot Act are thinning in numbers.

      That's what they want you to think ...

    16. Re:False flag by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you wish for.

      Very, very careful.

    17. Re:False flag by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      the only reason they hadn't gotten caught yet is because they're waiting to collect enough evidence to ensure the sentences last multiple decades

      Yeah, the FBI usually just sit by watching their web site and phone systems get trashed, while trying to ignore the pleas from multinational multi-billion dollar companies who are losing millions due to data breeches. They are probably waiting for Lulz Sec to fax a copy of Obama's ass to every machine in the country before making a move.

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    18. Re:False flag by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The government or law enforcement agencies do not necessarily need to track the source of these attacks by scouring the internet looking for any footprints left behind. They are more likely to recruit someone to infiltrate groups like these and gather information from the people participating in the attacks. The enforcement agencies can set up the agent to pull off a noteworthy infiltration to get peoples attention and work from there. The most useful intelligence today is still culled from people rather than technological sources. Even most of the malware attacks today rely on social engineering and user actions to initiate the attack process.

    19. Re:False flag by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      it's not like there's never been a group of assholes on the Internet making trouble for a bunch of people.

      That's pretty much a definition of the internet: lulz and porn.

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  4. Wankers by EQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So screwing over WOW players trying to get customer support is now "justice"? What a bunch of wankers.

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    1. Re:Wankers by gclef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Justice? I don't think they were ever about justice. Their name says it all: they're in it for the lulz.

    2. Re:Wankers by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      I do not think justice has ever been a goal. They are in it for the lulz. The way to attract their attention is to complain about what they're doing. I'm amused, but have no feeling that much of what they're doing is morally justified in any way. I will be similarly amused (and a bit impressed) if they're caught.

    3. Re:Wankers by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot circa 1999: "Free Kevin Mitnick!"
      Slashdot circa 2011: "These damn hackers are interfering with my WoW time."

    4. Re:Wankers by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So screwing over WOW players trying to get customer support is now "justice"? What a bunch of wankers.

      Can we stop giving these jokers the attention they crave for every little idiotic stunt they pull? Every 10th story seems to be about LulzSec. I'm not really sure it's even news anymore. These guys are like internet trolls and will continue until they either don't get the attention they want or they get their asses arrested.

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    5. Re:Wankers by OverlordQ · · Score: 2

      There's a big difference between what Mitnick did and mass disruption of services

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    6. Re:Wankers by Znork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Frankly, with the latest series of indiscriminate attacks it's starting to look less like griefers run amok and more like false-flag psyops run to reduce support for hacktivism through guilt-by-association and create fertile grounds for some new draconian legislation.

    7. Re:Wankers by Dark4Sorrow · · Score: 1

      Lulzsec isn't doing anything for "justice" or any other higher call for morality. It's all for the lulz.

    8. Re:Wankers by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks more like a riot, to me. Except on the internet.

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    9. Re:Wankers by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Wrong. In 1999, the hacker (as defined in the Jargon File) ethic was widespread on Slashdot, whereas these days the site is occupied primarily by dilettante gadget consumers.

    10. Re:Wankers by mckorr · · Score: 1

      That will be their name after Homeland Security tosses them in prison. It's not rocket science. Fuck with corporations, they pay politicians, laws get passed, profit. Fuck with the US Senate, the FBI, they _find_ you. And you know very well the US doesn't care about jurisdiction.

    11. Re:Wankers by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a dilettante gadget consumer with a 4-digit user ID, I resent that.

    12. Re:Wankers by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      agreed, i bet that less than 1 in 5 iphones and ipod touch's owned by slashdotters is jailbroken

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    13. Re:Wankers by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      Granted that's obviously true for most of them but I'm sure that SOME members of the FBI must be interested in justice. Okay, maybe not.

      Point taken, and agreed with. :-)

    14. Re:Wankers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whose Kevin Mitnick? That dude from War Games?

    15. Re:Wankers by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      It shocks me how many geeks seem to support these obvious acts of bullying.

      Its wrong, no matter who its done to.

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    16. Re:Wankers by cavreader · · Score: 2

      But both actions are illegal and look at the sentence Mitnick got handed and this was back in time before the Internet was on any governments priority list. The laws and sentences have been increasing rapidly since then with little or no complaints from anyone except those who get caught.

    17. Re:Wankers by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      At what point did Mitnick take down any network you were trying to use for fun or profit?

      Mitnick was also a real hacker -- he could tweak code to serve him without being detected most of the time.

      From a criminal perspective:
      Lulzsec: breaking someone's house down with a rocket launcher
      Mitnick: sneaking past your security system in broad daylight and memorizing your diary then getting out without leaving fingerprints

      Watching other peoples' lives and work blow up might be fun, but both irresponsible and immature.

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    18. Re:Wankers by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The vast number of malware attacks today are Social Engineered.

    19. Re:Wankers by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      Social engineering is just as viable and acceptable a tactic as any. It can also save time if the targets are fooled easily enough, like with HBGary:
      Cracker: What's the password?
      Local Sys Admin: Imadoofus
      Cracker: K thx. cracks system wide open

    20. Re:Wankers by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Gotta get onto T-Mobile somehow ;)

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    21. Re:Wankers by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Except PLEASE post the story the first time one of these arrogant, maladjusted little fuckers is caught and locked away for 10-20. I definitely want to read about that. These asinine attacks? Yeah, not so much.

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    22. Re:Wankers by jv+lee · · Score: 2

      Frankly, with the latest series of indiscriminate attacks it's starting to look less like griefers run amok and more like false-flag psyops run to reduce support for hacktivism through guilt-by-association and create fertile grounds for some new draconian legislation.

      This would have to be one of the most sophisticated false-flag ops in history, considering how accurately they've managed to nail the subtle nuances of /b/tardism, down to appropriately asinine attacks on video game servers and porn sites that no one but a complete loser of the truest stripe could even imagine considering worth the effort. And all that for so little gain. It defies logic to think that anyone would attempt to deceptively mimmic the MO of 4chan rejects liks LulzSec, whom the mass majority of people couldn't even hope to understand without years of experience in dealing with the type of depraved juvenility they exemplify, when there are so many far more effective foreign boogymen on which to lay blame.

    23. Re:Wankers by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      No.... People have become complacent and instead of doing useful things with their time, like taking an active hand in their government, they are spending their time being pseudo-entertained in a digital world where nothing they do ultimately matters or benefits anyone. Furthermore, they are paying for this privilege. That money is being used for unjust things. Also, the information (think data mining) collected from observing the actions of MMO players is quite useful for many things, as it accurately models many facets of human society. It is a way to get people to be honest about how they would really prefer to act in a given situation than how they feel they have to act because of social reprisal. This is just one thing which can be learned. This information is not being used for the betterment of the human species. It is being used to generate profit, consolidate power, and exert control.

    24. Re:Wankers by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      No.... People have become complacent and instead of doing useful things with their time, like taking an active hand in their government, they are spending their time being pseudo-entertained in a digital world where nothing they do ultimately matters or benefits anyone. Furthermore, they are paying for this privilege. That money is being used for unjust things. Also, the information (think data mining) collected from observing the actions of MMO players is quite useful for many things, as it accurately models many facets of human society. It is a way to get people to be honest about how they would really prefer to act in a given situation than how they feel they have to act because of social reprisal. This is just one thing which can be learned. This information is not being used for the betterment of the human species. It is being used to generate profit, consolidate power, and exert control.

    25. Re:Wankers by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1

      You seem to be missing a whoosh. Here, have this one:

      Whoosh!

    26. Re:Wankers by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Actually the main problem with Mitnick was that a lot of people felt the punishment did not fit the crime.

      For one thing, despite egg on their faces, and the copying of some digital data, I don't think he directly impacted the lives of anyone (except perhaps those directly involved in his Social Hacks, and even then, only at their performance reviews). LulzSec on the other hand seems to aim for high profile/high impact targets.

      If the people behind LulzSec were caught and sentenced to 50-Life, you might see a very different reaction on SlashDot to what you're seeing now. People may want them caught and punished, but if the punishment was "excessive" (a nebulous term), then public sentiment would easily shift to "but what harm did they really do?". So long as they continue to impact peoples lives, and receive no karma payback for it, people will reset them. Works the same way with government leaders also. Why do you think people enjoy a good political scandal and want to "vote out the bums"?

      Mitnick also seems to have grown.
      He now runs Mitnick Security Consulting LLC, a computer security consultancy. (at least according to Wikipedia), and he has written two Security books, with an autobiography due out this year.

      I eagerly look forward to LulzSec's Autobiography.

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    27. Re:Wankers by The+Moof · · Score: 2

      You're entirely missing the point with Mitnick - he was held without trial for an unreasonable amount of time: four and a half years. He was deemed a "threat" to global security (literally, a judge said he could "start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone"). Yea, it's absurd, we all knew it, and that's why people rallied behind Mitnick. Not because they just arrested a hacker.

      Not to mention that these are large scale attacks intended to piss people off and cripple systems. Mitnick just gained access. The comparison isn't even close.

    28. Re:Wankers by Borland · · Score: 1

      "Frankly, with the latest series of indiscriminate attacks it's starting to look less like griefers run amok and more like false-flag psyops run to reduce support for hacktivism through guilt-by-association and create fertile grounds for some new draconian legislation."

      Actually, your post is more of a false-flag psyops designed to discredit the fact that they are petty dickhead hackers with too much time and lulz. Jeebus, the government does some pretty bad shit, but pissing off gamers and hitting a few minor govt sites isn't going to have the same effect as say...hitting the stock market servers.

      So if you're going to engage in paranoid delusion, at least ramp it up 9/11 truther style to something that causes FEAR. Take it to an 11 man.

    29. Re:Wankers by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly Mitnick was not a very nice guy, and a bit of a poser. Most of his hacks were based off of other peoples (LOD) and not his own. I didn't really care for him as a person or hacker, but I did feel he got the short end of the stick. LulzSec reminds me a bit of Mitnick from a personality point of view, and a simplicity of attack point of view. There's doing it because it's fun and interesting, and then there's doing it because you think you're cool and need to brag about how l33t you are. A collection of script kiddies will always be a collection of script kiddies, no matter how big a news splash they make.

    30. Re:Wankers by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I missed nothing sport. You think these posers today will be treated any differently then Mitnik if caught? If anything it will be worse. The department of HomeLand Security will see to that. And an attack is an attack. Whether for fun or profit the people executing these attacks to "piss off people" will be surprised at the draconian penalties thrown their way if caught. I am not saying it is fair but when has fairness ever mattered? People will pitch a fit and rage about the injustice of it all and we will finally start getting some entertainment value out of the whole episode.

    31. Re:Wankers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I do not think justice has ever been a goal. They are in it for the lulz.

      Granted that's obviously true for most of them but I'm sure that SOME members of the FBI must be interested in justice. Okay, maybe not.

      I see what you did there.

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    32. Re:Wankers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Frankly, with the latest series of indiscriminate attacks it's starting to look less like griefers run amok and more like false-flag psyops run to reduce support for hacktivism through guilt-by-association and create fertile grounds for some new draconian legislation.

      Thank you for mentioning the big elephant in the room that no one else seems to want to bring up.

      Apart from all the tinfoil hat wearers here who have already mentioned that big elephant, of course.

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    33. Re:Wankers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Looks more like a riot, to me. Except on the internet.

      Riots have a point to them though.

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  5. cia.gov by Huluvu · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:cia.gov by hannson · · Score: 1

      All I have to say is "lulz". I can haz lulzworthy?

    2. Re:cia.gov by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Is there really a point in linking to http://t.co/2QGXy6f instead of http://cia.gov? I guess URL lengtheners are the new trend?

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  6. Coincidence? by saintory · · Score: 1

    I was sitting in our office when all of a sudden all the phones in the office rang at the same time. The number that came up was 800.555.1212, or 800-Directory Assistance. Since there are only a handful of us in the office today, it was ironic that only a few of us experienced it. According to our phone clocks, this happened about 2:55PM EDT. That's a little off from the article report time of attack but is it merely a coincidence? I'm curious if any other Slashdotters out there experienced this same phenomenon today.

    1. Re:Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Their newest target as of 3:00 PM ET? HBGary.

      Aha.

    2. Re:Coincidence? by saintory · · Score: 1

      So can I infer that all my calls are going through an HBGary trunk? Interesting...

    3. Re:Coincidence? by saintory · · Score: 2

      Since there are only a handful of us in the office today, it was ironic that only a few of us experienced it.

      No, it was not.

      I concede that it was not ironic at all.

    4. Re:Coincidence? by Grail · · Score: 1

      Ironic would be if you set up a firewall on the PABX to prevent Lulzsec performing a DDoS on your call centre, but then a major disaster occurred and half the people trying to call you for help weren't able to get through because of your firewall.

      Ironic would be if you were participating in the Lulzsec DDoS and ended up taking out your own services.

      Ironic would be writing a song titled "Ironic" which proceeds to describe a whole raft of scenarios which are actually not irony at all.

      What you experienced was neither irony nor coincidence. What you experienced was simply as would be expected in the scenario that occurred.

    5. Re:Coincidence? by BigSes · · Score: 1

      Yes, the whole world did, Job just made it into the mainframe. Its the sound of his birthcry.

  7. Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Anonymous hacker group"...with phone lines? Does not compute.

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Most likely they're using a collection of hacked Asterisk servers or other such IP PBX systems. They may have a "line", but I seriously doubt it was ever theirs to begin with.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      "Anonymous hacker group"...with phone lines? Does not compute.

      Voice Over IP is a wonderful thing.
      They've probably got a hacked/donated VOIP PBX and are routing everything through that.

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    3. Re:Wait a minute... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. You don't even need all that much horsepower to call that many people at once.

      Now, to actually -talk- to them is another story, but all it takes is a SIP Invite to ring the phone.

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    4. Re:Wait a minute... by qubezz · · Score: 1

      It would appear they are using the call routing/forwarding feature of Global Crossing's VoIP service, the phone number is their Harrisburg OH point of access. The clever bit is getting the phone number 614-LULZSEC, since 614-585-xxxx is a Global Crossing block.

    5. Re:Wait a minute... by MasterOfMagic · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of a well-equipped Asterisk server: all of the convenience of direct SS7 access with none of that pesky paper trail!

  8. This has gotten crazy by makubesu · · Score: 2

    These fiends have gone to far. Quick, someone turn on the internet bat signal!

    1. Re:This has gotten crazy by Caratted · · Score: 1

      It probably went on, at full capacity about 10 minutes ago - cia.gov is down and per their tweet it's their DDoS. Act of war, any one?

    2. Re:This has gotten crazy by alostpacket · · Score: 2

      Buffering...

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    3. Re:This has gotten crazy by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Nobody needs to, these idiots will be caught and it won't be long. It amazes me that time after time some punk who watched Hackers a few too many times thinks he's going to be able to do something like this and that the (grown up) professionals who have worked in the field for 30 years, are paid $100k-$250k a year, and who have huge resources behind them somehow magically _won't_ be able to track them down. Rank idiocy.

    4. Re:This has gotten crazy by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      No disrespect to you, because I think a few years back, this was a very relevant criticism. People like MafiaBoy were making a single splash, then promptly put behind bars without much delay.

      Natural selection has largely removed those type of cyber vandals from the populace. What remains are the smarter hooligans who have learned from the failures of others how to properly cover their tracks.

      The weakest link in any group of criminals is the group itself. In this case, I suspect the members have intentionally maintained anonymity between themselves. This will insulate their group from any member that might become compromised by law enforcement and/or promises of rewards.

      Seth

    5. Re:This has gotten crazy by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I always thought the ending of Hackers the most unbelievable part. So they admit to hacking a oil companies mainframe, and they are let go? Yeah right, they would get the cell next to The Plague.

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  9. Black Hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seems like if I were a serious Black Hat and not just some anonymous/lulzsec script kiddie, I wouldn't welcome the unwanted attention drawn towards internet security. It might not be a good thing to anger both sides of the fence.

  10. And in other news by ideaz · · Score: 1

    the LulzSec manages to get its daily scoop of attention on SlashDot.

    I wonder if we could have a new section on the left for them now.

    1. Re:And in other news by Dinghy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would you prefer another BitCoin story?

    2. Re:And in other news by ideaz · · Score: 1

      Book reviews are better. I can simply ignore them without worrying the news content I'm missing on.

    3. Re:And in other news by hort_wort · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. I haven't seen so many duplicate topics since Android was coming out.

    4. Re:And in other news by qubezz · · Score: 1

      Hey the editors are now showing restraint, at least when the story is a guy getting $500,000 of bitcoins stolen....

    5. Re:And in other news by daid303 · · Score: 1

      How could you forget the wave of apple/iphone related stories?

  11. Possible? by Jibekn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we use mod points to try and get an article off the first page? please? LulzSec stuff should never hit front page on principle.

    1. Re:Possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's called the firehose.

    2. Re:Possible? by discord5 · · Score: 1

      It's called the firehose.

      Ah yes, imagine having an editor pick the best of a few articles each day and spend some time reading them, perhaps adding some value. Now we have another slashdot system to game.

    3. Re:Possible? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What principle is that? The LALALALAICANTHEARYOU principle?

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    4. Re:Possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Do Not Feed the Trolls principle.

    5. Re:Possible? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      the principle of authoritarian fuckwaddery?

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    6. Re:Possible? by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      You are mistaken. Here, I have a song to aid in your re-education: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApsVWUGcnqg&feature=related

    7. Re:Possible? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      You flatter Slashdot. I can see them now, using their bot hordes to slashdot Slashdot to be the first to see their latest crimes posted and comment on them before anyone else. Yeah....

      The principle of not feeding trolls is context-sensitive. They aren't trolling Slashdot, they're trolling the world. Truth is the best weapon against them.

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    8. Re:Possible? by iainl · · Score: 1

      Probably the same principle that says "don't feed the trolls".

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    9. Re:Possible? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      are you saying that phone bombing fbi and taking down cia.gov(website) isn't newsworthy?

      CIA's website is working fine for me. They're not really good at it apparently. I've seen better attacks against Dalnet that took them out for over a month and that was with ISP supported systems with numerous black holes put in place to prevent the attacks.

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  12. I miss wikileaks by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    what's SCO up to these days?

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    1. Re:I miss wikileaks by Restil · · Score: 1

      It's summer time in Texas. I might be more receptive to the global warming articles now.

      -Restil

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    2. Re:I miss wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple has drm.

    3. Re:I miss wikileaks by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      *prods SCO with foot*

      Yep, still dead...no story there. Unless we can get a 10 year anniversary or something...

  13. Re:Phreak-a-diddle-doo by MoldySpore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Call them Lord Nikon. The King of Nynex.

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  14. lulzsec by aahpandasrun · · Score: 1

    I, of course, do not condone the actions of LulzSec. However, they represents the true spirit of what 4chan was always about before so called "Anonymous" hijacked our name and took things way too seriously. Anyone remember the Internet Hate Machine video? It was a joke. The most dastardly thing /btards had done at that point was prank call Tom Green. Before letterhead and newsletters, before stupid legion, it was always about just fucking around and having fun. While this is taking things too far, obviously, it is fun to sit on the sidelines and watch.

  15. Great, I can see where this is going... by cjb658 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Lawmakers today announced new legislation that will take away more of our civil liberties, in response to recent attacks by the groups LulzSec and Anonymous."

    1. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What "civil liberties" are you worried about losing? I'm not aware of any that explicitly grant you the ability to phone-bomb some organization. Are you still pissed that you cannot send spam faxes to people?

    2. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      What "civil liberties" are you worried about losing? I'm not aware of any that explicitly grant you the ability to phone-bomb some organization. Are you still pissed that you cannot send spam faxes to people?

      How about legislation that requires telephony providers to provide call detail and subscriber records to law enforcement on demand?

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    3. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not generally the offense that's the problem, it's the investigative techniques involved. Nobody had an issue with the NSA investigating terrorism, but most of us have a problem when they claim to need warrantless wiretaps and the CIA need for black sites to do interrogations.

    4. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      and that'd be 100% on said lawmakers. they could say it was in response to *anything*, but in the end, they'd be the ones taking away said liberties/rights/etc. it's like blaming the wife of an abusive husband.

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    5. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by firewrought · · Score: 2

      What "civil liberties" are you worried about losing? I'm not aware of any that explicitly grant you the ability to phone-bomb some organization.

      How about the liberty to build software? You must be pretty naive to not see the connection between threat and legislative response, between legislation and executive power, between power and government encroachment, and between encroachment and abuse*. Try reading a wide variety of news sources for 1 or 2 years and you'll wise up.

      *Footnote: If you're one of those types that thinks government should have all the tools it wants to control individuals but none whatsoever to regulate to businesses, substitute "stifling bureaucracy" for "abuse"... the fruits of accumulated power are bad all around.

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    6. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by memnock · · Score: 1

      This plays well for the conspiratorial: the government is behind LulzSec. People get their panties in a bunch about LulzSec antics and the government looks like they're doing the right thing by increasing monitoring, restricting access, etc. Although I think the government might come up with a better false flag if it really wants to tighten the screws.

    7. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      It's not generally the offense that's the problem, it's the investigative techniques involved. Nobody had an issue with the NSA investigating terrorism, but most of us have a problem when they claim to need warrantless wiretaps and the CIA need for black sites to do interrogations.

      And with these already happening, what exactly other liberties are lost?

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    8. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      "Back when I was young, the Internet was free and open. We had anonymity and could be anyone we wanted. Then these idiots screwed it up for everyone, and in the name of a few lulz, destroyed our future possibilities. That's why you have to use your citizen card to access the library Internet."

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    9. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by cavreader · · Score: 1

      What civil liberties have we lost? These attacks are just the electroinc version of vandalism.

    10. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by atgaaa · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know where you live, but in the United States, we believe rights are inherent to all human beings. Rights are not "ganted".

    11. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      How about the liberty to build software?

      I mentioned that the future of computing with further walled gardens is that compilers (and programmers) are licensed by the state. Looks like the EU will beat us to that punch.

    12. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by thetartanavenger · · Score: 1

      What "civil liberties" are you worried about losing?

      The ones they'll decide they need to track down said phone-bomb organisations

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    13. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else think that lulzsec might be a false flag operation aiming exactly at spreading FUD to spend billions in "cyber defense" ?

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    14. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And all LulzSec is doing is violating other people's rights, such as the right to enjoy your property without it being broken into, copied, and posted in public for all to see.

      Your right to swing your fist does not permit you to punch me without consequences. Your right to free speech does not permit you to slander me without consequences. Your right to free activity on the internet does not permit you to interfere with my activity on the internet.

      Any government action taken against LulzSec will be taken in defense of the rights inherent to all human beings. I for one cannot wait to see these smug cowards forced to stand up in court and take responsibility for their sociopathic behavior.

    15. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Syberz · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that's he's not worried about losing his right to phone-bomb. Rather, he's worried about the fact that the authorities will be allowed to tap his phone, access his computer and arrest him all without a shred of evidence and because they think that he *might* be doing something illegal like.

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    16. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Combatso · · Score: 1

      IRights are not "ganted".

      ...but are often taken for granted.

    17. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by gsslay · · Score: 3, Informative

      What "civil liberties" are you worried about losing? I'm not aware of any that explicitly grant you the ability to phone-bomb some organization.

      The problem is not what is being legislated against, but how it is legislated. Are you unfamiliar with government thinking in cases like these?

      "This phone-bombing was performed by unidentified people with a phone line, therefore we shall make it illegal to use a phone without first routing it through a government controlled call-centre and informing it who you are, where you are, who you are going to phone, and for what reason. Problem solved. The innocent have nothing to fear. Anyone complaining their civil liberties are being removed must have something to hide."

    18. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you live, but in the United States, we believe rights are inherent to all human beings. Rights are not "ganted".

      Don't know where you got that from. I understood that in the US, rights were actually granted to you in bills. Such as "The bill of rights".

      But, as I'm apparently wrong on this, could provide more precise information on the matter?

      Google isn't being very helpful on finding your source material for me.

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    19. Re:Great, I can see where this is going... by Gryle · · Score: 2
      I am not a political theorist by any means, but I'll take a swing at this The US concept of "inherent rights" derives from the philosophies of Enlightenment-era philosophers such as Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Thomas Paine. Wikipedia has a pretty good article natural rights vs legal rights here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

      In US political theory, the Declaration of Independence carries a significant amount of weight, because it publicly stated on what philosophical and moral grounds the North American colonies felt justified in breaking away from the British Empire. From the second paragraph:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed....

      After the US colonies gained independence, they tried something called the Article of Confederation, which was an absolute disaster. So all the Founding Fathers got together to figure out a way to create a system of governance that held true to the principles they had laid out in the Declaration of Independence When they sat down to write the Constitution was written, they intended it to be lens through which the law was viewed (except for Jefferson, who thought it should be rewritten every few years to reflect the prevailing attitudes of the times). However when they got done writing the thing, they realized that, while they do indeed have "certain unalienable Rights", without clarification governments on down the lines could easily say "show me where free speech is a right". Thus, they added the Bill of Rights to clearly define what they felt these natural, inalienable rights were. For further education, start with the Wikipedia pages on the US Bill of Rights, the US Declaration of Independence, and the above-posted link on natural vs legal rights

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  16. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Paul+Bain · · Score: 1

    LulzSec's disabling of the CIA's website (CIA.gov) is currently being discussed on ZeroHedge: LulzSec Takes Down Cia.gov One thing is certain. The crackers in LulzSec are damned good, OR they have considerable "inside" help at the CIA and FBI. Or BOTH!!

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  17. Isn't this along the same lines as... by Rivalz · · Score: 2

    Isn't this along the same line as causing a traffic jam at a busy intersect just to say hay you should have a police officer watching every traffic corner?
    Maybe I'm missing the point but mostly they just seem to cause petty disturbances. Are they trying to make it so companies have to weigh every new venture they role out with the thought of risk vs reward?
    I always wanted to be a person who achieves something not someone that goes over to the next guys sand castle and kicks it down and says damn should have made that sucker hurricane proof. Better luck next time.

    I'm just surprised these guys don't naturally just turn on each other over time.

    1. Re:Isn't this along the same lines as... by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I'm just surprised these guys don't naturally just turn on each other over time.

      They will..

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    2. Re:Isn't this along the same lines as... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I'm just surprised these guys don't naturally just turn on each other over time.

      Without any principles/program/ideology but "doing it for the lulz" (i.e. nothing to argue about), where's the motivation to turn each other?

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  18. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing is certain. The crackers in LulzSec are damned good, OR they have considerable "inside" help at the CIA and FBI. Or BOTH!!

    Or the CIA doesn't use the public facing web server for anything important, so they didn't bother securing it very well.

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  19. Next /. article of LulzSec by csumpi · · Score: 1

    better by their mugshots. This is getting annoying. At this point they pissed lots of people off, someone will find them.

  20. hackers? really? by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    Does anyone honestly believe that LulzSec is anything other that some government agency. They're clearly trying to piss off the general public... and to what purpose? Support for some key upcoming regulatory changes to the internet?

    1. Re:hackers? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On a cursory analysis, LulzSec apparently have employed massive amounts of resources and skills in a pretty much blinding amount of time and have media complicity of being invariably mentioned in the same breath as Anonymous so as to disparage both names. Meanwhile, Anonymous has struggled in vein to get straight media coverage anywhere near the same extent while doing much more actual (and effective) blackhat ops for a far longer amount of time. Also note the LulzSec name alone has military jargon embedded in its damn marketing (air force anyone?). So the evidence is heavy in favor of your theory.

      For instance, to the average public: "I do not know what say PROTECT IP means but it sure sounds like something I would support if it stopped these horrible 14 yro boys in LulzSec from making me unable to access the cia.gov site!"

    2. Re:hackers? really? by Torodung · · Score: 1

      When the prominent drumbeat hits the major news agencies, and is on the front page of print-dinosaur-buggy-whip newspapers, I'll buy into that one. Until then, seriously, it's making the front page of Slashdot. Nobody is going to sway public opinion with that. ;^)

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    3. Re:hackers? really? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/06/16/cia.website.hacker/index.html?hpt=te_bn3+
      http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/hackers-break-into-senategov-web-site.html
      http://techland.time.com/2011/06/15/hackers-claim-to-sting-cia-website-attack-senate-site-again/
      http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sc-dc-0616-cia-hacker-20110616,0,3833205.story
      http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/06/15/testing-the-limits-lulzsec-takes-down-cias-website/

    4. Re:hackers? really? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Another brilliant theory backed by what, exactly? The human brain generally connects the dots together, any collection of dots, whether there is an actual underlying connection or not. Maybe you could point to your evidence before running off at the mouth over your latest inspiration?

    5. Re:hackers? really? by BigSes · · Score: 1

      To get their paperwork through to start LulzSec PAC.

  21. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    It takes almost no skill to execute a DDoS attack, which is all this bullshit is.

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  22. Re:Seems like... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry I don't see the connection between "criminal" CEOs, bankers and government officials, and EVE Online, magnets.com and Minecraft. Please elaborate.

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  23. Re:Phreak-a-diddle-doo by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    SIP Invites hardly qualify as phreaking.

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  24. Fucked by cosm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either these guys are fucked and we are about to get rammed with legislation, or the government is pulling this off and we are about to get rammed with legislation. Either way the general public takes the red white and blue schwanze in the end.

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  25. Re:LulzSec new toilet stall denial of service atta by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    a DDoS has nothing to do with security. It's only about wasting resources. It's not even hard to do.

    These guys should be taken out and shot. Ignoring all the service disruptions etc, just stop and think of all the power these jackasses are wasting.

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  26. Whats the point...? by twebb72 · · Score: 5, Funny

    FBI... ok, so you're an anarchist
    WoW... ok, so you're anti-capitalist
    Magnets.com... uhh, so you don't like your shitty kid's art messing up your fridge...?

    1. Re:Whats the point...? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Magnets are the secret that power 4chan.

      So secret that even they don't know how magnets work?

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  27. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by ginbot462 · · Score: 2

    >> Or the CIA doesn't use the public facing web server for anything important

    A honey pot would be important :). (but one with enough challenge to obfuscate the fact)

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  28. Re:Why you mad tho? by biodata · · Score: 1

    In the UK on 30th June lots of civil servants are going to go on strike. Previous governments made General Strikes illegal, so each group of civil servants is going to be protesting their own disputes but conveniently doing it on the same day. This will be a major denial of service to a wide range of people in schools, transport etc. Does it piss me off? Not nearly as much as the widespread abuses of power they are trying to draw attention to. For me, lulz ddos ranks on the same scale. The inconvenience can be annoying but I'm glad someone is demonstrating that power is more diffuse than generally acknowledged. At least they are not taping their lunch to their heads and occupying the city centres until the government is toppled, as recently happened in several countries. I'd find that much more disruptive.

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  29. Lulzsec gains root access to senate.gov servers by Cito · · Score: 1
    Lulzsec posted proof and documents downloaded from senate.gov site.

    they put up a text file of the initial proof

    http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/senate.gov.txt

    along with config files, usernames, and enough data for others to get back in, of course security has probably been increased 100 fold since the root hack

    They have all the password file for that FBI site they hacked up on their torrent account: http://thepiratebay.org/user/LulzSec

    They are in pretty damn deep, even though there is many lulz, for their sake I hope they know what they doing, or they will soon meet Bubba in prison

  30. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1
  31. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    Attacking people with the resources to find and make you disappear is stupid.

    You know that moment in a super hero movie where the idiot bad guy says something insulting to the hero and you know he's going to get his backside handed to him six ways from Sunday? Lulzsec just did the insult bit.

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  32. Better for the Lulz than the Stash by Cogent91 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Sony hacks illustrated just how exposed our data is; the treasure trove of personal data sitting out there for the EASY taking by real criminals is a disaster waiting to happen on an unprecedented scale. I'd rather a group like Lulz go around poignantly dispelling our notions of information security rather than have actual identity thieves take on the mantle of a wake up call themselves. I applaud their point: if you can't even stop people compromising systems for laughs, you'll never be able to stop those who are doing so for profit.

    1. Re:Better for the Lulz than the Stash by cavreader · · Score: 2

      If they notified the victim of the security lapses before they went public it would be helpful. And if these guys get caught they will be treated as criminals.

    2. Re:Better for the Lulz than the Stash by Cogent91 · · Score: 2

      I'm not necessarily saying I agree with what they are doing, just that its a best case scenario for how our historically lax information security measures can be exposed as I don't think the polite approach would drive the point home sufficiently. Pulling the pants down of major companies who should have already prepared better sucks for the companies disgraced but for every one they embarrass are scores more who are doing what they can to tighten their own belts. Whitehats have been trying for years to demonstrate, unsuccessfully, better efforts are needed. The best cure for our complacency is a tame threat encouraging solid fences are built before the real, wild threats arrive. And keep in mind, it's OUR data these companies have so poorly guarded.

    3. Re:Better for the Lulz than the Stash by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If they notified the staff of security lapses, everyone would just wait around until they got notified. If they name and shame indiscriminately, that's motivation for everyone to be proactive about security.

      I agree, if they get caught they will be treated as criminals. But that's just the kind of fucked up things are these days.

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    4. Re:Better for the Lulz than the Stash by cavreader · · Score: 2

      "Why would that be helpful? It would give them a chance to pull their pants up and not be exposed to the world, which is the entire point?" Outing them does more harm to the users than it does to the company. Shaming would be an valid option if the company was warned of a vulnerability and did not fix the problem in a timely manner. "You have to publicly shame these companies due if the company was informed of the vulnerability and firms into taking security seriously" How do you know the are not taken security seriously? No matter what level of security you put in place there are still potential vulnerabilities. There is no online site that is 100% secure or free from vulnerabilities..

  33. Re:Why you mad tho? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interfering with someone else's electronics is in fact a serious crime in most places. The Internet is primarily privately run these days, so you might find it strange but private companies' resources being misused is not the same as dancing like an idiot in a public park. Its a direct assault on private property, like your examples.

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  34. Re:Phreak-a-diddle-doo by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    lol if I had mod points right now I'd so dole them out, man.
    That retro rocked.

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  35. Re:Hey old men, this is fun? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    While I agree fully (hey, I was part of the old era of the different layers of hacking, most of us probably (hopefully?) were...)... I'm only worried about another revamp of the near totalitarian political shift that occurred back then due to the "anarchy". That word was dolled out so much it was pathetic and meaningless.

    The day we have to worry about the FBI tracking us down for downloading the wrong thing, or transferring the wrong kind of encryption across country lines is a sad day again... wait, what's that? It's still that way? The FBI has been too worried about what? Stuff in people's shoes on planes? At least there's a slight distraction for the gestapo the last 10 or so years...

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  36. Re:The linked article doesn't mention Blizzard... by Revotron · · Score: 1

    Thanks for noticing, it's additional knowledge. I did a little research before I submitted, and according to @LulzSec on Twitter, they targeted WoW Customer Service as well. FWIW, my original headline focused on the FBI and HBGary. But for whatever reason, samzenpus thought "Blizzard" fit better in there... not quite sure why.

  37. Re:Hey old men, this is fun? by c0lo · · Score: 1

    While I agree fully (hey, I was part of the old era of the different layers of hacking, most of us probably (hopefully?) were...)... I'm only worried about another revamp of the near totalitarian political shift that occurred back then due to the "anarchy".

    Hmmm... how old? Because last time a counter-culture decided to "stick it to the man" was about half a century ago. And, after a while (with McCarthy and Nixon gone), it was better... for about 20 years.

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  38. Re:Hey old men, this is fun? by Daneurysm · · Score: 1

    and "they" had a much more compelling case back then

  39. Time to grow up now children. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I used to think that websites getting hacked was a bit of a laugh. Now it's a PITA. I am sick of getting emails from large companies stating that they have been compromised, and X data has been stolen. It's time to take the nappies off and get out into the real world.

    All you are doing is pissing people off, and it WILL come and bite you in the arse.

  40. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

    Or the CIA doesn't use the public facing web server for anything important, so they didn't bother securing it very well.

    In fact, they probably set it up this way on purpose with an eye towards attracting interesting targets to their honey pot. It's a cheap and effective method when compared to other forms of surveillance and the CIA need only spend minimal effort and resources to promote their honey pot where desirable targets are likely to find it and follow up on any promising leads.

  41. CIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Attacking the CIA website is like kicking a nest full of killer bees.

    Who would do such an idiotic thing and hope to have a life worth living afterward?

  42. Old criminal line "They are asking for it". by anotheryak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When a guy breaks into your house and steals your belongings, "Hey, he had a lousy alarm system and was gone over Labor Day Weekend, he was asking for it!"

    A rapist: "She was wearing a provocative outfit! Anyone could see that she was asking for it".

    Now these script kiddies: "Hey, we broke in and found plaintext! Sony was asking for it."

    Same logic. "It's not my fault, you did not prevent me from committing a crime so it is your fault. I am not responsible for my criminal actions, you are. You are also responsible for the third-parties I hurt because you did not adequately prevent me from doing it".

    1. Re:Old criminal line "They are asking for it". by horza · · Score: 1

      That's a poor analogy. A woman in a provocative outfit isn't holding the personal details of millions of other people. Presumably your belongings in your house don't either, and if you have a laptop that does and the details are not encrypted then I WOULD hold you responsible if it was stolen.

      tldr; not the same logic

      Phillip.

    2. Re:Old criminal line "They are asking for it". by loufoque · · Score: 1

      When a guy breaks into your house and steals your belongings, "Hey, he had a lousy alarm system and was gone over Labor Day Weekend, he was asking for it!"

      Actually, if you leave your house unprotected and someone steals your belongings, you cannot claim money from your insurance. So insurance companies use the same logic.

    3. Re:Old criminal line "They are asking for it". by N1AK · · Score: 1

      No, your insurance company refuses to offer insurance products which don't require a level of security to be maintained. They aren't judging the morality of the theft, they are making a profit/loss decision that has nothing to do with whether the theft was legal/moral/ethical etc.

    4. Re:Old criminal line "They are asking for it". by remiked2009 · · Score: 1

      When a guy breaks into your house and steals your belongings, "Hey, he had a lousy alarm system and was gone over Labor Day Weekend, he was asking for it!" A rapist: "She was wearing a provocative outfit! Anyone could see that she was asking for it". Now these script kiddies: "Hey, we broke in and found plaintext! Sony was asking for it." Same logic. "It's not my fault, you did not prevent me from committing a crime so it is your fault. I am not responsible for my criminal actions, you are. You are also responsible for the third-parties I hurt because you did not adequately prevent me from doing it".

      This world's leaders are such a bunch of knuckle-heads and criminals, they all deserve far worse than hacking. LulzSec is just implementing a few bitch-slaps where due. Get over it.

  43. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by anotheryak · · Score: 2

    Exactly...does anyone here really have that "action movie" idea that some massive mainframe inside CIA headquarters is really running the CIA website? And that it's not just farmed out to some contractor like rackspace?

  44. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Xest · · Score: 1

    Or like most public sector organisations across the globe.

    They're just pretty fucking incompetent when it comes to this kind of thing.

    Having worked in public sector, for 6 years, I know where I'd place my bets.

  45. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by iainl · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I think they hit that point the other day, when they took down Goonswarm's EVE fun.

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  46. The only thing this will accomplish... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    ... is the further erosion of Internet freedom, personal civil liberties, and the consolidation of more power to government.

    The government will respond to these embarrassing attacks by clamping down even more on liberty, and by more tightly regulating the Internet. They will use it as justification for more warrantless eavesdropping, reading your email (they already do that, actually), and tapping your phones.

  47. were they successful wqith blizzard? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I did not hear if blizzard was really affected, i mean so what, instead disrupt their servers for the online gaming, that would be impressive, just taking up their phone support lines, blizzard could have done on their own to avoid costs, and blamed it on some stupid hacking group....er....wait a minute....

  48. ..... sooooooo l33+ by whoppo · · Score: 1

    Y'know.. I remember a day when we had to have an actual understanding of network protocols, operating systems and applications... and write our own "tools" to exploit system weaknesses "for fun".

    Apparently these days all you need to be cool is a freshest copy of MetaSploit and no life.... and if m'Sploit can't get you in, just DoS the target and claim responsibility for being so skilled.

    Shouldn't you kids be outside playing?

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  49. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Whorhay · · Score: 1

    I don't know that technical incompetence is exactly right. It's more likely management incompetence.

    I worked once as a government code monkey. The most imporant thing was getting stuff done according to schedule. Security was important but nobody knew the details of what was required until it was too late. Security configurations should have been considered and built in from the design phase on, instead it was always tacked on at the end. Which means there is never any money/time to get anything but the most trivial issues addressed.

  50. Re:i like it by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Is it a ladyboy?

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  51. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    How is it cracking a web site to DDoS it? These guys aren't cracking shit, unless it is the routers cracking under the strain.

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  52. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by Xest · · Score: 1

    You're lucky you even had schedules :)

    When I was there it was more a case of "Hi, I know this is last minute but this needs doing by Friday" on a Monday.

    Then on Tuesday morning "Why isn't it done yet, I said it needed to be done by last night?".

    i.e. no planning, no scheduling, no competence, random decisions as to what needed doing and when!

    But I did find IT deeply polarised there, amongst a team of around 40 IT staff I'd say only about 10 were truly competent and were holding organisation up for the other 30 by fixing the things they broke and doing their work for them.

    Without a doubt public sector has competent people, but in my experience, more often than not, they're an absolute minority, and when they raise issues like security flaws they're treated as troublemakers creating extra work which was an affront to the work-shy co-workers rather than being seen as people who just want to honestly do a good job and make sure tax payers were getting what they paid for.

  53. Well.. by Stregano · · Score: 1

    Hmm, going after all of these sites (including government sites), might not be a good idea. They may be in it for the lulz, but if they get found, they are kinda fucked. I will say though, that what they did with the phone bombing is kinda funny though. The DDoS attacks were not all that funny, but when you redirect your phones to other places creating a little bit of chaos, then it gets amusing. I know that they are not affiliated with Anon, but I do personally find it odd that they started getting in the headlines after all of the Anon stuff. Were they around before Anon and just got headlines because Anon did a bunch of crap, or did they form after Anon? I know they are not affiliated, I am just saying that it is fishy that I have not heard much from Anon since the WBC was hit (I think they did another attack after that as well) and then they just kinda dropped from the headlines and LulSec hopped up.

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  54. Re:LulzSec disables CIA web server, too! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    One thing is certain. The crackers in LulzSec are damned good, OR they have considerable "inside" help at the CIA and FBI. Or BOTH!!

    Or the CIA doesn't use the public facing web server for anything important, so they didn't bother securing it very well.

    Exactly, you aren't going to put your secret plans for world domination on the fucking internet, are you?

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