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Microsoft Releases IE10 Platform Preview 2
BogenDorpher writes "Microsoft today has announced the availability of the second platform preview for its upcoming browser, Internet Explorer 10. The first platform preview was released in April. This new platform preview contains the same HTML5 engine seen in the recent public Windows 8 demos."
Instead of the blogspam link you could have linked the official page that has far more useful information than useless article on the submitter's blog.
According to www.html5test.com, the other preview is no better than IE 9. Not to say IE 9 is bad, it is just behind Chrome.
With the latest fallout from Firefox 5, I expect IE 10 to become quite popular and as much as we hate Microsoft here, I think the newest releases of IE 9 and IE 10 are tollerable and I may even say cool to develop with. ... I feel I am trapped in the twilight zone for that last sentence.
I am hoping this will change, but IE is very conservative and only tends to support tags and CSS that are finalized to avoid incompatibilies. Part of me thinks this is a great idea, and part of me thinks it will always be 5 years behind as a result. Either way I would like to see HTML 5 forms, websprockets, and a few other things in IE 10.
http://saveie6.com/
""It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, walking on hot coals and being eaten alive by a Burmese Python of unusual size ... just."" ... and that is more tollerable than Firefox 5 with lots of plugins.
http://saveie6.com/
Yes, IE9 is crappy. I don't like the UI, it's not as snappy as I like it to be and I don't like it that I still have to write IE-hacks for my websites.
...that releasing browsers quickly is becoming mainstream now (competition is a fickle beast). As long as the URL bar is still there and the layout doesn't change that often, then I don't mind much. But the moment browsers try to remove the URL bar, the gloves will come off. The browser does not need to be minimized too much more, thank you.
The more you know, the more you have to say and the more you should listen.
I'd like to see them just adopt Google's re-write of the javascript interpreter. That alone would be a vast improvement.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Will use it when it ends up on Windows Update.
Or not actually, since I don't have any Windows 7 machines, only XP and Vista ones.
Even if they did decide to support XP I'd probably keep using Opera.
Well if Opera, Mozilla and Google stopped supporting Windows I might use it.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
I was under the impression that IE 9 and higher does not need IE-hacks anymore, unless you set the doctype tag to imitate IE 6 or 7 compatibilitiy. You do not need that with IE 9. At least I didn't.
http://saveie6.com/
Too bad I have customers that still use IE7 that wan't their site fully compatible with IE7. But heck, I got used to it, I just don't like the browser, never like it, never will like it.
Here's one:
"Internet Explorer: the only single platform web browser in existence."
Actually, not a selling point, but many people would take the above as something good anyway.
IE will always need hacks so long as Microsoft clings to it's JScript interpretation of Javascript, especially with DOM Events handling. It's code is IDENTICAL to the W3C standard except it changed the name and the parameters sent in (like 'onclick' instead of 'click') and while most JS librarys worth their salt replace the event model wholesale (like JQuery) it's still a hurdle to overcome.
I'm not much of a designer so I can't speak for the CSS compatability first hand, but my designer co-worker assures me that there are some parts of the CSS spec that IE 9 still doesn't do that he would love to use. (Something about border images) but it seems like most of the CSS spec is implimented in some form or another.
It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for being subtle.
So.... Will this one have native HTML5? Or HTML6?
Which ones still don't work. Vimperator, adblock and flashblock all seem fine here.
What does IE7 have to do with IE9?
That's like hating on Windows 7 because you hated Windows Me. Kind of ridiculous.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
"What does IE7 have to do with IE9?
That's like hating on Windows 7 because you hated Windows Me. Kind of ridiculous.
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Both AOL and RealPlayer did the "Hey we are sorry! We are better now. Give us another chance" needless to say that didn't work out well with us. Many still cling to Ubuntu and hate Windows 7 because they are still mad at Windows ME and NT 4 server and remember the days of hell. I finally switched back to Windows full time and tried IE 9 out, when Ubuntu and Firefox kept pissing me off. It took years and I do not blame Mr. Yummy at all. The only reason I care about IE 10 is because I expect new users to come back after Firefox 5 from the office and I plan to open a business oriented website. IE unfortunately is going to become popular. I pray by next summer that IE 8 or later will be more than 85% of my users. I am contemplating even bother with IE 7 or earlier at all, as I would love to have HTML 5 effects for users who use a later browser. That might be an encouragement ;-)
http://saveie6.com/
Did you forget to add deb.microsoft.com to your /etc/apt/sources.list, by chance?
What's wrong with IE9's all new javascript engine?
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
It took them 2 years and 5 months to release IE8, and 2 years to release IE9. Who knows when this version will be released...
I'm guessing the following commands failed for you as well:
$sudo apt-get girlfriend
$sudo apt-get out-of-parents-basement
$sudo apt-get clean-shirt
$sudo apt-get a-sense-of-dignity
Doesn't exist for IE9 64bit
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Yes, IE9 is crappy. I don't like the UI, it's not as snappy as I like it to be and I don't like it that I still have to write IE-hacks for my websites.
For non-JS, IE9 and Opera are the fastest browsers around in Windows. My peeve is having low framerates while scrolling through very long websites with lots of images/whatnot. IE9 and Opera have the smoothest non-js html rendering, followed by a big step down to Firefox (which I use because noscript is amazing and I don't like the Opera or IE9 UIs), then Chrome (my backup, but too slow to use more than a couple times a week without cringing), then Safari.
"I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
yeah, they were on to a good thing with the ie 6 to 7 release cycle
This is a joke. I am joking. Joke joke joke.
I'm not much of a designer so I can't speak for the CSS compatability first hand, but my designer co-worker assures me that there are some parts of the CSS spec that IE 9 still doesn't do that he would love to use. (Something about border images) but it seems like most of the CSS spec is implemented in some form or another.
Off the top of my head the border-radius and background gradient support comes to mind. IE9 is superior to the previous versions as far as CSS support is concerned. However, when using a radius + a gradient, the gradient overrides the radius property which makes the div look boxy. There are a few dirty tricks to emulate it but it's still a hack. For a more hands on example which you can see how things vary subtly from one browser to another, take a look at the Layerstyles.org builder. I'm not affiliated with them, it's simply a neat interactive toy.
I like the direction things are going and browser support for "new" technologies grows daily which enables designers to do more. CSS3 is fun stuff and it's great how it degrades gracefully but it's still not something you can depend on, yet.
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
"It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, walking on hot coals and being eaten alive by a Burmese Python of unusual size ... just."
"But it's a whole heckuva lot better than running Firefox 5!"
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
IE9 does finally support border-radius, but I know it doesn't support text-shadow.
Here's a comparison between IE versions:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024(v=vs.85).aspx
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how well new versions of IE support new standards. The masses won't be using it until they buy a new computer that already has the latest version pre-installed. Most of them are too terrified of breaking their computer to proceed with the upgrade they're prompted with through Windows Update.
At the very bottom of this page it mentions fantastic news: the removal of the 31 style sheets limit!
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous...
IE9 does finally support border-radius, but I know it doesn't support text-shadow.
Sorry if my wording is confusing but my post mentions supporting border-radius AND a background gradient. I thought this was clear in my second sentence:
However, when using a radius + a gradient, the gradient overrides the radius property which makes the div look boxy
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how well new versions of IE support new standards. The masses won't be using it until they buy a new computer that already has the latest version pre-installed. Most of them are too terrified of breaking their computer to proceed with the upgrade they're prompted with through Windows Update.
True! The faster we can get away from IE6(7,8) requirements the better. I think many of these people aren't using Windows Update on dubious installs anyway so it's moot, right? On the bright side we're in a better place than one year ago as far as CSS3 support is concerned across the board. This is a good thing!
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
Okay... is there anything wrong with the 32bit version? Nobody is forced to use 64-bit IE9 that I'm aware of.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
I think IE9 finally supports DOM level 2, before I think the DOM was mostly unchanged since the outdated IE5.
It's about track records, really
Because a problem noted now with IE9, seeing how IE6 quirks still pop up and MS tends to not fix certain things... reminds us of how Mozilla's version breakage problem didn't matter to ANY of you while I was mentioning it just 9 months ago. So, when suddenly we're jumping major versions like a tsunami's behind us, the breakage is finally evident to the less-attentive.
And then, there's the problem of you people who will be getting computers with IE9 by default, soon as Windows 8 launches. Couple that with the FACT that you just cannot find new Windows PC's under 4GB any more, forcing a 64 bit OS on him, and me, and you... might not be such a good idea all of a sudden. But you can bet your Geek Badge (tm) that 99% of users will NOT be downloading IE9 32bits, by lazyness or unawareness that 32bits solves the problem, or just plain Joe User ignorance.
Uhhhh...you don't actually USE a Windows OS, do you MR AC? On the x64 versions you get BOTH the 32bit and 64bit IE, you don't have to download anything at all. Just pick which IE (which are clearly labeled 32bit and 64bit) and away you go.
That said here in the shop I've found that old joke becomes more true every day...IE is what you use to download a better browser. Up until recently that better browser was Firefox but after their version jumping killing plugins mess I've been switching my customers to Dragon and I've noticed more and more folks coming in off the street have Chrome set as default.
So while I wish the IE guys luck (ANYTHING is better than IE 6) with the exception of locked down business boxes I frankly just don't see IE users anymore, and the businesses have an old version of IE (thankfully not 6, most I see are on 7) and will stay on it until the last possible second because of the PITA that is testing. So good luck IE guys, you're gonna need it.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I use firefox 7.0a1 and it works great so what exactly is your problem with the old firefox 5 ?
Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
Old firefox 5? I just update to firefox 5 about three days. ,firefox 100 or firefox 10000000.Yeah,that's a big number and someone like it.
firefox 7.0a1? Cool! I'm out.Why not firefox 10
I used IE9 and found it pretty decent and fast. I tried the sharp stick in my eye and found that to be significantly worse.
the FACT that you just cannot find new Windows PC's under 4GB any more, forcing a 64 bit OS on him, and me, and you...
A 64bit OS is not being forced on anyone. I bought a new PC which came with 4GB of RAM. However, for legacy reasons I needed a 32bit OS rather than a 64bit one (long story, not relevant here). All I did was ask the shop to supply and install the 32bit version of Win7 instead of the 64bit version. Job done.
Which ones still don't work.
HTML Validator. Well, you can download it from a shady site, but addons.mozilla.org doesn't even have the FF4 version yet!
Old firefox 5? I just update to firefox 5 about three days.
What! That's more than 72 hours ago! Are you crazy to still use a browser that old?
Notice that in the blog post Microsoft is committing to 10 years of support for IE10. Big jab at Mozilla for sure, but that's exactly what's going to keep IE in the enterprise.
Calm down. 64 bit Windows still downloads and runs 32 bit IE, by default.
If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
Microsoft lost this round of the browser war, probably for good. Now if only someone could beat them in the office suite war. As much as I don't like IE, even IE6 isn't as bad as using Office.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
the old part was a joke .... I am not good at humour it seems
Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
Or firefox googol!
Every end has half a stick.
When Windows 8 ships, it'll ship with IE10 not IE9.
IE 9 is a good browser. IE10 will surely be a better browser.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't