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Airplanes Cause Accidental Cloud Seeding
An anonymous reader writes "A new study by a team of U.S. researchers found that commercial and private jetliners may be contributing to a form of accidental cloud seeding. When an airplane flies through a cloud, its propellers cause the expansion and cooling of the air behind them which can cause water droplets to spontaneously cool and crystals to form. The aircraft sets off a chain reaction in the cloud that can continue on for hours after the plane has passed by. The researchers also discovered that this phenomenon is more common near the poles, where many of Earth's weather monitoring systems are, and it could be skewing data that research teams are gathering in those areas."
Now you're into the time slip...
Meteorologists have known about this for some time. They tend to form what is known as "Hole Punch" clouds.
Examples: http://bit.ly/lAxNQO
If our elected representatives no longer represent us, do we still live in a Democracy?
I mean seriously, this has been known for decades. There was even a study that looked at the 9-11 shutdown of air-traffic affected climate.
This has been known for a long time.
Next week when we come by for Slash Dot Mystery Time, can we talk about how steam valves and clock gears work?
That would also be a slide in the ice-house.
Please quit wasting our tax money, seriously the people who did this study should have their funding removed as all they have done is have a "no shit mr 1934" moment over technology that is darn near extinct
Jetliners do not have propellers. ;)
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Before the 2010 airplane crash that killed Polish president several top generals and tens of top politician, a mystery fog appeared. Could the fog be intentionally formed the Russian airplane that was flying around that place earlier?
Contrails are real. Jet exhaust contains chemicals. Those chemicals are pollutants. They can cause respiratory problems and maybe birth defects. But they can't cause mind control, other than the ability to twist some people into a knot when their brain power meets their ignorance in a paranoid delusion and motivates them to make fools of themselves and enemies of everyone sane.
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surely someone out there will be using this as more "proof"
"commercial and private jetliners" "When an airplane flies through a cloud, its propellers"
The number of jetliners with "propellers" is mighty fucking few, though not zero.
Linking to the PARENT Science Daily piece
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110630142835.htm
instead of the pointless Inhabitat bullshit summary would have been nice. There is NO excuse for the Inhabitat link other than SPAM.
AC is anonymous because he/she/it wants page hits for Inhabitat.
Now I know not to visit Inhabitat again. Fuck you too and thanks for nothing.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110630142835.htm
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weather its real or not.... its not only real but mentioned in weather modification and other paperwork from the US government.
I agree that whether modification its real weather people agree with it or not.
Could we possibly not appropriate these results into the militant anti-human greeny litany and then beat ourselves over the head with it? It's such a drag.
This is a human planet. For whatever reason the universe permitted the emergence of a species of engineers. Barring our extinction the planet will never again approach 'natural.' From radioisotope traces to atmospheric disruption the effect of our existence can not be prevented, removed or even hidden.
Contemporary Western culture is presently indulging a crippling self-loathing as it attempts to come to terms with this reality. Yurts aren't an option. Stop polluting your mind with that nonsense.
Fortunately cultures evolve, sometimes rapidly. A day will come when we cease to relegate all analysis of new knowledge of our world and everything in it exclusively to anti-humanists.
Or it was just a fog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog#Characteristics
Fog forms when the difference between temperature and dew point is generally less than 2.5 C or 4 F
"Fog can form suddenly, and can dissipate just as rapidly, depending what side of the dew point the temperature is on. This phenomenon is known as flash fog."
I remember reading this at a popular news site over a year ago. Where could it have been? Oh, wait, here it is! http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/06/15/2020240/Airplanes-Unexpectedly-Modify-Weather
Meteorologists have known about this for some time.
The common term for it is "contrails."
Yes, it's well known that contrails sometimes to grow into cloud cover. (High altitude thin clouds, not puffy cumulus ones). This is not news.
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Chemtrails = bullshit. Abject, horrific bullshit, spread by idiots who don't have a fucking clue about meteorology, basic physics, and more importantly that a few documents mentioning cloud seeding do not instantly mean that even one single witnessed contrail is anything other than a contrail. Critical thinking - it works, bitches.
...of this? I used to wonder about this as a kid at least 15-ish years ago. Even without the stuff about propellers and pressure and such, it seemed obvious that a plane flying through a cloud would set off a reaction from the larger water drops formed from the condensation buildup on the body of it. Said larger drops fall off and through the cloud further causing a reaction.
Of course I never studied it or took it further, so it is quite possible I am wrong, but the point stands that I thought of it long ago, why is it only news now? Surely I am not the only one to think of it?
Just saying saying that some can say the plane cloud seeding spawned a tornado that killed some one / damaged your car / house / other stuff.
This almost sounds like a lead in for "scientific excuses" for chemtrails.
Oh, look, its the turbo-props causing the lasting contrail, those jets are not equipped with special sprayers at all.
How amazed would you be to suddenly find that you just forgot what I wrote and you needed to reread my post.... again.
Abject, horrific bullshit, spread by idiots who don't have a fucking clue about meteorology, basic physics, and more importantly that a few documents mentioning cloud seeding do not instantly mean that even one single witnessed contrail is anything other than a contrail.
Snicker snort. I bet you're attacking the non-arguments from the fringe of the fringe. It's a long jump from reality, where the military continually talks about ongoing plans and goals to "own the weather" with new papers published talking about how it can be done regularly, to "a few documents mentioning cloud seeding". I'm sure you think this is totally normal for example.
Critical thinking - it works, bitches.
though not for you.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Yeah, those private jets over the poles, why DO THEY DO IT??? Stop private planes flying over the poles. All zero of them.
And as others have mentioned, yeah "propellers" on the "jetliners". LOL! Sure.
I would rather blame rich guys with long noses who were originally made of wood.
Sure, it's Pinnochio. Just as real.
Looks like Slashdot let another potsmoker start a thread.
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Oddly enough I made this time lapse with my phone the other day, see jet fly through on the left. http://youtu.be/2VBx1RHFM3c
The question i always have, and never get the answer to, when I see articles about these "studies" is: explain droughts in California over the past 30 years. California has a whole lot of air traffic all over the state and yet it goes multiple years on end with very little rain. If this happens so consistently to conclude there's a correlation why does California have droughts...like ever...?
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Mystery? What exactly was mysterious about it? Are all fogs mystery fogs?
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are you seriously supporting chemtrail bullshit?
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Yes, aircraft changing course is totally normal. Heck, large circles are even perfectly normal. Can you provide evidence as to how they are not normal? That's how critical thinking works. Apparently you don't understand that, which is why you believe this bullshit.
This is actually not about contrails, but quite the opposite. A contrail is a cloud created by the passage of an airplane (due to the vapor from the engine or simply the dynamic effect of stirring up oversaturated air). This study is about airplanes flying through clouds and causing those clouds to start raining. In a way, they are erasing clouds ("punching holes" in them)
We run up into the sky so deep, it be crying. Yeah, you thought that was rain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU7VTJA0dNo
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
Can you provide evidence as to how they are not normal?
Aircraft don't normally change direction over my house, and they double-extra don't normally come into the region from multiple different directions and then change direction as you can clearly see in-frame. After this picture was taken the trails spread out to cover the sky from horizon to horizon, even when I stand on the rise on my property from which I have a fairly amazing view.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
FTFA "When an airplane flies through a cloud, its propellers cause the expansion and cooling of the air behind them which can cause water droplets to spontaneously cool and crystals to form." However the picture shows a jet aircraft which if very different from a plane that has a standard propeller on the front. If the study took into account the differences between the two types of aircraft I'm reasonably sure that the effect would be different. Ergo there is a significant difference between a standard prop an a jet engine and the author of the article should have noted that. And will these scientists stop "rediscovering" that which has been known for years.
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interesting. noctilucent clouds have also been on the rise during the period of modern aircraft, and are also seen primarily towards polar latitudes.
So basically you don't have evidence, you just have your opinion of what's normal and what isn't, all of which is based on your own personal experience and nothing more.
Planes change course for many different reasons. Engine difficulty, being re-routed, problems on board, weather patterns changing, or even military action, just to name a few. You have to show how none of those was responsible for the change in course of the plane that caused that contrail, before you can start attributing weird and exotic explanations for an otherwise mundane phenomenon.
Trails can linger for hours/days, and spread vast distances, simply due to the nature of what a contrail is. Heck, it's even covered in the article.
So, to sum up:
You don't know about planes or contrails, so therefore they must be some massive, ridiculously complicated and even more ridiculously pointless conspiracy that there is no evidence of.
Idiot.
I'm in the habit of inspecting the URL shown in the status bar before clicking on a hyperlink. Do you have any particular reason to hide this useful information?
Contrails, which are extensive over some states such as Oregon where they can spread to cover the sky all day, decrease crop yields, because crop yields respond to the amount of solar energy received. You can see the response of crop yields to solar energy if you plant you garden against shade: in the shaded garden you will see noticeably less growth and productivity. Aviation does reduce farm productivity as a result.
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lazyreader says:
Would that be so much of a problem in drought prone areas?
Which is a perfectly good question, but begs the follow-up question of "what about the marginal or drought-prone areas downwind of your seeded area, where your seeding accidentally or deliberately wrings the water out of the clouds, so these areas get tipped into full-blown drought?"
I'm also somewhat minded of the climate research done in mid-September 2011, which showed that the US is probably cooled by around 1deg C (1 K) by it's normal shroud of contrails. (Travis, D.J.; A. Carleton and R.G. Lauritsen (8 2002). "Contrails reduce daily temperature range". Nature 418 (6898): 601. doi:10.1038/418601a. PMID 12167846.)
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"The cloud mystery" and "global dimming" paint a good picture of whats going on.
besides these pictures I took https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.169900799714796.30084.100000846306529 I then drove home from work where still watching planes in the sky saw two planes one off in the distance to my left flying west and one to my right at a distance flying south. Both started dumping at the same time. two of the picture I took show both contrail and chemtrails, where even one picture shows a chemtrail going south and a con trail paralleling it. The comments on those photos tells me that they started dumping on the east coast that morning and by afternoon they were passing over Atlanta. I was skeptical of chemtrails... until that day and have since noticed that when ever chemtrails are done clouds develop from the chemtrails and rain follow. Cloud seeding is nothing new but Vitamin D deficiency is becoming more wide spread as these chemtrails are causing a sun blocking effect. We get Vitamin D from the Sun. Now if this were contrail seeding of clouds then the Vitamin D issue would not be. But given the chemicals being dumped, there is intent to block the suns rays. Global warming may be a bunch of hot air but solar storms are happening now and will get worse and.this is information even NASA has been releasing. Aluminum oxide is not only able to reflect some sun rays but also is a good conductor of electricity and as some will say, there has been some strange weather and some serious lightening. Add in pole shifting (the sun recently happened and earth going through it...) I've been on slashdot for years and I'm fully aware of the erroneous bias which is so often expressed via scores and comments. So I'm not at all surprised.
Thanks for proving my point. You clearly don't understand how contrails are formed. You are ignorant, but you somehow can't see it. You fucking idiot.