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LulzSec Posts First Secret Document Dump
Dangerous_Minds writes "LulzSec has been vowing to expose government secrets for the last few days. Now they have delivered. According to ZeroPaid, LulzSec has posted secret documents about Arizona Law Enforcement. The release has been posted to file-sharing website ThePirateBay. LulzSec says the release is because they are 'against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona.'"
It's anti-illegal-immigrant. There's a difference.
Nobody seems to ever bring this up, but by supporting illegal immigration you are supporting modern day slavery. Illegal immigrants don't make a proper wage and dont receive any of the protections that their legal immigrant friends enjoy. Stop pretending that this is a human rights issue, its not, its simply a channel to allow businesses to abuse workers. And now I will sit back while people that don't live near the border chime in and tell us that do what the facts really are....
You'd have to read it to know if it mirrors federal law or not.
It doesn't, and you haven't read it.
And after trying to discuss certain issues like whether bus or taxi drivers run afoul of AZ's sb1070 on AZCentral (by "transporting" them), I've determined that people in favor of it are thick and stupid.
SB1070 is bad law badly written.
Also, explain to me what an illegal immigrant looks like, because the last one I saw was German and overstayed her visa.
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You don't have a problem with continuing a process that allows a whole sub-culture of people to be treated like slaves, paid almost nothing, worked in unsafe environments, and have no representation because you don't want to pay a buck fifty more for you produce?...what a disgusting position. I think you'd have been more in comfortable in the 1800's in the south.
Not for public distribution should be illegal in a free democratic society. Democracy fails if the voters don't have a clear and complete perspective.
I have no problem with this. Also, lulzsec does tickle my anarcho-geek fancy. Information's natural state is to be free - think how much energy gets expended trying to keep things secret. Just like trying to push a large boulder up a mountain - like Sisyphus. And eventually they're going to trip up, and that boulder will come tumbling back down. We're watching it happen. And I, for one, am enjoying nom'ing on some popcorn while it happens.
Bingo. People that support illegal immigration just cant seem to grasp that they are supporting a system that exploits people that have no protection under the law. Also..dont give me that 'jobs you wont do' crap. I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.
The info released isn't funny in any obvious context. The press release is certainly not funny and doesn't even try to be. The ASCII gun graphic and the content of the information and press release look like classic anarchist material. Not sure if it's intentional or what but none of this seems directly connected to the personality on Twitter.
Maybe this is the result of the Anonymous/Lulzsec partnership. Maybe Lulzsec is under new management. Maybe the false flag operation has kicked into high gear.
Something has changed. You can tell by the dejavu.
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It's OK. As long as the state didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about.
Adherence to the truth is a form of disloyalty.
This is truly a stupid thing you've written here. Do you honestly believe that most people who support illegal immigration wouldn't rather be supporting legal immigration? Do you know what comprehensive immigration reform is? It's first admitting that the existing system is wrong and then trying to fix it. That is what supporters of illegal immigration support. They by no means wish to keep it illegal.
Especially since we are talking about law enforcement agencies. These are people who are given the legal authority to deprive other people of their rights -- that is the last group of people that I want operating in secret.
Palm trees and 8
You would pay $5 a Banana or Apple so that "american" workers can do it?
Would you pay $5 for a glass of O.J.?
If the answer is no then you no you won't pay more. Putting legal jobs there would quadruple the costs of picked food(not everything can be done by machine)
What people fail to realize is that American's don't do so many jobs because you can't live off them. 2 people living together each working 60 hours a week on minimum wage jobs can't afford a cheap apartment in something like 80% of the country(by population, not land area). Separated that way because the majority of minimum wage jobs are located in populated areas. If your earning minimum wage your by definition poor, have no health care at all(medicare won't cover you, minimum wage jobs don't have it, Even if they did you couldn't afford the $1000(average cost of health insurance for those earning under $30,000 a year) a month payments.
Remember This is America Only the rich get things like health care, homes, everyone else can fuck off.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
I was listening to NPR today, and Terri Gross was interviewing some mayor in Georgia where they recently passed a no-illegal-worker law, and he was whining about crops rotting in the fields because no migrant workers showed up to pick. So they tried to send in parolees and people serving community service sentences to do the work (instead of paying a decent wage; they were probably cheaper than the migrants [the comserve people were slaves]), and the workers complained that it was too hard, so the mayor concluded that no americans would do the work (for less than minimum wage). If the oil industry were found to employ illegals, they'd be slapped down pretty quickly.
Perhaps the lulzsec members are US citizens, and they are sick of watching the police operate in secrecy?
Palm trees and 8
“My grandfather did not travel across 4,000 miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this country overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland.”
“As we’ve heard this morning, America’s farms are presently far too dependent on immigrant labor to pick our fruits and vegetables. Now, the obvious answer is for all of us to stop eating fruits and vegetables. And, if you look at the recent obesity statistics, you’ll see that many Americans have already started. Unfortunately, my gastroenterologist, Dr. Eichler, has informed me, in no uncertain terms, that they are a necessary source of roughage. As evidence, I would like to submit a video of my colonoscopy into the congressional record.”
“We all know there is a long tradition of great nations importing foreign workers to do their farm work. After all, it was the ancient Israelites who built the first food pyramids.”
“This is America. I don’t want a tomato picked by a Mexican. I want it picked by an American, then sliced by a Guatemalan and served by a Venezuelan in spa where a Chilean gives me a Brazilian.”
The fine for the employer is a simple cost of doing business. Save $100,000.00 per month on wages, pay an $10,000.00 fine now and then. Getting sent back to their "Home Country" is life-devastating for the "Criminal Brown People". Not the same thing at all.
Over-the-top Response Guy! Giving "Over-the-Top Responses" since 1970.
Fining the ass off of Employers that are hiring illegal aliens?
Oh, I forgot who has the bigger lobby.
This country is seriously screwed...
I will happily pay more for fruit if the worker that picked it was making at least minimum wage and I know a ton of people without jobs that will take *anything* at this point.
The farmer needs someone who knows how to pick fruit quickly and efficiently without damage.
It is not easy as it looks.
These jobs are traditionally piece work and you have to be damn good at them to make any real money,
A state mirroring federal law, is anti-immigrant. I mean seriously here. You have the feds who refuse to enforce the law, you have a state creating a law that mirrors it, and they're anti-immigrant? Hardly. Anti-illegal immigrant indeed and I have no problems with that.
Close! Actually, The Obama Administration has reduced the number of illegals for the first time in 20 years. Contrast to the Bush Regime, which was openly attacked by members of the rabid right for not being hatemongery enough.
Oh, and the Dems re-introduced comprehensive immigration reform, but don't worry, the Republicans will kill it again, under the "No, we'll need that wedge issue in 2016" theory of government.
Also, it allows them to consider language use, accent, clothing, music and food choices, distance from bottom of car to road surface, proximity to known immigrants (illegal or otherwise), and myriad other things. This is what happens when you choose to ignore the well known standards of "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause."
Really? And you know I haven't read it how. Damn amazing telepathy going on there. Actually it does, and it includes the relevant parts of case law surrounding the federal law. In turn, meaning that it's a mirror of the federal law, with updated case law changes.
I'm pretty sure that if you walk away from your talking points you'd be the wise for it.
Om, nomnomnom...
You do realize that the US government is targeting its own citizens for assassination attempts without due process, eavesdropping on its citizens communications without warrants, sending out NSLs with gag orders, starting wars based on lies, starting wars without Congressional approval, ruthlessly pursuing anyone who blows the whistle on wasteful government spending, locking people up with the Material Witness statute with no intent on ever calling them as a witness, kidnapping foreign nationals and sending them to other countries to be tortured, torturing foreign nationals to death, denying them any kind of due process to prove their innocence, locking them in cages for years without any evidence, expanding the powers of the "Patriot" act so that can target people without any suspicion at all...
The list goes on and on. Just because the US does not oppress you, specifically, does not mean the US isn't an openly oppressive government. Perhaps if you lived in one of those multiple Muslim countries that we drop bombs on...perhaps if it was your family that was dying while our journalists write about government strikes that "killed militants"...you might feel differently.
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Why is it that white people seem to be the most vehemently opposed to any measure to deal with illegal immigration? It's like they're operating from a standpoint of hyper-sensitivity and guilt.
I find it offensive that suggesting that something needs to be done about illegal immigrations leads to a person being branded as a racist. Can anyone explain to me what's unreasonable about keeping people from entering the country illegally? That's the key distinction here: illegal.
My entire family consists of first generation immigrants. My uncle had to wait 7 years for his number to be called because he was coming with his family. And my parents were sponsoring them. I'd say 90% of my closer friends are immigrants and most of them have a problem with illegal immigration. The important thing here is that they all, myself included, came here legally. We followed the process, paid the fees and did whatever was necessary to come here.
So why should someone who felt they didn't want to bother with any of that be given a free ride? And the irony here is that coming illegally merely insures unending hardships. All those illegals who couldn't be bothered to follow the process end up being exploited doing crap work. Had they come here legally they would have had many more options.
My wife, having been in the country one week shy of a year had to pay out of state tuition at the local community college. Now an illegal immigrant enjoys the benefit of paying in-state tuition by virtue of not submitting any paperwork that proves residency. I can appreciate the motivation behind that move, they're trying to encourage illegals to go to school. The problem is, if you're still an illegal when you graduate you're still not going to be able to find work. And ultimately, there really needs to be some level of penalty for breaking the law.
The fact is, however, that there's no way we can realistically deport those already here. We do need to legalize them. But that should never happen before we've addressed the problem of those coming across the border. If we don't do that first we're never going to fix this problem and in fact we'll probably make it worse. It isn't the first time we've tried this.
And the propaganda campaign against the Arizona law was quite effective in how it has misled the American public. It basically mirrors the Federal law already in place and makes it illegal to conduct racial profiling. I found it rather amusing to hear Europeans and the Chinese berate us over the law given that their own immigration policies are much harsher. Hell, Mexico is much tougher on illegal immigrants than we are.
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"Information's natural state is to be free "
So for example if police or security services have information about a crime to be committed but what to keep it secret so they can catch the criminals in the act , you think they should just make that information public ASAP and if the criminals find out, well too bad eh? At least your moral high ground is intact.
Christ I wish people like you wold grow the fuck up. This is real life with real people, not some fantasy nirvana with idealtistic ciphers standing in for real fallible people you and you idiot right-on friends might dream about. Newsflash - such a place doesn't exist. Go learn some history and then learn about human nature.
How about this: If illegal workers are found at an employer, they are sent back home by airplane with all expenses paid by the employer - along with a month's worth of pay equal to the average legal workers' wages. Talk about disincentive.
At first I was going to point out that document leaking that exposed corruption or dirty tricks was valuable, although LulzSec shouldn't have exposed the names of undercovers who are now in grave danger. Then I checked some analyses of the documents. According to http://www.unelected.org/analysis-of-lulzsecs-arizona-dps-document-dump the contents don't show any corruption or anything, it's just interoffice emails and stuff about Mexican cartels the AZPD are trying to fight. So, yeah, I agree with you; Wikileaks distributing proof of US political corruption, with an effort to scrub names to protect agents, good. LulzSec dumping police documents that amount to showing Mexican drug cartels the entirety of law enforcement operations trying to shut them down including the names of officers working against them in secret? Bad form.
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