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LulzSec Posts First Secret Document Dump

Dangerous_Minds writes "LulzSec has been vowing to expose government secrets for the last few days. Now they have delivered. According to ZeroPaid, LulzSec has posted secret documents about Arizona Law Enforcement. The release has been posted to file-sharing website ThePirateBay. LulzSec says the release is because they are 'against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.'"

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  1. AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's anti-illegal-immigrant. There's a difference.

    1. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by geoffrobinson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

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    2. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Libertarian001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You really are stupid. I live in AZ. My immediate supervisor is 100% ethnic Mexican (and his grandfather immigrated here). His stance? Fully supports SB1070. It's anti-illegal-immigration.

    3. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Libertarian001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Border Patrol? You mean from U.S. Customs and Border Protection? The Federal Agency? Why are you bringing this up in a conversation about a state law?

    4. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by William+Ager · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's worth noting that Mexicans from more affluent areas, and more central areas in general, often are quite racist against Mexicans from border areas. It isn't hard to find people who immigrated to the US from Mexico City and dislike Mexicans from Tijuana more than white supremacists do.

    5. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He won't be so supportive when he gets asked for papers because he is a mexican. The issue with SB1070 is racial profiling. That is the issue.

    6. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by SQL+Error · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right, because all illegal immigrants commit crimes.

      Ahem.

    7. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes

    8. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by cavreader · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the damn law. They can not be stopped randomly and checked for immigration status. Only after they are detained for some other reason can they ask for immigration status. And yes this could be circumvented by individual police officers but that is true for a whole list of different types of charges. The people complaining about his law are automatically assuming the entire police force are racists and will ignore the law which is a rather insulting and unsupported accusation. Anyway how is this any different than anyone else getting stopped by the police and being asked for identification such as a drivers license?

    9. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's not. It claims to be anti-illegal-immigrant, but it's really just white supremacy. Even native-born citizens have been picked up and imprisoned for months because somebody suspected they were illegal. No proof required. There was a case where a guy was imprisoned in...either Arizona or New Mexico. For months. He was forced to work for $1/day to earn the money to purchase a copy of his birth certificate from the federal government to prove he was a legal citizen. (So much for "Innocent until proven guilty") Another case up here in Pennsylvania, a man (again, a legal citizen, not sure if he was native-born) was arrested and held by ICE for 3 days despite having his valid driver's license and social security card in his wallet at the time of his arrest...strictly because of his last name. It sounded like he might be foreign, so ICE ordered he be detained.

      I keep up with this stuff pretty closely, and never heard either one of these. Can't find anything that sounds even remotely similar on google. I suspect you're making things up.

      SB1070 still effectively legalizes police harassment of anybody who's skin is darker than a certain shade of brown.

      It doesn't do anything of the sort, of course.

      And they require that you carry identification with you. This is not a legal requirement anywhere else in America.

      The requirements for carrying identification/immigration paperwork are exactly the same as the federal laws.

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    10. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Urza9814 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The first one is from a published report, ("Jailed Without Justice", published by Amnesty International, page 20, very easy to find if you google it) which lists the original source as: "Testimony of Kara Hartzler, Florence Immigrant and Refugee Rights Project, before the House of Representatives Subcommittee on Immigrantion, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law Hearing on Problems with ICE Interrogation, Detention and Removal Procedures, Second Session of the 110th Congress, 13 February 2008, serial Number 110-80, available at: http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/printers/110th/40742.PDF"

      He worked at $1/day, a birth certificate costs $30, so that's at least a month assuming he was working full time every day. Not sure if he would have, I'm not all that familiar with the prison system. Also doesn't count time spent being transferred and such (which ICE does very frequently and without notice). I suppose I did make a slight mistake though in the time, as the original does only say "over a month". And yes, I suppose it would be state, not federal government that he purchased it from, the original doesn't specify.

      The second case is from the Summer 2011 issue of "Free For All" published by the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania. Article was "Pennsylvania's Secret Prisoners". Unfortunately, I'm not finding it available online anywhere, and the name in the article was changed.

    11. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by xantonin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the united states or arizona constitution"

      Page 1, lines 30-34.

      Do you really think in a state where brown skin is the majority that cops will waste their time bugging everyone who is brown skinned? We in AZ are aware there are a lot of legal Hispanics here, don't insult us with your assumptions.

    12. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I didn't even notice he was Hispanic, judge! I swear!" heh heh.

      Law Enforcement has NEVER lied to make themselves look better.

    13. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the damn law. They can not be stopped randomly and checked for immigration status. Only after they are detained for some other reason can they ask for immigration status.

      (snip)

      Anyway how is this any different than anyone else getting stopped by the police and being asked for identification such as a drivers license?

      Except that Sheriff Bubba-Joe has a history of having his officers stop every brown person they see, under the troll logic that "Non-Whites commit more crimes." Usually under the guise of wanting to see their drivers licence. And then, with this new law, they have to PROVE that they're not illegals, or the cop can arrest them on the spot for the crime of "possibly being illegal."

    14. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, many can't distinguish between the two positions. My legal immigrant friends sure can.

      I am anti-illegal immigrants, but I have a problem with the Arizona law: It can't possibly be constitutional.

      Allow me to explain. My mother is a white american who married a latino. I was born in the US, I have citizenship by blood and by place of birth. If I were to visit Arizona, and some cop looks at me, he might decide that he has "probable cause" to ask for papers, because I look foreign. As a result you have a cop that is going to ask an American citizen for papers and jail me if I refuse to comply.

      How in the FUCK can you think that's constitutional?

      Now, if the law would instead put employers in jail who hire illegal immigrants knowingly, I'd be all for it. That's the problem anyway. If they couldn't get jobs here, the US wouldn't be worth the enormous risk they take crossing the border.

    15. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by wisty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The best way to beat sympathy isn't hate. It's disgust. I read a study [citation needed] that showed people stopped showing sympathy if they were disgusted by the perp's crime. This is, incidentally, why perverts (for whatever the current definition of pervert is) get cracked down on so hard - it's easy to be disgusted by them, so nobody has any sympathy.

      If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants, you don't run a hate campaign. It's likely to be illegal, makes you look bad, and may actually drum up a lot of opposition. Accusing Mexicans of being drug smugglers, violent criminals, and terrorists might drum up a bit of fear (and hate), but it doesn't really work.

      The best way to persecute people is to drum up disgust. It can be overt (attacking their personal hygiene), or more subtle (attacking their immoral values). Calling mexicans "filthy" has been extremely effective, but it isn't going to fly anymore. The modern day equivalent is calling them tax cheats, freeloaders, and queue jumpers. Queue jumping (at the supermarket checkout, or Disneyland, or any other context) isn't seen as a serious crime, but as a disgusting lack of social nous. Which makes it a far better slur than "drug runner", if you want people to lose sympathy.

    16. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's not worth noting.

      and it's very hard to find those people.

      it's a lot easier to find people who are sympathetic, but want the law enforced.

      someone please mod William Ager and his fantasy land into the ground.

      It's quite easy to find Hispanics who are against illegal immigration. Of course, you won't find them on TV. Newscasts are borderline racist in their portrayal of Hispanics as one, big, massive stereotype. They display them as if they are all lemmings who follow whatever the liberal Hispanic "leaders" say.

      If you want to know the truth, go to a place where Hispanics are the majority and live there for a few years. I live in such a place. My wife, daughter and best friend are all Hispanic. To be honest, Hispanics are some of the most racist people I've met towards other Hispanics.

      It other words, you don't know WTF you are talking about, gringo.

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    17. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm all for enforcing immigration laws (though I do believe it should be done at the federal level), but that does not mean stopping people for driving while dark-skinned and asking for their papers is anything less than inherent and frankly disgusting racism, codified into law.

      Show me where that is written into the law. Someone has lied to you.

      For the record, pulling someone over because based on looks is strictly forbidden in the law.

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    18. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by Abreu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a Mexican, I can say it is true that there are frictions between ethnic groups and geographical regions within the country.

      A lot is just stereotype and jokes, like Californians and Appalachians and New Yorkers, etc, might regard each other.

      But there is an undercurrent of racism in Mexico, which is not polite to admit in public (People say "this is a country that abolished castes and slavery during its independence war! Of course we are not racists!"), but is true nonetheless.

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    19. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And according to Barbara Coloroso, disgust leads to contempt; contempt leads to a view of inferiority and objetification; bullying follows, and at some point any inhumanity can be justified, because after all, they're less than human. She claims this to be the path that has led up to every major genocide of this century.

      I'll stop there before somebody Godwins me, and I'm not trying to suggest that all disgust and contempt lead to genocide or even murder, but I do think it's a road best not travelled.

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    20. Re:AZ isn't anti-immigrant by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.

      In the UK we managed to get rid of slavery without a war, as did most other places. There are plenty of ex-colony countries that became independent without war. The Nazis rise to power was a direct consequence of WWI and the situation we put Germany in after it (massive reparations, hyperinflation etc.) Communism... Well, you failed in Vietnam and the cold war ended why the USSR collapsed rather than when you defeated them militarily.

      So yeah, starting a war rarely improves the situation.

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  2. Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery by leromarinvit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't fix slavery with a law that punishes the slaves instead of the slaveowners.

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  3. Not for public distribution? by tantaliz3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not for public distribution should be illegal in a free democratic society. Democracy fails if the voters don't have a clear and complete perspective.

  4. Re:Who knew? by geekforhire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bingo. People that support illegal immigration just cant seem to grasp that they are supporting a system that exploits people that have no protection under the law. Also..dont give me that 'jobs you wont do' crap. I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.

  5. Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nobody seems to ever bring this up, but by supporting illegal immigration you are supporting modern day slavery. Illegal immigrants don't make a proper wage and dont receive any of the protections that their legal immigrant friends enjoy.

    Ah, that explains why they keep on comin'.

  6. No Problem by d'fim · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's OK. As long as the state didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about.

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    1. Re:No Problem by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In America, the Lobbyists are the Government!

      Wake up and smell the coffee. You're living in the past.

  7. Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, what explains that is that wages and work conditions are even worse where they come from. If you want them to stop coming, then you fine the crap out of businesses that fail to properly identify that their employees have their documentation and those that fail to obey the legal requirements regarding workplace safety.

  8. Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery by stinerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slaves don't vote. Slaveowners do.

  9. You are incredibly naive by gbutler69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fine for the employer is a simple cost of doing business. Save $100,000.00 per month on wages, pay an $10,000.00 fine now and then. Getting sent back to their "Home Country" is life-devastating for the "Criminal Brown People". Not the same thing at all.

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    1. Re:You are incredibly naive by Discopete · · Score: 4, Informative

      In AZ if you get caught knowingly hiring illegals and you lose your license to do business in the state. Many employers are not willing to take that chance.

  10. Re:illegal immigration = modern slavery by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where i live, both are. If you get caught employing illegals, you get fined and the illegals are sent back home.

    I used to work in Apple Warehouses in Yakima Washington.

    One day I noticed a few trucks from the warehouse down the road filled to the brim with Latino workers. They were driving out towards the orchards, away from the other warehouse, which looked absolutely deserted.

    I asked my father, who still works as a forklift foreman at the warehouse, what that was about.

    "Oh, Evans is getting a surprise inpsection, so they're moving all the illegals out to the field for the rest of the week. They'll have the legals work at the warehouse until the inspectors leave."

    "Wait, but isn't it a surprise inspection?"

    "Yeah, but they warn them a day or two ahead of time so they don't get caught."

  11. Same old nonsense. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it that white people seem to be the most vehemently opposed to any measure to deal with illegal immigration? It's like they're operating from a standpoint of hyper-sensitivity and guilt.

    I find it offensive that suggesting that something needs to be done about illegal immigrations leads to a person being branded as a racist. Can anyone explain to me what's unreasonable about keeping people from entering the country illegally? That's the key distinction here: illegal.

    My entire family consists of first generation immigrants. My uncle had to wait 7 years for his number to be called because he was coming with his family. And my parents were sponsoring them. I'd say 90% of my closer friends are immigrants and most of them have a problem with illegal immigration. The important thing here is that they all, myself included, came here legally. We followed the process, paid the fees and did whatever was necessary to come here.

    So why should someone who felt they didn't want to bother with any of that be given a free ride? And the irony here is that coming illegally merely insures unending hardships. All those illegals who couldn't be bothered to follow the process end up being exploited doing crap work. Had they come here legally they would have had many more options.

    My wife, having been in the country one week shy of a year had to pay out of state tuition at the local community college. Now an illegal immigrant enjoys the benefit of paying in-state tuition by virtue of not submitting any paperwork that proves residency. I can appreciate the motivation behind that move, they're trying to encourage illegals to go to school. The problem is, if you're still an illegal when you graduate you're still not going to be able to find work. And ultimately, there really needs to be some level of penalty for breaking the law.

    The fact is, however, that there's no way we can realistically deport those already here. We do need to legalize them. But that should never happen before we've addressed the problem of those coming across the border. If we don't do that first we're never going to fix this problem and in fact we'll probably make it worse. It isn't the first time we've tried this.

    And the propaganda campaign against the Arizona law was quite effective in how it has misled the American public. It basically mirrors the Federal law already in place and makes it illegal to conduct racial profiling. I found it rather amusing to hear Europeans and the Chinese berate us over the law given that their own immigration policies are much harsher. Hell, Mexico is much tougher on illegal immigrants than we are.