Italian Anonymous Hacker Cell Arrested

jojo_it writes "Three hackers, part of Anonymous Hacker Group, have been identified and arrested after an Italian-Swiss investigation. The cell performed several attacks against Italian government websites and 'relevant Italian companies.'"

Comments

It's been said before

[SeeSp0tRun]

Once caught, you are no longer in Anonymous.
Identified =/= Anonymous

Re:It's been said before

[MrEricSir]

In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name. His name is Robert Paulson.

Re:It's been said before

[Anonymous Coward]

Mathematically, would make more sense

And now you know why we don't use that: Slashdot, despite serving pages encoded in UTF-8, still somehow manages to screw up non-ASCII characters.

Re:It's been said before

[Aladrin]

It's the best representation of a slashed equals sign that you can write in ASCII. It makes perfect sense.

Re:It's been said before

[TheCarp]

Unless you are familiar with C, or any of its derivative languages, all of which chose !=

Meaning that != is already pretty widely understood, and uses one less char, making it 33% better!

Re:It's been said before

[smelch]

No, it's just a much easier way to express "not equal to". =/= looks much more ridiculous than !=. Sure, it's a C thing, but you see the not operator (!) in tags here all the time, people know what it means. It has nothing to do with being a developer and everything to do with being widely understood, concise, and not looking like ASCII art. Add to it the fact that the original thought was a complete waste of space, and that just makes it worse. Really?! Anonymous as a literal word means you haven't been identified?! We're all fucking shocked. The poster even knew it had been beaten to death that's why they said "it's been said before". I don't blame the GP for pointing out the dumb practice of using three characters to visually mimic what two characters means to express a useless thought.

Re:It's been said before

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm Spartacus!

Re:It's been said before

[formfeed]

Oh, you are very funny, interesting, and insightful at the same time! Too bad, you're a Coward and part of Anonymous.

Re:It's been said before

[D'Sphitz]

Unless you are familiar with C, or any of its derivative languages, all of which chose !=

Meaning that != is already pretty widely understood, and uses one less char, making it 33% better!

Yes, but the ! and + keys are on opposite ends of the keyboard, if we were going for maximum efficiency we could use <> , which can be typed with one fluid motion .

Re:It's been said before

[LordLimecat]

It has to do with the fact that the glyph that is closely approximated by =/= was taught in 4th grade math class to mean "not equal to", and "!=" only became an alternative (for me) in my junior or senior level classes where I began programming in C++. Im not even sure if != is the same as "not equals" on TI-BASIC, the programming language that I first learned.

In other words, =/= has a lot more history (at least for me) as being the not-equals, and I suspect the same is true for most people. Further, as a majority of the population never will see or understand C++ code, it seems silly to use an expression that is less natural to me, harder to see, and less understandable to the public, simply because some programmers on slashdot insist that language should be communicated in programming conventions rather than mathematical ones.

Re:It's been said before

[Frnknstn]

You do not understand how typing works. The fastest speeds are achieved when the letters alternate between hands.

Re:It's been said before

[TheCarp]

It is? I have never seen =/= before this very discussion, and had no clue what it meant until it was explained. It just didn't make sense how you would divide equality. I am quite skeptical of =/= being more widely understood.\

On the other hand, I have seen != in many discussions, though, still not very common. Most of the time its "not equals" or "is not"

Re:It's been said before

[matazar]

I disagree.
This is the first I've seen =/= and I've always used !=.

Re:It's been said before

[GameboyRMH]

Ten bucks says they arrested more innocent people who ran an IRC server or something.

Re:It's been said before

[DRJlaw]

Ten bucks says they arrested more innocent people who ran an IRC server or something.

Accessories to crimes are not innocent people.

Re:It's been said before

[Velex]

Well played, sir. Wish I had mod points!

Re:It's been said before

[GameboyRMH]

So if some bikers meet in a bar and discuss how they're going to kill someone, and then they go and do it, the owners and managers of the bar are guilty?

Re:It's been said before

[ewanm89]

Mathematicians tend to use =/= as it looks more like the math symbol, while programmers tend to use != from C, as it more natural, easier to type, and makes sense. Of course, we could use the unicode symbol 2260, if /. would just display unicode properly.

Re:It's been said before

[Forty Two Tenfold]

=^.^=



padding for teh fcuking filter

"Hacker Cell"

[Anonymous Coward]

As in an implied terrorist cell

Anonymous is just a bunch kids who hang out on IRC and exercise their social conscious in a slightly unconventional manner. The only reason anybody in a position of authority gives a fuck is because they seem to be rather good at highlighting how much the status quo consists of governments indentured to abusive corporate interests.

So I'm guessing protest hacking is now a terrorism on a par with suicide bombers.

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[tunapez]

So I'm guessing protest hacking is now a terrorism on a par with suicide bombers.

Don't you see???? These evil-doers are much more terrifying! They did not cost the Mega Corps mere human lives, they inflicted the most vile, immoral crime of all: LOSSES$$$$$

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[carpenoctem63141]

Now watch where many waves meet and get extra-high for a short time-span.

I think Afroman did a song about this. Anyway, it seems you're the one who needs a bit of a reality check. Supposedly the people in the article acted as a group of 3 people. Since you claim anybody can act under the name of Anonymous, bam, there exists a grouping within Anonymous.

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[Charliemopps]

I find it hilarious that we basically said the same thing and I got modded "troll" lol

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[smelch]

Dude.... how are you 100% positive none of these people frequently work with each other? It seems pretty bizarre of you to be faced with an article about how these three guys frequently worked together under the Anonymous name and you are insisting there is no grouping. Groupings don't have to be permanent, but you're in an article about three people who were caught working together under the name of anonymous telling me that I have a rotten brain because I don't see that none of them ever work together as a group? What the fuck, your point of view isn't even verifiable in any manner. They're anonymous, how can you know some of them don't work together frequently? You can't, so don't spew this shit at me, that I'm the one who is retarded. You're the one spouting off unverifiable bullshit that you can't know as fact, I'm the one looking at facts and commenting on them. I'm the one who is mentally ill?

Your attitude is exactly what pisses me off about any discussion involving Anonymous. I'm not saying they're one monolithic, top-down organization with secret decoder rings that you can send away for when you've collected 5 Guy Fawkes masks. To deny any grouping or association at all is fucking retarded in the face of proof from multiple countries of multiple people working together in the name of Anonymous. Your logic is flawed, your assertions have no backing (and by their very nature can't be proved, but can be disproved as they have been [which you ignore while accusing others of ignoring your proof by assertion]), and you sit there covering your fucking ears like a little baby, screaming at the top of your lungs trying so hard to be heard that you've long since stopped listening.

And the worst part is instead of concluding you were wrong and there are sub-groupings under the banner of Anonymous that can be taken out (especially the vocal ones that harp on a subject repeatedly) you and others like you will conclude that since there are no sub-groupings this must be false arrest. Sure, you can't defeat Anonymous any more than you can defeat "Hippies", it doesn't work that way. That doesn't mean you can't track clusters of them that commonly associate. And when you find a cluster, what should we call them? Three members of anonymous with ties to each other that are not a cell, cluster, group, clique, platoon, commune, council, panel, herd, flock, pride, or blessing [of Unicorns]?

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[Ginger Unicorn]

People don't need to know who you are to give you attention, anonymous attention is like being sucked off through a glory hole.

Re:"Hacker Cell"

[ewanm89]

A cell suggests a particular network command structure that anonymous just doesn't use. Terrorists use it because 1) they tend to need a team of several agents, 2) if an agent is caught, they can only give information about other agents in their cell, and maybe the controller. Anonymous needs no such structure, of course subgroups can form and disband at will. But Anonymous literally just make a post for some kind of action in a public place, and anyone who wants to carry out the action can. There is no single leader (anyone can make a post for action), no command heirachry (everyone is allowed free choice about carrying out action) and no permanent set of members.

he wasn't that anonymous

[Verunks]

his nickname was his last name "Frey"

There's a seriously stupid thing there

[erroneus]

Once again, I always thought it was too obvious to even talk about it because I presumed Anonymous participants (I hesitate to say "member") were smart enough not to hack on things within their own country. So like, if you were in the US, don't go hacking on US servers... (additionally, don't hack from a country with an extradition treaty.) So Italians were caught hacking on Italian servers... brilliant. I never thought anyone would be that stupid.

Re:There's a seriously stupid thing there

[jellomizer]

Interpol?

Re:There's a seriously stupid thing there

[Dinghy]

Having worked in customer service I can say that every time someone says "I never thought anyone would be that stupid," someone will prove you wrong.

Re:Cell?

[Anonymous Coward]

Cell as in cell. The word can stand on its own and not mean terrorist cell.

Look it up.

< is an HTML special character

[tepples]

Under Slashdot's HTML comment system, it's a lot easier to type != than to type &lt;&gt;.

Re:Wow.

[dc29A]

1. Police notice suspect activities from a number of wi-fi connections in (insert area name here) owned by computer illiterate people.
2. Police start their own 'open' wi-fi connections in this area.
3. Police start videotaping people who come around this area and gather information about the people they notice coming to wi-fi connection.
4. They realize one is pretty good with computers.
5. They get a warrant and surprise this hacker at 5AM in his mother's basement.
6. Hacker has no time to destroy evidence form his machines and it's caught.
7. ????
8. Hacker gets his ass pounded after he becomes Big John's bitch in prison.

Re:Wow.

[bberens]

Not computer illiterate. Just lazy.

Re:chi se be frega

[empty mind]

Un articolo preso da Repubblica T.T

Re:Wow.

[Anonymous Coward]

8. Hacker gets his ass pounded after he becomes Big John's bitch in prison.

Don't fool yourself. Computer nerds don't get laid, not even in prison.

Re:Mainstream media bullshit...

[empty mind]

Please mod parent up. They are depicting anonymous as a criminal/terroristic organization with a central control (they use words like "boss" and "hacker cell"). Mainstream media simply don't get it. As parent said, there's a more important thing happening here. AgCom, the italian autority guarantor of the telecommunications, will soon have the power to "black out" websites suspected of hosting copyrighted material without a trial. So they will be able to bypass the legal system and a lot of people here believe they'll use their power to censor websites... You know, TPB here has been blocked for some years now. They blocked the access to Btjunkie citing the economical damage made to Dahlia TV because of the transmission of football matches. Needless to say, Btjunkie is just a torrent search engine. Only some journals are talking about this and have organized an event to be transmitted over the internet in streaming.

Re:Cell?

[empty mind]

I'm italian and from what I read from many sources it's used as in terrorist cell.

Re:Wow.

[jellomizer]

If your group did something to really annoy a government, and said government really wants to get you, chances are you will get caught. It may not be IT related you brag about it to your friends, they may mention that they know said person who did this, the trick is to find the 5 degrees of separation which the path will bring you to the person.

Re:Wow.

[DurendalMac]

Are you kidding? Scrawny, pasty fresh meat? They'll get passed around like currency and get out with a pair of knockers tattooed on their backs.

A hacker "cell"

[ub3r n3u7r4l1st]

So when bin Laden is gone, the authorities are equating script kiddies with terrorist, and refer to their hideout as their "cell".

Re:A hacker "cell"

[krizoitz]

Um, no, "cell" refers to a group of people not their physical location. And whether or not they are 'script kiddies" they have been engaging in serious illegal activity in multiple countries affecting the privacy of thousands if not millions of people, so yeah I think the authorities are justified in treating them as significant and referring to them as such.

Re:A hacker "cell"

[exomondo]

So when bin Laden is gone, the authorities are equating script kiddies with terrorist, and refer to their hideout as their "cell".

You aren't aware words have multiple meanings? In this instance 'cell' is used in the same way it is used to describe 'terrorist cells', as a a small group acting as a unit...nowhere did i see anyone referring to the 'hideout' of such people as a 'cell' so i'm not sure where you're getting that from.

Re:A hacker "cell"

[krizoitz]

Right, just a couple kids: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/07/anonymous-vows-revenge-after-15-arrested-in-italy-antisec-hacks-continue.ars

Uh-oh.

[L1B3R4710N]

Looks like "Antisec" is shaking in their boots now that their great leaders (read: Lulzsec) abandoned them.

Internet Room for Criminals

[formfeed]

So if some bikers meet in a bar and discuss how they're going to kill someone, and then they go and do it, the owners and managers of the bar are guilty?

Only if they're running an IRC server!

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....and before one of you idiots marks me as a troll again: </sarcasm>

Re:Cell?

[exomondo]

Cell?

Yes.

As in terrorist cell?

Yes, Cell: a small group acting as a unit.

REALLY?

Yes, really, how hard is it to understand?

Re:Wow.

[ewanm89]

That's what the cantenna with a 1000ft range is for.

the bs as i see it

[KingBenny]

the loose collective has cells and is organized ? these people don't know anything but scapegoats do they ?